Trade Hemsky?

Jonathan Willis
May 03 2009 11:31AM

Hemsky and Sakic

Jim Matheson floated the idea in his piece this morning, with the Los Angeles Kings being the destination and a package consisting of Dustin Brown and Matt Greene being the return.

Lowetide’s opinion is here; he examines things from an organizational angle and stresses what the benefits would be before saying he doesn’t like the idea. I completely agree with him, but I thought it might be worthwhile to examine the relative offensive production of Brown and Hemsky year by year in the NHL.

Ales Hemsky at 19: 59GP – 6G – 24A – 30PTS (.51 PPG) Dustin Brown at 19: 31GP – 1G – 4A – 5PTS (.16 PPG)

Ales Hemsky at 20: 71GP – 12G – 22A – 34PTS (.48 PPG) Dustin Brown at 21: 79GP – 14G – 14A – 28PTS (.35 PPG)

Ales Hemsky at 22: 81GP – 19G – 58A – 77PTS (.95 PPG) Dustin Brown at 22: 81GP – 17G – 29A – 46PTS (.57 PPG)

Ales Hemsky at 23: 64GP – 13G – 40A – 53PTS (.83 PPG) Dustin Brown at 23: 78GP – 33G – 27A – 60PTS (.77 PPG)

Ales Hemsky at 24: 74GP – 20G – 51A – 71PTS (.96 PPG) Dustin Brown at 24: 80GP – 24G – 29A – 53PTS (.66 PPG)

Ales Hemsky at 25: 72G – 23G – 43A – 66PTS (.92 PPG)

Career Totals By Age 24

Ales Hemsky: 349GP – 70G – 195A – 265PTS (.76 PPG) Dustin Brown: 349GP – 89G – 103A – 192PTS (.55 PPG)

If the Oilers were to make that trade they’d be sending away someone who was a better point producer at age 25 than Pavel Datsyuk, Jarome Iginla, Henrik Sedin and Jason Spezza. They’d be sending away the best offensive talent on the team for a guy who once hit 60 points. It would mean that the best offensive season recorded by anyone on the team, ever, was Shawn Horcoff’s 73 point effort in 2005-06.

It would be a mistake.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#51 DBO
May 03 2009, 05:47PM
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JW: i thnik at this point you may get a similar return if you were to deal a Souray or Vishnovsky, then if you just moved Hemsky. It's the off season so I think we as fans love to speculate and do "sega trades", but I wonder if the Oil were to say that they are rebuilding for the next 2-3 years in order to position ourselves for our new arena and a realistic stanley cup run(like the Blackhawks) and moved out Hemsky, Moreau, Staios, and one of Souray or Vishnovski, what could we get in return? i realize it puts us dangerously close to the Coyotes in terms of talent and experinece, but i wonder if you could rebuild completely and have the fanbase support it if it follows the vision of tambellini.

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#52 Ogden Brother
May 03 2009, 05:51PM
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If LA is actually shopping Brown (can't see it) A Cogs+ for Brown would be excellent... just the player we need.

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#53 RossCreek
May 03 2009, 06:20PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

If LA is actually shopping Brown (can’t see it) A Cogs+ for Brown would be excellent… just the player we need.

I'd guess they aren't shopping him unless they're getting a frontline player to play with Kopitar (like Hemsky), not a young gunner whose upside hasn't yet been fully determined (not meant as a diss to AC). They're looking to package up a 2 for 1 type deal to land them a star, not an up-and-comer + for their young captain IMO.

@ Everybody:

What kind of interest/offers would we see put forward in a deal for Shane Doan (could be just him or a package including him)? What would you give up for him and how bad would you like to acquire him? Or is he a bit older than what you'd like?

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#54 RossCreek
May 03 2009, 06:28PM
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Other players in Phoenix that I'd have interest in (excluding a few I don't think will be moved-Mueller, Turris, Boedker): Ilya Bryzgalov Kurt Sauer Zybenek Michalek Matt Lombardi Martin Hanzal Scottie Upshall Nigel Dawes Brandon Prust

Thoughts?

