Draft Day 2009: THE LIST

Robin Brownlee
June 24 2009 02:39PM

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You don't want guesses from rank amateurs. Mock drafts? Pfft. You want THE LIST. You want to know what name will be on the tip of the tongue of Oilers GM Steve Tambellini when he steps to the podium in Montreal Friday with the 10th pick at the NHL Entry Draft.

I want THE LIST, too. But, as in years past when I covered the draft for The Journal and The Sun, none of the Oilers brass or scouting staff has slipped it to me on the down-low. Zero chance, Mr. Inside Guy.

As fans know, that's never stopped me from asking questions, taking names or rummaging through Kevin Prendergast's garbage, then offering my best projection as to how things will unfold.

Prendergast, chief scout Stu MacGregor and his staff have compiled a list ranking the top 150 prospects. While there might be some tweaking when the staff gathers in Montreal Tuesday, it's pretty much set.

So, for those who recall my draft previews in those newspaper days, I'm going to take another swing rolling it out OilersNation style -- and, yes, I did have Jordan Eberle on the WISH LIST in 2008.

As always, everything goes out the window if Tambellini deals and moves up in selection order -- he'll be pitching to get into the top seven -- but I'm writing this with the assumption the Oilers stay where they are.

The wish list

John Tavares? Victor Hedman? Matt Duchene? Duh! They don't count.

Obviously, Tambellini, Prendergast and MacGregor will sprint to the podium screaming like their hair is on fire if one of these three blue-chippers is available at 10th. They won't be. So, let's get a grip and stick with players who might be available in the first round.

MAGNUS PAAJARVI-SVENSSON, F, Timra (Sweden)

ISS Ranking (International Scouting Services): 4th

WHAT THEY SAY

Director of NHL Central Scouting E. J. McGuire: "Magnus perhaps is the stereotype of the skilled Swede coming over here in recent years – outside speed extraordinaire, ability to freeze defenders and make all his good moves work even more effectively. He was a good contributor to his team at the World Junior tournament and I think will be an essential member of any NHL team in years to come. He showed, at the World Junior championships, why the 1980 comparisons to Mats Naslund, Kent Nilsson and more recently a Peter Forsberg will follow him over to his NHL team. He’ll be a high draft pick and I’m sure he’s going to be a combination of the kind of offensive flare and skills that have made those other three predecessors great NHL players."

MACGREGOR SAYS: "He's a great skater. He takes it to the net, drives to the net with speed. He's one of those players who's around the puck a lot. He's not overly tall, but he's a solid 198 pounds and he's going to get bigger."

THE SKINNY: The Oilers like his skill and compete-level. He's also got some flair, having suggested Canadian players at the World Junior Championship would "shit their pants" if Sweden scored a couple quick goals. The buzz is some scouts are picking Paajarvi-Svensson to drop a notch or two, but as far as 10th? Not likely.

EVANDER KANE, C, Vancouver (WHL)

ISS Ranking: 5th

WHAT THEY SAY

NHL Central Scouting’s Blair MacDonald: "He has power forward qualities from the blue line in. He's the type of player who doesn't like being denied access to the net. You can almost see when he's got the puck he's going to the net and defying people to stop him. He'll be a 200-pound forward in the NHL. He plays like he's six-foot-two, six-foot-three, bigger than his size. He's surprised a lot of people with his strength going to the net."

MACGREGOR SAYS: "He's everything we could use. He's an offensive player with a real physical edge. There's just a real edge to his game. He competes extremely hard."

THE SKINNY: To steal from Paajarvi-Svensson, the Oilers would "shit their pants" in unison if Kane was around at 10th. They've got no chance at getting him unless they move up to the 4th-7th picks. Take this to the bank: they like him enough to try.

