PAT QUINN: THE RIGHT MAN

Robin Brownlee
May 26 2009 05:34PM

HOCKEY-WORLD JUNIORS/

People fixated on his birth certificate or his grey hair are already second-guessing the choice of 66-year-old Pat Quinn as the new head coach of the Edmonton Oilers.

Of course, those who call the big Irishman old school and characterize him as some sort of dithering overseer without a grasp of the fineries of Xs and Os and the nuances of strategy in a game that's changed considerably since he broke into the NHL as a lumbering defenceman five decades ago, know not of what they speak. In simple terms, they're so far off, they don't know what they don't know.

Fact is, Quinn is one of the more progressive thinkers in the game. He is a tactician and a teacher, a believer in systems play, of tailoring his philosophy to the talent at his disposal and a consummate team builder. Don't be fooled by the pin-striped suits and cigars.

Quinn began learning his trade under Fred Shero with the Philadelphia Flyers during the 1977-78 season before taking over as the head coach in 1978-79. He's been drawing up game plans and tweaking defensive zone and forechecking systems since. Hell, Quinn was utilizing videotape to break down opponents with the Broad Street Bullies long before Roger Nielsen was dubbed Captain Video.

So, while GM Steve Tambellini doesn't need my stamp of approval, he's got it after unveiling Quinn and Tom Renney as his associate coach at Rexall Place today. Quinn is the right man for the job and the right fit for the Oilers.

Just you watch.

A BOOK BY ITS COVER

Quinn, a two-time Jack Adams Award winner as NHL coach of the year (1979-80 with Philadelphia and 1991-92 with Vancouver) with a career regular season record of 657-481-154-26 in Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Vancouver and Toronto, laughs off the tag he's a throwback and a fossil.

And he should. Anybody who has been around the NHL game awhile knows there are young men who are old thinkers and old men who are young thinkers -- the birth certificate has nothing to do with it. "I feel like I've been ahead of the curve in a lot of approaches," smiles Quinn when asked about his coaching style. "Heck, I was sending people out of the (offensive) zone, we call it the stretch now, in 1979. That's why we went 35 games without a loss (in Philadelphia)."

Off the NHL coaching carousel since 2006, Quinn coached Canada to a gold medal at the 2008 World Junior Championship. Having dealt just fine with a roster full of pimply-faced teenagers, I don't see a generation gap being a problem with the likes of Oilers youngsters Sam Gagner, Andrew Cogliano or Patrick O'Sullivan. At the same time, Quinn will lean on his veterans, but not with no questions asked. He'll do his homework on who's who and what's what when it comes to veterans and the question of leadership before scratching out a pecking order. That, I'm guessing you'll agree, is a good thing.

"I have to do some research on some of the players," Quinn said. "I must admit I haven't watched a lot of them in the past couple of years. I've been concentrating on junior hockey. "I have some learning to do about the individuals with this organization, but I do know there's talent there. The talent did not become a team like everybody had hoped it would.

"Maybe there were too many similar kinds of players. Good teams have a mix, just like we hope we're a good team here at the coaching level with different assets and different ways to make contributions. The players on the ice have to have that same sort of mix."

SORTING IT OUT

From a tactical perspective, Quinn favours a puck-possession game and he'll blend all the offensive talent he can get his hands on with grinders and role players who fit the mix. Quinn's a proponent of having his team play his way and making opponents adjust as opposed to constantly changing things up based on the opposition. He doesn't regularly match lines, opting instead to use a shutdown pairing of defencemen and a maybe a defensive forward. Of course, the former Oil King also likes toughness in his line-up, which is no surprise given how he played.

Quinn, for those who weren't even born at the time, once knocked Bobby Orr so goofy with a wicked hit he almost started a riot:

He and Steve MacIntyre will get along just fine.

"You set up a style of play that is best suited to give the talent you have the opportunity to win," Quinn said. "We will do that. We'll give a system of play that, hopefully, encompasses our look at all of our players. At the end of the day, whatever you have, you still have to win and that's the bottom line. We'll find ways to help these guys become a team."

There's one other thing those who don't really know squat about Quinn don't understand because you can't attach a number to it, and that's his passion for the game. Quinn has as much fire in him to succeed now as he ever has, and that was apparent today.

NO DICE

Of course, some people will sniff the hiring of Quinn signals that the Old Boys Network is alive and well and that the only difference is it's Tambellini's old pals, not Kevin Lowe's, who get the jobs now. What, Tambellini was supposed to make Scott Arniel or Todd Richards the most important hire of his tenure as GM rather than go with somebody he knows, trusts and respects?

