A backyard find?

Robin Brownlee
May 22 2009 04:16PM

Aaron Sorochan's name isn't on the tip of anybody's tongue when it comes to the Edmonton Oilers goaltending situation, but it looks from where I sit like he should at least be part of the discussion.

With the pecking order in the Oilers goal crease up in the air and unproven prospects -- or is it suspects? -- Jeff Deslauriers and Devan Dubnyk at the front of the line, as of now, to take over from Dwayne Roloson, Sorochan is sitting right under the noses of Oilers management.

The homegrown stopper, a two-time CIS all-star who backstopped the Alberta Golden Bears to two national titles, has finished his studies at the University of Alberta and is looking for a place to play.

Besides, it's not like the Oilers don't know about the 25-year-old Sorochan -- they invited him to camp a few years ago and even signed him to an amateur tryout contract in December 2007 to back up Mathieu Garon against New Jersey after Roloson was shelved by the flu.

So, with no Vezina Trophy candidates in the organizational fold, wouldn't it make sense for the Oilers to take a second look and maybe invite Sorochan to training camp this fall?

I think it would.

Late bloomer

Sorochan is the epitome of a late-bloomer.

While it might be a stretch to compare Sorochan straight-up to Tim Thomas of the Boston Bruins -- Thomas was a ninth-round selection of Quebec in 1994 and rattled around the pros for more than a decade before grabbing the starting job in Beantown -- there are similarities.

Sorochan wasn't even drafted after three lousy seasons in the WHL with the Prince Albert Raiders.

In 2000-01 with Prince Albert, he was 4-12-0 with a swollen 5.26 goals-against average and .870 saves percentage. In 2001-02, he was 12-20-1 with a 4.50 and .875. In this third season with Prince Albert, 2002-03, Sorochan was 15-27-2 with 3.64 and .877. Thanks for coming.

By the time Sorochan got it together with the Vancouver Giants in 2003-04, going 23-14-7 with a 2.37 GAA and .919 saves percentage, and Lethbridge in 2004-05, posting a 35-19-8 record with a 2.19 and .917, it was Alberta, not a line-up of NHL teams, who showed the most interest.

Now's the time

Suffice to say, Sorochan blossomed with the Bears. After four years at Alberta, a tenure including CIS rookie of the year honors, the two all-star selections and two national titles, Sorochan is ready to move on.

Sorochan finished the 2008-09 CIS season with a 23-6-0 record, a 2.03 GAA and a .922 save percentage. He led the CIS in GAA and save percentage and finished his career at Alberta with a record of 97-27-2 in 130 games. What's not to like?

Obviously, GM Steve Tambellini has more pressing matters on his plate than adding Sorochan to his goaltending mix -- I wonder if fired Calgary hard case Mike Keenan gets a job interview? -- but it's worth contemplating.

Now, having tried to find out what's up with the coaching situation, I know nobody is talking. Fine. But, with a potential gem like Sorochan sitting in the shadows of Rexall Place and looking for a gig, here's hoping somebody with a say in the training camp roster is listening.

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#1 BigE57
May 22 2009, 04:36PM
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He's absolutely worth an invite to training camp and possibly a spot in the minors. Some of the best goalies seem to come out of nowhere and the Oilers are more than due to find a diamond in the rough.

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#2 Zdeno Ciger
May 22 2009, 05:09PM
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Regarding Keenan, no thanks. I don't think he'd be a good fit for a young, fragile team like the Oilers.

It does heat up the discussions as to where Brent Sutter will end up though....

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#3 Librarian Mike
May 22 2009, 05:35PM
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Considering how many people think that Swedish dude (sorry, I can't remember his name and can't be bothered to look it up) would be an immediate star here based on a Youtube video, I don't see the harm in having a look at Sorochan. It's not like he's taking a spot from a blue chip prospect.

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#4 Robin Brownlee
May 22 2009, 06:03PM
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@ Librarian Mike: There's nothing to lose. The thing is, I'm not so sure Sorochan isn't further along in terms of development than Dubnyk is right now. At worst, I see Sorochan as somebody who could step in and play at the AHL level right now. At best . . ?