JARED COWEN, D, Spokane (WHL)

ISS RANKING: 7th

WHAT THEY SAY

E.J. McGuire: "Cowen made his name last year as a Memorial Cup winning member of the Chiefs and the comparisons that were thrown around at that time were that of Zdeno Chara. Physically, he looks big, strong and rangy. Offensively he has that kind of contribution and if he, despite the pressure that we are putting on him, blossoms into half the player that Chara he is going to be a solid NHL player for years to come."

MACGREGOR SAYS: "He's a shutdown-type defenceman. He's got great reach. He loves the challenge of being matched up against the other team's offensive players. He plays a simple, easy game with the puck. He isn't punishing physically, but he uses his body effectively."

THE SKINNY: While Cowen might not develop into a first pairing defenceman in terms of offence, he's got the size and skill set that makes him a sure-fire NHLer as no worse than a second-pairing guy.

The Oilers select...

Don't expect the Oilers to have a Jesse Niinimaki flashback and go off the board if Tambellini can't make a move up from 10th pick.

MacGregor refused to discuss the Oilers list of rankings in relation to those of Central Scouting or ISS, but I'd be surprised if anybody utters WTF?, as was the case with Niinimaki, when Tambellini leans into the microphone.

NAZEM KADRI, C, London (OHL)

ISS RANKING: 8th

WHAT THEY SAY

E.J. McGuire: "He's big, lanky and skilled. He uses his size to accentuate his puck skills. Size, reach, stick handling ability, those long kinds of stick movements that Mario (Lemieux) used to make, like (Vincent) Lecavalier makes."

MACGREGOR SAYS: "Sure, we like him. He's very good with the puck and he uses his size to his advantage."

THE SKINNY: Can he be an elite centre one day? The jury is out on that. The consensus seems to be that Kadri's got the tools that project to him being no worse than a second-line centre.

DMITRY KULIKOV, D, Drummondville (QMJHL)

ISS RANKING: 10th

WHAT THEY SAY

Central Scouting’s Chris Bordeleau: "In his first year, he’s been an all-around good player. He’s a great skater; he can carry the puck and shoot the puck well. He’s strong too, he can take big hits and they don’t seem to bother him. What we saw this year is likely what we are going to see from Kulikov in the future; he’s going to play the same way in the NHL. He knows when to join the rush, he plays defence first, but recognizes the holes. He can shoot the puck well on the power play and I wouldn’t be surprised if he played in the NHL next year."

MACGREGOR SAYS: "He's an excellent two way defenceman with some offensive upside. He's a guy who is going to give you a lot of minutes as develops."

THE SKINNY: Everything about Kulikov's resume -- he was defenceman of the year and rookie of the year in the QMJHL and voted best pro prospect -- screams blue-chipper.

SCOTT GLENNIE, RW, Brandon (WHL)

ISS RANKING: 19th

WHAT THEY SAY

E.J. McGuire: "Glennie was mislabelled earlier in the year as perhaps being only a finisher for linemate Brayden Schenn. Yet Scott took matters into his own hands with an equal number of goals and assists and contributed greatly this season with a power forward type attitude. Glennie might remind the fan of NHL players with power forward abilities coming off the wall like Jonathan Cheechoo and Jonathan Toews -- that kind of offensive ability."

MACGREGOR SAYS: "He has some real athletic aspects to him. When Schenn was out early in the year, he still played at a high tempo. He's a guy who really has untapped potential at this point."

THE SKINNY: While the scouting staff won't admit it, I have a sneaking suspicion -- nobody's tipped me off, I'm reading between the lines -- they're almost as ga-ga about Glennie as they are over Kane.

Taking a Flyer

Looking for a darkhorse pick if the WISH LIST is picked clean and Glennie, Kulikov and Kadri are gone?

DAVID RUNDBLAD, D, Skelleftea (Sweden)

ISS RANKING: 22nd

WHAT THEY SAY

CS Director of European Scouting Goran Stubb: "He has a very good shot. He is a right-handed shot and he is used on the power play, even in the (Elite) League despite being a young player. He is a very smart player. He could be a little more physical in his game, but that is something that he is learning."

