What would you do for a Klondike Bar?

Jason Gregor
June 11 2009 09:54PM

Remember that jingle? This commercial illustrates just how easy it could be… If life was only this easy, imagine what your lady friend would do if you cleared the whole table??? Dare to dream boys, dare to dream. Of course remember once you set that precedent then you’ll be expected to do it again. So weigh your options. What would you do for Heatley Bar? That is the question many teams will ponder for the next three weeks, since I expect the Sens to trade the former Calgary Canuck before his $4 million signing bonus is due on July 1st. Oiler fans what would you give up for Heatley? While you ponder that, can you name the last Oiler to score 40 goals? (Answer at end of article). I bet many of you can’t recall the last Oiler to pot 40, and it’s doubtful you’ll remember the year. Hell, some of you were still in diapers. Yesterday I had Rob Daum, Perry Pearn and Clare Drake in studio. Daum had a great point about goal scoring. “It can change the outcome of a game more than any other element. It boosts your team, deflates the other, and can alter the entire game in a moment.” The Oilers haven’t had anyone who can do that with regularity in a long time, and it is clear that their owner recognizes that. I’ve been told that Daryl Katz is prepared to do whatever it takes to try and land Heatley. He has given Steve Tambellini the green light to put together a package that will ensure Bryan Murray doesn’t overlook them. That doesn’t mean he will grossly overpay for Heatley, rather, it seems that he would be willing to hide a salary in the minors come October if that’s what it takes. Let’s just clarify that it won’t be Horcoff or Penner, because that is too big a price to pay in the minors, plus putting either player there makes no sense. Basically the blessing is there for Tambellini not to worry about where everyone will fit when acquiring Heatley. It makes the GM’s job much easier if the owner gives him that sort of leeway. The Oilers are also very interested in trying to land Jay Bouwmeester. Could they land both? Highly unlikely because the odds of trading for a top-three goal scorer and signing a top-ten D-man in the span of ten days are near impossible, but Katz is willing to pull out all the stops to ensure they get one. Bouwmeester won’t cost any assets, but I’d still take Heatley over him right now. The Oilers have depth on the backend, but their scoring pool is thinner than Nicole Ritchie. You can argue that Heatley is a one-trick pony, but he is damn good at his one trick. He scores goals and he does it well. The Oilers sign him and you can mark him down for 40 goals. They don’t have anyone who is a sure bet to even score 30 right now. In the past four years he has scored 180 goals, 362 points and was a +82. Horcoff and Hemsky have combined for 151 goals in the same span. He has more career PP goals (99) than every Oiler has career goals, excluding Horcoff (120) and Moreau (136). Some argue he just finished an off year with 39 goals, but that still put him tied for 9th in the league and only one back of being tied for 5th. An off year for Heatley is a career year for 95% of the other players in the league. I don’t think it is trade for Heatley at any cost, because if you deal Hemsky that doesn’t leave Heatley much to play with, but every other player should be on the table. Regardless of who it will cost, the fact Katz has given his GM his blessing to make it happen, means the Oilers are not just in the mix, they might end up stirring the drink. ANSWER: Petr Klima was the last Oiler to score 40 when he potted 40 in 1990/1991. Here are the years the Oilers had a 30-goal man since Garbage Pail (Klima) potted 40: Smyth... 36... 2006 Comrie... 33... 2002 Smyth... 31... 2001 Guerin... 30... 1999 Smyth... 39 and Kovalenko 32... 1997 Ciger... 31... 1996 Arnott... 33... 1994 Klima... 32... 1993 Damphousse 38, and Murphy 35... 1992. Oilers had eight 20-goal scorers that year; Simpson 24, Mellanby 23, Klima 21, Nicholls 20, Buchberger 20 and Semenov 20.

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#1 Mike
June 11 2009, 10:05PM
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I'm with Katz whatever it takes to get Heater. And it's been 18 years since we had a 40 goal man. Gregor who else has had a streak that long?

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#2 Rob
June 11 2009, 10:08PM
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Lets get er done boys, bring Dany here already the Triple-H line will be born. Hemmer, Horc and Heater.