Please. That's naïve beyond words.

Call it a safe hire if you like -- I respect the opinion of colleague Jim Matheson immensely and he is leaning that way on the choice of Quinn and Renney -- but I wouldn't be rolling the dice on a promising but unproven newcomer right now, as tempting as it was, given the qualified candidates.

Quinn's the right guy.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#51 BUCK75
May 27 2009, 07:29AM
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Maybe Pat Quinn can get a new deal with Extra Gum & have an Oilers Gum commercial. Sounds good, hopefully a few more moves can be made in the next month & we can get all hyped up for more hockey in October :)

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#52 cm
May 27 2009, 07:37AM
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Perhaps There is no long term plan with the oilers. By my way of thinking everything is centered on short term success ( a couple rounds in the playoffs) over the next 2 years and a new arena deal.

I don't think this team gets serious about building a sustainable championship caliber team until the area deal is out of the way.

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#53 jayoilfan
May 27 2009, 08:07AM
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I am getting tired of the "bad idea" group. Come on, the guy's been on the job less than 24 hrs. Give him a season to see what happenes. And remember, the team will look different come Sept training camp.

I for one think this is a step in the right direction. Two experienced coaches with winning records. BONUS! I am just going to sit back and watch the free agent show this summer. As a fan all I can do it either love or hate the team I cheer for. I choose to love it and embrace the things management is doing. Like I can change anything anyway.

Go Oilers Go!

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#54 Cam
May 27 2009, 08:07AM
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cm wrote:

Perhaps There is no long term plan with the oilers. By my way of thinking everything is centered on short term success ( a couple rounds in the playoffs) over the next 2 years and a new arena deal. I don’t think this team gets serious about building a sustainable championship caliber team until the area deal is out of the way.

I believe Katz and Tambellini would disagree with that philosophy. They are not spending to the cap and trying to get top end free agents to keep up appearances... those boys want a cup.

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#55 Librarian Mike
May 27 2009, 08:24AM
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@ cm:

I do agree in that it's highly unlikely that they're going to come out and say "We're winning the cup next year!" However, I think it's entirely reasonable for this year's goal to be 'make the playoffs and see how far it gets us', and make changes as necessary from that point.

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#56 Archaeologuy
May 27 2009, 08:52AM
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cm wrote:

Perhaps There is no long term plan with the oilers

How long term can it be? in 5 years Gagner and Cogs should be UFAs and most of the Defense should be turned over by then too. Winning now increases the ability for the team to plan long term. I'm sure the Florida Panthers have had a long term plan in place for a while, but they suck so bad that the second anyone can, they get the heck out of there. Plan gone. Meanwhile, a team like Detroit manages to sign their guys long term. They win so people want to play there, as a result they dont have to rush their prospects out of the AHL and they develop better. Long term established. I'm not saying that the Oil should be trading draft picks for 3rd line pluggers, just that the Long Term Plan is directly affected by the Short Term Plan.

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#57 Chris
May 27 2009, 10:28AM
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If I'm MacT: I take the next available coaching job... Why risk looking stupid if Quinn is able to take this group solidly into the post-season.

*I'm not saying this is going to happen...but taking a year off might be a risk...*

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#58 Wanye Gretz
May 27 2009, 10:37AM
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@ Chris:

It was interesting to hear Quinn talk about how he turned down a couple of coaching jobs the year after he left Toronto "thinking more offers would be right around the corner." He sounded genuinely surprised when that wasn't the case. This was the winningest active coach in the NHL when he left the Leafs - and even he wasn't beseiged with offers after one year out of the game.

I would agree that MacT should take a new job fairly quickly. If you don't stay in the public eye, people forget and the phone stops ringing. I could see MacT coaching the World Championships or even the World Juniors in the meantime though.

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#59 scorcoff hemmercules
May 27 2009, 10:46AM
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Unrelated to this topic (I'm liking the new coaches BTW), I keep hearing from the flamers that Brent Sutter will be on the bench in Calgary either this year or next year. Didn't Keenan and Brent Sutter both get hired around the same time two years ago?? If Brent was available back then why didn't Daryl hire him then?? Daryl even said the other day that Brent is a top 3 coach in the league, why didnt he just hire him 2 years ago if he thinks so highly of his abilities??

IMO Brent returns to RedDeer but thats just me.