MACGREGOR SAYS: "Good size. He needs to improve his skating and speed a little bit, but he's got real good patience and calmness with the puck. He has a unique offensive vision and ability to move the puck."

THE SKINNY: The Oilers like Rundblad a lot more than ISS and CS do.

THREE DOTS...

Adam Kimelmen of NHL.com had the Oilers taking Carter Ashton 10th in his mock draft, but that won't happen... The Oilers like Zack Kassian (20th ISS), but not enough to take him ahead of Kadri, Kulikov or Glennie because he projects to a third-line player in the estimation of the scouting staff... Diminutive defenceman Ryan Ellis (13th ISS) and pint-sized right winger Jordan Schroeder (14th ISS) are pegged by some as possibilities for the Oilers, but MacGregor and his staff have other players ranked higher, so it's not in the cards.

Now, you know.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#1 BMyhres74/33
June 22 2009, 10:59AM
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Nice read.

Thank you RB.

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#2 Scott
June 22 2009, 11:02AM
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Nice post Robin. Based on everything I have read and heard about the prospects...I am glad to hear the Oilers are thinking along the same lines as me. I would love to get either Kane or Glennie. I think they are both exactly what we need. That being said, if that huge defenceman Cowan is still there...all bets are off and I take him.

I am hopeful the Oilers will move up to get Kane or Schenn but not sure anyone in that range is willing to trade without an overpayment.

Based on what you have heard and of course your spidey senses, what are the chances the Oil will be able to move up?

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#3 Peter Pan
June 22 2009, 11:04AM
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If trading up is unlikely, can the same be said for trading the 10th for a lesser pick? They did this before.

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#4 TonyT
June 22 2009, 11:06AM
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@ Brownlee Thanks for the list, great stuff.

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#5 BMyhres74/33
June 22 2009, 11:14AM
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Not 100% sure I can post this but here is the link to Bob's list on TSN.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11891

I think most will agree he is as dialed in as you can get. Of course the one exception would go to RB.

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#6 Harlie
June 22 2009, 11:17AM
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uggh, those boy scouts Uni's are the creepiest side show sets of gear around. This means that the neon yellow shirts that the RX1 servers now wear are not actually the worst garments in history. Long live the 80's!

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#7 Traxy
June 22 2009, 11:22AM
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Good stuff, thanks Brownlee.

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#8 Ender the Dragon
June 22 2009, 11:28AM
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Peter Pan wrote:

If trading up is unlikely, can the same be said for trading the 10th for a lesser pick? They did this before.

That's not a crazy notion; maybe if the Oilers can't pull out Kane or Cowen, they trade down and gamble that either Glennie or Rundblad is still available. There is a certain logic in not 'wasting' the number 10 pick on a guy ranked 19th, especially if you can still get the same guy and another late-rounder or bit-player by trading with another team and moving down.

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#9 Craig "Norris" Muni
June 22 2009, 11:29AM
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Hey Robin,

What are your thoughts on Bob MacKenzie's top 60 that went up today. He had PAAJARVI-SVENSSON rated as the #10. Also, I'd be thrilled with Glennie at 10. Fits the bill in many respects, plus he's from the WHL, which the Oilers seems to prefer.

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#10 Shanye Gretz
June 22 2009, 11:32AM
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Thanks for the dope RB. Now go make Sam a hotdog.

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#11 Mikey #2
June 22 2009, 11:36AM
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Robin,

MacGregor was on Gregor's show about a week ago and he said that he was the one who had final say. Did I hear that wrong or is he in charge now instead of Prendregast?

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#12 Bar Qu
June 22 2009, 11:43AM
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Craig "Norris" Muni wrote:

What are your thoughts on Bob MacKenzie’s top 60 that went up today. He had PAAJARVI-SVENSSON rated as the #10.

