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Robin Brownlee
June 13 2009 10:01PM

old_time_people_around_radio I enjoy sports talk radio and I'm hardly an impartial party in this town, being a newspaperman who is trying to learn the art of saying something people want to hear after spending most of my career trying to write something they wanted to read.

I began tinkering with the wireless more than 25 years ago while I was in the weekly newspaper biz, then did more while covering the Kamloops Blazers of the WHL in the late-1980s.

Here in Edmonton, my job as beat man covering the Oilers for The Journal and The Sun until 2007 allowed me to occasionally wander into the booth with 630 CHED here and on the road.

I got a break when Bob Stauffer enlisted me as a co-host for his popular drive time show, Total Sports, on TEAM 1260. Later, when the Oilers hired Stauffer to ride shotgun for Rod Phillips with 630 CHED, Jason Gregor was good enough to retain me for Just A Game when it moved to take Stauffer's slot. For that, I'm grateful.

With that little bit of background out of the way, I read with some interest a piece in the Journal today by columnist Dan Barnes outlining TEAM 1260's challenge to attract listeners against the juggernaut that is 630 CHED, the voice of the Oilers and Eskimos.

It hatched an idea. If it's goofy, I'm sure you'll let me know.

OUTSIDE THE BOX

Like I said, I'm not impartial on this. I think it's to the benefit of listeners in town to have two radio stations with strong rosters of sports programming. That's why I'd like to see TEAM 1260 succeed. They provide a balance to the rights holders. Another voice.

That's why I'd like to see their numbers -- more on this below -- get better. I'd like to see them prosper. And, besides, they let me try to impart what I know over the airwaves without scolding me for being, as of now, only OK at it.

Likewise, I happen to think Stauffer played a significant part in providing that balance. Stauffer was the critical voice, the hammer on the TEAM 1260 roster, before, as I put it in an item leading into this season, he "took the hush money" and joined the Oilers.

When I add the two together, I wonder if sports talk radio listeners in this town wouldn't be best served if Stauffer wore two different hats with two different stations.

BY THE NUMBERS

For those who care about the actual numbers, here they are. All are for the demographic of males aged 25-54 over the last six survey books, which date back to January 2008.

TEAM 1260

Morning Drive 6 to 10 a.m. (14 Stations)

(Jan-Feb 2008) 6.4 share (6th) (Mar-Apr 2008 ) 4.2 share (9th) (Jun-Jul 2008 ) 5.5 share (9th) (Sep-Oct 2008) 4.5 share (9th) (Jan-Feb 2009) 3.2 share (10th) (Mar-Apr 2009 ) 1.9 share (10th)

Bottom Line: Yes, the morning show, More On Sports, has taken a dip, but in fairness, the most competitive part of the programming day is the morning the slot. Astral needs to regain a foothold.

Mid-Day 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. (14 Stations)

(Jan-Feb 08) 3.4 share (10th) (Mar-Apr 08) 2.9 share (11th) (Jun-Jul 08) 3.0 share (11th) (Sep-Oct 08) 2.8 share (10th) (Jan-Feb 09) 1.8 share (12th) (Mar-Apr 09) 1.5 share (12th)

Bottom Line: Jim Rome had steady numbers through 2008, but TEAM 1260 switched from ESPN to Fox Radio and the numbers took a hit. Hmmm.

Afternoon Drive 3 p.m. to 7 p.m. (14 Stations)

(Jan-Feb 08) 8.0 share (4th) CHED 3rd with an 11.0 (Mar-Apr 08) 9.7 share (3rd) CHED tied for 8th with 5.2 (Jun-Jul 08) 7.8 share (4th) CHED 6th with 6.5 (Last Stauffer book) (Sep-Oct 08) 5.6 share (8th) CHED 3rd with 9.0 (Jan-Feb 09) 6.3 share (7th) CHED 5th with 7.7 (Mar-Apr 09) 4.2 share (9th) CHED 8th with a 5.7

Bottom Line: Generally speaking for sports stations throughout North America, the afternoon drive shows pull in the best numbers. This is the make or break slot Gregor took over from Stauffer.

