Armchair GM IV: The Peanut Gallery

Robin Brownlee
May 07 2009 01:04PM

Steve Tambellini has some thinking to do

So, if you woke up this morning and you were Edmonton Oilers GM Steve Tambellini, what would your list of things-to-do look like? And, no, checking your bank statement doesn't count.

From hiring a new coach to filling holes and addressing needs on the roster after a third straight season out of the playoffs, Tambellini's got his work cut out, and there's no shortage of opinions on what he should do.

Given Tambellini's stated desire of icing a bigger, grittier team and a handful of obvious needs -- a proven top-six forward, a defensive-minded centre who can win face-offs and kill penalties and a shutdown defenceman, not to mention hiring a bench boss who can pull it all together -- let's throw around some scenarios with you in the GM's chair.

Like Tambellini, you'll have to keep in mind salary cap space and the fact that no matter which way you go, people will piss and moan. The bottom line is you'd better please Daryl Katz, who signs the cheques, because he's just sent you a text that reads: "Steve, if we miss the playoffs in 2009-10, I'm firing your ass. Got it? Regards, D."

Let's begin.

The back end

1. You've decided to shop Tom Gilbert in the hope of acquiring a top six forward. Coming off a 45-point season, Gilbert's got some cachet and you've got the bases covered in terms of offensive depth with Sheldon Souray, Lubomir Visnovsky and Denis Grebeshkov, once he signs the fat RFA offer you've got sitting on your desk.

-- The Buffalo Sabres offer Derek Roy.

-- The Philadelphia Flyers offer Scott Hartnell.

-- The Florida Panthers offer Nathan Horton.

Which deal do you take?

2. You've taken one of the above three players for Gilbert and you're getting ready to present your offer to Grebeshkov. Before you do, you get a fax from head office that says Toronto GM Brian Burke has tendered on offer sheet on Grebeshkov that's worth $16 million over four years.

After you change trousers and wipe your ass, do you match it? Do you send some guy named Bruno to see Burke?

3. The Los Angeles Kings offer a do-over on last summer's trade: they'll send you Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene for Visnovsky. Knowing what you know now, do you make that deal?

The Seven Dwarves

1. Unless Snow White has jumped to the top of the short-list of coaching candidates, the need to get bigger up front to complement Ales Hemsky and Sam Gagner is the most pressing, so you're listening to offers for Patrick O'Sullivan and Andrew Cogliano.

-- Tampa Bay offers Ryan Malone for O'Sullivan.

-- Chicago offers Dustin Byfuglien for O'Sullivan.

-- Dallas offers Steve Ott for Cogliano.

Which deal do you take?

2. You've got $10 million to spend. Do you offer UFA Ales Kotalik a new deal for three years or do you send Darcy Regier into spasms by tendering an offer sheet on RFA Drew Stafford for four years at $10 million?

3. If not Stafford, would that offer sheet be better spent on Tuomo Ruutu of Carolina or Travis Zajac of New Jersey?

Money Talks

1. You've got some dollars for a UFA burning a hole in your pocket -- we know how uncomfortable that can be -- and you've decided to throw some of it around. Who's the best target?

-- Mike Komisarek.

-- Francois Beauchemin

-- Manny Malhotra

-- Scott Clemmensen

2. Dwayne Roloson tells you he'll re-sign for $4 million over two years. Do you give him the extra season he wants or do you say, "Thanks, and good luck in Philadelphia?"

3. Nashville wants more skill and you want more grit. The Predators offer you pugnacious and noted serial-charger Jordin Tootoo for sometimes-slacker Robert Nilsson. Do you make that trade?

Dazed and Confused

You fall down the stairs and hit your head. You decide that none of the above small potatoes matter unless you can land a BIG name player to throw on the marquee at Rexall Place. Money, at least to the cap limit, is no object. Which makes the most sense?

1. Buy out the final year of Jaromir Jagr's contract with Omsk for $3 million and give the 38-year-old future hall-of-famer a two-year contract worth $10 million, for a total cost of $13 million.

2. Re-visit the Marian Hossa sweepstakes.

3. Trade one-third of the roster to free up enough cap space to acquire the inseparable UFA tandem of Daniel and Henrik Sedin to play with Hemsky.

4. Let your head clear.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#51 Ender the Dragon
May 07 2009, 06:17PM
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I looked at the numbers. Believe it or not, I think I take door number twelve, let everyone walk, and sign Mary-Kate and Ashley Sedin. That is an unstoppable first-line and powerplay (barring significant injury)and I'll have cheap cookie-cutter shutdown defensemen play the trap behind them. If anyone else who is left scores some goals, it's all icing on the cake. And goalies? Hell, I'd go with JDD and Dubnyk if I had to and gamble that I'm winning every game 5-4, or better if JDD lives up to my hopes and dreams.

Would it win a championship? I don't know, but every game would be something to watch; I'd spin the wheel to find out.

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#52 Robin Brownlee
May 07 2009, 06:47PM
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Chris wrote:

Have the Oilers signifigantly narrowed the gap with the Detroit managemnt machine under Katz’s ownership? I know there has been a management review, and restructering last offseason… Your article was super effective in illustrating the sheer complexity of assembling an NHL roster in this day and age. Tambellini’s team must compete with the big dogs. Do they have similar rescources at their disposal?