I found that interesting too. Lots of good prospects in that list, but if MPS is available, then I wonder if Heatley needs to be such a priority. Ditto for J-Bo if Kulikov shows up.

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#13 roughneck
June 22 2009, 11:54AM
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How do we get taylor hall next year without sucking this year?

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#14 Robin Brownlee
June 22 2009, 11:55AM
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BMyhres74/33 wrote:

Not 100% sure I can post this but here is the link to Bob’s list on TSN. http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11891 I think most will agree he is as dialed in as you can get. Of course the one exception would go to RB.

Thanks, but I'm no exception. MacKenzie has the best contacts and he spends a lot of time on the draft list. The thing about the draft is one strange move by one team, going off the board etc., changes things for everybody.

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#15 Craig "Norris" Muni
June 22 2009, 12:06PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Yeah like the Kings taking Hickey at #4 in 2007. Not a bad pick in hindsight, but clearly way of the board at the time.

I have a real tough time seeing MPS still on the board at #10, but if he is, Tambellini immediately trumps Lowe's 1st ever pick as GM. (I know different circumstances).

Like I said earlier I would be really happy with Glennie, more so than Kadri or any of the other guys pegged in that slot outside of MSP.

Regardless, Friday should be a lot of fun.

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#16 Ducey
June 22 2009, 12:14PM
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Of the guys realistically still there a 10, Kadri, MP-S or Glennie would be great.

Kulikov looks like he fits in Grebs grouping to me. The Oil have a lot of depth in the system (Petry, Choney, Wild, Grebs, Gilbert) of this type so maybe not?

Glad they won't be going after Kassian. Size and toughness isn't enough to justify a top 10 selection.

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#17 Ogden Brother
June 22 2009, 12:47PM
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Craig "Norris" Muni wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: Yeah like the Kings taking Hickey at #4 in 2007. Not a bad pick in hindsight, but clearly way of the board at the time. I have a real tough time seeing MPS still on the board at #10, but if he is, Tambellini immediately trumps Lowe’s 1st ever pick as GM. (I know different circumstances). Like I said earlier I would be really happy with Glennie, more so than Kadri or any of the other guys pegged in that slot outside of MSP. Regardless, Friday should be a lot of fun.

No doubt, MSP at 10 would be amazing.

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#18 Ogden Brother
June 22 2009, 01:02PM
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Off topic but of interest:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4275177&name=lebrun_pierre

I wasn't aware of the inflator clause, looks like 10/11 might not be quite as scary as everyone thinks.

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#19 Jon K
June 22 2009, 01:09PM
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Thanks Robin.

Getting Stu's word is very informative for many of us draft junkies.

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#20 PaperDesigner
June 22 2009, 01:12PM
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Let's say that the Oilers somehow move up to number four. Assuming that things go as expected, and the three big names are already gone, who's their first choice of the next group?

Also, what are the odds that someone from the 4-7 range will be willing to deal down to 10?

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#21 Craig "Norris" Muni
June 22 2009, 01:28PM
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@ PaperDesigner:

I think it's pretty clear based on what Brownlee reported that IF the Oilers can get the 4th pick they take Kane in a heartbeat. However, I don't think the Oilers will be able to move up 6 spots. If hey move up I see them at moving the most to 6.

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#22 Mike76
June 22 2009, 01:30PM
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Robin,

What do you know about Casey Cizikas from Missisauga? He is ranked 97 right now and had a huge fall this year due to an off ice incident.

Do the oilers have a pick in the 50 - 100 region and do you think they might take a shot at this guy?

He is supposed to be the goods (Drafted 3rd overall in the OHL Bantam Draft when he was darfted) and this off ice issue apparently did not involve drugs, alcohol or any other kind of problem that would indicate that he has an habitual problem on or off the ice.

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#23 danjo1
June 22 2009, 01:48PM
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Hey Robin,

Great post. What are the Oilers chances of getting Kane and realistically what would they have to give up to move up that high in the draft?