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#55 Ogden Brother
May 03 2009, 06:54PM
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RossCreek wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: If LA is actually shopping Brown (can’t see it) A Cogs+ for Brown would be excellent… just the player we need. I’d guess they aren’t shopping him unless they’re getting a frontline player to play with Kopitar (like Hemsky), not a young gunner whose upside hasn’t yet been fully determined (not meant as a diss to AC). They’re looking to package up a 2 for 1 type deal to land them a star, not an up-and-comer + for their young captain IMO. @ Everybody: What kind of interest/offers would we see put forward in a deal for Shane Doan (could be just him or a package including him)? What would you give up for him and how bad would you like to acquire him? Or is he a bit older than what you’d like?

Most also thought they've also trade Visnosky/O'sully/Cammi recently when most weren't expecting it. LA is starting to rival Atl for head scratching moves.

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#56 Ogden Brother
May 03 2009, 06:54PM
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RossCreek wrote:

Other players in Phoenix that I’d have interest in (excluding a few I don’t think will be moved-Mueller, Turris, Boedker): Ilya Bryzgalov Kurt Sauer Zybenek Michalek Matt Lombardi Martin Hanzal Scottie Upshall Nigel Dawes Brandon Prust Thoughts?

Bryz and Doan would be excellent additions.

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#57 RossCreek
May 03 2009, 07:10PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

LA is starting to rival Atl for head scratching moves.

I gotta disagree with you on that. I like Dean Lombardi (have since his Sharks days), and I think he's following his plan right now. It won't be long til LA is this years Chicago IMO. They've got a good young core ready to step up (with a young, budding superstar) they've still got tons of prospects with another top 5 pick this year (to keep or trade for an impact player) and lots of cap room if I'm not mistaken. They could make some noise this summer too.

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#58 kingsblade
May 03 2009, 07:12PM
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RossCreek wrote:

kingsblade wrote: I’d argue that it wasn’t a 1 year rebuild for the Hawks (even though it may seem like that). You could see their fortunes changing a couple years back.

Two points.

1. - I didn't mean thatthe rebuild was only one year. That would be a ridiculous argument aince they were a lottery team repeatedly for years. I meant that one year they were still very much in rebuild mode and the next they were in it to win it.

2. - Are you saying that before they won the lottery and Kane had his absurdly good rookie campaign that you suspected they were nearly ready to start challenging for a cup? Their transition from building team to successful team DID happen in one season.

I very much agree about Lowe though.

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#59 Dan
May 03 2009, 07:13PM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Everybody: What kind of interest/offers would we see put forward in a deal for Shane Doan (could be just him or a package including him)? What would you give up for him and how bad would you like to acquire him? Or is he a bit older than what you’d like?

I don't see Phoenix looking to deal Doan, just for the fact that without Doan, Phoenix will have the look of an expansion team. I'm thinking they'll keep Doan to help all those kids along, if anything he could probably use another veteran to help him.

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#60 RossCreek
May 03 2009, 07:19PM
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@ kingsblade: They did have Jonathan Toews, Brent Seabrook, Duncan Keith and some decent prospects that have now made the jump (David Bolland, Cam Braker to name a few). Obviously Kane also helps. And some of the steals of deals they made along the way. I think they became a Cup contender in the last month nevermind year, but it wasn't much of a question to me whether they'd make a push for 6th.

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#61 Garett
May 03 2009, 07:25PM
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Aslo, 3 or so years left on his contract and a cheap one at that! Can't trade Hemmer, he is to good a "Bang for your Buck" player!

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#62 kingsblade
May 03 2009, 07:33PM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ kingsblade: They did have Jonathan Toews, Brent Seabrook, Duncan Keith and some decent prospects that have now made the jump (David Bolland, Cam Braker to name a few). Obviously Kane also helps. And some of the steals of deals they made along the way. I think they became a Cup contender in the last month nevermind year, but it wasn’t much of a question to me whether they’d make a push for 6th.

I'm talking last year. In 07-08 nthey were a rebuilding team, this year they are not. One year. Lets look at all that happened for them last year.

That was when Kane started. Toews started the same year. Sharp made a leap from marginal to player. Byfuglien played his first year. Bolland, also first year. Eager also came in.