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#3 Prop Jay
June 11 2009, 10:09PM
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Gregor great blog. Bury nilsson and moreau and maybe that makes enough for both.

Tambo needs to go hard and somehow make it work.

Make up for all of the injustice we have suffered. Finally oil country would have something to look forward too.

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#4 Jonathan Willis
June 11 2009, 10:18PM
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That doesn’t mean he will grossly overpay for Heatley, rather, it seems that he would be willing to hide a salary in the minors come October if that’s what it takes. Let’s just clarify that it won’t be Horcoff or Penner, because that is too big a price to pay in the minors, plus putting either player there makes no sense. So, let's see, who else would have a big enough contract and be close enough to the door to end up in the minors.... Gotta be Robert Nilsson. The only other name that I could think of would be Steve Staios, and that I can't see.
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#5 Dan
June 11 2009, 10:20PM
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Chalk it up to a series of positive events.

Katz buys team. Katz hires Tambellini. Tambellini hires Quinn and Renney. Tambellini with Quinn and Renney make Edmonton a desirable place for Heatley.

Bringing in Heatley could potentially reel in JBO at a reduced rate and make Edmonton a desirable place to play once again.

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but the Oilers have done their due diligence and are doing things the right way from top to bottom. Regardless of what happens, the Oilers will get their massive upgrade player.

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#6 Archaeologuy
June 11 2009, 10:22PM
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Rob wrote:

Triple-H line will be born. Hemmer, Horc and Heater.

I prefer the sound of the Human Growth Hormone line of Heatley-Gagner-Hemsky.

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#7 Bar Qu
June 11 2009, 10:22PM
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Interesting take with an inside perspective. Thanks for the heads up.

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#8 charlieangels
June 11 2009, 10:24PM
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With Crawford out of the CBC booth does that clear the way for MacT to enter the booth? It appears no team has an interest in one of the best coaches in the NHL as I believe only Wild are the ones left to hire and if they wanted MacT they would of hired him already.

Any truth that MacT was looking to go to the KHL?

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#9 Archaeologuy
June 11 2009, 10:28PM
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charlieangels wrote:

It appears no team has an interest in one of the best coaches in the NHL

surely you speak not of MacT? Or were you referring to Dave Tippett, who is unquestionably a better coach than MacT and ought to be ahead of MacStifle on any coaching depth chart.

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#10 Jason Gregor
June 11 2009, 10:33PM
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The only team is Nashville. Arnott holds the Preds record for most goals in a season with 33 set this year.

Of course they have only played 10 seasons, so the Oilers have had the longest drought of any team without a 40 goal scorer. Just another reason why they need Heatley.

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#11 Roz
June 11 2009, 10:35PM
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I think Heater is the tough acquisition, Once we get him I think Bouwmeester would be more than willing to come home, at what price is the question.

I think Penner would play well with Spezza and Alfie. So if we could package up Penner, Grebs(Cheaper) and then a prospect and a pick. We would be close to breaking even cap wise.

Then all we have to do is convince Bowmeester to come home and sign for 6-7 mil per front loaded. I clearly haven't done all the math but it is plausible.

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#12 Ogden Brother
June 11 2009, 10:35PM
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The key line:

I’ve been told that Daryl Katz is prepared to do whatever it takes to try and land Heatley. He has given Steve Tambellini the green light to put together a package that will ensure Bryan Murray doesn’t overlook them.

That doesn’t mean he will grossly overpay for Heatley, rather, it seems that he would be willing to hide a salary in the minors come October if that’s what it takes. Let’s just clarify that it won’t be Horcoff or Penner, because that is too big a price to pay in the minors, plus putting either player there makes no sense.

Basically the blessing is there for Tambellini not to worry about where everyone will fit when acquiring Heatley. It makes the GM’s job much easier if the owner gives him that sort of leeway.

A pretty clear picture that all the complaining we do over money/contracts is completly pointless. It looks like Katz is willing to take advantage of salary cap "loop holes"

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#13 speeds
June 11 2009, 10:37PM
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The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of throwing a bunch of assets together to acquire Heatley.

He's heading downhill, statistically, the last two seasons. Obviously it's no given that it isn't simply a blip, and that he won't recover, but it's at least worth considering that he's past his peak as a hockey player. I'm not sure how likely it is, but it's certainly possible he never hits 50 goals or 100 points again.