No, they haven't significantly narrowed the gap but they're showing a willingness to get as many qualified sets of eyes in the right positions as they can. Hiring Tambellini is a start. So is have two assistant GMs, even though you could argue the merits of the people in place now (Olczyk and Prendergast). Scouting is as key. With a cap, the resources (financial) aren't the issue. It's how you spend your money.

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#53 Dan
May 07 2009, 06:47PM
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1. Nathan Horton 2. Match it 3. Keep Visnovsky

1. None of the above. Keep Cogs. Deal O'Sullivan for cheaper aalary. Can I do O'Sullivan for Ott? 2.No offer sheets. Sell Kotalik on a 1yr/2.5mil deal, and tell him he could make a lot of money by getting a chance to play with Hemsky. 3.No offer sheets.

1.Scott Clemmensen. 2. If we have Clemmensen, no need for Roli. 3. I would rather bank on Jacques and Stortini being our Tootoo. But dealing Nilsson is a must.

1. Let your head clear.

Kotalik - Horton - Hemsky Moreau - Horcoff - Pisani Ott - Gagner - Cogliano Jacques - Brodziak - Stortini Reddox Pouliot

Souray - Visnovsky Zanon - Grebeshkov Smid - Peckham Strudwick

Clemmensen JDD

Around a 52 mil cap hit.

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#54 mjsh
May 07 2009, 08:00PM
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I would take Horton in a heart beat. I am not so sure that Tootoo is needed. I think that JFJ, Storts and big Mac are all the weight we need unless Doug comes available. I would sign Grebs and hide his acid. Keep Rolly but I do not think he will be back just because he left his family down east this year and fully expect to see him sign in the east. That leaves Clemonson and JDD for goalies. I like signing Jagr and do not think any of Malone, Ott or Buffoon is enough for O'Sullivan or Cogs.

I think that the addition of Horton and Jagr makes the top six work. I do not know how Dan got Zanon but perhaps Staios and Rowbear would do the trick.

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#55 Chris
May 07 2009, 08:01PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Thanks Robin. If I could play armchair owner for a minute:

1) Spare no expence on your management team. Recruit and pay for the best minds in hockey... For example: Do whatever it takes to lure away Hakan Andersson from Detroit, and so on.

2) Buy some awesome high end river valley homes and have them ready and waiting as a stop-gap for newly acquired players. First impressions of the city are important.

3) Rennovate the visitor dressing room. Try to impress future UFA's.

4) Make sure that every effort is made to make the wives and children of the players happy. It could be as simple as making sure Katz sends flowers and gifts on birthdays etc. Or organize tasteful and fun family trips. Provide perks...maids whatever: Anything and everything. Create a country club atmosphere. Seduce the families and maybe there will be an increased willingness to avoid arbitration hearings, free agency, etc..

5) Don't just build a new arena... set a new standard for buildings in the NHL. The Oilers will need to get more than thirty years service out of the new building; so don't cheap out. Have the practice facility adjoined... and integrate an awesome hotel for opposing teams, and for use during conventions, and for tourism etc.

6) Mend fences with the NHLPA. Suck up. Whatever.

There are ways to provide incentives outside the cap. Provide them. Can you get Katz to up the budget?

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#56 german titov
May 07 2009, 08:24PM
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I'd sign me. I'm only 43.

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#57 heavyd
May 07 2009, 08:51PM
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@ Ender the Dragon:

I understand what your saying, but weren't we supposed to be doing that this year, and look how that worked out for us.

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#58 David S
May 07 2009, 08:56PM
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So the HNIC guys were saying tonight that Messier is going to the Worlds and that it was likely he was going to meet with Tambellini and Lowe. Call me crazy but I think our days of suffering through games where guys mail it in like this year would be over with Mess as an AC.

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#59 Harlie
May 07 2009, 09:07PM
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@ David S:

I'd love to see a Mooselstein and Renney combo.

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#60 Robin Brownlee
May 07 2009, 09:36PM
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David S wrote:

So the HNIC guys were saying tonight that Messier is going to the Worlds and that it was likely he was going to meet with Tambellini and Lowe. Call me crazy but I think our days of suffering through games where guys mail it in like this year would be over with Mess as an AC.

I don't see Messier going the coaching route. If anything, my guess is he'll be looking to get into management as an assistant GM or in a newly created job slot at the same level under Tambellini.

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#61 David Staples
May 07 2009, 10:12PM
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I'd take Horton.

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#62 Dan
May 07 2009, 10:21PM
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@ mjsh:

Zanon is a UFA and one that might fly under the radar. Since I wasn't allowed to use JayBo, Komisarek is probably going to be overpaid and Beauchemin is unlikely, Zanon was the next in line. Not that I think Zanon is all that realistic of an option, but I had to plug someone's name in there.

The Dmen during free agency is going to be a game of musical chairs and I'm hoping that the Oilers can get one of those seats.

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#63 Hockey Gods
May 07 2009, 10:34PM
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The Back End 1. Nathan Horton 2. Let him go, we should try and stockpile more picks anyway. Address the loss of Grebs with UFA. 3. Never, Lubo is rock solid and a world class puck mover.