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#24 Scott
June 22 2009, 01:51PM
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Thanks Robin. This was a really good read. When you say that the Oilers will be trying to move in the 4th to 7th range do you have any idea what they might consider giving up to get there?

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#25 Robin Brownlee
June 22 2009, 02:23PM
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@ PaperDesigner: Kane. No doubt.

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#26 Mike76
June 22 2009, 02:27PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Robin,

What do you know about Casey Cizikas from Missisauga? He is ranked 97 right now and had a huge fall this year due to an off ice incident.

Do the oilers have a pick in the 50 - 100 region and do you think they might take a shot at this guy?

He is supposed to be the goods (Drafted 3rd overall in the OHL Bantam Draft when he was darfted) and this off ice issue apparently did not involve drugs, alcohol or any other kind of problem that would indicate that he has an habitual problem on or off the ice.

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#27 Austin Ayala
June 22 2009, 02:31PM
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I'm going to take exception to this list of your Robin.

Ok, Ellis isn't on your wish list... I'll give you that. Defense is a strong point in this organization. But at least include him in the list of players that the Oilers will select at #10. He's ridiculously skilled and an elite defense prospect. If Ellis is still on the board at 10 and they pass on him, I will not be impressed.

Who should the Oilers take a flyer on? WHL's Jimmy Bubnick. Big center with some skill could be a steal in the second round.

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#28 Robin Brownlee
June 22 2009, 02:34PM
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@ Mike76: Even if you ask twice, I know nothing about him. My takes on the draft are all from the Oilers perspsective based on what I can find out. If somebody with the Oilers had mentioned him to me, I could help you out, but they didn't so I can't.

You should be asking Flaming at The Pipeline Show. He's probably the best guy in town for what you want to know.

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#29 Robin Brownlee
June 22 2009, 02:38PM
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@ Austin Ayala: Why should I include Ellis on my list at 10 when I've been told by people who know it's highly unlikely they will pick him there because there are other prospects the team ranks higher?

Do you think KP or MacGregor or Tambellini give a squirt whether you'll be impressed? Why would I talk to scouts, then ignore what they say and pull some list out of my backside because I think I know better?

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#30 Austin Ayala
June 22 2009, 02:47PM
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ugh.. BARF

They're actually going to take Glennie (Niinimaki) or Kulikov (Semenov) over Ellis (Mike Green) because of a sneaking suspicion. The Oilers are stating to get tiresome to cheer for....

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#31 Craig "Norris" Muni
June 22 2009, 02:52PM
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is there an ignore feature available..seriously Austin, you want to be that guy?

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#32 smytty777
June 22 2009, 02:55PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Robin, aren't the Oilers essentially guaranteed one of Glennie, Kulikov or Kadri (with a very small chance of MPS, Cowen, Kane or Schenn)?

Are you getting a sense of who they like the best of those three? I personally like Glennie or Kulikov over Kadri, but would be happy with any of them.

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#33 Austin Ayala
June 22 2009, 03:00PM
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Not sure what you have such a huge problem with...

- Semenov was defenseman of the year in the OHL and he didn't work out. The Oilers just had a feeling about him and didn't pan out. He had the shiny toolbox (stature, strength, etc.) but didn't have all the right tools (skill) to put everything together.

- Niinimaki was ranked in the 50's and the Oilers took him 15th overall. Now they're planning on using their 10th pick to pick a guy who's ranked 19th and is said to have leached off Brayden Schenn. I mean, I guess it could work in Edmonton. Horcoff does do that with Hemsky.

My problem with guys like Glennie is the same problem I have with guys like Heatley. They can not create their own opportunities. They are finishers, not initiators (In Heatley's case - top 3 in the league).

I'm a big fan of Ellis what can I say? You don't like it, don't read when you see the names Austin Ayala. I have as valid of an opinion as you do. Just because I don't follow what TSN says, doesn't mean you have to be rude to me.