How does he adjust leaving the Eastern conference, and Spezza/Alfredsson? How convinced should you be that, even if he's not heading downhill as a player, he retains his offence coming to Edmonton?

Can he outperform his contract? Are we sure EDM isn't better off looking for value in the UFA market this summer, with some teams perhaps not willing to make long-term contract commitments while it sounds like the Oilers are?

How sure are we that EDM isn't better offering 22 over 4 to Tanguay/35 over 5 at Gaborik, throwing the kitchen sink at Bouwmeester, and using some of the pieces you would have used to land Heatley to move up in the draft? Obviously the timelines are fuzzy here, because we don't know when/if? Heatley will be moved, what it'll take to move up, which potential UFA's will sign before July 1st, etc.

But as a general plan, and given the economic uncertainty, I think EDM's probably better off using their relative financial position this summer to land some quality UFA's. That isn't to say that if you can get Heatley at a reasonable/relatively cheap price you shouldn't do it, but I don't see Heatley as the only option available for EDM this summer.

At the moment I don't think I would be willing to go any further than Gilbert and O'Sullivan, and in some ways I think that is pushing it. Both are good/decent bets to live up to their contracts, and that may be a problem with some other EDM contracts. Is it that great an idea to give up those contracts to acquire another one that may end up being an overpay?

Both are young and either signed for 5 years (Gilbert) or under team control after their current contract. Both are still improving. Heatley is also signed for 5 more years, but there's no reason to think he's improving. If anything, there is also at least some reason to be concerned that he may be starting a slow descent - he wouldn't be the first goalscorer in NHL history to have peaked by 25-27 only to started sliding.

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#14 TonyT
June 11 2009, 10:37PM
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@ Jason Gregor: Hey Jason,

While I'm not gonna post a trade proposal for Heatley, although I'd trade anyone (except Hemsky), I would like to ask of the three players Oilersnation is coveting: Heatley, Bouwmeester, and Harding, what possible moves could be made to land all 3 in Oiler silks next season?

Also, Brownlee pointed out the hypocrisy of Oiler fans loving heatley and loathing Pronger. A big reason for my dislike of Pronger is that until that trade demand, a week earlier he had taken us to near euphoria and he himself had been the furthest ever towards his Stanley Cup aspirations and instead of us being excited for the next season we were low-blowed and still don't know why.

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#15 Jason Gregor
June 11 2009, 10:37PM
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charlieangels wrote:

Any truth that MacT was looking to go to the KHL

I haven't heard anything like that. I'd be stunned if he went to Russia rather than take a year off and get paid by the Oilers. Honestly why would he go there?

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#16 Librarian Mike
June 11 2009, 10:37PM
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Klima, eh? I thought it was down to Damphousse or Carson.

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#17 Ogden Brother
June 11 2009, 10:41PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

charlieangels wrote: It appears no team has an interest in one of the best coaches in the NHL surely you speak not of MacT? Or were you referring to Dave Tippett, who is unquestionably a better coach than MacT and ought to be ahead of MacStifle on any coaching depth chart.

You realize the team has typically been in the top half of goals scored in the conference during MacT's tenure... without one top 5 DP and not one guy brought in with a 35+ goal season on his resume from elsewhere, right?

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#18 Archaeologuy
June 11 2009, 10:45PM
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@ Ogden Brother: You are aware that he lead the Oilers out of the Playoffs on a consistent basis over the last 8 seasons and when he has made the playoffs it was never higher than 6th place.

That scoring bit will be a nice story to tell his grand kids one day though.

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#19 Ogden Brother
June 11 2009, 10:51PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: You are aware that he lead the Oilers out of the Playoffs on a consistent basis over the last 8 seasons and when he has made the playoffs it was never higher than 6th place. That scoring bit will be a nice story to tell his grand kids one day though.

Good grief man, how you can put so much credit/blame on one man in a team sport (with 25+ guys playing an important role in it)... especially when that one guy is standing in dress shoes.