Evenings 7 p.m. to midnight (14 Stations)

(Jan-Feb 08)-0.4 share (14th) CHED 1st with an 18.2 (Mar-Apr 08 ) 3.1 share (9th) CHED 1st with a 16.3 (Jun-Jul 08) 5.6 share (6th) CHED 2nd with 10.1 (Last Gregor book) (Sep-Oct 08) 3.1 share (11th) CHED 1st with 13.5 (Jan-Feb 09) 0.7 share (13th) CHED 1st with 21.4 (Mar-Apr 09)-2.5 (12th) CHED first with 13.1

Bottom Line: Inside Sports with Dan Tencer and anything to do with the Oilers rule the slot during the season. TEAM 1260 hasn't even contested this slot since Gregor moved to afternoons.

NO COMPETITION?

The quote from the Barnes piece that grabs me comes from CHED general manager Doug Rutherford.

"I don't really see (The Team) as competition. An all-sports radio station will talk to a specific audience, although small. What we try and do with CHED is talk to a more mainstream audience. All-sports is a niche format."

Maybe I'm taking Rutherford a bit too literally, but if TEAM 1260 isn't really competition, does that leave the door open for Stauffer to keep his night job alongside Phillips but cross town and fill a 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. slot on the Astral roster and form a solid one-two punch with Gregor during the week?

Let's not forget, Stauffer's an employee of the Oilers, not 630 CHED. Might team owner Daryl Katz, who already does business with Astral (TEAM 1260) with broadcasts of the Edmonton Oil Kings, be interested in expanding the brand by providing his product on two stations?

A SHOT IN THE ARM

Depending on where you sit with Stauffer -- love him or hate him with little room for indifference in between -- having him rev up the bombast that just won't fly on 630 CHED game nights back on TEAM 1260 is either a stroke of brilliance or just me having a stroke.

While I question Barnes' homer reference when it comes to Stauffer and Phillips -- I think they're more critical of the Oilers than any other team tandem of rights holders I can think of -- there's no question Bombastic Bob hasn't been able to let it all hang out since becoming an employee of the Oilers like he did when the saliva was flying at 1260.

Would the brass at Astral go for this? Would management at 630 CHED? What about the Oilers? Most important, what about the listeners, the people who tune in and pay the freight? Or not.

It sounds like a shot in the arm for sports fans to me.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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A sports writer since 1983, including stints at The Edmonton Journal and The Sun 1989-2007, I happily co-host the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260 twice a week and write when so inclined. Have the best damn lawn on the internet. Most important, I am Sam's dad. Follow me on Twitter at Robin_Brownlee. Or don't.
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#1 GSC
June 13 2009, 10:12PM
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I'm all about it, Robin. As an out-of-town internet listener (WAY out-of-town, actually), I always welcome critical insight into the Oilers that I just don't get from 630 CHED and from the Edmonton mainstream media news articles.

To hear you and Stauffer laying the hammer down on the Team whenever the Oilers broke off the suck knob was always refreshing. It beats the hell out of listening to bonafide fart catcher (I love this moniker) Dan Tencer.

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#2 Archaeologuy
June 13 2009, 10:18PM
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Love the Just a Game show and I would love it if you were on there more often Robin.

When Stauffer was on 1260 I spent half the time vehemently disagreeing with him and the other half getting revved up listning to him rant. If the goal is to make sure everyone has an opinion of you then he met the goal.

On a final note, 630 CHED is a fuddy duddy station for the lame. That is all.

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#3 DynamiteKid
June 13 2009, 10:36PM
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Robin, do you know of any reason why the Team hasn't replaced Gregor's slot at nights? That's the part I really miss.

It's made me change my dial to Ched to listen to Tenser at nights and I just don't change it back when I listen to the radio at other times of the day.

Does Corey Graham not want the slot (or maybe wasn't offered it full time).

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#4 RMS
June 13 2009, 10:39PM
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What about Morley Scott from 1:00pm to 3:00pm? Or late night for that matter?

