Armchair GM V: housekeeping items

Robin Brownlee
June 01 2009 01:42PM

Even with the hiring of head coach Pat Quinn, associate coach Tom Renney and assistant Kelly Buchberger taken care of, Oilers GM Steve Tambellini has a full plate these days.

The first order of business for Tambellini right now is schmoozing and setting the table for possible deals down the road at a meeting of general managers in Pittsburgh over the next couple of days.

While we media types refer to trades made at the NHL Entry Draft as, duh, draft-day deals, the feeling out process begins weeks ahead of time when the GMs get together to kick tires as to what-ifs and possibilities with an eye to when everybody gets together again at the draft.

Given the significant tweaks Tambellini is looking to make to the roster, the glad-handing, huddling and casual inquiries that mark these gab sessions will be particularly important before the draft begins in Montreal.

Hey, big spender, can I buy you a drink?

Looking ahead

If Tambellini manages to package up (unload), say, a Robert Nilsson and a Rob Schremp for pucks, I mean picks, chances are the seeds of that deal will be sown in Pittsburgh before the action heats up down on St. Catherines Street in Montreal.

Same thing if Tambellini is looking to move up in draft order from the 10th spot. I know, it never happens with the Oilers, but there's no harm in asking what it might take to slip into the top five, and Tambellini will do his due diligence on that front.

Likewise, you can bet Tambellini will ask around about players who might fit into one of his top six-forward spots, preferably on left wing. Would making a defenceman like, say, Tom Gilbert (you knew this was coming) and a leader of men like Ethan Moreau available be the start of a meaningful discussion before things get busy on the draft floor?

You'd have to be profoundly dense not to understand Tambellini has depth on the blue line and that, jettisoning spare parts aside, the most likely move is that he'll use that depth to attempt to fill that top six spot.

The checklist

From what I understand, Tambellini will wrap up the GM schmoozefest and jet to Kelowna to oversee meetings with assistant GM Kevin Prendergast and the amateur scouting staff in preparation for the draft.

Aside from going over his staff's draft list -- who is this Turkish goalie we've got rated No. 10? -- Tambellini has his work cut for him in the next 10 days. In no particular order:

-- What about naming a head coach in Springfield? I'd be stunned if it isn't Rob Daum, but I'm going strictly by common sense and the job Daum did at the end of last season despite being saddled with, essentially, an ECHL roster, especially on defence. Indications are we won't hear anything on the Springfield front until next week.

-- What about adding a second assistant to the coaching staff? People are already guessing about who that might be, but I haven't heard one firm word from anybody who calls the shots that the decision has even been made to go with a staff of four.

-- Who replaces video coach Brian Ross, a Craig MacTavish hire who was let go with assistants Charlie Huddy and Bill Moores?

-- What happens with goaltending coach Pete Peeters?

-- Does Rod Phillips come back for his 37th season as radio play-by-play man or does he hand the microphone over to Bob Stauffer?

When I know, you'll know.

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#51 Austin Ayala
June 01 2009, 08:38PM
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RUMOUR:

To FLA: Tom Gilbert To EDM: Rights to Jay Bouwmeester

Dear Rob Brownlee, please fill us in with your connectedness. Thanks homes.

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#52 Archaeologuy
June 01 2009, 09:03PM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

RUMOUR: To FLA: Tom Gilbert To EDM: Rights to Jay Bouwmeester Dear Rob Brownlee, please fill us in with your connectedness. Thanks homes.

Source?

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#53 Clarkenstein
June 01 2009, 09:22PM
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@ Archaeologuy: A wet dream.

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#54 Robin Brownlee
June 01 2009, 09:28PM
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@ Archaeologuy: Gilbert is way too much to give up just for the right to talk to Bouwmeester, which gaurantees a club nothing. Jay's agent, Bryon Baltimore, has already said Bouwmeester is going to wait for July 1 for the offers to come in, so giving up anything of note just to talk is a move that likely won't be worth it.