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#60 Chaz
May 27 2009, 11:02AM
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I think a big positive everyone is missing here (Apologies if it has been mentioned) is that this coaching move, IMO, strengthens our ability to lure Free Agents. Not only do we have 2 experienced and respected Head Coaches behind our bench, but it also shows our owner is serious about winning. A lot of players have played for these guys in the past, and if they're both willing to come to the Northern Hinterland, then I imagine some of their former players will be too.

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#61 scorcoff hemmercules
May 27 2009, 11:03AM
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QUESTION:

How many active NHL coaches have won a stanley cup??

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#62 Jack Newcastle
May 27 2009, 11:08AM
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It seems to me that this is just the medicine this group needs. As one particular radio commentator has stated (time and again), the Oilers are "in transition to a skill team". Well, tah-dah, here's a skill-team coaching tandem.

Is Pat Quinn an eight-year coach a la MacT? Nope.

Quinn is the bridge we need to get to the next phase of the evolution of this team. We want to play the up-tempo, offensive, puck-possession paradigm that is winning game after game in this post-lockout NHL. We have players capable of performing the necessary roles. Now we have the coaching team that can implement the necessary strategy.

Once we cement a winning strategy, we can then find bench personnel who can take the new system and run with it. Maybe even perfect it.

But let's look at the short term. We've spent the last 3 years rebuilding the team. We have some extremely talented young guys in our line-up, some just now hitting their stride, some who will hit it soon. The problem is that we have been playing these talented offensive players in defensive-oriented roles. So now we have to rebuild the system. Hiring Quinn and Renney signals that we're building a game plan that will compete hard in every aspect, with an eye towards that offensive game we've been desperately needing.

Relax, guys. I think Tambi knows what's he's doing. Yes, he hired people who are familiar to him -- because he knows they can implement the direction he wants to take the team. Now he has a couple of years to retool and develop our long-term competitive strategy.

The future is bright in Edmonton, and I think this move proves it.

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#63 baggedmilk
May 27 2009, 11:18AM
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In Quinn we trust.

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#64 Mills
May 27 2009, 11:25AM
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scorcoff hemmercules wrote:

QUESTION: How many active NHL coaches have won a stanley cup??

With Lemaire and Keenan gone just three: Tortorella, Carlyle, and Babcock.

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#65 Ogden Brother
May 27 2009, 11:30AM
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Chaz wrote:

I think a big positive everyone is missing here (Apologies if it has been mentioned) is that this coaching move, IMO, strengthens our ability to lure Free Agents. Not only do we have 2 experienced and respected Head Coaches behind our bench, but it also shows our owner is serious about winning. A lot of players have played for these guys in the past, and if they’re both willing to come to the Northern Hinterland, then I imagine some of their former players will be too.

I doubt it. All the Pen fans said the same thing about players wanting to play with Crosby/Malkin (which I think would be far more appealing then who coaches them)

So far the Pens have gained via free agency:

Sykora/Satan/Fedotenko

Lost:

Hossa/Malone

Sure their might be the odd case where it helps a little (Jagr). But this theory is going to be (and already is starting to) get blown way out of proportion.

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#66 dumdum-IQWT
May 27 2009, 11:34AM
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baggedmilk wrote:

In Quinn we trust.

IQWT

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#67 Oilersordeath
May 27 2009, 11:41AM
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I'm already looking forward to training camp, Quinn as coach is definetly a step in the right direction. Any ideas on who the Oilers should draft? I'm at a loss

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#68 Mikey
May 27 2009, 11:42AM
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Having this duo of coaches may not directly lead to better players wanting to come, but indirectly it will affect it. The better the coaches, the better the team. The better the team, the better the players that want to come here. (I understand this team needs better players to be a more complete and competitive team but this is a step in the right direction for this franchise I believe.)

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#69 Hockey Gods
May 27 2009, 11:43AM
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DonDon wrote:

And there will be a lot of guffawing and scratching of heads around the NHL over this risky choice.

Are you high man or just one of those people who can't find the positive in anything. Do you beat you kids because they are too cute, then hassle them becasue of their scars? Both Darren Dreger and Bob Mckenzie are on the record as calling this a good, or great move. McKenzie says Quinn and Renney compliment each other quite well. These are two of the most connected men in hockey. They know their sh1t, as does Brownlee who says what he says not because he like the taste of Tambellini's taint, but because he has been around NHL hockey (and a lot closer to the game than you or I) and his experience and sense tells him this was the right choice.