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#5 RossCreek
June 13 2009, 10:39PM
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Although I can't see it happening, I'd love to see it happen. How about another possible suggestion. MoreOn Sports with Bryn & Jake moves to the 1-3 slot with their light-hearted, good spirited show and a new morning show (I missed the reasoning, but heard Jim Jerome on one morning, could he be a possiblity perhaps with Corey Graham?). I like Bryn & Jake, but they seem to be getting stale. Or is it just me? The numbers seem to suggest this. Perhaps a time slot change could help freshen them up? Working in Calgary last fall and this spring, I've come to really like the Mike Richards morning show. I don't particularily like their afternoon shows (they're just ok), especially stacked up against the likes of Gregor or Stauffer. Robin, could/would you want to co-host your own show (with a partner, like maybe Bryn)?

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#6 RossCreek
June 13 2009, 10:43PM
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Ooooh, I like the idea of LATE NITE SPORTS WITH MORELY SCOTT @ 10, or someone like that.

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#7 Archaeologuy
June 13 2009, 10:44PM
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RossCreek wrote:

Robin, could/would you want to co-host your own show (with a partner, like maybe Bryn)?

i formally put my name in the hat.

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#8 mjsh
June 13 2009, 10:46PM
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I am an old fuddy duddy but not lame. I am older than your demographic. Having said that I have been an Oilers fan since day one. That means WHA.

I have a 15 to 20 minute drive in the morning and the same at the end of the afternoon. Many times in the morning I found Brynn and Jake to be irrelevant and actually tuned to Mike Richards instead.

I always listened to Stauffer and 90% of the time listen to Just a Game. Pretty much the only times that I would listen to Rob Kerr in the afternoon was when Stauffer and Reid tried to be funny. My favorite co-hosts have always been Mark Spector and yourself, ie Robin Brownlee. You both brought a credibility and reliability that others do not bring.

It has been many years since I listened to Ched with any regularity. Maybe catch a bit of the Oilers or Eskimos broadcast if I happen to be driving when there is a game on. I have watched every Oilers game either in person, on TV or the internet since the lockout.

I do see the NHL game to have improved greatly since the lockout. Not sure if the afternoon gig for Stauffer would work. Don't know how many radios are on then. I do think that having him be a guest co-host with Gregor once a week would help ratings as well.

Any idea of what is going to happen to the morning show now that Jake is gone?

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#9 RossCreek
June 13 2009, 10:48PM
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THE DAILY DOUG SHOW! What? I'm just saying. Better than WARRIOR WISDOM WITH TW.

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#10 RossCreek
June 13 2009, 10:50PM
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Jake is gone?

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#11 Archaeologuy
June 13 2009, 10:53PM
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@ RossCreek: I didnt know either, but he isnt on the 1260 website anymore.

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#12 mjsh
June 13 2009, 10:54PM
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I heard some one call Gregor's show Thursday about it and he got brushed off. Barnes article talks about a buyout.

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#13 Mike
June 13 2009, 10:58PM
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Could the afternoon slot be losing ground because of the host? Honestly, I find Gregor to be seriously condescending to the callers that don't agree with his point of view. He's the reason I stopped listening to the Team in the afternoons.

If Bob was available to do afternoons, even if its just the off-season, would be fantastic!

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#14 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
June 13 2009, 10:59PM
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I listen to Jason on the drive home,and the Team on the way home after hockey games,I think they should go out and hire someone for a late night sports talk to go against Tencer,I would tune into the Team rather than listen to Tencer and his Oilers propoganda machine.

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#15 Archaeologuy
June 13 2009, 11:02PM
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I forgot to mention that I love the title of the Article. Radio Ga-Ga is one of my favourite Queen songs.

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#16 RossCreek
June 13 2009, 11:02PM
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K, now I need the dirt. Whats the gossip? When did this happen? Whats been going on? Who's on? Who's gonna be on? I like Jake, but 4 hours of Jake in the morning was a bit much at times. I didn't even know about this when I made my earlier suggestion, but Jake would prob have been decent in the 1-3 slot, no? Hope he lands on his feet.

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#17 Archaeologuy
June 13 2009, 11:12PM
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@ RossCreek: By the sounds of Barnes' article Jake got the axe for poor performance. The morning show is suffering in the ratings and they couldnt fire Bryn because he is the sports director of the all sports station. Pretty weak stuff, obviously the morning show's problems have nothing to do with the guy in charge and everything to do with the guy who sits next to the guy in charge. obviously.