The 7 Dwarfs 1. Do the Deal for Malone, O'Needsahug is a lot to give up but Malone is a pretty good power forward and a replacement for the shooter Patty is. 2. Try to Ales, but no more than 3 mil. I already gave up Gibby and Grebs so I need him to QB the second unit PP, and he and Hemmer looked OK. 3. No Offer sheets this year

Money Talks 1. Go after Beauchiman, he could be a good second pairing, physical shutdown d-man with a scoring punch. Sign Clemenson, he can platoon with JDD, get Malhotra (or reasoner) always good to have a good faceoff man. 2. Thanks for the run Roli, you made some memories, but 2 years is one too many buddy, enjoy Philly. 3. Tootoo for Nilsson in a heartbeat.

Dazed and Confused I don't think I have room on my roster for anymore players as I realize I have 5 centers and a pile of wingers that need a place on my roster.

I clear my head with a case of Rum and look over my roster and freak out knowing the boss will be on my a$$ because I have an abundance of forwards. I guess I can always trade for draft picks.

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#64 RossCreek
May 07 2009, 11:08PM
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@ Robin So you're offered Brent Seabrook and Andrew Ladd for Andrew Cogliano and Tom Gilbert. You're Tambellini, what do you do? ;-)

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#65 David S
May 07 2009, 11:24PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I don’t see Messier going the coaching route. If anything, my guess is he’ll be looking to get into management as an assistant GM or in a newly created job slot at the same level under Tambellini.

It was just was wishful thinking on my part Robin. However, maybe Messier as an AGM wouldn't be such a bad way to go either. Just the fact that he'd be the team's personal motivator would be a big plus. The guy's a freaking legend.

On a side note, a while ago Gregor mentioned the possibility of podcasts coming to ON. I only ever get to catch the last 15 minutes of you and Jason on Thursday afternoon and find myself wishing I had the chance to catch your entire show. Has there been any progress on adding the Brownlee/Gregor JAG segments to this site?

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#66 Cam
May 08 2009, 12:09AM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Robin So you’re offered Brent Seabrook and Andrew Ladd for Andrew Cogliano and Tom Gilbert. You’re Tambellini, what do you do?

I know this question is intended for Robin, but I gotta answer saying YES. Seabrook would look really good in oiler silks.

Now speaking of a Man-crush - I just finished watching twenty minutes of Hemsky highlights on Youtube and I can't understand why anyone would want to trade Hemmer. He is awesome. What an entertaining hockey player - we've only seen the beginning.

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#67 Cam
May 08 2009, 12:12AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I don’t see Messier going the coaching route. If anything, my guess is he’ll be looking to get into management as an assistant GM or in a newly created job slot at the same level under Tambellini.

Oh man... then I would have to hear half the dorks in town moaning about "the old boys club".

Mess is a winner... I would support bringing him in for grooming under Tambo.

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#68 Hemmertime
May 08 2009, 12:56AM
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1. oo Toss up, Roy I would go with, Lets Horc be the #2 without making Gagner or Cogs play a pivotal role. 2. Match it 3. Keep Visnovsky - hands down

1. None of the above. Keep Cogs. 2. Offer Kotalik, tho I agree 1 year would be good in chance to play for contract. 3. Zajac would be nice, but the amount we would need to give up and the draft picks, dont think Id do it. 1. Malholtra and Scott Clemmensen, but if had to pick one Id take Manny 2. If we have Clemmensen, no need for Roli. Otherwise, its tempting, at 2 million a year I would bite. 3. Tootoo for Nilsson is done deal.

1. Jagr. Hossa a pipedream.

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#69 TV
May 08 2009, 12:58AM
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@ Robin Brownlee...

The Back End;

While I surely expected a few of these (~) at the beginning & end of each sentence, after all the other replies, I guess I'll take a stab then RB... (but we have to stay within the parameters of the players you listed only, correct..?)

1.) I'd do a Gilbert for Horton deal, just because he is the youngest, the cheapest Cap Hit, & still has the best possible upside to his game out of the 3 IMO. At least the $$$ & term are an exact wash.

2.) As for Grebs & the O.S., I would not even let it get that far in the 1st place. The Oilers can protect up to 2 RFA's with 'Club Elected Salary Arbitration" this summer, so Tamby better damn well be using that on him (& Smid if needed) before that 5 day window pops up at the beginning of July. As long as they sign Gretzbeshkov to at least a 3yr deal, then they won't have to worry about him becoming a RFA again & using up the 1 time they can use that Arby option on him over his career. He better be re-signed 1st, or at the worst, protected via this way.

3.) No chance, I've seen enough of Stoll & Greene this season (& in the past) to know who (no matter the age) is the better fit for the Oilers Hockey Club, you can fill those same spots without giving up a World Class D'man like LV.

The Seven Dwarves;

1.) I'm not a big guy on dealing Sully, his upside is just at the bottom of the hill right now & I think you'll see some major steps forward from him on the next 2 seasons. The Buff' swap is very enticing indeed, but I'd pass on that for now. Also, there is no way I touch Malone at that price compared to Sully's deal. The Oilers need any Top 6 forward they can get under $3mill per (save for Row~Bert) in their current state right now.