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#5 Illya Biakin
May 22 2009, 06:09PM
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As long as Roli is not back, the Oilers will be better off, hell Markkenan will be better in the dressing room.Just let Roli walk.

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#6 RBK
May 22 2009, 06:10PM
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Good article Robin. It's nice to read your take on minor league players. Feature them more often!!

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#7 oilerzz
May 22 2009, 06:43PM
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Keenan to Edmonton and Mac T to Calgary ... now that would be breaking news !!

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#8 Illya Biakin
May 22 2009, 06:45PM
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oilerzz wrote:

Keenan to Edmonton and Mac T to Calgary … now that would be breaking news !!

The Flames are a team that MacT can coach, his type of team, grit with no skill, that includes Iginla.

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#9 BigE57
May 22 2009, 07:12PM
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Illya Biakin wrote:

As long as Roli is not back, the Oilers will be better off, hell Markkenan will be better in the dressing room. Just let Roli walk.

Really? The guy carries the load and you want Jussi Markennen back. In case you haven't noticed there aren't many big name goaltenders on the market.

Roloson has proven himself more than adequate as a starter. If Roloson is brought back to play 60% of the games and help develop JD than the Oilers will be doing themselves a favour and saving themselves some money.

And frankly, I don't really care if my goalie is good in the dressing room as long as he isn't a detriment.

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#10 MattL
May 22 2009, 08:42PM
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oilerzz wrote:

Keenan to Edmonton and Mac T to Calgary … now that would be breaking news !!

I know from someone who spoke with Sutter back in the winter of 2006 when it looked like MacT and KLowe were on their last legs, Sutter thinks very highly of Craig MacTavish. If his other brother Darryl (Brent) doesn't already have the job, I bet MacT gets a look at least.

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#11 Racki
May 23 2009, 12:03AM
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Nothing wrong with giving him a tryout, but I wouldn't get too excited about a guy who performs well in the CIS. But hey, no harm in a tryout.

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#12 Colin
May 23 2009, 12:06AM
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The Kid is worth a look for sure, I don't see why you wouldn't give him a try out. If nothing else he and Dubynk can rotate duties in the AHL.

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#13 BigE57
May 23 2009, 08:01AM
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@ MattL: Remember the good old days when MacT was pulling the tongue out of Harvey the Hound, think they would be able to work together??????????

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#14 MattL
May 23 2009, 08:37AM
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@ BigE57:

Sure, but he'd probably move Harvey to the wing.

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#15 cm
May 23 2009, 09:35AM
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@ MattL:

I hope MacT doesn't go to calgary he would be the perfect coach for that team...

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#16 Archaeologuy
May 23 2009, 11:15AM
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@ cm: I hope MacT goes to Calgary. We could finally expect to finish ahead of them.

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#17 cm
May 23 2009, 12:53PM
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Were is JW...I'm starting to miss that guy...

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#18 Highwayman
May 23 2009, 01:01PM
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Considering the Oilers had Cam Ward under their noses living in the Park and playing in Red Deer, don't hold your breath they screw this up too.

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#19 Mikey
May 23 2009, 01:37PM
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Invite him to rookie camp and go from there...

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#20 JP
May 23 2009, 02:20PM
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For those not too familiar with Zorro's background.

His three years in PA were when the Raiders were arguabley the worst junior franchise in Canada. Freshly robbed of Scott Hartnell, Sivek, and Milan Kraft who were to replace the graduating players. In his draft year he was ranked by the CSB, the Raiders rode him for the first half of the season and burned him out, then rode his backup the rest of the season.

He got new life in Vancouver, where for the first time in three junior seasons he had a goalie coach. He blossomed in Vancouver only to be bumped by Marek Schwartz in his 20 year old year.

On to Lethbridge where he continued to dominate and as an all star.

Now where NHL managers and scouts complain about the 18 year old draft being too young to get a good read on a player and wanting a 20 year old draft? Well, they still look at the 18 year old year as the measuring stick, no matter what you do as a 19 year old. This is where he fell through the cracks.