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#55 Archaeologuy
June 01 2009, 09:28PM
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@ Clarkenstein: I'm pretty sure that would be Gilbert for Crosby at less than 2 mill a season for the next 15 years.

or Gilbert for Megan Fox.

I cant tell which is less realistic.

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#56 Archaeologuy
June 01 2009, 09:30PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: That wasnt me. That was Austin Ayala. I completely agree with you about it being too much to give up just for the rights to someone who has never been a UFA before.

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#57 Robin Brownlee
June 01 2009, 09:34PM
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@ Archaeologuy: And, really, who is Austin Ayala? Pfft.

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#58 TonyT
June 01 2009, 09:57PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Hey Robin, Just wondering your thoughts on the Oilers possibly moving down? According to the Hockey News pre-draft rankings alot of the players around our no. 10 are offensive defensemen (which we supposedly have) and smallish playmaking forwards (which we have too many of). Would the Oilers consider moving down and picking up a power forward like Zach Kassian, or according to your sources are they drafting best available?

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#59 Robin Brownlee
June 01 2009, 10:17PM
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@ TonyT: BPA is always the way the Oilers go, even though it doesn't look that way sometimes. And if they want Kassian, they best not move down too far from No. 10. He's an interesting player and they like him. Plus, he's gone from 24 in the mid-term rankings for NA skaters to No. 10 in the final rankings. Kassian could easily go 10-15 overall.

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#60 Chris
June 01 2009, 10:26PM
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@ TonyT: I listened to a Stu MacGregor interview on Ched... of all the players discussed: Kassian was never mentioned.

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#61 rickithebear
June 01 2009, 10:30PM
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DBO wrote:

1.- If not then Souray for Clowe and a pick form SJ 2.- Make a run at Komisarek ($4.5 mill per year for 5 years)

1. Can you name the 6 Dmen who were 1st pairing(top 60) in all the key categories: EvenGA, Even Points, EvenGoals, PenKillGA, PP Points, PP Goals

Chara Weidmen Green Blake Seidenberg Souray

Talk about trading him high. Uh How much would it cost to get Dmen to cover the top 60 min all those categories.

2. I looked for Dmen who were top 50 PKGA, EVGA, and 3.6 RTSS(blocks and hits)/GM. There were 6 i can : M. Greene LA ( i do the vishnovsky trade every year) K. Seabrook CHI J. Hedja CLB (nice choice there kevin) K. Ballard FLD G. Zannon NSH D. Seidenberg CAR A. Volchenkov OTT

You notice no Komisarek! Zannon Please!

Can you name the Two Dmen first pairing in all categories and top 60 in Hits and blocks. Chara Seidenberg Hmmmmm I wonder who we should go after? f*** Bouwmeister!

Can you name how many Defence men were top 15 in points and goals against when there season ended. The answer is one: Lubomir Vishnovsky.

There were 7 offensive Dmen top 30 In EVPoints, PPPoints and top 60 in EVGA. Weidmen BOS Lidstrom DET Rafalski DET Blake SJ Markov MTL Green WSH Grebeshkov EDM

Do you get rid of one of the 6 most complete Dmen from last year. (Souray)

The only offensively and defensively elite Dman in the league. (Vish)

One of the seven most complete offesive dmen in the league. (Grebs)

Or one of the ten best offensively producing Dmen who toughed out the year with a bad back. (Gilbert)

You pick! I want to see guys heading to the 27YR -32 yr period.

I would move souray and vish if we can get Seidenberg and Zannon in UFA.

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#62 Robin Brownlee
June 01 2009, 10:32PM
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@ Chris: That sounds right. Outside an obvious top two or three pick, you'll never hear a team admit "We love this guy and we'll run to the microphone screaming his name if he's available when we pick."