2.) I'm not giving AK21 a 3yr deal at any price over $2mill per Cap hit wise, but the offer sheet for Drew is a good idea in theory, but there is no way the Sabres let him walk for a 2nd round pick only. (especially after the Vanek debacle)

3.) Same thing for Ruutu (luv him though) & NO to Zajac, both Clubs won't let him go for that kind of compensation return, but if Rutherford was at an open bar for 6 days straight, I'd have him on the horn every damn day regarding Tuomo, & I'd be picking up his bar tab to boot. (Plus the twirlies) (BTW... Luv Ott too, but not for Cogzilla)

Money Talks;

1.) I'd go for Beauchemin out of the players you listed, but I'd rather spend that $$$ on another type of Tender (than Clemm) instead.

Dazed and Confused;

1.) I'd take J.J., but only for a 1yr deal & for no more than $4mill per with playoff bonuses included to raise the stakes for him.

So other than that, I'll take Door #4 & let my melon clear up for the next few weeks 1st.

x6

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#70 Archaeologuy
May 08 2009, 01:24AM
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Oh man, i would be vibrating in my over-sized gold plated GM desk trying to make these moves.

1. Roy without question, Horton is a never-will-be. 2. Take the picks, Grebs is good, but expendable. 3. I would laugh at the Kings' offer and say only a fool would make that trade 4. Malone is the best player available but his Cap hit is bigger than his benefit to the team. I'm goin off the board and using O'Sullivan to move up in the draft, need to jetison salary somehow. 5. Dont sign Kotalik or a RFA 6. Use that money not spent on Kotalik to sign Beauchemin AND Komaisarek (lost the 2nd pair in deals and RFA offer sheet, just got it back with a bang) 7. Take Roli at 2 mill a season for 2 years and hope JDD or Dubnyk turns into something better in the meantime. 8. ~i would never trade Nilsson~ Pack your bags you little twerp! Call me when you can grow a respectable moustache. 9. Clear my head, then send Oren Koules a Text Message offering him Steve Staios and Penner for St. Louis and hope that guy continues his wicked trend of TERRIBLE hockey decisions. I would even offer to have Penner tranquilized in order to tatoo a SAW 5 poster on his forehead if it would help.

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#71 Sour in Van
May 08 2009, 04:55AM
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Great thread!!! First the Canucks parade (they plan one every time the Canucks go up a game in the series) had to get cancelled and now I get to come home to read this!!!

I would love to see Roy in an Oiler uniform. He would be a great fit beside Hemmer. I have said for a while that we are a playoff team when Horc is carrying our 2nd line. Zajac would be my first choice, but I hate the idea of giving up picks. So, move Gilbert for Roy. No need for grit on the first line, just want some freaking pucks in the net and Hemmer to realize his full 90+ pt. potential.

Let the Leafs sign Grebsy - I like him, but he is raw talent and "given the Leafs recent performance, I expect those to be excellent picks". Take the picks and move on. He can be replaced.

Keep Lubo - even though we did trade away exactly what we needed on the ice to get him.

I love Patty O - saw him play in Houston when I was there a few years ago and he is truly a pure hocky player. That being said, Malone is EXACTLY what we need on the wing with Horc - size, grit, leadership, willingness to drop the gloves. So, I take the deal, bite my lip and hope the kid doesn't score 30 next year and hope he gets 55 points and Horc pushes 70. Steve Ott is the dirtiest player in the league (voted on by his peers) and I don't think that is the type of "grit" we need. I feel the same way about TooToo - most overrated sack of pucks in the league.

Obviously, I now have to sign Komisarik as I have some gaps to fill and - instagrit.

Again, I am not a fan of giving up picks when we have such a young team, so I think about resigning Kotalik, loved the way he looked during the stretch. Then I think...well, Nilsson is lost in his own end anyway...might as well put him with Hemmer and Roy and see if they can put up some points.

I love the way Roli has battle for us, but...time to let JDD and Dubnyk see some NHL pucks. Hopefully our new coach will employ a style that puts a lot of pucks in the net. Because, boy, if Tambo takes my advice, we are gonna need them.

My lines are now:

Nilsson Roy Hemmer Malone Horc Gagner Penner Cogs Pisani Moreau Pouliot Brodziak

Souray Komisarik Visnovsky Staois Smid Peckham Strudwick

Booyah! We are bigger, more talented and grittier than last year.

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#72 Sour in Van
May 08 2009, 05:06AM
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Ok,upon further review...I resign Roli, play him 50. Leave Dubnyk in Springfield and hope Springfield can get better. And I try to move one of JFJ or Stortini and hang on to McIntyre as my secret weapon.

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#73 Mark
May 08 2009, 06:58AM
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1) Horton, though Roy is a better hockey player, he's small and has a lot of the symptoms of small players.

2) Match it. With Gilbert gone, you would have to be deeply misguided to let Grebeshkov go for a mere 1st, 2nd, 3rd. He's worth as much as Gilbert is, anyway.

3) You throw that offer away the second you get it, and don't think about it ever again. I don't care that Stoll had a nice season in LA or that Greene probably had a career year, Visnovsky is an elite defenseman. Top-15 in the game, probably the single best defenseman in the North West at the moment, IMHO.