Before the U of A the Oilers had him at rookie camp and a rumoured AHL-ECHL deal was on the table which he could take or go to school and honour a commitment to the U of A and Rob Daum... Eric Thurston as it turned out.

In my humble opinion if the depth chart is Roloson, Deslauriers, Dubnyk, and any of the 3 goalies who backed up Dubnyk in Springfield; Aaron is easily #3. In fact he's probably better than JDD not only DD. The Oilers would be wise to ink him.

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#21 Quinn
May 23 2009, 03:01PM
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@ JP: Good background info on him. Thanks.

It looks like he should at least be a training camp tryout, if not given a 2-way contract.

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#22 Robin Brownlee
May 23 2009, 06:57PM
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@ JP: You obviously are very familiar with Sorochan, as am I.

I don't really care that he's from Edmonton. That's a nice angle, but the real thing with him is he's got game. NHL starter game? I don't know. But I'd sure like to see him perform within the pro model (AHL/NHL) for a season and see how he holds up. He can flat out stop pucks.

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#23 Ineptflux
May 23 2009, 07:20PM
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Very much worth the invite. Great read, Brownlee!

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#24 Jason Gregor
May 23 2009, 07:45PM
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JP wrote:

In my humble opinion if the depth chart is Roloson, Deslauriers, Dubnyk, and any of the 3 goalies who backed up Dubnyk in Springfield; Aaron is easily #3. In fact he’s probably better than JDD not only DD. The Oilers would be wise to ink him.

Based on what? Playing well in the CIS is a long way from the NHL... A LONG WAY. He plays for the BEARS who have the advantage of getting first pick at almost all of the best players who haven't been drafted or going to the AHL.

To say he is better than Deslauriers or Dubnyk is more a pick with your heart, because nothing shows he could play in the NHL, which JDD has or be the go to guy in the AHL which to date Dubynk has.

He might pass them with a chance, but today he would not be ahead of either on the depth chart.

The Oilers need to sign Dubnyk, and then another NHL ready goalie, either Roloson or someone else. They already have Pitton under contract, so realistically Sorochan would be battling Pitton for the back up job in Springfield.

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#25 rindog
May 23 2009, 10:00PM
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@ Jason Gregor: Jason Gregor wrote:

The Oilers need to sign Dubnyk, and then another NHL ready goalie

NHL ready....as in Mathieu Garon??

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#26 Jonathan Willis
May 23 2009, 10:11PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Based on what? Playing well in the CIS is a long way from the NHL… A LONG WAY. He plays for the BEARS who have the advantage of getting first pick at almost all of the best players who haven’t been drafted or going to the AHL. To say he is better than Deslauriers or Dubnyk is more a pick with your heart, because nothing shows he could play in the NHL, which JDD has or be the go to guy in the AHL which to date Dubynk has.

Absolutely. For an idea of the difference in difficulty, keep in mind what happened to Harlan Anderson when he got a PTO with Springfield.

This isn't to knock Sorochan, but he's a 25-year old putting up great numbers in CIS. Not too many of those guys go on to have NHL careers, and there's a world of difference between pro and even NCAA play, let alone CIS.

I don't see why anyone would put Sorochan clearly ahead of any of Perugini/Fisher/Pitton (all of whom had very good years in either junior or NCAA). He might be somewhere in there, and in all likelihood he's worth a PTO or a camp invite, but his exact level of ability as a pro remains to be seen.

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#27 rindog
May 23 2009, 10:42PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

I am not sure how we could possibly tell if any of our goalies are ready to play at any level. When a coach and GM create the goaltending situation that they did last year and then further ruin things by getting rid of a capable guy (yes - he did struggle for a a half a dozen games)in order to free up time for JDD (which he never got) how could we know?

I have no idea if Sorocahn is even worth a tryout, but I also have NO idea if any of the goalies we have are capable of winning 15 games next year in the NHL. We have a 40+ guy that looked dreadfully wornout the last 20 games or so. We have a totally unproven rookie that hasn't show anyone anything. And we have another prospect that had an "average at best" year in the AHL.