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#18 RossCreek
June 13 2009, 11:31PM
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Alright, I've read the Barnes article, read some other message boards and stuff. As I said earlier, I really like the Mike Richards morning show on The Fan960. It's totally grown on me. The Team needs something like this. Then put Bryn on 1-3. Perhaps a co-host like Corey Graham or Robin? But who for the morning show? I mentioned Jim Jerome. I don't know a lot about him other than he was on K97 for a bit and he talks lots about Gretzky. Is he any good? Any other good suggestions. Bryn, take the 1pm slot yourself! Give us a fresh new morning.

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#19 Robin Brownlee
June 13 2009, 11:45PM
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GSC wrote:

To hear you and Stauffer laying the hammer down on the Team whenever the Oilers broke off the suck knob was always refreshing. It beats the hell out of listening to bonafide fart catcher (I love this moniker) Dan Tencer.

I appreciate the compliment, but you aren't really giving Tencer a fair shake. For my money, he called things a lot closer to the middle this season than before. There are limitations with the position he's in when it comes to criticism as a rights holder -- same for Bob -- but there was more edge with him this season.

RMS wrote:

What about Morley Scott from 1:00pm to 3:00pm? Or late night for that matter?

I can't speak for the people who make the decisions, but I'm not sure Morley can carry a 1-3 show or even a late-night slot. He wouldn't be somebody I'd short-list for either slot.

RossCreek wrote:

I don’t particularily like their afternoon shows (they’re just ok), especially stacked up against the likes of Gregor or Stauffer. Robin, could/would you want to co-host your own show (with a partner, like maybe Bryn)?

I certainly don't have the delivery or on-air presence to carry a show as the host at this point, but I'd welcome the chance to sink my teeth into a regular show and polish up my radio skills. While I'm short on style, I'd like to think I bring some substance. I enjoyed the format Bob had and what I do with Jason. So, yes, I'd like to do more.

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#20 Joey Moss
June 13 2009, 11:53PM
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I don't want to dis Jason because I think he and Will are excellent and are a great product )and one I would listen to at night or in the afternoon) but please, please, please, bring back Bob Stauffer to the Team 1260.

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#21 RossCreek NNMS
June 13 2009, 11:55PM
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@ Robin. Alright, I hereby fully throw my support behind a 1-3 show with Bryn Griffiths & Robin Brownlee. Would that interest you? Need New Morning Show

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#22 David S
June 13 2009, 11:58PM
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I've had the chance to catch a few minutes of the show that follows Gregor's slot. First time I thought it was a joke because it sounded just like WKRP. The only thing that was missing was the cowbells, chicken squaks and fake audience laugh sound bytes. Man, it was seriously cheesy.

Barnes had a god point though. If it ain't Oilers related (mainstream stuff), then it's a niche in this city. Mostly I suspect because there's no other big league sports teams here. The Oilers are the only big ticket. Interesting bit of speculation about Katz and the Team 1260. Wonder what will come of that.

As far as Bob goes, while your idea has merit I simply can't see the propoganda factory at the Oilers head office having Bob tow the company line half the time and rip 'em new ones when he's at the Team 1260. Just won't work because of the monopolistic philosophy of the team. They want to control the message all the time. These are the same guys who have roving MIB's making sure only the right signs are waved at RX1. And ice girls? Don't get me going.

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#23 Robin Brownlee
June 14 2009, 12:09AM
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RossCreek NNMS wrote:

@ Robin. Alright, I hereby fully throw my support behind a 1-3 show with Bryn Griffiths & Robin Brownlee. Would that interest you? Need New Morning Show

Thanks for the vote, but I think Stauffer in the 1-3 slot would be a great lead-in to Gregor at 3 p.m. That's a chance to put up some numbers from 1 p.m. to 6 p.m. Joey Moss wrote:

I don’t want to dis Jason because I think he and Will are excellent and are a great product )and one I would listen to at night or in the afternoon) but please, please, please, bring back Bob Stauffer to the Team 1260.