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#34 BigE57
June 22 2009, 03:08PM
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@ Austin Ayala: Yeah, Dany Heatly averaged 45 goals a year over the last three years becuase his linemates were bouncing the puck in off his ass.

Finishers still have to find/create the open ice that allows them to do what they do.

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#35 RossCreek
June 22 2009, 03:15PM
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@ Robin. What about Brayden Schenn? I could see the Oil moving as high as 5 or 6. Not even an Oiler fan, but wouldn't it be neat to move up a pick higher than the Leafs and take Schenn? Interesting to hear your take on Ellis. The Sun today has him going 10th to the Oil because of Quinn's connection to him. Deal with LA for that 5th pick and flip that for Atlanta's 4th to take Kane?

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#36 jeanshorts
June 22 2009, 03:16PM
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@ Austin Ayala:

Ryan Ellis is going to be nothing more than a poor mans Marc-Andre Bergeron. This team needs to pile on the size and toughness. The last thing they should be looking at is an undersized d-man with some offensive upside.

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#37 johnny
June 22 2009, 03:18PM
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Mike76 wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: Robin, What do you know about Casey Cizikas from Missisauga? He is ranked 97 right now and had a huge fall this year due to an off ice incident. Do the oilers have a pick in the 50 - 100 region and do you think they might take a shot at this guy? He is supposed to be the goods (Drafted 3rd overall in the OHL Bantam Draft when he was darfted) and this off ice issue apparently did not involve drugs, alcohol or any other kind of problem that would indicate that he has an habitual problem on or off the ice.

This is just speculation but Casey Cizikas might be the OHLer that is involve in this incident: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/06/19/brophy_draft_rugby/

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#38 Robin Brownlee
June 22 2009, 03:27PM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Robin. What about Brayden Schenn? I could see the Oil moving as high as 5 or 6. Not even an Oiler fan, but wouldn’t it be neat to move up a pick higher than the Leafs and take Schenn? Interesting to hear your take on Ellis. The Sun today has him going 10th to the Oil because of Quinn’s connection to him. Deal with LA for that 5th pick and flip that for Atlanta’s 4th to take Kane?

I'm assuming you're talking about this: "In putting together a mock draft for Sun Media, Oke and ISS director of scouting Dennis MacInnis took into consideration teams' needs and draft trends. Then they used information from the scouts ISS has across Canada, the U.S. and Europe. They also made some last-minute adjustments to keep up with recent news. For instance, Oke and MacInnis have slotted Brandon Wheat Kings winger Scott Glennie into the ninth hole, putting him with a Senators team that is trying to trade sniper Dany Heatley. And they have defenceman Ryan Ellis coming to Edmonton with the 10th pick, because the power-play quarterback has a junior Team Canada association with new Oilers head coach Pat Quinn."

Unless the ISS guys have talked to the Oilers -- I'm guessing they haven't -- they're only speculating. Essentially, it's a mock draft using logic and what people see as the needs of a given team without actually talking to the team.

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#39 RossCreek
June 22 2009, 03:36PM
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@ Robin. Ya. I'll believe you over some clown in Ottawa. Anyhoo, my post was more about Schenn. I'm reading this off my cel once again so its possible I missed it, but I am curious as to why he was left off of your lists. Or am I blind?

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#40 Darren
June 22 2009, 03:44PM
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Great piece, Robin - keep 'em comin... :)

I do want to say that I think I'd rather have Zach Kassian that Scott Glennie. I really want a player with a huge physical edge that is also an impact player for us.

Glennie's numbers are better, but in a bigger league with bigger peeps in it I wonder if it isn't easier for Kassian to reproduce or even better his numbers than Glennie.

Besides, I'd rather have a Todd Bertuzzi-type player with that amount of physical ferocity than another half-decent sized, yet underweight, but talented player.

That's my two cents worth, for now.