Hemsky has been the offensive leader 3 straight years as the team missed the PO. Surely you think Hemsky has a bigger impact on the teams record then the coach does? But Hemsky gets the excuse of a poor support cast, yet you don't consider that when you judge MacT? Pretty hypocritical.

Why don't you break it down year by year and look at the team under vs over performing expectations. 07/08 team was a 11th/12th place team on paper, they were a lotto team with the injuries yet they finished a hair out of the playoffs.

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#20 speeds
June 11 2009, 10:53PM
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BTW, I know Gaborik is an injury risk, and that he's no given for 80 games a year. Before one was to commit that kind of money and term, you'd obviously have to look into his medical records, etc to make sure there isn't anything that looks to be horribly chronic before signing him.

He's an interesting risk to take though, healthy he's simply a better player than Heatley; it's just a matter of whether you are comfortable with his injury risk. If the Oilers aren't, I completely understand that, but I also think there's a decent chance that someone gets a pretty good deal signing Gaborik. I'm not convinced it would take the 35 over 5 from the last post, obviously that wouldn't likely be the first number you offer him, but then again who is to say what he gets once UFA season starts?

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#21 Archaeologuy
June 11 2009, 10:55PM
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@ Ogden Brother: I think you drastically underestimate the impact of coaching, but I can see this will lead nowhere. The NHL is about wins and MacT didnt average enough a season to be considered a great or perhaps even good coach. If he gets the opportunity to coach a team before next season I will be surprised. He has proven himself to be a middling coach, and that probably isnt good enough for too many GMs looking to hire the next Jack Adams winner.

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#22 Ogden Brother
June 11 2009, 11:01PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: I think you drastically underestimate the impact of coaching, but I can see this will lead nowhere. The NHL is about wins and MacT didnt average enough a season to be considered a great or perhaps even good coach. If he gets the opportunity to coach a team before next season I will be surprised. He has proven himself to be a middling coach, and that probably isnt good enough for too many GMs looking to hire the next Jack Adams winner.

did you look up the Blues improvement from last year to this year (and the Jack Adams nomination that came out of it) and compare it to the Oil from 2 years ago like I mentioned?

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#23 speeds
June 11 2009, 11:01PM
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regarding my last post, saying that Gaborik is "simply" a better hockey player than Heatley might be overstating it a bit.

I mean, I see Gaborik as a clearly better player than Heatley, but I can see how some would find that a little bit strong given Heatley's superior numbers.

I would be impressed if Heatley could have posted Gaborik's numbers in MIN, and if Gaborik couldn't have equalled/bettered Heatley's numbers in OTT.

That said, durability is a valuable trait for a player to have, and it can't be ignored in making decisions. But it's worth looking deeper into Gaborik's past to see what exactly is going on with his injuries.

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#24 Ogden Brother
June 11 2009, 11:02PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: I think you drastically underestimate the impact of coaching, but I can see this will lead nowhere. The NHL is about wins and MacT didnt average enough a season to be considered a great or perhaps even good coach. If he gets the opportunity to coach a team before next season I will be surprised. He has proven himself to be a middling coach, and that probably isnt good enough for too many GMs looking to hire the next Jack Adams winner.

I find it laughable that you'll argue all day long that Hemsky's support cast isn't good enough, yet you don't seem to be able to make the link to how that can affect a coaching record.

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#25 Jason Gregor
June 11 2009, 11:03PM
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@ speeds:

Are you serious that he is sliding...the year after he got 105 points he put up 82 in 71 games...If he didn't miss 11 games he scores 47 goals and 94 points. That isn't a major set back, with three less goals.

This year he slipped...almost every forty goal scorer has had an off year, and he missed by one, and his season was bad, but still a 72 point season. I'd suggest he returns to 80-90 points next year.

The other key thing about Heatley is he is durable. He has played 71 games six out of seven seasons, and played all 82 in four of those six.

He is 28 and far from falling off.

TonyT wrote:

I would like to ask of the three players Oilersnation is coveting: Heatley, Bouwmeester, and Harding, what possible moves could be made to land all 3 in Oiler silks next season?

None to get all three. It won't happen.

I don't sense the Oilers have much interest in Harding, but if they did it would cost a 2nd rounder. It could be worth the risk. I don't know if the Wild want to deal a young goalie to a divisional foe.