All of that happened in 07-08, and that's off the top of my head so there could be more I'm missing. After all that they decided they were now contenders and started making the type of moves contenders make rather than rebuilders.

Rebuilding to contenders in one year. Admittedly they had started to build up a decent core of defensemen, but other than Havlat the majority of their offense comes from what happened thatyear.

The same could be said of the Oilers at the start of the year. They had some young up and coming talent just like Chicago. You could even based on some of the young talent that you could see improvement coming, just like Chicago. The big difference is that they didn't get as lucky and their young talent was not as good, so they jumped the gun.

This argument is moot really anyways, because I agree with you in the case of the Oilers, I was just pointing out that it wasn't as random a decision as you made it sound because there was some justification for it.

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#63 GSC
May 03 2009, 07:34PM
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RossCreek wrote: Ultimately, Tambellini & Lowe will make that decision without our input.

Well then, I guess we should all just keep quiet and mind our communes, eh? Wouldn't want to question the benevolent, all-knowing Oiler front office...

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#64 GSC
May 03 2009, 07:35PM
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RossCreek wrote:

Ultimately, Tambellini & Lowe will make that decision without our input.

Well then, I guess we should all just keep quiet and mind our communes, eh? Wouldn’t want to question the benevolent, all-knowing Oiler front office...

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#65 Harlie
May 03 2009, 08:14PM
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Nice job Canes. Minus 3 for the night for Chara. Cole's first playoff point in 7 years. My boy Whitney keeps on rollin. Staal plays like the energizer bunny. Good times!

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#66 Archaeologuy
May 03 2009, 08:19PM
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I was at work all day so I missed outon all the fun, but here's what I dont get.

How the hell did Jim Matheson get into the Hockey Hall of Fame with Retarded ideas like that? And it IS a retarded idea. It is likely the WORST trade proposal i have ever seen, and that includes anything and everything I have ever seen Eklund write.

Let's trade the best player with the best contract with the most production on the team for some 2nd line "power forward" who isnt even close to the Hemsky's skill or value, and as a throw in we get a player we already traded away. Sign me up! And while we're at it why dont we trade Gagner and Cogliano for Curtis Glencross and Vandermeer? Or Trade Souray for Igor Ulanov and a 7th round pick.

At what time in the morning does this trade sound wicked great?

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#67 Lofty
May 03 2009, 10:22PM
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Il trade Hemsky and Cogs for Jack Johnson and Brown. I would love to get Doughty but that is asking too much.

I then bite the bullet... and a big bullet at that and trade Viz or Souray with a Nilson, schremp, or Poo for a top end forward. Im talkin Thornton, Speeza, or Heatley.

I love Viz but Nash will be a UFA next year and I would love to see him in an oil jersey. Tough to find the money...thanks klowe

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#68 DonDon
May 03 2009, 10:22PM
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@ Dan: How about trading Staois and Moreau to Phoenix if the Coyotes are looking for veterans? Would they be interested in Horcoff and Penner? Great for the Oilers to shed some toxic contracts and have some cap room.

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#69 Ogden Brother
May 03 2009, 10:23PM
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RossCreek wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: LA is starting to rival Atl for head scratching moves. I gotta disagree with you on that. I like Dean Lombardi (have since his Sharks days), and I think he’s following his plan right now. It won’t be long til LA is this years Chicago IMO. They’ve got a good young core ready to step up (with a young, budding superstar) they’ve still got tons of prospects with another top 5 pick this year (to keep or trade for an impact player) and lots of cap room if I’m not mistaken. They could make some noise this summer too.

What's this, the third straight year in the lottery? (and a few more before that out of the PO). I'm sure his strategy will work in the long run, but tanking isn't exactly the toughest plan to follow.

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#70 Ogden Brother
May 03 2009, 10:24PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I was at work all day so I missed outon all the fun, but here’s what I dont get. How the hell did Jim Matheson get into the Hockey Hall of Fame with Retarded ideas like that? And it IS a retarded idea. It is likely the WORST trade proposal i have ever seen, and that includes anything and everything I have ever seen Eklund write. Let’s trade the best player with the best contract with the most production on the team for some 2nd line “power forward” who isnt even close to the Hemsky’s skill or value, and as a throw in we get a player we already traded away. Sign me up! And while we’re at it why dont we trade Gagner and Cogliano for Curtis Glencross and Vandermeer? Or Trade Souray for Igor Ulanov and a 7th round pick. At what time in the morning does this trade sound wicked great?