DonDon wrote:

Three year contracts! How many years does Tambellini have on his contract? If the new Old Boys aren’t miracle workers with the mediocre players under contract, Tambellini and company will soon be gone.

So brainiac, what would have been the correct amount of term on the contract? If it were a ten year contract you would be pissy because that is far too long and Quinn might die on us. If it were a one year deal, you would be complaining the Oilers have no long term plan. I haven't doen the math, but I would hazzard to guess the average tenure for an NHL coach is about 3 years. And now you elude to this conspiricy theory that they are just going to eff off after 3 years and the three of them will take their dog pony show to another team? Get a grip dude and take your hands off of the pipe, they worked together in Vancouver 10 years ago, and have since each gone their seperate ways, gained more experience and personal successes. Now they have come together again, maybe they just want a valid shot at winning a championship. My question to you is, if you are hiring someone to work under you at your negativity factory, do you pick someone off the street who doen't have all the qulifications, or do you hire someone with all of the qualifications that you have worked well with in the past?

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#70 The Menace
May 27 2009, 11:45AM
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David S wrote:

beagle

I wouldn't have minded hearing more about these beagles before we rushed into anything.

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#71 I'm a Scientist!
May 27 2009, 11:45AM
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*rushes in the room from his labortory...sweaty and disheveled*

GOOD NEWS! I punched the combination of Quinn and Renney in the SuperComputer and this is what it spit out:

"Quinn rhymes with WIN and Renney rhymes with MANY"

The SuperComputer is never wrong. Sure this is a bit of an obscure response, but i think it is accurate. Renney Quinns headed our way!!!

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#72 baggedmilk
May 27 2009, 12:10PM
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@ Hockey Gods:

You're all fired up, and I like it.

For the record Tambo's taint tastes like heaven wrapped in bacon.

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#73 Mikey
May 27 2009, 12:14PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

For the record Tambo’s taint tastes like heaven wrapped in bacon

Pictured him as more of a chicken taste. Oh well.

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#74 Librarian Mike
May 27 2009, 12:30PM
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@ Hockey Gods:

The sign of a good boss is that they're not afraid to hire someone who is highly qualified. A lot of bosses only want sycophants in order to make them feel more secure. So, it bodes well that Tambellini didn't go the 'Granato route'.

@ baggedmilk:

How's this for a Vancouver connection: 'Taint' is an anagram of 'Tanti'.

I'll be here all week...

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#75 Hockey Gods
May 27 2009, 12:39PM
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I prefer to call the "taint" the "cuzif"

Cuzif you didn't have it, you'd sh1t on your balls.

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#76 Sourcrouse
May 27 2009, 01:00PM
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@ Jack Newcastle: It was reported on 630 CHED last night that there is a "gentleman's deal" in place with Renney for him to be the coach after Quinn's 3 year tenure is up. How's that for long term thinking??? Damn, this Kool-Aid is refreshing.

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#77 roger
May 27 2009, 01:02PM
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i too am interested in hearing about these beagles, but not about people interest in tambo's taint. there was a time when people's interest in such things was kept personal, maybe we should revisit that.

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#78 Mikey
May 27 2009, 01:23PM
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Sourcrouse wrote:

It was reported on 630 CHED last night that there is a “gentleman’s deal” in place with Renney for him to be the coach after Quinn’s 3 year tenure is up. How’s that for long term thinking??? Damn, this Kool-Aid is refreshing.

Reported or speculated?

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#79 Chris
May 27 2009, 01:41PM
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I liked Quinn's assessment of the team: the D can move the puck but, "I'd like them to be a little more tenacious"...and the key to playing a puck possession style is, "at center"... Most people who post here and follow the team religiously are in complete agreement with that off the cuff analysis. What I find most interesting is Quinn's comments to Tencer and Stauffer about the critical importance of having quality centermen who can "play both ways" as the "key".

This all ties in nicely with the ongoing debate of Coglino vs Gagner. Both are great players, but to get the right mix at center; one or the other needs to be moved; either to the wing, or by way of trade.

When taking the BPA at the draft table, it is assumed that there is a willingness to move a player should he be made redundant in the future. Props to Predergast for grabbing Coglino who was the absolute best player available to the Oilers in 2005. Again props to the Oilers for grabbing Gagner; the absolute BPA at sixth overall in 2008. Now it's time for management to show courage, and get the proper return for one of these two great young players to improve the overall mix on this roster... If management is unwilling to trade quality assests to balance a roster and improve; then they need to abandon the BPA concept and draft according to need.