Bouwmeester is a UFA so no deal needs to be made if they choose to sign him. They clearly would need to deal one of their top four D-men, and dump some other salary if they get him.

I've already wrote what I think it will take to get in the running for Heatley...Gilbert, Cogliano and something...I don't think it is too much, but I'm not the GM who gets racked over the coals if it doesn't work out..ha

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#26 Ted
June 11 2009, 11:05PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Archaeologuy wrote: @ Ogden Brother: You are aware that he lead the Oilers out of the Playoffs on a consistent basis over the last 8 seasons and when he has made the playoffs it was never higher than 6th place. That scoring bit will be a nice story to tell his grand kids one day though. Good grief man, how you can put so much credit/blame on one man in a team sport (with 25+ guys playing an important role in it)… especially when that one guy is standing in dress shoes. Hemsky has been the offensive leader 3 straight years as the team missed the PO. Surely you think Hemsky has a bigger impact on the teams record then the coach does? But Hemsky gets the excuse of a poor support cast, yet you don’t consider that when you judge MacT? Pretty hypocritical. Why don’t you break it down year by year and look at the team under vs over performing expectations. 07/08 team was a 11th/12th place team on paper, they were a lotto team with the injuries yet they finished a hair out of the playoffs.

Gaborik seems like the "prototypical oiler fans' dream star forward".. whatever that is... and I'm not sure the Oilers can afford to finally get a true bonafide star in this league and risk having him succumb to a terrible injury. I think there are safer bets out there - but on the other hand who's to say that if we got Heatley here, he doesn't go down to a serious injury.. It's all about managing the risks I guess.

And when a player like Heatley becomes "available" then you do what you have to do to get him here. It sounds like that's what Katz's intention is, and we'll see what Tambo can piece together.

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#27 Ted
June 11 2009, 11:08PM
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@ Ted: wrong quote hah - first post at ON and i make an assclown outta myself haha sorry guys

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#28 Mike
June 11 2009, 11:09PM
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@ Ogden Brother: @ Archaeologuy:

You guys keep bringing up the same point over and over about MacT. We all know your sides and you won't change each other's opinion on this.

I respect what you bring, but rehashing the same point on every post gets old. The blog had nothing to do with coaching.

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#29 Archaeologuy
June 11 2009, 11:17PM
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@ Mike: The problem with being so stubborn and confrontational is that the same arguments can happen all the time. Sorry.

@ Ted: Welcome to the Nation.

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#30 Ted
June 11 2009, 11:20PM
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@ Archaeologuy:cheers

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#31 Sandra Blood
June 11 2009, 11:26PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

charlieangels wrote: Any truth that MacT was looking to go to the KHL I haven’t heard anything like that. I’d be stunned if he went to Russia rather than take a year off and get paid by the Oilers. Honestly why would he go there?

Will he have to clear waivers if he comes back mid season? Seriously I think Eklund had him in discussions with the Islanders, Yes they have a coach but maybe there is something there, Eklund has NEVER been wrong (E5)

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#32 Ted
June 11 2009, 11:34PM
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For a Heatley Bar I would think that the package you proposed, Gregor, would be fairly accurate. Gilbert, Cogs, and O'sullivan/picks/prospect??? Gilbert addresses a need for Ottawa, and we may be one of only a few teams who would be willing to move an offensive blueliner.I would hate to see Cogs go but if you get a chance to land a big time sniper, like I said above - you do it. Ofcourse I have no idea what the package would include, although I'm sure it will be competetive.

Also, I'm very doubtful that IF we landed Heatley, we would then also be able to land JayBo... sorry It ain't gonna happen.

Hemsky... to Heatley... He scores..

nuff said.