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#74 BUCK75
May 08 2009, 07:25AM
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I would love to see Cogliano go. He has great wheels & hands, but if he isn't willing to play on the wing he is redundant. I would love Ott, he may be 'on the edge' with his play, but he plays the right way & is a great interview listening to him on JAG.

Komisarek would be huge on our back end, as a second pairing. I think they tried to get him to do too many things in Montreal. Play him as the shut-down guy, keep him off of the PP.

Drew Stafford would look great here too - remember the hat trick he scored against us?

I don't think we need Hossa or Jagr. We already have a 7 million dollar player, how could we afford another one?

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#75 Dizzle
May 08 2009, 07:27AM
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I believe in the K.I.S.S. (keep it simple, stupid) method.

Defence 1. Out of the D-men, trade the d-man who A.) Will not outperform his contract B.) is a cap anchor compared to what he brings. That man is Steve Staios. Trade him for whatever...a third?

The d-lines would then be Souray Visn Grebs Gilbert Smid Peck Strudz (resign him as a cheap 7 d-man option)

Forwards

1. Trim the Fat. Send out Rowbert Nillson and Pouliot to MTL for Halak or Minny for Harding...more may need to be added to even things out but it is a good start.

2. Yes you sign Jagr, only because it seems inevitable that it is going to happen.

3. You sign Maholtra because Tambo needs to live up to him promise of size.

Penner Horc Hemmer O'Sully Gagner Jagr Moreau Maholtra Pisani Jaques Cogs Storts Reddox Brodz

Goalie 1. We already traded for one of Halak or Harding (I prefer Halak only because of the cap hit)

2. We need a vet goalie for about 1 -1.2 million. I do not believe that JDD should be the backup because Halak and harding do not have the experience to show that they can run the show. We do not need a repeat of Conks and Markannen where everyone thought we needed to give them a chance.

P.S. If we trade for Harding then we cannot afford Maholtra, so Halak is definitly the best option.

Draft.

Use our plethora of prospects to move up in the draft to 8th and hope that one of the top 7 drops.

That is all.

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#76 Malc
May 08 2009, 07:35AM
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One guy the Oilers should target for the third line C is Steckel in Washington. I would also do the Byfuglien deal in a heartbeat. And if I was targeting Nashville, I would probably opt for Joel Ward rather than Tootoo. If you couldn't get Steckel, i'd take the Los Angeles do over as well.

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#77 Robin Brownlee
May 08 2009, 07:35AM
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@ Dizzle: Epic fail. Play the game using the options provided. There's a million threads where you can make any move you want. This isn't one of them.

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#78 Robin Brownlee
May 08 2009, 07:37AM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Robin So you’re offered Brent Seabrook and Andrew Ladd for Andrew Cogliano and Tom Gilbert. You’re Tambellini, what do you do?

I run to fax machine like my hair is on fire and I sign that deal before Dale Tallon realizes he's fallen down the stairs and hit his head.

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#79 B.C.B.
May 08 2009, 08:25AM
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Shop Gilbert once we have Grebs under contract, not before . . . If Grebs gets an offer sheet of 4 million, I'll take the 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks, and keep Gilbert.

No to all the trading involving O'Sullivan or Cogs . . . but package one of those two (Cogs, IMO) and Gilbert (or the extra 1st we have), and another 1st for a Star Player under contract. something like: Cogs, Gilbert, 2010 1st, 2009 2nd, Petry for Crosby/Malkin or Cogs, 2010 Toronto 1st, 2090 Oilers 2nd for Kolvechuck (if he agrees to sign an extension).

Failing that RFA offer sheet for Tuomo Ruutu. UFA Mike Komisarek is the best option. Jordin Tootoo for Robert Nilsson is done in a heart beat. No to two years on Roli. Jagr if the big trade can't be worked out (and still trade Gilbert, but no Cogs).

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#80 Ogden Brother
May 08 2009, 08:26AM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Robin So you’re offered Brent Seabrook and Andrew Ladd for Andrew Cogliano and Tom Gilbert. You’re Tambellini, what do you do?

Speaking of Seabrook, he hasn't quite looked Norris calibre so far against the Nucks.

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#81 Cam
May 08 2009, 08:27AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

RossCreek wrote: I run to fax machine like my hair is on fire and I sign that deal before Dale Tallon realizes he’s fallen down the stairs and hit his head.

lol Coffee out the nose... this site is great.

I agree completely

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#82 RossCreek
May 08 2009, 08:48AM
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Thanks Robin. Just stirring up some old controversy's here on ON. Rite OB and Arch lol. Your response says it all RB.

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#83 Ogden Brother
May 08 2009, 09:00AM
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@ RossCreek:

And you are still missing the point.

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#84 Archaeologuy
May 08 2009, 09:06AM
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@ RossCreek: I still disagree

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#85 Mike Krushelnyski
May 08 2009, 09:17AM
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B.C.B. wrote:

No to all the trading involving O’Sullivan or Cogs . . . but package one of those two (Cogs, IMO) and Gilbert (or the extra 1st we have), and another 1st for a Star Player under contract. something like: Cogs, Gilbert, 2010 1st, 2009 2nd, Petry for Crosby/Malkin or Cogs, 2010 Toronto 1st, 2090 Oilers 2nd for Kolvechuck (if he agrees to sign an extension).