I am confident (maybe more hopeful than confident) that management will rectify the situation with more then a tryout to a CIS goalie.

If you were GM how would you solve our goaltending issues?

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#28 Bob Stauffer
May 23 2009, 11:09PM
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I can all but guarantee that Sorochan will be invited to the Oilers camp, and be given a legitimate chance to compete for a spot in Springfield. His pedigree is important. Solid 19 year-old season with Vancouver; WHL Eastern Conference All-Star as a 20-year old. It was kind of surprising he didn't get a legit AHL look after that season. He had a strong Oilers camp in the fall of 2005 and compared favorably to Dubnyk and Deslauriers at that time. But the Oilers didn't have their own AHL affiliate, and he didn't want to screw around in the ECHL. Prior to that camp he had committed to Alberta if things didn't work out at Oilers camp. Rob Daum was elated to get him and figured Sorochan was one of his most important recruits ever, except he never would get a chance to coach him, because Daum subsequently would go to Houston. I have probably seen Aaron play 80 times over the last four seasons, he has improved every season and took a major step forward during the 2006-07 season when he began working with Lyle Mast, who does some work with the LA Kings; the same Kings org. that has had sleepers Jonathan Quick and Erik Ersberg exceed expectations. Sorochan is relatively big, had athleticism and could handle the puck-Mast improved his puck-tracking abilities through better head placement. Based upon what I saw last fall at Oilers camp, Sorochan is defintely better than Fisher and Pitton and at least on par with Perugini. Perugini might be better suited to be the starter in the ECHL, with the older Sorochan backing up in the AHL. Throughout the course off the last four seasons personnel from three different NHL orgs. occasionally asked me about Sorochan. Goaltenders often develop late you have to be open-minded as to where you might find them.

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#29 Robin Brownlee
May 23 2009, 11:16PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

This isn’t to knock Sorochan, but he’s a 25-year old putting up great numbers in CIS. Not too many of those guys go on to have NHL careers, and there’s a world of difference between pro and even NCAA play, let alone CIS.

Nice touch, Jon. I'm guessing you don't know the first thing about Sorochan because you've rolled back into the fold and right out of the blocks dismissed Sorochan -- somebody I think (but WTF do I know) might be a find after actually watching him play -- with vague generalities that are a bit misleading.

Yes, Sorochan is 25 now, but he put up the great numbers you talk about in his final two WHL seasons at age 19 and 20 and his numbers in CIS starting as a 21-year-old. He went the smart route and got his degree instead of bailing for a pay cheque in the AHL or ECHL. And what does the lack of success Harlan Anderson had have to do with stopping pucks?

Jason Gregor wrote:

To say he is better than Deslauriers or Dubnyk is more a pick with your heart, because nothing shows he could play in the NHL, which JDD has or be the go to guy in the AHL which to date Dubynk has. He might pass them with a chance, but today he would not be ahead of either on the depth chart.

Exactly. No way Sorochan belongs ahead of JDD or DD at this point. At the same time, I'll be very interested to see what happens if -- I think it's a case of when -- the Oilers toss him in the mix.

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#30 Jonathan Willis
May 23 2009, 11:16PM
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rindog wrote:

If you were GM how would you solve our goaltending issues?

A pair of capable guys. Roloson is one possibility, as are the usual cheap UFA options (Fernandez, Labarbera, etc.) or some of the young talent out there (Harding, Halak, Pavelec, etc.).

I actually like JDD, but unless the Oilers bring in a bonafide starter he shouldn't be on the team; he's not reliable enough to be insurance at this point.

As for the minor-league guys, Dubnyk and Perugini may both be of some help in the future, but neither is ready yet (though Dubnyk's probably not too far off from spot duty).

Just my opinion, of course.

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#31 Bob Stauffer
May 23 2009, 11:19PM
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Regarding Willis. Occasionally browsing this site, mainly because of my respect for Brownlee, I wonder what the hell do you do? Nothing wrong with relying on stats (some of your stuff is compelling), but do you have actual access to know what happens in a given situation? Have you spoken to Buchberger or Anderson to get a guage of how Anderson played in his very short stint in Springfield? Did you see Chorney's numbers this season? My guess is that you are completely reliant on stats, and unfortunately little else, and stats only tell part of the story.