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#33 speeds
June 11 2009, 11:42PM
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@Gregor

What age do you think goal scorers generally start losing their scoring? 28-30 sounds about right to me. I'm not saying that Heatley will certainly lose his goal scoring any time soon, but it's at least possible. Here are some quick examples:

Jagr - 5 of his 6 40+ goal seasons by 29 Hejduk - 4 of his 35 goal seasons by 28 Amonte - all 3 30 goal seasons by 30 Nolan - all 6 30 goal seasons by 30 Kariya - all 4-35 goal seasons by 28 Yashin - both 40 goal seasons by 28, all 4-30 goal seasons before 30 Tkachuk - all 4-40 goal seasons by 28, but did have 3 30 goal seasons from 30-32

Bondra peaked later Selanne's had 4 of his 6 40+ goal seasons by 30, but did have a couple 40 goal seasons way later Leclair had his 5 40+ goal season from 26-31 Shanahan had 4 of his 6 40+ goal seasons by 28, 1 at 31 and one later at 37

I'm sure there are more examples both ways, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that Heatley's best goal scoring days are behind him.

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#34 Equinox
June 11 2009, 11:44PM
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It strikes me as odd that so many Oiler fans can excuse our inability to make the playoffs as a lack of a true superstar (which many now agree that Hemsky is not). Of course we then debate about overpaying for a superstar like Heatley and not "mortgaging the farm" so to speak.

I'm just happy that among the hockey community that we seem to be universally agreed as having a legitimate shot to land a 40-50 goal scorer. I've been hoping for years we'd get a chance to see what Hemmer could do with a sniper, or if it really only took a goal scorer to get us over that hump. Wouldn't you be willing to give up a little more than is required to find out? I would.

I think its safe to assume that Tambellini is not going to mortgage the future of the team to make it happen so why not? Even Heatley's off years are better than anyone we've got or were gonna throw huge money at anyways. Do what you gotta do.

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#35 Deans
June 12 2009, 12:50AM
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The oilers arent gettin Heatley. Teams just use the oilers to up the barganing or contract price.

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#36 TonyT
June 12 2009, 01:07AM
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Deans wrote:

The oilers arent gettin Heatley. Teams just use the oilers to up the barganing or contract price.

What's your source?

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#37 misfit
June 12 2009, 01:08AM
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I'd try really hard not to include Gilbert in a deal for Heatley, but in the end, as long as it doesn't include Hemsky, I don't think anyone is really off limits (though a few others would be tough to see go).

For $7.5M a season, I'd like a guy who can do more than one thing, but considering he does that one thing better than just about anyone in the league, I could probably live with it. Though I'm probably willing to look past his shortcomings a little more than I would most players since he's been a personal favorite of mine ever since he was drafted.

If I was being more objective in looking at what exactly he brings to the table, what we'd have to give up to get him, and how much cap space we'd have to free up, I might not be so gung-ho on trying to bring him to Edmonton.

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#38 442Junkie mobily
June 12 2009, 01:44AM
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@ Equinox Hear! Hear! And harumph!

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#39 humantorch
June 12 2009, 05:14AM
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Deans wrote:

The oilers arent gettin Heatley. Teams just use the oilers to up the barganing or contract price.

Well obviously this is 100% true. I mean, clearly that's what St. Louis, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Carolina, Buffalo, New York, Anaheim, and any other team that we've traded with since the lockout have been doing.

Someday we should all be as intelligent as you to see the truth. Thank you for shining your light of knowledge upon us. Truly you've helped us all here today.

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#40 humantorch
June 12 2009, 05:16AM
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Sorry, I forgot to mention Boston, Chicago, and Minnesota, too. You know, just to help prove your point even further.

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#41 Lofty
June 12 2009, 06:53AM
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I would love to see the power play with souray, viz, heatley, hemsky and penned in front of the net. In the words of Busta rhymes; DANGER!

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#42 myteammytown
June 12 2009, 07:50AM
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@ speeds:

i would agree that 30 is probably when the production starts to slide. the rapid decline generally doesnt happen until 35ish though.

heatley, even for say 2 more prime years plus 3 years slowly declining, is still going to put up decent numbers.

will he be worth the $$$$$ the last year or 2 of his deal? no, probably not.

But,

40 40 35 32 30

still looks pretty good on a team that cant score goals

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#43 Dan
June 12 2009, 07:56AM
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I'm not sure which makes less sense. Paying Penner to play in the minors, or paying him to play in the NHL while we stiff someone else.

Sorry JBO, you can't play here, we have to play Penner. :(

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#44 The Towel Boy
June 12 2009, 08:07AM
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@ Buy Cheap Nanny Camera:

Ooo...a nanny camera....

wait...oh right...HEATLEY!