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#63 Archaeologuy
June 01 2009, 10:37PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Robin, Is this the year the Oilers actually move up in the draft? They have too many forwards and some assets on the blue line, not to mention they're probably closer to the cap than they want to be. The farm team is incredibly weak (not that whoever's drafted will be able to play for Springfield anyway) and that makes the future seem so much less bright. Also, Moving up likely clears some Cap space so that Katz can make some more of those infamous Canada Day phone calls to UFAs like Hossa/Gaborik/Havlat.

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#64 TonyT
June 01 2009, 10:39PM
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@ Chris: I've never heard Kassian's name in Oiler circles either, but according to most descriptions of the Oilers pressing needs, Kassian fits the bill in my opinion.

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#65 Robin Brownlee
June 01 2009, 10:43PM
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@ Archaeologuy: There have been many years when I thought there were good reasons for them to move up and many times when they really pitched to do it, but there's lots of competition. Of course, all my experience covering the draft live was with Sather and Lowe. Maybe Tambellini can get it done. Who, outside the top three picks, is worth giving up assets for this June?

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#66 Archaeologuy
June 01 2009, 10:46PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Who, outside the top three picks, is worth giving up assets for this June?

Go big or go home i guess.

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#67 Ogden Brother
June 01 2009, 10:52PM
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If the Kassian comparisons to Lucic are correct, he'd really fit the bill here. A Kasian/Gagner/Eberle or Cogs line would be a nice poor mans version of Lucic/Savard/Kessel in Boston.

Note: Lucic was picked with the 2nd we traded for Samsonov :(

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#68 BigE57
June 01 2009, 11:02PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Aside from the Turkish goalie at no. 10 on the scouting list are there any rumors or whisperings on what the Oilers are going to do about goaltending. Are they going to wait and see if Rollie will settle for a one year deal or do they test the waters and bring in someone like Manny Fernandez or Craig Anderson who could split time with JDD? Is Martin Biron on the radar?

And befroe anyone mentions him, I personally don't think Scott Clemenson would be a great fit as I think he benefitted more from the style of play in New Jersey. Though the same could be said for Rollie when he came from Minnesota.

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#69 heavyd
June 01 2009, 11:13PM
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TonyT wrote:

@ Chris: I’ve never heard Kassian’s name in Oiler circles either, but according to most descriptions of the Oilers pressing needs, Kassian fits the bill in my opinion.

I see, so you must be more connected then brownlee is. Do you have any inside information?

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#70 speeds
June 01 2009, 11:32PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

@ TonyT: BPA is always the way the Oilers go, even though it doesn’t look that way sometimes. And if they want Kassian, they best not move down too far from No. 10. He’s an interesting player and they like him. Plus, he’s gone from 24 in the mid-term rankings for NA skaters to No. 10 in the final rankings. Kassian could easily go 10-15 overall.

Stop making me nervous Robin.

I think Kassian is a decent prospect, but I don't think there's enough there to justify passing on a guy like Schroeder.

I'm a big fan of picking the BPA, so I don't mind picking a guy like Schroder to begin with even if he's another small forward.

The problem with passing on a guy like Schroeder is that his potential is better or as good as any of the small forwards EDM already has. Not to mention that, by the time he's NHL ready, the roster composition might well have changed enough for it to not be a huge problem to add another small skilled forward.

I'd be disappointed if EDM selected Kassian, in the sense that, IMO, there are numerous better prospects available at 10. that isn't to say that he'd have no potential to work out, of course, just that I don't think he's the best bet available at 10.

As for the Oilers picking the BPA historically, I don't know if I can agree having read this Guy Flaming article which suggests both the Deslauriers and Dubnyk picks were need based picks. I certainly hope they pick via BPA going forward.

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#71 Sandra Blood
June 01 2009, 11:33PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Austin Ayala wrote: RUMOUR: To FLA: Tom Gilbert To EDM: Rights to Jay Bouwmeester Dear Rob Brownlee, please fill us in with your connectedness. Thanks homes. Source?

This would happen if Lowe is still in charge. Go Tambil

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#72 BigE57
June 01 2009, 11:42PM
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Sandra Blood wrote:

This would happen if Lowe is still in charge.