Given the numbers, there's obviously been a drop-off since Stauffer left. I'm with you -- they'd be smart to fit Bob in somewhere (assuming the Oilers don't flip out at the idea and there's insterest by Astal). Not filling Gregor's old late-nighty slot has been a mistake in my mind and now they've got the tough nut to crack with the following Tencer has built.

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#24 Robin Brownlee
June 14 2009, 12:24AM
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David S wrote:

As far as Bob goes, while your idea has merit I simply can’t see the propoganda factory at the Oilers head office having Bob tow the company line half the time and rip ‘em new ones when he’s at the Team 1260.

That, I'd think, will depend largely on whether Katz sees added value in taking the Oiler brand to TEAM 1260. If there's no room in CHED's line-up or they aren't interested in an early afternoon slot for Stauffer for whatever reason, why not? As for ripping 'em a new one during the day and then doing colour (or eventually maybe play-by-play) at night, it's two different jobs. Maybe a 1-3 slot with Stauffer becomes SLIGHTLY toned down from his Total Sports days and his commentary at night becomes a bit edgier. That way, perhaps the gap that existed when Stauffer was doing his old show and Morley Scott was walking softly and carrying no stick isn't as jarring.

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#25 yo
June 14 2009, 12:52AM
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I know less about sports radio than I do about sports writing but this I do know...I've heard more objective opinion on The Team. The 5'-nuthin munchkin on 630, with the plastic hair just doesn't have the goods. I think a station should at least have someone on the air who has a clue. Stauffer would bring at the very least critical objectivity to both radio venues if given the opportunity.

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#26 bengood
June 14 2009, 01:53AM
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I live in Toronto and make the effort whenever possible to catch Gregor in the afternoon (well early evening here). He does a great job replacing Stauf and Brownlee is a good wingman.

I can't see why CHED would allow Stauf to indulge the conflict of interest that working for two stations would probably be but neat idea i guess?

That said I would love it (and my girlfriend would hate it) if Stauf/brownlee were on the afternoon and gregor/fraser back at night..

who listens to CHED before or after games anyways?

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#27 Hoos
June 14 2009, 02:01AM
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Brownlee, excellent piece. What no one is talking about is what an abomination 1260 is now that they've changed to Fox Sports radio. But this is the latest in a LONG line of disastrous decisions that I will outline here:

1) Moron Sports (quite an appropriate title) 2) NOT replacing Gregor's late night time slot 3) Tony Fiarillo and Jeff Jackson 4) The unexplained disappearance of Soccer Steve 5) Not using AJ Jakubic in an increased roll after the Oil Kings' season is over 6) Abandoning ESPN radio.

I too fell in love with Total Hockey which became Total Sports and enjoyed both Spector and you and the interchange on the air. Even with Just a Game, there is legitimate discourse when it comes to sports issues. To this day nothing can match the information and interchange on Total Sports' Monday Edmonton Media Roundtable.

But the lack of local programming is coming to bite 1260 in the behind. One only needs to look at the success of a show like The Pipeline Show to see how skilled local sports guys in this city are, and how they can be used effectively.

I'm tired of 1260, and the only reason I listen to 630 is because of their access. Is Stauffer the answer? Maybe, but ... just like Gregor has proven himself to be capable, intelligent and astute, isn't there someone else out there who can be brought up? Is 1260's farm system weaker than the Oilers'? Corey tired a late night call in show after games, but it was so poorly advertised and horribly executed (prank callers legitimately shook him up) that it lost A LOT of steam.

There are a ton of excellent media guys in the Edmonton area, and a lot that would be willing to work in Edmonton from other parts of Canada given the right opportunities (I think). I loved Stauffer, but he's not necessarily the answer. The NEXT Stauffer, the NEXT John Short, the NEXT Sid Smith and John Sexsmith are the answers. Jakubic is the most misused guy in Edmonton (no, I do NOT know him from Adam).

Bottom line, until the 1260 decides they're serious about legitimate sports discourse and drastically changes the morning show, adds a significant amount of local programming, and finds young, hungry guys (and girls, preferably of the Erin Andrews type) and gives them good opportunities to succeed, the station will be second, third, or apparently 10th rate.