That sounds pretty good, but I would prefer to package them up for the keys to the fountain of youth so we can bring back 23 year old Wayne Gretzky who would be a better fit on the first line IMO.

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#86 Archaeologuy
May 08 2009, 09:23AM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski: Someone has his thinking pants on today!

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#87 RossCreek
May 08 2009, 09:25AM
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OB - What do you mean I'm missing the point? Arch - Everybody's got a democratic right to be wrong ;-)

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#88 Archaeologuy
May 08 2009, 09:30AM
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@ RossCreek: One of the many downfalls of Democracy.

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#89 smytty777
May 08 2009, 09:46AM
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My thoughts: The Backend: 1. Roy 2. Match while claiming Burke is running the Leafs into the sewer 3. Never

The Seven Dwarves: 1. Take Ryan Malone and his terrible contract 2. No 3. No

Money Talks: 1. Clemmensen and Beauchemin 2. Sorry Roli time to enjoy the lovely fans in Philly 3. Absolutely, if only to prevent Tootoo from further injuring other Oilers

Dazed and Confused: If you have accomplished the above then let your head clear.

Penner-Horc-Hemmer (primary scoring/tough minute line) Malone-Roy-Pisani (tough sledding line) Pouliot-Gagner-Cogliano (soft as butter matchups) Tootoo-Brodz-Storts/Moreau (injure the opposition line)

Souray-Beauchemin (shut-down) Vish-Grebs (primary puck movers) Smid-Staios (limited minutes) Peckham

Clemmensen (52 games) JDD (30 games)

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#90 Mike Krushelnyski
May 08 2009, 09:49AM
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smytty777 wrote:

2. Match while claiming Burke is running the Leafs into the sewer

Bonus points if you call Luke Schenn a terrible pick and then he has an amazing next season.

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#91 Archaeologuy
May 08 2009, 09:55AM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Bonus points if you call Luke Schenn a terrible pick and then he has an amazing next season.

yeah, calling Ryan a "questionable" pick was a pretty bold move from a guy who Drafted Pouliot and Niinimaki in the 1st rounds. Ugh.

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#92 Drago
May 08 2009, 10:30AM
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The Back End: 1. Gilbert for Roy 2. Don't match the offer sheet for Grebeshkov, thank Burke for the picks 3. Respectfully decline the Visnovsky do-over

The Seven Dwarfs: 1. Cogliano for Ott 2. Re-sign Kotalik 3. Don't offer any offer sheets

Money Talks: 1. Sign Mike Komisarek 2. Decline Dwayne Roloson, if he doesn't accept a one year contract then let him walk. Snap up a cheap, veteranish back up to mentor JDD such as Brian Boucher. 3. Nilsson for Tootoo in a heartbeat

Dazed and Confused: 4. Let your head clear

Kotalik-Roy-Hemsky Penner-Gagner-O'Sullivan Moreau-Horcoff-Pisani Ott-Brodziak-Tootoo Reddox-MacIntyre

Souray-Komisarek Visnovsky-Smid Staios-Peckham Strudwick

JDD & Brian Boucher

Thats a pretty solid team and 4 lines that can be rolled on a consistent basis. The 3rd line has the POTENTIAL to be one of the most effective checking lines in hockey and that 4th line would make many a team uncomfortable to play against. Hemsky has 2 scorers playing with him and the 2nd line hopefully can gel into an effective line.

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#93 ChiliChunk
May 08 2009, 10:36AM
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Back End

1. Hartnell for Gilbert 2. match Grebs offer since traded Gilbert 3. keep Lubo

Seven Dwarves

1. Byfuglien for O'Sullivan (would prefer Malone but too much $) 2. No Kotalik and no offersheet to Buffalo 3. No offersheets

Money Talks

1. Malhotra 2. bye bye Roli 3. Tootoo for Nilsson

Dazed and Confused

1. Jagr

Leaves me with the following.

Cogliano Jagr Hemsky Hartnell Horcoff Gagner Byfuglien Malhotra Pisani Moreau Brodziak Tootoo

Souray Grebs Smid Lubo Peckham Staios

??? Deslauriers

Then realizing I have a lot of extra forwards and no starting goaltender I trade Penner/Pouliot to ANA for Giguere.

Now with my head spinning from the above whirlwind of activity I wonder why I didn't just go with my original can't miss, sure thing, guaranteed plan of calling up Shero in PITT after they got knocked out by WASH and showing him the light that he'll never win the cup with 2 guys eating so much of the payroll. And since he needs a more balanced lineup I generously offer up Gagner, Gilbert, O'Sullivan and Eberle for Malkin. I'm such a nice guy I would help him out like that. Heck I'd even throw in Schremp...

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#94 Bill Peters Bandwagon
May 08 2009, 10:50AM
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the back end

1.hartnell..... his hair is more edmonton than gilbys 2. send bruno..... its the right thing to do... no offer sheet needed 3. no.... the oil only do the do over thing when the other team has exhausted the useful years of the ones they traded away

the dwarves 1. dustin alphabet... his skull looks capable of deflecting a studley bomblauncher riser 2.no... no 3. zajak

money 1. manny 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S4nSzE4N-o&feature=related Bill Burr on Philly fans

3.no.....