Don't kid yourself Kevin Lowe is still the captain of this ship, he's just got a new admiral to respond too.

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#73 TonyT
June 02 2009, 12:02AM
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heavyd wrote:

TonyT wrote: @ Chris: I’ve never heard Kassian’s name in Oiler circles either, but according to most descriptions of the Oilers pressing needs, Kassian fits the bill in my opinion. I see, so you must be more connected then brownlee is. Do you have any inside information?

Yeah, me and Ecklund do laundry together every Thursday. (e5)

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#74 Sandra Blood
June 02 2009, 12:23AM
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TonyT wrote:

heavyd wrote: TonyT wrote: @ Chris: I’ve never heard Kassian’s name in Oiler circles either, but according to most descriptions of the Oilers pressing needs, Kassian fits the bill in my opinion. I see, so you must be more connected then brownlee is. Do you have any inside information? Yeah, me and Ecklund do laundry together every Thursday. (e5)

So now we owe you 20 bucks membership for sharing that (e5)

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#75 german titov
June 02 2009, 01:40AM
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I play left wing. And would come out of semi-retirement to sign for the NHL average salary.

Seriously. Pass it on.

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#76 Robin Brownlee
June 02 2009, 06:47AM
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speeds wrote:

As for the Oilers picking the BPA historically, I don’t know if I can agree having read this Guy Flaming article which suggests both the Deslauriers and Dubnyk picks were need based picks. I certainly hope they pick via BPA going forward.

You're right in these instances, but these picks came when the cupboard was devoid of prospects in goal. It was ridiculous how organizationally thin the Oilers were at that position.

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#77 Robin Brownlee
June 02 2009, 06:49AM
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@ german titov: Do you still play with the passion and dedication you showed the last time you donned Oilers silks? The team still wants the money they paid you the first time back.

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#78 Chris
June 02 2009, 09:32AM
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speeds wrote:

I’m a big fan of picking the BPA, so I don’t mind picking a guy like Schroder to begin with even if he’s another small forward.

The BPA concept is generally recognized as the "only" way to go... particularly in the first round. The theory being it's difficult to predict future needs, and the GM can later trade assets to achieve a balanced roster... One thing though; Has anyone noticed the dramatic decrease in trade activity under the new CBA? If this trend continues, teams will have to draft with more of an eye on need... What is the point in having five quality small centers in the organization if they are untradeable? I'm not saying the BPA concept is incorrect or obsolete. What I am saying is that under the new CBA drafting the CORRECT player, someone who can actually help the organization making the pick, is becoming even more important than in the past.

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#79 DaveS
June 02 2009, 09:42AM
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What happened to the supposed Grebeshkov signing? It was reported last week that he had agreed to a term and $$ amount. Perhaps it's a trade in the works? Or a sign and trade? Any update Robin?

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#80 The Menace
June 02 2009, 09:44AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Note: Lucic was picked with the 2nd we traded for Samsonov

I don't know if you are doing this, but some people I know that bring this fact up argue that if the Oilers didn't make that trade, Lucic would have been an Oiler. That assumes that they would have made the same pick as Boston - who knows what might have happened.

Also, Samsonov was integral to the 06 run. would you trade that crazy run for an outside possibility that the Oilers would have drafted Lucic, which still guarantees you nothing?

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#81 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 09:50AM
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Chris wrote:

speeds wrote: I’m a big fan of picking the BPA, so I don’t mind picking a guy like Schroder to begin with even if he’s another small forward. The BPA concept is generally recognized as the “only” way to go… particularly in the first round. The theory being it’s difficult to predict future needs, and the GM can later trade assets to achieve a balanced roster… One thing though; Has anyone noticed the dramatic decrease in trade activity under the new CBA? If this trend continues, teams will have to draft with more of an eye on need… What is the point in having five quality small centers in the organization if they are untradeable? I’m not saying the BPA concept is incorrect or obsolete. What I am saying is that under the new CBA drafting the CORRECT player, someone who can actually help the organization making the pick, is becoming even more important than in the past.