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#32 Jonathan Willis
May 23 2009, 11:23PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Wow, I've missed you Robin. I take it you didn't read all the way to the last paragraph:

"I don’t see why anyone would put Sorochan clearly ahead of any of Perugini/Fisher/Pitton (all of whom had very good years in either junior or NCAA). He might be somewhere in there, and in all likelihood he’s worth a PTO or a camp invite, but his exact level of ability as a pro remains to be seen."

I'm not dismissing him; in fact I agree with you that he's worth a look. I'm just trying to be pragmatic here and pragmatism dictates that a goaltender with his background probably isn't going to be anything special at the NHL level. It's precisely because I'm not in possession of a ton of knowledge on Sorochan that I didn't dismiss him.

But what the hell, see what you want to see.

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#33 Sandra Blood
May 23 2009, 11:24PM
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@ Bob Stauffer: It's about time your back Stauffer, So does Peters get the boot too? I hope so, He really damaged Desjarlais and Garon, who are both butterfly goalies, he did nothing for any Oiler goalie, maybe except Roli. So can you put in a good word for Garon, I think he will be a great Tandem of 41-41 with him and Desjarlais, Bring in Fuhrsy and hell we got a great coaching tandem and they all catch the same way. Plus Garon , who won't play this spring but will have a Stanley Cup ring to his resume, thanks to MacT. You were a Garon supporter, he never got a fair shake, maybe Text Katz and ask him to bring him back.

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#34 Jonathan Willis
May 23 2009, 11:29PM
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@ Bob Stauffer:

This is a hobby for me obviously; I work in the oil patch and I'm not a professional journalist by any stretch.

I use stats to make my arguments generally because I realize that my personal viewings of players probably shouldn't be taken too seriously; after all I'm strictly an amateur so what does my personal opinion based on observation matter?

I'm not sure what you're getting at with Chorney (I saw his numbers, they were bad - as was his play, for that matter, at least in the games I saw him in).

I'm also not sure what you're getting at with Harlan Anderson - he went -7 in 9 AHL games and more importantly just wrapped up a season with the Heilbronn Falcons in a third-tier German league, so I'm not sure I need to ask Kelly Buchburger if he has an NHL future or not.

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#35 Sandra Blood
May 23 2009, 11:32PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: @ Bob Stauffer: UFC 92 , you guys want gloves

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#36 Bob Stauffer
May 23 2009, 11:33PM
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Sandra,

I believed in Garon. Roloson was mentally stronger, and had the belief from MacTavish. And every player will tell you the coach is always right, until he is relieved of his duties. I still think Garon could be okay, he has the natural athleticism but has to improve his mental make-up. Have a nice day.

Bob

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#37 Sandra Blood
May 23 2009, 11:37PM
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Bob Stauffer wrote:

Sandra, I believed in Garon. Roloson was mentally stronger, and had the belief from MacTavish. And every player will tell you the coach is always right, until he is relieved of his duties. I still think Garon could be okay, he has the natural athleticism but has to improve his mental make-up. Have a nice day. Bob

Thanks Bob, You and Brownlee are top notch, We Oiler fans have lots of resepect for you when you speak, we miss your show, maybe you can do some shows this summer, we are starving for Oiler news. What about Peters?

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#38 Bob Stauffer
May 23 2009, 11:46PM
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Jon.

Thank you for clarifying your job status. Again some of your stuff is quite compelling, but as you know there are circumstances beyond the numbers. Anderson had pro opportunities in North America throughout his Bears career. Scott Howson called me the day after the 2005 University Cup final looking to add Anderson and Ben Kilgour for the Roadrunners. Anderson suffered a serious knee injury which saw him miss most of February in 2008. He came back on one leg and captained the Bears to a the 2008 National title, and left a week later to join a moribund FALCONS squad for the final two weeks of the season. He did not even wait for another AHL offer during the that off-season, siging for more money and playing less games in Europe right away. Regarding CIS/NCAA. Overall the depth of NCAA is better than the CIS, but certainly the top CIS programs could give NCAA teams a run. In the last five years I was at Alberta and hosted Total Sports I attempted to get several top NCAA program to Edmonton to play the Bears...they won't come! I was offering $50,000 a game. To put things in perspective the NCAA schools want the Bears to play three games in three nights and only shell out $20,000 total.