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#28 Ivy.eyez88
June 14 2009, 02:38AM
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Hardcore Sports Radio is by far the best, then 1260, IMO. I love listening to both.

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#29 TonyT
June 14 2009, 05:12AM
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Stauffer in my opinion has greater defined viewpoints when it comes to the Oilers (who are pretty much on everybodys minds in this town), Gregor's show provides alot more sports in general (for instance, his wednesday fitness feature), the morning show I find is alot of replay of Gregor's show from the previous day. I do enjoy the pipeline show as well, however I'd suggest the Team acquire the rights for more live programming for the evening (e.g. NBA finals, Premiership?, NFL, CFL, etc.), I'd rather listen to a live sporting event, than an American radio broadcast talking about it.

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#30 TonyT
June 14 2009, 05:19AM
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Also, I'd have to agree with CHED that the TEAM provides a niche service. Isn't the TEAM for the hardcore? And isn't that what's appealing to most of us. I like listening to the TEAM, where the listening audience generally has a greater understanding rather than the mainstream. I like listening to Serious Gord, the warrior, even WT, they are part of the show and part of the dialogue that makes commentary interesting (like Oilersnation), it sure beats listening to that E. Indian fellow who calls Tencer after every game and rants on like a beat reporter for the next 8 minutes.

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#31 RossCreek
June 14 2009, 05:53AM
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I was gonna mention how misused AJ was but forgot. Good call. And Corey totally got rattled by prank callers. At the very least, they should've replaced Gregor's night plot OR came up with a 1-3 show, if not maybe both. I listened to the team @ work from 6 til 6 for the better part of 3 or 4 years, not to mention listening before bed. If/when I'm still working in range, I still do. But with the exception of Just A Game, they've been continuously getting more and more stale. With the exception of Jim Rome, I could care less about their other non local programming.

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#32 Prop Jay
June 14 2009, 07:18AM
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I would love for big stauff (I mean that litrally) to take the 1-3spot again.

That is the lull in the afternoon when suicide due to boredom always is contemplated. If stauff could fill it he would be doing myself and those who I surround myself with a big favor.

jk (sarcasm is not carrid well over the innernuts)

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#33 trying to be a fan
June 14 2009, 07:49AM
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Coming from a sales and marketing background I think there are some fundamental flaws in the TEAM strategy that are being reflected in the numbers you listed.

One of the basics of sales is providing a solution to your customers needs.

I believe the the TEAM is more concerned about their own need to be different and provide an alternative voice than giving their customers what they want.

Sure there is a group of folks that hate the Oilers and love to bash them every chance they get but if you look at the numbers there are clearly more that are getting sick of this approach.

I would suggest a balanced approach that speaks to both the good and the bad. Maybe some research into the players backgrounds. Last month Gregor was giving Laforge a shot because the NFL was better at getting personal interest stories out about players. Maybe I am old fashioned but isn't that your job...do some research and provide information to the fans?

just a thought

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#34 Bad Seed
June 14 2009, 08:06AM
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@ Robin Are you throwing feelers out there, Robin. You always seem to know when something's coming so it wouldn't surprise me. To me, despite Stauffer's bombast, the afternoon show has dropped off & become less interesting since Gregor took over. Gregor does okay, but he's no Stauffer. I just wonder how critical Stauffer would be now that he works for the Oilers. The guy never criticized Lowe, after all, he just went after MacT all the time, He did have better regular guests though ie Darren Dreger was a segment that I always enjoyed. Anyway, return things to the way they were - Stauffer in the afternoons & Gregor at night though I'm sure Gregor wouldn't go for that.

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#35 Robin Brownlee
June 14 2009, 08:15AM
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trying to be a fan wrote:

I believe the the TEAM is more concerned about their own need to be different and provide an alternative voice than giving their customers what they want. Sure there is a group of folks that hate the Oilers and love to bash them every chance they get but if you look at the numbers there are clearly more that are getting sick of this approach.