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#41 Travis Dakin
June 22 2009, 03:51PM
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Austin Ayala wrote:

My problem with guys like Glennie is the same problem I have with guys like Heatley. They can not create their own opportunities. They are finishers, not initiators (In Heatley’s case - top 3 in the league).

Dany Heatley 2005-06 Ottawa Senators NHL 82 50 53 103

2006-07 Ottawa Senators NHL 82 50 55 105

2007-08 Ottawa Senators NHL 71 41 41 82

2008-09 Ottawa Senators NHL 82 39 33 72

Ales Hemsky 2005-06 Edmonton Oilers NHL 81 19 58 77

2006-07 Edmonton Oilers NHL 64 13 40 53

2007-08 Edmonton Oilers NHL 74 20 51 71

2008-09 Edmonton Oilers NHL 72 23 43 66

He creats just as many goals for others as Hemsky, our playmaker does. I don't know where this "one dimensional" stigma comes from. Assuming last year was an off year, he is a 50/50 100 type player. Well rounded offensively.

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#42 Travis Dakin
June 22 2009, 03:52PM
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My bolding didn't work on that last post but I was trying to show that he creates AND finishes.

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#43 Heazues
June 22 2009, 04:13PM
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great read robin,

whatya think the chances are they decide to peddle that pick away in another deal and skip the first round all together? alot of the heater rumors include that 10th overall.

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#44 Cam
June 22 2009, 04:14PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

My bolding didn’t work on that last post but I was trying to show that he creates AND finishes.

It's pretty clear to everyone with laf a brain that he's the real mcCoy: an elite player that brings a lot on the ice. Whether he's worth the money or the trade bait is another discussion, but some of the statements we have heard aren't worth responding to.

There is some concern off the ice that maybe he's not such a great guy (i.e. a whiner), but as has been mentioned if the team is winning who really cares.

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#45 Chris
June 22 2009, 04:14PM
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Glennie ISS ranked 19th? McKenzie has him ranked 11th and Desjardins' has him ranked 6th amoung forwards; The ISS ranking seems a little out of step.

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#46 Cam
June 22 2009, 04:17PM
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@ Cam: That should be half a brain... not "laf" a brain.

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#47 Antony Ta
June 22 2009, 04:32PM
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@ Chris: Chris wrote:

Glennie ISS ranked 19th? McKenzie has him ranked 11th and Desjardins’ has him ranked 6th amoung forwards; The ISS ranking seems a little out of step.

I don't think the ISS uses the same stats as Desjardins. I think the only NHL squad using Desjardins is the Buffalo Sabres, and McKenzie and the rest of the TSN crew have their own system. Though I must say, when Scott Cullen is off on a tirade with the TSN statistics I almost lose faith in it for half a second.

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#48 Darren
June 22 2009, 04:38PM
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I just took another look at my own Scott Glennie vs Zach Kassian debate. I just noticed their playoff numbers AND their +/-...wow, what a difference! Scott Glennie appears to be a real difference maker, especially this year's playoffs with 18 point in 12 games at +10, as well.

Okay, now I get it...

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#49 Travis Dakin
June 22 2009, 04:53PM
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@ Cam: You're right. I have been pressing refresh every five minutes for two weeks now. I want Heatley to be an Oiler so bad. I dream of the magic that Hemsky and him would create. Everyone has baggage and until Heatley actually says something then all the "reasons" for him wanting out are just speculation. Either way, I don't care what they do off the ice. Especially if I was to hear "The Oilers goal scored by number 15, Dany Heatley. That assist to number 83 Ales Hemsky" 65 times a year. haha.

Heamsky would score 35-75-110 and Heatley would be at 55-50-105. It would be crazy.

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#50 Sandra
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Wouldn't it be great if we had Brownlee on the TEAM 1260 between 1-3 pm. An all local sports radio station, for those work afternoons and the drive home with Greggor. Robin is just as good or if not better than Stauffer(Fred) He once out T.W. in his place with one word. Wayne start the ball in motion.

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