I gotta agree, the only way I'm trading Hemmer to LA is if Kopitar is coming back (maybe Doughty).

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#71 RossCreek
May 03 2009, 10:24PM
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@ Ogden Brother: Kevin Lowe couldn't follow it. I'll bet LA is in the playoffs next season.

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#72 Ogden Brother
May 03 2009, 10:25PM
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Lofty wrote:

Il trade Hemsky and Cogs for Jack Johnson and Brown. I would love to get Doughty but that is asking too much. I then bite the bullet… and a big bullet at that and trade Viz or Souray with a Nilson, schremp, or Poo for a top end forward. Im talkin Thornton, Speeza, or Heatley. I love Viz but Nash will be a UFA next year and I would love to see him in an oil jersey. Tough to find the money…thanks klowe

Love posts like this. "Damn Lowe, if it wasn't for him Nash would be here in a couple of years"

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#73 Ogden Brother
May 03 2009, 10:25PM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: Kevin Lowe couldn’t follow it. I’ll bet LA is in the playoffs next season.

Ya, because he didn't try to.

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#74 Dan
May 03 2009, 10:27PM
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DonDon wrote:

@ Dan: How about trading Staois and Moreau to Phoenix if the Coyotes are looking for veterans? Would they be interested in Horcoff and Penner? Great for the Oilers to shed some toxic contracts and have some cap room.

Why would Phoenix do that? Doan has been a lifetime Coyote and bleeds his teams colors. The only way he gets traded is if he asks to be, and I haven't heard an inkling of that. To me, Doan getting traded from Phoenix would be like Iginla getting traded from Calgary, highly unlikely.

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#75 Bryant
May 03 2009, 10:37PM
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Instead of bringing back Matt Greene. Hemmer and our first round pick for Brown and there first round pick.

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#76 Cory Dakin
May 03 2009, 10:52PM
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This whole topic just went full retard... And you NEVER go full retard. Hemsky is not beind traded to Los Angeles.. Not for Brown or Greene.. Or Red, Purple, Or Yellow for that matter. Any GM in this league would have to be stone cold drunk to trade a player of his ability, and at that cost, for any reason. If Hemsky were ever to be traded it will come when he's nearing unrestricted free agency and refusing to discuss contract extension with management.

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#77 Cory Dakin
May 03 2009, 10:55PM
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@ Lofty: What do Johnson and Brown bring that make it worth losing Hemsky and Cogs?

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#78 Archaeologuy
May 03 2009, 10:59PM
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Cory Dakin wrote:

And you NEVER go full retard

Great Tropic Thunder reference!

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#79 Cory Dakin
May 03 2009, 11:00PM
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@ Archaeologuy: Just watched it last night... Had to throw one in there!

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#80 Archaeologuy
May 03 2009, 11:11PM
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On an unrelated note, is Todd Marchant ONLY capable of raising the puck in Playoff Overtimes?

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#81 Cory Dakin
May 03 2009, 11:16PM
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@ Archaeologuy:

I believe he is.... And quite frankly I can live with that.

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#82 RossCreek
May 03 2009, 11:27PM
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@ Archaeologuy: @ Cory Dakin: Todd Marchant came thru big time for me today. Not because I have him, but I have 5 Ducks in my draft and only 6 were taken in total. Ducks=$ in my pocket

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#83 Travis Dakin
May 03 2009, 11:42PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

On an unrelated note, is Todd Marchant ONLY capable of raising the puck in Playoff Overtimes?

See that brings back memories of happy times.

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#84 Travis Dakin
May 03 2009, 11:48PM
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Cory Dakin wrote:

This whole topic just went full retard… And you NEVER go full retard. Hemsky is not beind traded to Los Angeles.. Not for Brown or Greene.. Or Red, Purple, Or Yellow for that matter.

That is exactly the type of trade that we had to endure for years with this team. "Hi, this is the GM of the Oilers... We have a budding superstar that we would like to get rid of for a couple of guys that we can hope will become superstars. You in?"