Call me naive, but people want the truth. Over-the-top criticism in the name of creating conflict doesn't work in the long run. It's as transparent as the opposite end of the spectrum, where never is heard a discouraging word. If you feed fans a constant diet of ranting and raving in good times and bad, they'll roll their eyes and go elsewhere on the dial. Same thing if some talking head refuses to utter a negative word, even when it's obvious everything isn't rosy. People aren't stupid. If there isn't balance in what you put out there, how can the opinions you deliver, be it criticism or praise, be taken seriously?

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#36 Death Metal Nightmare
June 14 2009, 08:23AM
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i posted something in this range on HF a few days ago talking about Stauffer.

dont get me wrong, i still listen to Gregor all the time and enjoy a lot of the work he's done since he picked up the slot. hes done some really good things lately like the Pearn, Daum and Drake roundtable.

but theres something Stauffer has that he just cant match. and thats the ability to be part-insider, part goofball - but most importantly, when it comes to straight hockey talk and knowledge - the dude is a straight up Mother-F'ing professional. he gets in that zone where he's dead serious/all-business and it makes for a fairly mature presentation of great sports talk. and great insights.

love him or hate him, the dude does his job really well for that market. if the Team got him back it would make for some awesome radio in a time when the Oilers are "on the verge" of being competitive again.

Edmonton in general should be commended for their Sports Talk - even if CHED. if you listened to US Markets with a similar product as The Team, youd notice how cookie cutter and pathetic they are. they let callers talk for about 2 seconds and give them kindergarten type "home work assignments" to answer before cutting them off ("do you think the Packers should stop their guys from twittering? FARRRRRT. say yes or no with a one sentence comment and then hang up on them."). theres no dialog and banter. no insight. no critical analysis. no ideas. its pathetic. i cant even imagine how shitty the ratings would be if you got the format of our local Sports Talk Made for 40 year Old Children.

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#37 RossCreek
June 14 2009, 09:03AM
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Robin said it, so it shall be. Book it. Bob will be back. ROBIN, do you seriously believe this could happen? Were you and Bob slamming beers last night and just messing around? Do you have any inside info on this? Is this like "maybe the Oilers should hire a head coach/associate coach tandem"? If its at all possible, then HELL YA! If not, lets get THE GENTLEMEN'S CLUB with Bryn & Robin @ 1 going. AJ could also be a good fit. Does it make sense/is it possible for any of the tv guys to cross over to radio. Kevin Karius would be good, and John Sexsmith or Dean Millard could prob be ok. Any word on whats happening with the morning show yet? Are they just gonna plug somebody into Jake's spot or are they going to completely alter it with a new crew and feel? Could Jim Jerome and Bill Cowen pull it off?

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#38 Darren
June 14 2009, 09:03AM
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I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BOB STAUFFER BACK ON THE TEAM 1260!

I used to be a loyal listener but find myself not being nearly as intereseted now that Stauffer is gone and they switched to Fox from ESPN. One thing ESPN has is GREAT NFL coverage which still isn't covered locally here; I really miss that.

I think Bob, and yourself, Robin, make a great 1-2 punch in the gonads for saying it like it is... I loved calling into your show during the NHL Draft times. I hope I can again.

...except let's hope I don't have to call in because they drafted Pouliot over Parise again;)

Robin, keep up the great work! Any idea you have to get your (and Bob's) voice on our radio dial I would support completely.

Separate note: do you remember the Alexei Mikhnov draft? I remember going in to that draft you had Brooks Orpik as the guy the Oilers would love to have if he dropped to us, a perfect fit. Did you ever hear why they went in the other direction?

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#39 Robin Brownlee
June 14 2009, 09:10AM
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Darren wrote:

Separate note: do you remember the Alexei Mikhnov draft? I remember going in to that draft you had Brooks Orpik as the guy the Oilers would love to have if he dropped to us, a perfect fit. Did you ever hear why they went in the other direction?

Matheson and I covered that draft for The Journal and I distinctly remember meeting Alexei. He was huge and, not suprisingly, didn't speak a word of English. The highlight of that draft was trying to keep tabs on Kevin Lowe, who wanted to move up in selection order and take Marian Gaborik. He later pulled off the Roman Hamrlik deal to NYI. The Oilers were also big on Brad Winchester and they took him with a pick they got from the Islanders.