Dazed and confused

4. with bruno ...... Fuente Opus X.... Aberlour Abunadh.... pondering what a freaking mess this is and decides to make the best of it.

poor tambo...

~that sweden/czech game yesterday must have been enlightening~

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#95 Chris
May 08 2009, 11:06AM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

I'm having problems with your game. If I were Tambellini I wouldn't take ANY of the above deals for Gilbert untill I had Grebs safely under contract... for two reasons:

1)I do not want to replace more than one of my top four D-men

2)I'm not exactly deep in right shooting d-men.

Horton is an intreaging player, but he is not ready to be a number one center. (And my text from Katz makes it clear I have to win NOW) Gagner is my number two, and I want a more defensivly savey third line center who can win more than 45% of his draws.

Hartnell, though usefull, is expensive and a bit of a stretch at first line L.W.

Roy is too small, when you consider my stated goal is to get bigger/grittier up front.

Do I HAVE to make one of those three deals?

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#96 Chris
May 08 2009, 11:31AM
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Well its probably against the rules but:

The Back End. 1) I keep Gilbert. (I only have two other legit right shooting D-men under contract) 2) I let Grebs go and take the picks. I give myself a pat on the back for not dealing away Gilbert BEFORE having Grebs under contract. (It's not a mistake Tambellini will make) I'm deep on that left side anyway and could use the picks. 3) I keep Lubo. He is key if I'm ever going to sort out the special teams.

The Seven Dwarves 1) I deal O'Sullivan for Bygfulin. Similar contracts and I like Bygfulin's size, grit, and versitility (He can play either L.W. or Defence) 2) & 3) I go hard after Travis Zajac. He IS the answer as a third line center.

*I'm not sure how the game works from here. Do I assume I get Zajak? If I don't it affects which UFA I target.*

Money Talks 1) I target Beauchemin. I need to replace Grebeshkov. Beauchemin has a great shot and can play top four minutes with Gilbert and on the second unit PP. 2) I sign Roli; but only because the ONLY other option Robin made available was Clemmenson. (Clemmenson is a Dubnyk clone IMO) 3) TOOTOO in a heartbeat. The guy is a little douche, but Nilsson has got to go... and I'm surprised at the high level of return.

Dazed and Confused.

I let my head clear. The owner wants to make a splash? Too bad. Hossa will probably sign with Detroit anyway... besides I want to see what a new coach can do with this group.

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#97 Chris
May 08 2009, 12:21PM
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I would challenge all of the above posters to look at your lineups and consider the cap implications. In my very conservative scenario, by which I wasn't even able to properly address the need for a legit top six forward; I STILL ran into cap problems.

Assuming it would cost only $10 million to sign Zajak, Beauchemin, Smid, and Brodziak... my team complete with guys like Pouliot, MacIntyre, JF Jaques, etc who are still under contract: comes in at $62 million bucks. I'm not sure where some of you other guys find the money to sign Hartnell, Malone, or Jager...

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#98 Drago
May 08 2009, 01:16PM
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Chris wrote:

I would challenge all of the above posters to look at your lineups and consider the cap implications.

My total cap hit for my team is $57.412 mil assuming Kotalik signs for a $2.5mil cap hit, Brodziak for a $0.900mil cap hit, Reddox to a $0.600mil cap hit, Komisarek to a $5.0mil cap hit, Smid to a $2.0mil cap hit, Strudwick to a $0.650mil cap hit and Boucher to a $1.0mil cap hit.

While the team would have question marks with the 5-7 defensemen and an unknown goaltending tandem, the stacked forward lines would be enough to offset the issues.

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#99 Chris
May 08 2009, 01:43PM
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@ Drago: My scenario would also work if I sign Clemmenson instead of Roli and was able to get Beauchemin for less than a 4.5 cap hit. I could have traded Gilbert for Hartnell and then matched the Grebs offer but then I would have 5 left shooting D-men under contract and only two right shooting d-men (Lubo and Staios)

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#100 spOILer
May 08 2009, 02:52PM
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THE BACK END

1. You’ve decided to shop Tom Gilbert – The Buffalo Sabres offer Derek Roy. – The Philadelphia Flyers offer Scott Hartnell. – The Florida Panthers offer Nathan Horton.

If we're going for grit AND size, Roy is eliminated. Hartnell is a LW, Horton a C/RW. We have no need for centres per se, but that flexibility is nice. All the incoming and the outgoing contracts are about the same and they're all long term. My inclination is to take the young guy because at 23 we likely haven't seen his peak yet, despite the deteriorating goal numbers. I like Hartnell though and wouldn't be upset to get him, but he'd have to play in the 1LW spot would be my guess. I gotta think Philly is shopping Lupul before Hartnell though. HORTON.

2. Brian Burke has tendered on offer sheet on Grebeshkov that’s worth $16 million over four years

I get TO's 1st, 2nd and 3rd this draft? DONE!!! I'd be on the phone to Snow and Lawton within minutes.

3. The Los Angeles Kings offer a do-over on last summer’s trade

Having just lost Gibby and Grebs, NO WAY!