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#39 Jonathan Willis
May 23 2009, 11:51PM
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@ Bob Stauffer:

Thanks for that information, Bob. I didn't know about Anderson's knee injury; and obviously that makes a difference. I honestly just grabbed his name as the first example that came to mind of an ex-CIS player not setting the world aflame as a pro.

Brownlee pointed out above that Sorochan did the smart thing and got a degree, and I tend to think that for most guys that's a good idea since the vast majority of prospects aren't going to make a fortune as a pro hockey player. By the same measure, as I'm sure you'd agree, very few first-rate prospects end up going the CIS route in the first place; mostly it seems like the guys who don't get a decent pro offer go that way.

I really don't mean to say that a player can't go from the CIS to the NHL; just that the odds aren't favourable.

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#40 Robin Brownlee
May 23 2009, 11:52PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

But what the hell, see what you want to see

Passing off Sorochan's CIS career as a 25-year-old putting up great numbers IS dismissive, not to mention inaccurate.

And what you call pragmatic, I call generalizing when you don't know squat about a specific individual.

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#41 Sandra Blood
May 23 2009, 11:54PM
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WHats happening with that "monster" from the Swiss league? Oilers still after him?

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#42 Jonathan Willis
May 24 2009, 12:08AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Passing off Sorochan’s CIS career as a 25-year-old putting up great numbers IS dismissive, not to mention inaccurate.

Which bit was inaccurate? Is he not putting up great numbers? Is he not 25 years old? He's both those things - and while he has had a great CIS career, how many CIS goaltenders can you think of who have gone on to NHL success? (Please note: I mean this seriously, not snarkily, because I honestly can't think of any and I'd like to know if I'm wrong on that)

It would be wrong to say "Sorochan won't be an NHL'er, because most goalies who play CIS don't go on to the NHL", but I really don't see how it's wrong to say "Sorochan probably won't be an NHL'er because most goalies who play CIS don't go on to the NHL".

And one further point: I really didn't say anything that disagreed with Jason Gregor's comment above; I said Sorochan belonged somewhere in the Perugini/Pitton/Fisher category of goaltender (i.e. directly below more prized prospects like Dubnyk/JDD). I think quite highly of Perugini and Fisher's just had a very good year, so I don't see how you can accuse me of dismissing him out of hand. But I would guess (and it is just a guess) that your problem is less with my argument than the fact that it's me making it; after all, when Jason said something very similar, you didn't go after him, did you?

It's not a stretch to put a goaltender with great CIS numbers in the same range as successful WHL/ECHL goaltenders; it would be a stretch to put him in with the successful AHL goaltenders at this point. I honestly don't even see what point we're disagreeing on; we have basically the same opinion of where Sorochan would slot in the depth chart.

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#43 Bob Stauffer
May 24 2009, 12:13AM
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I would suggest that given the right backing Sorochan could be a succesful AHL goalie; from there anything can happen...especially with goaltenders. I certainly did not see Quick ahead of Bernier in LA right now.

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#44 Travis Dakin
May 24 2009, 02:02AM
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This thread took a turn down awesome street. A little reminder of why this site is the best. Thanks for the info Bob and you other gentelmen, keep an sassin'.

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#45 Robin Brownlee
May 24 2009, 08:40AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

But I would guess (and it is just a guess) that your problem is less with my argument than the fact that it’s me making it

Just stop.

Again, Sorochan didn't put up great numbers in the CIS as a 25-year-old. He put up great numbers at 21, 22, 23 and 24. Not just one year, and not at 25 -- he hadn't reached his 25th birthday when last season ended. That's what part is inaccurate and that's what part I take issue with. It wasn't a one-off.