I read somewhere that trades are pretty stable (and actually up in some cases) post lock out vs pre lock out.

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#82 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 09:51AM
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The Menace wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Note: Lucic was picked with the 2nd we traded for Samsonov I don’t know if you are doing this, but some people I know that bring this fact up argue that if the Oilers didn’t make that trade, Lucic would have been an Oiler. That assumes that they would have made the same pick as Boston - who knows what might have happened. Also, Samsonov was integral to the 06 run. would you trade that crazy run for an outside possibility that the Oilers would have drafted Lucic, which still guarantees you nothing?

Nope not "doing that" just stating that is who they ended up with.

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#83 myteammytown
June 02 2009, 10:10AM
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@ Austin Ayala:

you have a better chance seeing dustin penner belly up to a salad only buffet....

this isnt even eklund worthy...good god

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#84 speeds
June 02 2009, 10:24AM
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Chris wrote:

speeds wrote: I’m a big fan of picking the BPA, so I don’t mind picking a guy like Schroder to begin with even if he’s another small forward. The BPA concept is generally recognized as the “only” way to go… particularly in the first round. The theory being it’s difficult to predict future needs, and the GM can later trade assets to achieve a balanced roster… One thing though; Has anyone noticed the dramatic decrease in trade activity under the new CBA? If this trend continues, teams will have to draft with more of an eye on need… What is the point in having five quality small centers in the organization if they are untradeable? I’m not saying the BPA concept is incorrect or obsolete. What I am saying is that under the new CBA drafting the CORRECT player, someone who can actually help the organization making the pick, is becoming even more important than in the past.

I think drafting for need, if anything, makes more sense now that before the lockout. My sense is also that there are less trades during the regular season that pre-lockout, but given the liberalized free agency I don't think it's harder to fill a need than pre-lockout - it's pretty similar, maybe even easier now. There seems to be as much roster turnover now as there was pre-lockout.

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#85 speeds
June 02 2009, 10:39AM
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Sorry, that should read "I think drafting for need, if anything, makes less sense now than before the lockout."

Actually, I would just take that sentence out entirely if there was an edit function, it was part of another paragraph I deleted before posting as unnecessary, and also because I'm not sure it's really true, or what I believe to be true.

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#86 Chris
June 02 2009, 10:57AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

I read somewhere that trades are pretty stable (and actually up in some cases) post lock out vs pre lock out.

Do you have a source? This may be true... and I have no hard source of information to counteract this argument; but I have a few theories freshly pulled out of my @ss:

When I speak of trades I'm referring to classic "hockey" trades. IMO these are the types of trades that are way down. (I offer no proof... just my memory) The type of trade activity seen in todays game are ususally salary dumps, free agent signings, rent-a-player deals, and increased waiver wire action thanks to the new CBA. Many of these deals have very little "Hockey" merit; these events center around the business side of things. Also, legit trade activity during the season seems to have decreased. The Oilers, for example, made some deals over the summer. They also moved a pending UFA at the deadline. However, Tambellini was unable to make any "hockey" deals, mid season, to address even one of the many roster deficiencies.

As this relates to the BPA concept: If an organization drafts a goalie thinking said player is the BPA... it may be hard to trade other goalies in the organization as part of true "hockey" deals... and GM's need to keep this in mind. I'm not saying abandon the BPA concept altogether. I'm saying sometimes if two players are fairly close, let projected need be the desciding factor. (The definition of "fairly" should be up for debate.) Also it is wise for organizations to constantly review and update their organizational philosophe's regarding what type of player is "best". Personally, I think the Oilers undervalue size. Prospects can develop and improve their skating; they can refine their shot; but Eberle will never just develop size. IMO, the "new" NHL seems to be evolving back to the "old" NHL... I don't want the Oilers to be caught with thier pants down.