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#80 Chris
May 27 2009, 01:42PM
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Mikey wrote:

Reported or speculated?

Tambellini flat out denied that any promises were made to that effect.

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#81 Mikey
May 27 2009, 01:48PM
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@ Chris: That is what I was getting at.

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#82 Oilersordeath
May 27 2009, 01:53PM
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@ Chris:

I dont think I'd want to trade one of those guys away just yet. I say keep Gagner at center, put Cogs on wing and let him fly. Plus I think Cogs with the right coaching can become a dangerous PK guy with his speed.

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#83 Mikey
May 27 2009, 02:05PM
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Chris wrote:

then they need to abandon the BPA concept and draft according to need.

This is nearly impossible because players drafter, more often than not, are a few years away from playing in the NHL. This is why drafting the BPA is a much better concept.

I agree that Tambellini needs to have the stones to move one of the small forwards in order to get bigger skill for the top 6.

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#84 Mikey
May 27 2009, 02:06PM
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drafted, not drafter. Need more coffee.

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#85 Mikey
May 27 2009, 02:07PM
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Mikey wrote:

I agree that Tambellini needs to have the stones to move one of the small forwards in order to get bigger skill for the top 6.

Which I believe he does.

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#86 Archaeologuy
May 27 2009, 02:14PM
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There's no reason to trade Cogs or Gags when Nilsson and O'Sullivan are still on the team. Cogs would be traded to another team and be converted to the wing anyway because no one would let him play C with such a bad faceoff %. It's not like the Oilers are SO STRONG up front that there isnt any room for Cogs to play the right or left side.

Drafting the best athlete is the ONLY way to go when you consider how NOT drafting the BPA has worked out for the Oil so far. How's that big centreman working out for us, Pouliot? Ugh. I'm sure Bonsignore was a fast skater too, ugh.

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#87 Ogden Brother
May 27 2009, 02:15PM
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I agree the team needs to get bigger up front.... but just for reference sake, none of Det/Carolina/Pits/Chicago are big, gritty teams.

In fact the grittier teams in the playoffs Calgary/Boston/Flyers/Ducks/Canucks all lost to smaller skill teams.

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#88 Ogden Brother
May 27 2009, 02:16PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

There’s no reason to trade Cogs or Gags when Nilsson and O’Sullivan are still on the team. Cogs would be traded to another team and be converted to the wing anyway because no one would let him play C with such a bad faceoff %. It’s not like the Oilers are SO STRONG up front that there isnt any room for Cogs to play the right or left side. Drafting the best athlete is the ONLY way to go when you consider how NOT drafting the BPA has worked out for the Oil so far. How’s that big centreman working out for us, Pouliot? Ugh. I’m sure Bonsignore was a fast skater too, ugh.

Cogs or Gagner will get you way more though (though I think you overate cogs and under rate O'sully)

Do you flip Nilsson for Tootoo or Cogliano for Horton?

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#89 Mikey
May 27 2009, 02:18PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

I agree the team needs to get bigger up front…. but just for reference sake, none of Det/Carolina/Pits/Chicago are big, gritty teams. In fact the grittier teams in the playoffs Calgary/Boston/Flyers/Ducks/Canucks all lost to smaller skill teams.

The team can get bigger without turning into a less skilled team. The players we acquire need to be bigger skilled players or at least play bigger then the current players we have.

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#90 Mikey
May 27 2009, 02:22PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Do you flip Nilsson for Tootoo

In a heartbeat.

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#91 Chris
May 27 2009, 02:26PM
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@ Oilersordeath: Assuming Cogliano is effective on the wing... previous attempts to play him there met with poor results. This season I see Cogliano as being a more effective second line center than Gagner. Problem is, by the time Gagner is Cogliano's age, Gagner may be something really special. The Oilers have TWO talented, young, small, second line centers, and only one slot... and a whole host of other needs. It is tempting to hang on to both players; particularly if you can't get a real suitable return via trade... such is the only downfall of the BPA concept.