7 DWARVES

1. You’re listening to offers for Patrick O’Sullivan and Andrew Cogliano: – Tampa Bay offers Ryan Malone for O’Sullivan. – Chicago offers Dustin Byfuglien for O’Sullivan. – Dallas offers Steve Ott for Cogliano.

I'm a little confused here since we still have a Dustin Penner to deal with. Only Ott solves the problem of 3C checker, but I'm not trading Cogs for a player off that tree, not a chance. These kind of players are readily available too -- Pahlsson, Madden, Maholtra, Peca, Marchant, Reasoner, Bonk, Laperriere -- nope that's a crazy trade.

O'Sullivan is a useful player and young and developing, but obviously these are two deals we'd need to consider. If I pick up Malone, Penner must be the 2LW with Gagner and Horton, and at $4.5M he's a better cap hit than UFA options like Havlat, Hossa, D.Sedin, etc. and he actually plays LW. We keep Rowbert and field the Sons of Guns Line... LOL. Malone is a horrible passer, but can handle the toughs defensively.

Byfuglien is damn interesting too, can play D, and is having a great play-offs. Toughest of the bunch. But he may never be the goal-scorer Malone is. POS seems a lot to give up for Buffy, although at 24 now, POS looks like he's never going to be a 25+ goals a yr guy either.

MALONE would be the best value back of the options available. But I'm iffy on the deal. I'd likely wait to see what July 1 brings and use this as my backup option to failing there.

2. You’ve got $10 million to spend. Do you offer UFA Ales Kotalik a new deal for three years or do you send an offer sheet on RFA Drew Stafford for four years at $10 million? 3. If not Stafford, would that offer sheet be better spent on Tuomo Ruutu of Carolina or Travis Zajac of New Jersey?

I'm not sure I have $10M to spend on forwards since I'm missing a 3D and 4D with the loss of Gilbert and Grebs. Nor do I think $2.5M a year would bring any of these players, esp Zajac since NJD has no cap issues next year and will match easily for their 1C and thank you all the way to the bank (if you could even get that player to sign that low of a sheet).

I don't really need another forward if I have Horton, Malone (or UFA), and Penner is still on the team, so Kotalik walks.

Money Talks

1. Who’s the best target? – Mike Komisarek. – Francois Beauchemin – Manny Malhotra – Scott Clemmensen

Komisarek definitely if I can sign him to a reasonable deal. I'm no longer paying Gilbert or Grebs, so if I can get him for $4M I'm a happy camper. Considering that's in line with contrcts like Phillips, Volchenkov etc, could be do-able.

Malhotra I am definitely interested in for 3C. Cheaper and less headaches than Steve Ott. Good wheels, good FOs, kills penalties, depth scoring.

Clemmenson... I think we can do better, see Roli comment below.

2. Dwayne Roloson tells you he’ll re-sign for $4 million over two years. Do you give him the extra season he wants or do you say, “Thanks, and good luck in Philadelphia?”

Plenty of goalie options available. I'd likely say sayonara if it's a two year deal.

3. Nashville wants more skill and you want more grit. The Predators offer you pugnacious and noted serial-charger Jordin Tootoo for sometimes-slacker Robert Nilsson. Do you make that trade?

I now have too many top 6 LWs, and don't need either Nilsson or Tootoo.

Dazed and Confused

1. Buy out Jagr’s contract with Omsk and give him a two-year contract worth $10 million 2. Re-visit the Marian Hossa sweepstakes. 3. Trade one-third of the roster to free up enough cap space to acquire Daniel and Henrik Sedin. 4. Let your head clear.

Not a big fan of any of these options. Hossa and Jagr prefer RW... do we move Hemsky to LW or C? Jagr I don't believe wants to leave Omsk, he'd prefer to play out his deal. Wings have no room for Hossa so he's moving, and I'd love to have him, but not for 1LW, I'd want him on RW. Still the cost and length of contract it would take would be an albatross for years. As for the Sedins, I see no need to have playmakers Henrik and Hemmer playing on the same line. If I get the Sedins, Hemmer would have to move to 2RW or learn to score more goals. And I'd need to find takers for Horcoff, Penner, Nilsson, and Cogs.

And I don't want to pick Door #4 as I'd still be kicking tires on Gaborik, Havlat, JBo, Cammalleri, Tanguay, etc.

My assets:

MALONE HORCOFF HEMSKY PENNER GAGNER HORTON MOREAU MALHOTRA PISANI JACQUES BRODZ STORTINI NILSSON COGLIANO

SOURAY VISH KOMI SMID STAIOS PECK STRUD

JDD LEAFS 1ST (6TH) 2ND AND 3RD OILER 1ST (10TH)

OK. So excluding Cogs and Nilsson's contracts I'm at about $49M, need to improve the D and find goaltending. I'm a helluva lot bigger, but slower too. If I can dump Cogs for Halak, Nilsson for bag of pucks, and sign Hal Gill, I'm okay with it, but offense on the back end is real thin and Halak aint proved nothing yet. In light of that, I'd scrap the Horton deal, play Cogs at 2RW, keep Gilbert, forget about JBo and Gill and go find me a goalie.

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