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#87 Chris
June 02 2009, 11:03AM
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@ speeds: "Liberalized Free-Agency" doesn't seem to benifit teams like Edmonton, or Buffalo... The Oilers can't count on attracting the necessary players, and typically have to overpay. Filling needs through the draft is particularly important for less attractive destination.

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#88 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 11:13AM
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@ Chris:

http://nhltradeshistory.blogspot.com/

For example, I counted 119 in 2008 but only 86 in 2001.

Now and then, the vast majority of trades are plug X for late round pick Y.

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#89 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 11:16AM
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@ Chris:

I posted a link.... for some reason it's held up in ON purgatory.

Anyways, as one example their were 119 trades in 2008 and only 86 in 2001....looking through the lists, the proportion of real player movement vs plug X for late pick Y seems to be roughly proportional.

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#90 speeds
June 02 2009, 11:25AM
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I'm not sure EDM has trouble signing UFA's only because they are Edmonton, though I have no trouble believing it's a factor. I would think they have a hard time because the team doesn't look like a powerhouse.

The problem with "drafting for need" is you can't fill needs through the draft in the short term, and your needs may well change by the time those prospects are ready (if they ever are). So why draft an inferior player if you don't know what your needs will be by the time they are ready to contribute?

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#91 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 11:27AM
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speeds wrote:

I’m not sure EDM has trouble signing UFA’s only because they are Edmonton, though I have no trouble believing it’s a factor. I would think they have a hard time because the team doesn’t look like a powerhouse. The problem with “drafting for need” is you can’t fill needs through the draft in the short term, and your needs may well change by the time those prospects are ready (if they ever are). So why draft an inferior player if you don’t know what your needs will be by the time they are ready to contribute?

Remember the mass exodus after the team went to the finals?

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#92 speeds
June 02 2009, 11:30AM
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not?

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#93 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 11:34AM
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speeds wrote:

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not?

No?

Pronger/Peca/Samsonov/Spacek all ran as quick as they could, I'm assuming Pisani must have made it clear he'd leave... maybe Horc as well.

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#94 Chris
June 02 2009, 11:37AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

Fair enough. I could be wrong about overall trade activity... But let us further examine the BPA concept: So the Oilers figured the BPA at 25th overall in 2005 was Cogliano. (Great Pick...Prendergast was right)Then the Oilers didn't have another first round pick until 2007 when they grabbed Gagner. (Another small center and also the absolute BPA) Both players are now up and contributing with the big club. Unfortunately, IMO, there isn't really room for both players on the roster. Each guy is ideal to slot in as second line center as neither guy has been effective on the wing, or in a checking/shutdown role. The true test and ultimate validation of the pure BPA concept: Can Tambellini get a different type of player with similar value, and quality to either Cogliano or Gagner to make the roster better? Does he have either the ability, or the will to do so? If he does not, in a stupid sort of way, the Oilers would have been better off last season had they drafted a Reasoner type player instead of Cogliano... Having lots of good players means nothing if you don't have the right mix. Just ask the pre-lockout Rangers.

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#95 Hemmertime
June 02 2009, 11:42AM
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@ Ogden Brother: In my eyes we have only ever targetted a handful of big name free agents. We never had the money in the past to be a part of the bidding war and trying to get players sweet on the city. They sold Pronger but just didn't warn him puck bunnies here make him >George Clooney or Ron Jeremy or Bill Cosby (the 3 sexiest men on the planet!) combined. Other than that, losing Hossa to Det isnt that bad a loss (though now talks like Pitts was #2 a change from July). The Souray year we failed to land the FW but landed one of the top D available. I do not believe we have as much negative as is rumored, it's just we can't expect to be first choice when Detroit rings up with similar money. I think we would be behind Group A: NYR, Det, TOR, handful of other personal preference for each player Eastern Conference EST teams for travel reasons. Group B: Everyone else, including Oilers. Group C: ATL, Tampa Bay (tho weather and overpayment helps), NYI - even they are debatable