And Gregor is right. It makes no sense to say Sorochan belongs ahead of Deslauriers and Dubnyk on the depth charts, as one poster did. That's too optimistic until there's proof otherwise.

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#46 Jay
May 24 2009, 11:23AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

JP wrote: In my humble opinion if the depth chart is Roloson, Deslauriers, Dubnyk, and any of the 3 goalies who backed up Dubnyk in Springfield; Aaron is easily #3. In fact he’s probably better than JDD not only DD. The Oilers would be wise to ink him. Based on what? Playing well in the CIS is a long way from the NHL… A LONG WAY. He plays for the BEARS who have the advantage of getting first pick at almost all of the best players who haven’t been drafted or going to the AHL. To say he is better than Deslauriers or Dubnyk is more a pick with your heart, because nothing shows he could play in the NHL, which JDD has or be the go to guy in the AHL which to date Dubynk has. He might pass them with a chance, but today he would not be ahead of either on the depth chart. The Oilers need to sign Dubnyk, and then another NHL ready goalie, either Roloson or someone else. They already have Pitton under contract, so realistically Sorochan would be battling Pitton for the back up job in Springfield.

My opinion may be biased, but consistent. I've seen Dubnyk, he's a big body with slow movement and unspectacular glove prone to soft goals. Deslauriers has probably peaked, stunted development. And the others? Fisher is awful. Perigruni a good ECHL goalie. And Pitton a AHL back up calibre goalie.

Zorro better? Absolutely. He certainly hasn't been given he breaks others have.

Could he have given up free school for a chance to start in the ECHL? Sure, why? I know it hurts Willis in his statistical evaluation, the trig isn't there so he can't be good theory. (which proves that if you don't have the whole story you shouldn't make an opinion, unless the guy is a 8 teams in 5 year ECHLer then he's a top 50 prospect...)

It's an opinion Jay, don't like it, don't knock it. It's based on the same details you have made yours.

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#47 oldprospector
May 24 2009, 11:26AM
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Gregor - get a clue. Let's point out the obvious - you don't know how a guy is going to play at the next level until he gets a look. About the bears getting every single top end player they want - thats a fallacy. Schools like UNB and others are getting more and more top end players and arguably UNB has been snatching up more than its fair share of elite players in the past 3-4 years than Alberta. Goaltending is different than a forward or defenceman for evaluating talent. The majority of elite CIS players can't make the jump to the AHL or above because they don't have the skating ability. With goaltending this is a non-factor. Sorochan is the best goalie Alberta has had in the last two decades, and as pointed out put up stellar numbers in the WHL. Everyone knows you don't respect CIS hockey but at least give his WHL numbers credit. If you would have watched him play this past season more than a handful of games (if that) you would realize that there was no one close to his ability. He has the lateral movement and ability to see pucks through a screen that lend well to playing at the faster paced AHL level. He is good enough to be a backup in the AHL without question.

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#48 Jonathan Willis
May 24 2009, 11:34AM
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@ Jay: @ oldprospector:

Let's try to remember that Bryan Pitton was a pretty good WHL goaltender (as were Deslauriers and Dubnyk). Until players make the jump to pro, it's impossible to know who is going to sink or swim.

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#49 Jonathan Willis
May 24 2009, 11:35AM
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And by that of course I meant Dubnyk was good WHL goaltender (although Kamloops fans would say "great") and JDD a good goalie in the QMJHL, not the WHL.

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#50 Jay
May 24 2009, 11:47AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And by that of course I meant Dubnyk was good WHL goaltender (although Kamloops fans would say “great”) and JDD a good goalie in the QMJHL, not the WHL.

OHL for Pitton.... Again you're down playing a more legit prospect. He has always had the label of having the ability to steal games he did it here before junior, he did it in Lethbridge and Vancouver, and he did it at the U of A. He's got credible ability. Any one who saw the 2008 final knows that the U of A had no business winning if not for several 5 bell saves he made to keep his team in the game and ahead.

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