I can't remember if the Oilers had Pronger under contract come draft day in 2005. If not, there was a pressing organizational need for more D. Had Predergast drafted to need, perhaps the Oilers would have selected Niskanen instead of Coglino. IMO Cogliano was the BPA at the time, but Niskanen could have been real valuable to the club after the unceremonious departure of Pronger. The point is, we wouldn't be having this trade Cogliano debate had the Oilers drafted according to need...I know the future is hard to predict, hence the strict adherence to the BPA concept. On the other hand, under the new CBA, prospects are playing younger; Clubs need not gaze five years into the future. Combine that with the fact that trades are less frequent: it could well be that a PURE BPA concept may be somewhat flawed in the "new" NHL. I guess what I'm saying is: if Oilers management isn't willing to choose between Cogliano or Gagner; for the overall good of the club; I'm going to absolutely lose it on draft day if MacGregor selects another smallish centerman...

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#92 Cam
May 27 2009, 02:26PM
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Mikey wrote:

Mikey wrote: I agree that Tambellini needs to have the stones to move one of the small forwards in order to get bigger skill for the top 6. Which I believe he does.

I agree with you. I don't think Tambellini is short on "stones".

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#93 Ogden Brother
May 27 2009, 02:29PM
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Mikey wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: I agree the team needs to get bigger up front…. but just for reference sake, none of Det/Carolina/Pits/Chicago are big, gritty teams. In fact the grittier teams in the playoffs Calgary/Boston/Flyers/Ducks/Canucks all lost to smaller skill teams. The team can get bigger without turning into a less skilled team. The players we acquire need to be bigger skilled players or at least play bigger then the current players we have.

The point is: Bigger isn't necesarly better ie

Chi > Cal Chi > Van

Det > Ducks

Pits > Flyers

Carolina > Boston

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#94 Ogden Brother
May 27 2009, 02:30PM
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Mikey wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Do you flip Nilsson for Tootoo In a heartbeat.

That wasn't the point.

I meant that Nillson is going to get us next to nothing useful while Cogs will get us something very useful.

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#95 Mikey
May 27 2009, 02:34PM
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@ Ogden Brother: How is a player like Tootoo not useful on this soft Oilers team?

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The point is: Bigger isn’t necesarly better ie Chi > Cal Chi > Van Det > Ducks Pits > Flyers Carolina > Boston

I never said bigger is better. I said the Oilers need to get bigger SKILLED players if they trade away the smaller skilled players. Which would be like your Cogs for Horton trade wouldn't it?

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#96 The Menace
May 27 2009, 02:35PM
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Cam wrote:

Mikey wrote: Mikey wrote: I agree that Tambellini needs to have the stones to move one of the small forwards in order to get bigger skill for the top 6. Which I believe he does. I agree with you. I don’t think Tambellini is short on “stones”.

Or "taint", as the previous posts would indicate.

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#97 Chris
May 27 2009, 02:38PM
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@ Ogden Brother:

All four "smaller" teams you listed, are harder to play against than the Oilers. Tambellini doesn't need make the Oiler as tough as the Ducks... he needs to get them at least as tough as the Blackhawks...

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#98 Robin Brownlee
May 27 2009, 02:40PM
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@ Hockey Gods: A gold star for you for getting "taint" into a discussion about Quinn and Renney.

I thought of the same word, in a different context, while reading the ramblings of BonBon or DonDon or whatever he calls himself.

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#99 David S
May 27 2009, 02:47PM
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Mikey wrote:

I never said bigger is better. I said the Oilers need to get bigger SKILLED players if they trade away the smaller skilled players.

Or some of the skilled kids we have could learn to play "bigger". From what I saw at the end of the year, Gagner is certainly starting to do this. I bet he comes to camp 20 lbs heavier with a chip on his shoulder. And not because he'll be sharing Doritos with Penner this summer either.

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#100 Archaeologuy
May 27 2009, 02:52PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Do you flip Nilsson for Tootoo

Tootoo = Usefull Nilsson = Useless

The math is simple on that one.

Ogden Brother wrote:

Cogliano for Horton?

Looking at the 2 I see Cogs potentially being able to duplicate what Horton is doing now. Keep in mind that Cogs has been buried on the 3rd line for both of his seasons. Now Horton is a beast of a kid at 6'2" and 230 lbs. On the other hand, I think he's elligible for UFA status in 2 years compared to 5 years for Cogs. It sure would upgrade the size of the team though. I just think that the best has yet to come from Cogs. This was a bad year to be an Oiler and Cogs only has 2 seasons under his belt. Maybe his 3rd year proves to be significantly better than the last and all of a sudden he can be used to get something better than Horton.

I just dont like the idea of trading either of Cogs or Gags away because their stock is at a low right now.

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