I think heater has a few good years left in him for potting some sweet goals. 28 isn't old balls. Trust me...I'd kill to be 28 again.

Welp, my prune juice is ready and I have to take my meds...sooo...see you all later.

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#45 jdrevenge
June 12 2009, 08:24AM
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The worst part of this potential deal is the 7.5 million. F88888ck that. I like Gaborik/Jaybo over heatley anyday... the likelihood of gaborik signging here instead of LA is super slim....

I just dont see how you build a team with this many contracts into a playoff performer. I'd bet we just end up a one line team.

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#46 BUCK75
June 12 2009, 08:27AM
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I would liket o see Heatley here - it is refreshing to hear that 'Batman' is willing to pull out all the stops to try & land him.

We have so many 'lunch pail' character guys, I think some of them could be moved if possible. Moreau or Pisani would be in the deal for sure.

Cogliano would be leaving for sure - I like him, but I would be more willing to see him leave than Gagner.

Nilsson or O'Sullivan could sweeten the deal. Gilbert would be the Dman leaving as well.

Looks good from my chair. Heatley & prospect Cody Bass for Gilbert, Pisani, O'Sullivan & Cogliano.

*twitters trade idea to @SteveTambellini*

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#47 Hemmertime
June 12 2009, 08:32AM
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Lofty wrote:

I would love to see the power play with souray, viz, heatley, hemsky and penned in front of the net.

That or even Horc I been dreaming about since the news, he can win Faceoff and doesnt mind a Souray or Heatley shot hitting him in front. Horc could get 20 goals so Im sure would be willing. Hemsky on the 1/2 boards with 3 bona-fide shooters to whip the puck to. *stares off into space with visions of sugar plumbs dancing in head

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#48 Ogden Brother
June 12 2009, 08:36AM
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speeds wrote:

@Gregor What age do you think goal scorers generally start losing their scoring? 28-30 sounds about right to me. I’m not saying that Heatley will certainly lose his goal scoring any time soon, but it’s at least possible. Here are some quick examples: Jagr - 5 of his 6 40+ goal seasons by 29 Hejduk - 4 of his 35 goal seasons by 28 Amonte - all 3 30 goal seasons by 30 Nolan - all 6 30 goal seasons by 30 Kariya - all 4-35 goal seasons by 28 Yashin - both 40 goal seasons by 28, all 4-30 goal seasons before 30 Tkachuk - all 4-40 goal seasons by 28, but did have 3 30 goal seasons from 30-32 Bondra peaked later Selanne’s had 4 of his 6 40+ goal seasons by 30, but did have a couple 40 goal seasons way later Leclair had his 5 40+ goal season from 26-31 Shanahan had 4 of his 6 40+ goal seasons by 28, 1 at 31 and one later at 37 I’m sure there are more examples both ways, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Heatley’s best goal scoring days are behind him.

Their was some awesome work done on goal scoring and peak age by Daniel Tolensky a few years back. Off the top of my head: Of the top 100 scorers of all time, the average highest total was actually at age 23 and the vast majority started declining at 29... that said, they typically had 2-4 more good years after that, just not peak production. I'd guess Heatly will probably have 2 more 40+ seasons and 2-3 30 - 40 goal seasons... still far better then anything we have.

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#49 Chaz
June 12 2009, 08:36AM
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Everyone talks about Ottawa's needs and focuses on PMD's. That's fine and all, but if they trade Heatley, won't that also create a need for a first line player / scorer on their team? Once Heatley is out of the Capital, I'm not sure which area for them will be a bigger concern. If they want a goal scorer back in the deal, the Oil are pooched.

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#50 Hemmertime
June 12 2009, 08:36AM
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jdrevenge wrote:

I just dont see how you build a team with this many contracts into a playoff performer. I’d bet we just end up a one line team.

Oilers with Heatley: 4 players over 5 mil per year, 2 over 3 mil (assuming Gilbert a part of deal, add 1 more of Greb gets 3+) Detroit Currently: 4 players over 6 mil per year, 3 over 3 mil

I can see very easily how you can build a playoff performer with that many contracts

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