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#40 Prop Jay
June 14 2009, 09:26AM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

I really don't see Katz/Oilers let Bob come close to the Team again. He was a steal for them as it got 2 birds with one stone - Bonafide radio host and control over what he says.

That being said, I see this as an opportunity for YOU to take a 1-3 show and maybe join gregor as you do now at times to get both of your views. Gregor also I think gets forced to cover more hockey than he would like.

Sometimes whether you feel ready or not the best way is to dive in. You have 2 votes now (Mine and David Staples). Mine is worth 2x his tho.

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#41 MikeP
June 14 2009, 09:38AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

If there isn’t balance in what you put out there, how can the opinions you deliver, be it criticism or praise, be taken seriously?

I know what you mean, but some folks feel that unless there's a more or less equal amount of praise/criticism, it isn't balanced. Sometimes orgs have more screwups than not.

I'm not saying that describes the Oilers now or ever, that kind of thing is hard to call, but balance doesn't necessarily mean equal.

I'm also not saying *you* that that approach, Robin, but some might expect you to.

All that said, I think you're right - groups of people aren't as stupid as some think.

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#42 Jenga66
June 14 2009, 09:39AM
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Fox is brutal. Bring back ESPN. Gregor, stop treating your callers like idiots. Even Stauf would callers make dumb comments without jumping down their throats. I don't call but I don't like hearing the condescending tone.

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#43 Darren
June 14 2009, 09:44AM
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Thanks, Robin!

I love hearing about draft day, whether it be the NHL, or NFL, etc.. It's very exciting to me to see how much the decisions made that one day of the year shapes the course of every single franchise!!!

Anyway, I'd like ot know if you are doing any draft shows and articles coming up and where they might be found.

Thanks a lot...and keep up the great work at draft time, too, Robin!

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#44 RossCreek
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THE GENTLEMEN'S CLUB with Bryn & Robin. I can see it now. Looks a little something like the "experienced" fella's from the Muppets. Lol.

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#45 Librarian Mike
June 14 2009, 09:45AM
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My wife and I moved to England in April 2007 and came back last May, and one of the shocks to my system was that Stauffer had left 1260. I loved his show because of the great stories as well as the unfiltered opinions about players.

So now he's working for The Man, and while my radio experience has suffered (although Gregor is also really good), I can't begrudge the guy for moving on.

I'm holding out hope that he'll snap on air one day and explode with all the stuff he's been holding back.

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#46 Robin Brownlee
June 14 2009, 09:48AM
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MikeP wrote:

I know what you mean, but some folks feel that unless there’s a more or less equal amount of praise/criticism, it isn’t balanced. Sometimes orgs have more screwups than not.

I'm talking balance over the long term. If a team is terrible for three seasons, then the commentary that follows should reflect that. If the opposite is true, same thing. On a nightly basis, just call it the way it is. Teams can play well and lose and play poorly and win. Just don't try to convince people they didn't really see what they just witnessed. Don't put lousy performances down to bad breaks etc etc. You can hammer a team or an individual player with credible criticism as long as you praise play and results that are worthy of it. If nothing is ever good enough, you aren't a credible critic, you're grinding an axe. If everything is coming up roses no matter how bad the results are, you're a fartcatcher.

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#47 Darren
June 14 2009, 09:49AM
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Oh yeah, here's one more vote for you to take on one of the shows on the TEAM 1260. Man, I would love that job! lol

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#48 Robin Brownlee
June 14 2009, 09:55AM
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RossCreek wrote:

THE GENTLEMEN’S CLUB with Bryn & Robin. I can see it now. Looks a little something like the “experienced” fella’s from the Muppets. Lol.

Sounds like a ripper joint. I don't frequent such places. Never once went to The Chez in Montreal or the French Maid in Calgary.

You mean Stattler and Waldorf? I'm not that old and I'm not that grey. I am that cranky.

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#49 Librarian Mike
June 14 2009, 09:58AM
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Muppets....now I can't get the image of Animal running around going 'WANYE!' out of my head.

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#50 RossCreek
June 14 2009, 10:06AM
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OilersNationRadio! 1-3 with Wanye haha. Live from the ripper joint.

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