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#96 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 11:42AM
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@ Ogden Brother: Fair enough. I could be wrong about overall trade activity… But let us further examine the BPA concept: So the Oilers figured the BPA at 25th overall in 2005 was Cogliano. (Great Pick…Prendergast was right)Then the Oilers didn’t have another first round pick until 2007 when they grabbed Gagner. (Another small center and also the absolute BPA) Both players are now up and contributing with the big club. Unfortunately, IMO, there isn’t really room for both players on the roster. Each guy is ideal to slot in as second line center as neither guy has been effective on the wing, or in a checking/shutdown role. The true test and ultimate validation of the pure BPA concept: Can Tambellini get a different type of player with similar value, and quality to either Cogliano or Gagner to make the roster better? Does he have either the ability, or the will to do so? If he does not, in a stupid sort of way, the Oilers would have been better off last season had they drafted a Reasoner type player instead of Cogliano… Having lots of good players means nothing if you don’t have the right mix. Just ask the pre-lockout Rangers.

Ya, really good point. Though I think one of them hasn't been moved out of reluctance over the lack of ability to move him.

Swapping Cogs for say Volchenkov in Ott would be great.... unfortunatly their are a million moving parts to that.

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#97 Hemmertime
June 02 2009, 11:45AM
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Side note: Anyone one else really want a Jello Pudding now?

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#98 Chris
June 02 2009, 11:53AM
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@ speeds:

Where I am going with all this: If the Oilers, who are already deep on defencemen signed long term, draft Ellis... and end up later trading his rights for a Kassian type player to address their need for size; what is the difference? More importantly, what if they need that Kassian type player and are unable to make that trade? Obviously you always try to take the BPA; but is the player ranked 11th THAT much worse than the player ranked 10th? Also, organizational values come into play when creating the lists. When looking at the Oilers record the last twenty years, it may be time to review Organizational values. I like my Gagner, Cogliano example. If the Oilers try to muck through another year with Cogliano as the checking line center, it will prove to me that there are some pitfalls with the "pure" BPA concept. The pitfalls of drafting to need are well known; I just think it is important to acknowledge there may be pitfalls the other way as well.

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#99 Ogden Brother
June 02 2009, 11:54AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: In my eyes we have only ever targetted a handful of big name free agents. We never had the money in the past to be a part of the bidding war and trying to get players sweet on the city. They sold Pronger but just didn’t warn him puck bunnies here make him >George Clooney or Ron Jeremy or Bill Cosby (the 3 sexiest men on the planet!) combined. Other than that, losing Hossa to Det isnt that bad a loss (though now talks like Pitts was #2 a change from July). The Souray year we failed to land the FW but landed one of the top D available. I do not believe we have as much negative as is rumored, it’s just we can’t expect to be first choice when Detroit rings up with similar money. I think we would be behind Group A: NYR, Det, TOR, handful of other personal preference for each player Eastern Conference EST teams for travel reasons. Group B: Everyone else, including Oilers. Group C: ATL, Tampa Bay (tho weather and overpayment helps), NYI - even they are debatable

Well we've only really been in the postion to go after FA over the past two years (no $$$ forever and then had our "big name" spot filled through trade: Pronger/Peca). Supposedly we've gone after Gomez/Nylander/Kariya/Hossa/Parise with no luck. Also, Souray was hardly highly disirable.

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#100 speeds
June 02 2009, 11:55AM
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My memory is pretty fuzzy, but here goes. Pronger, sure, Spacek sure, Peca sure, though I don't know how anxious EDM was to meet his asking price either.

Pisani and Roloson signed and stayed. Laraque and Conklin both left as UFA's, but my recollection is EDM didn't want them back. EDM signed Reasoner, after trading him at the deadline. They signed Tjarnqvist. They also signed Sykora. I don't remember the story with Dvorak, did he want to come back to EDM? In any case, Dvorak didn't sign until mid SEPT.

Samsonov wasn't worth the money, Peca didn't generate a ton of interest either. Or, at least, he only signed a one year deal, with a big pay cut, to play in TOR.

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