It's completely ridiculous. Here me now world, If Hemsky is traded for someone who is not of equal value (Hossa for Heatly) then I'm out of the game. I will burn my jerseys. I know you don't care, but I do. I watched too many greats leave and stuck through, bleeding Oiler blue. To continue would be too much.

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#85 jp
May 03 2009, 11:56PM
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I'd use Hemsky Gilbert Penner and Schremp to pry the 4th overall, Kovalchuk and Pavelic out of Atlanta and use the savings to sign Bouwmeister and Reasoner then move Vish and Osullivan to T-bay for 2nd Overall and Malone(overpaid not as much as people think and tbay would love to unload him, 6ft4 225lb good for 25 to 30 goals tough as they come). Draft Hedman or Tavares and Paarvi they could play next year. Package nilsson, moreau and 10th overall to move up to get Kane, Cowan or Schenn Again use the savings to sign Hossa and Marcel Hossa (27 6ft3 215lb had good year in KHL) Brother act shaves a good 5mil off elder hossas contract I bet and try to keep it to under 6yrs or make it like franzens(remember Valeri Bure, he had some real good seasons in his late twenties takes some time I guess)

Kovalchuk Horcoff Hossa 100 goals Malone Gagner Hossa 65 goals Cogliano Reasoner Pisani 45 Goals Jacques Brodziak Stortini 30 Goals

Souray Bouwmeister 35 Goals Smid Grebeshkov 15 Goals Hedman Peckham 10 Goals

Pavalic JDD

extra 15 to 20 from extra forwards (315 goals)

this roster could easily score over 300 Goals and is better in every way than last years team (goal is interesting we could resign roli to a two year deal 2.5/1.5 2m cap hit if pav & jdd aren't solid) these are huge trades but they make every team involved better thats why I think they are plausable. We have too many good not great nhlers atlanta doesn't. Move some of these guys out for some new skill It is very rare to find pronger/forsberg type players where we pick in the draft so lets be bold and do what we have to to move up to grab these huge talents and make them oilers from day one. the glory days were built on the draft(except 99) and thats what we need to do now.

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#86 Sandra
May 04 2009, 12:44AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ RossCreek: This is a blue-collar town that wants a hard-nosed, hard-working team. This is a town accustomed to winning; they want a winning team. I didn’t dismiss the idea out of hand, but Ales Hemsky is the only player on the team with a track record of high-end offense every single season. He’s not even 26 and he can outscore tough opposition and is far and away the best powerplay option the team has. Moving Hemsky for Brown fills one hole by opening a new one; good teams don’t do that.

This is a town accustomed to winning? Please share. This has not been a winning town since 1990. Thats 18years, your a stats man. Most of the new fans , all they know is barely sqeeking into the playoffs. aside from Roli,Souray, Struds and a few others I don't think any of those Oiler Players ever watched a game of the Oilers from the 90's live or on TV. Does any one know what Oilers Hockey is? Maybe it is time to move Hemsky, but under the new regime he may flourish and maybe he can be a Sedin and make his winger get 50 goals. Do a little bitof research adn wait that year before firing the gun on a trade.

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#87 Ogden Brother
May 04 2009, 08:11AM
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jp wrote:

I’d use Hemsky Gilbert Penner and Schremp to pry the 4th overall, Kovalchuk and Pavelic out of Atlanta and use the savings to sign Bouwmeister and Reasoner then move Vish and Osullivan to T-bay for 2nd Overall and Malone(overpaid not as much as people think and tbay would love to unload him, 6ft4 225lb good for 25 to 30 goals tough as they come). Draft Hedman or Tavares and Paarvi they could play next year. Package nilsson, moreau and 10th overall to move up to get Kane, Cowan or Schenn Again use the savings to sign Hossa and Marcel Hossa (27 6ft3 215lb had good year in KHL) Brother act shaves a good 5mil off elder hossas contract I bet and try to keep it to under 6yrs or make it like franzens(remember Valeri Bure, he had some real good seasons in his late twenties takes some time I guess) Kovalchuk Horcoff Hossa 100 goals Malone Gagner Hossa 65 goals Cogliano Reasoner Pisani 45 Goals Jacques Brodziak Stortini 30 Goals Souray Bouwmeister 35 Goals Smid Grebeshkov 15 Goals Hedman Peckham 10 Goals Pavalic JDD extra 15 to 20 from extra forwards (315 goals) this roster could easily score over 300 Goals and is better in every way than last years team (goal is interesting we could resign roli to a two year deal 2.5/1.5 2m cap hit if pav & jdd aren’t solid) these are huge trades but they make every team involved better thats why I think they are plausable. We have too many good not great nhlers atlanta doesn’t. Move some of these guys out for some new skill It is very rare to find pronger/forsberg type players where we pick in the draft so lets be bold and do what we have to to move up to grab these huge talents and make them oilers from day one. the glory days were built on the draft(except 99) and thats what we need to do now.

All you missed was swapping Gagner+Brule for Tavares and Horcoff+2nd for Toews, and we'd be set!

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#88 Archaeologuy
May 04 2009, 08:27AM
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@ jp: So you've been playing a lot of NHL 09 lately?

Why would Tampa give up the 2nd overall pick? They are in desperate need of cheap talent and that pick is a guaranteed lock. And in return they get a very high priced Dman and an equally high priced 6th forward.

Why would anyone want Moreau or Nilsson?

Then we magically sign a few UFAs despite the fact that the Oilers arent a winning club?

This trade proposal is almost as bad as Jim Matheson's

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#89 Malc
May 04 2009, 08:59AM
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First, I think people are seriously undervalueing D. Brown. He brings a lot to the game that Hemsky does not. Basing an argument looking solely at point totals without including team context is not a great idea. This team needs to get harder to play against. Brown would do just that and still put up good numbers.

Secondly, this does not mean I am in favor of Matheson's proposed trade. I am, however, not opposed to the idea of trading Hemsky. We have been looking for players who can play with him for years with no success. I am tired of the experiment and I believe Hemsky is not the foundation upon which you try to build a team. He is of value because of his talent, points, and contract. He would be bring a decent return which I am not about to speculate on. It is time to build a first line already, or at the very least, add some role-players to balance our roster. The loss of his points does not automatically equal a worse team - that would depend on the roster our GM assembles and our future coach.

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#90 Ogden Brother
May 04 2009, 09:05AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

@ jp: So you’ve been playing a lot of NHL 09 lately? Why would Tampa give up the 2nd overall pick? They are in desperate need of cheap talent and that pick is a guaranteed lock. And in return they get a very high priced Dman and an equally high priced 6th forward. Why would anyone want Moreau or Nilsson? Then we magically sign a few UFAs despite the fact that the Oilers arent a winning club? This trade proposal is almost as bad as Jim Matheson’s

Why on earth do people keep saying UFA's don't come here because the team isn't a winner?

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#91 Harlie
May 04 2009, 09:07AM
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Player X 4 NHL seasons with more than 70 points (1 season with more than 80 points) Best Junior season PPG average of 2.57 (185 points in 72 games) 0.817 PPG average over his NHL career 0.53 PPG average in NHL playoffs (39 points in 74 games) 1 Stanley Cup 5'10" 180lbs

Player Y 2 NHL seasons with more than 70 points (never broke 80 points in a season yet) Best Junior season PPG average of 1.83 (97 points in 53 games) 0.78 PPG average over his NHL career 0.56 PPG average in NHL playoffs (17 points in 30 games) 0 Stanley Cups 6' 192lbs

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. Player X = Ray Whitney Player Y = Ales Hemsky

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#92 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
May 04 2009, 09:17AM
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jp wrote:

I’d use Hemsky Gilbert Penner and Schremp to pry the 4th overall, Kovalchuk and Pavelic out of Atlanta and use the savings to sign Bouwmeister and Reasoner then move Vish and Osullivan to T-bay for 2nd Overall and Malone(overpaid not as much as people think and tbay would love to unload him, 6ft4 225lb good for 25 to 30 goals tough as they come). Draft Hedman or Tavares and Paarvi they could play next year. Package nilsson, moreau and 10th overall to move up to get Kane, Cowan or Schenn Again use the savings to sign Hossa and Marcel Hossa (27 6ft3 215lb had good year in KHL) Brother act shaves a good 5mil off elder hossas contract I bet and try to keep it to under 6yrs or make it like franzens(remember Valeri Bure, he had some real good seasons in his late twenties takes some time I guess) Kovalchuk Horcoff Hossa 100 goals Malone Gagner Hossa 65 goals Cogliano Reasoner Pisani 45 Goals Jacques Brodziak Stortini 30 Goals Souray Bouwmeister 35 Goals Smid Grebeshkov 15 Goals Hedman Peckham 10 Goals Pavalic JDD I think the Oilers made a mistake when they hired Tambalini,they should have hired you.You make it sound so easy,or did katz invent the stupid pill for you to give to all the other gms in the league?
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#93 bengood
May 04 2009, 09:17AM
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@ Harlie:

Player X turns 37 this week Player Y is 25

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#94 Archaeologuy
May 04 2009, 09:24AM
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@ Malc: So you dont think 1st line players should be judged on points? Because when the 1st line is rolled out and doesnt produce because there isnt anything close to an elite player on it i dont think anyone will say, "yeah but its OK because those guys have grit in their teeth!"

I'm sure that Brown is an alright player, perhaps even good. But Hemsky hasnt been the experiment on the first line, he's the only thing propping it up. He's the only player on the team capable of taking over a game by himself and his production is top 40 in the league.

Dustin Brown does not have those qualities. He isnt even the best LW on his own team. And his career -59 doesnt bode well either. I'm sorry to break the news to people, but Hemsky is twice the player Brown will ever be. Dont overvalue some second liner from a terrible team and trash the best player on this team.

It isnt a good proposal, its laughable. Trade Hemsky? Why? The team doesnt have scoring depth, it isnt on the verge of winning, his contract isnt about to expire, he's still very young, he's the best player on the team, and the return will undoubtedly be of lesser value. The Oilers are in a position of strength at one position (unless you count high priced under-performing veterans a position): Defense. AND more importantly, Offensive Defensemen, a rare and coveted commodity. So any trade proposal that includes any elite players from other positions creates massive holes in the lineup.

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#95 Archaeologuy
May 04 2009, 09:27AM
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Why on earth do people keep saying UFA’s don’t come here because the team isn’t a winner?

Well, that might have something to do with the fact that only one player on the Roster came here by way of Unrestricted Free Agency, and this is his home town...and the Oilers offered the most money.

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#96 RossCreek
May 04 2009, 09:28AM
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jp wrote:

Hemsky Gilbert Penner and Schremp to pry the 4th overall, Kovalchuk and Pavelic out of Atlanta

jp wrote:

then move Vish and Osullivan to T-bay for 2nd Overall and Malone

jp wrote:

Package nilsson, moreau and 10th overall to move up to get Kane, Cowan or Schenn

Ahhh... yeeeeeeaaah. That sounds just about right... except for the part where you made trade proposals. Just a tad one-sided.

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#97 Archaeologuy
May 04 2009, 09:29AM
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@ Archaeologuy: sorry i didnt count Strudwick

~how could I forget him?~

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#98 Archaeologuy
May 04 2009, 09:34AM
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@ Harlie:

You are aware that Whitney has been playing for 18+ years and that Hemsky tracks well ahead of him, right?

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#99 RossCreek
May 04 2009, 09:36AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Well, that might have something to do with the fact that only one player on the Roster came here by way of Unrestricted Free Agency, and this is his home town…and the Oilers offered the most money.

Steve Staios also came here via free agency back in 01. I guess technically speaking Jason Strudwick did too. Not that they're as big of a name as Souray, but you did say "only one player on the Roster came here by way of Unrestricted Free Agency". One impact player... yes, correct.

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#100 Ogden Brother
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Why on earth do people keep saying UFA’s don’t come here because the team isn’t a winner? Well, that might have something to do with the fact that only one player on the Roster came here by way of Unrestricted Free Agency, and this is his home town…and the Oilers offered the most money.

So what's that prove? I'd think a more telling sign would be how many UFA's go to non winning teams each summer.

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