Heatley or J-Bo? The Oilers can't have both

Robin Brownlee
June 09 2009 04:22PM

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This shouldn't come as a news flash, but the Edmonton Oilers are interested in Dany Heatley and will pick up the phone between now and the NHL Entry Draft and speak to Ottawa GM Bryan Murray about what it might take to pry him from the Senators.

That grasp of the obvious I do have after talking to somebody I trust this afternoon in the wake of reports that Heatley has informed the Senators he'd like to be traded.

That puts the Oilers in line with 13 or 14 other Western Conference teams -- Heatley has said he'd prefer to play in the west -- and probably a handful of Eastern Conference teams who'll make an offer regardless of the geography Heatley prefers.

The complicating factor when it comes to the Oilers is I'm told they are also interested in Jay Bouwmeester, who'll be the most sought-after unrestricted free agent of the summer after July 1.

Sought after enough you can bet there's a handful of teams, including the Oilers, willing to offer Florida something just for the right to negotiate with the big defenceman.

Heatley or Bouwmeester? You can't have both.

Big Money

Teams like the Oilers looking to get into the Heatley sweepstakes will have a $7.5 million cap hit to consider and will have to move some salary Ottawa's way in any deal.

With Bouwmeester, he'll also command the same kind of money on the open market, so that will obviously limit the number of teams who'll be able to bid for his services.

With $46.94 million committed to 18 players for 2009-10, the Oilers are going to have to move salary to be in the running for either player. Both? Nice thought, but absolutely out of the question. No chance. None.

Bet the farm, though, that GM Steve Tambellini will at some point be on the blower to Murray trying to find out what package of players makes sense for the Senators, who can use help on the blueline.

Of course, Murray would be a fool -- and he's not -- to make any kind of move before teams descend on Montreal for the Entry Draft. That'll be a feeding frenzy and Murray will have his pick of offers.

It's all about the package

There's already been the obligatory speculation about what kind of package Tambellini might put together to get Murray's attention, and you can fill in any name you'd like. Armchair GMs, and the guys in the big chair for real, are doing that in cities across the NHL about now.

When I said to the person I talked to today it would make sense to package anybody except Ales Hemsky and Sam Gagner, it was suggested that those are the two players Murray might ask for.

That's a massive overpay in my mind, even for a gifted goal-scorer in his prime like Heatley, but you get the drift -- he won't come cheap, even with the trade request out there.

Still, it's one or the other, so expect the Oilers to be pitching big-time in the days leading up to the draft for Heatley.

If they can't get anything done with Murray -- maybe he'll ask the Oilers to top up the deal with $2.5 million at the last second -- then it makes sense that Tambellini will turn his attention to Bouwmeester July 1.

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#51 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
June 09 2009, 07:24PM
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J bo just built a new house here,he lives here in the off season,his family is here,we dont have to give up anything to get him come July 1st,we trade Souray and Cogliano to La and our 1st round pick for La's 1st round pick and Kopitar,trade Staios and neilson for harding.

Penner Kopitar Hemsky Osullivan Horcoff Gagner Moreau Brodziack Pisani Stortini _______ JF Jacques

J bo Visnovsky Grebs Gilbert Smid and Peckham

Harding Jd

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#52 Jonathan Willis
June 09 2009, 07:27PM
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@ ShaunDoe:

Which player could play first line RW, though? Hemsky and Heatley would complement each other very, very well, I think.

Besides, the Senators already have a 1st line RW. They need a top-pairing defenseman, so I think Gilbert is the player to build a deal around. Toss in one of O'Sullivan or Cogliano and that's a very legitimate starting point, IMO.

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#53 ShaunDoe
June 09 2009, 07:31PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: Well obviously the best deal would be to not send Hemsky the other way. I was simply saying that I would go for it if he was involved. I too am of the oppinion that they need a class d-man and was thinking that a package of Gilbert, Cogliano and our 10th overall would be enough to grab Heatly and a second or third rounder. Or if Souray were willing to go to the capital something like Souray and a third/prospect for Heatly. I thought of this away from a computer so never looked up the logistics of this trade. But you know thats what I thought of.

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#54 TIM S
June 09 2009, 07:57PM
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I like Gagner but I would include him for Heatley as long as they were willing to expand the deal and take Penner as well. Trading your only proven offensive player in Hemksy for Heatley makes no sense to me. Then you have Heatley who is older, more money with no one to play with.

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#55 David S
June 09 2009, 07:58PM
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The guys at the SCF game tonight were saying Heatly has a NMC. Listening to the tail end of Gregor's show today it was mentioned that NMC clauses are really bargaining chips for players in that it gives them some say as to where they can be traded. Seems like there's alot of talk assuming players at this level are pure mercenaries, whereas we've seen the chance to continue a good career (i.e. Hossa) is at least as or more important.

Seriously. Why would Heatly want to come here as it seems he has some say in the matter?

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#56 David S
June 09 2009, 08:01PM
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TIM S wrote:

I like Gagner but I would include him for Heatley as long as they were willing to expand the deal and take Penner as well.

I know what you're saying. But something tells me that if we did that two years from now it would be a decision we'd highly regret. Sam is special, and right now he's ahead of Hemsky (at 19).

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#57 Robin Brownlee
June 09 2009, 08:02PM
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myteammytown wrote:

@ legion: im surprised you were able to stop thumping your bible long enough to attempt a post…. well done

Does one need to be a regular reader of the Good Book to be against something as stupid and dangerous as drunk driving?

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#58 ShaunDoe
June 09 2009, 08:04PM
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@ David S:

He would be guaranteed first line minutes and first powerplay pairing which are two things he was reportedly relieved of in Ottawa. Add to that he is from Calgary and as far as I can remember does his training in Kelowna and suddenly Edmonton makes alot of sense.

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#59 David S
June 09 2009, 08:09PM
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ShaunDoe wrote:

@ David S: He would be guaranteed first line minutes and first powerplay pairing which are two things he was reportedly relieved of in Ottawa. Add to that he is from Calgary and as far as I can remember does his training in Kelowna and suddenly Edmonton makes alot of sense.

Wouldn't he get the same thing on..you know...a good team? I dunno man. Just seems like we have a long way to go to be seriously considered by a superstar.

*Looks like we'll have a 7th game. Mr Bettman gets his wish.

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#60 Hemmertime
June 09 2009, 08:16PM
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Gilbert - Gagner or Cogs - and either 10th pick, Eberle, O'Sullivan or anyone besides Hemsky and we take that deal and looks good to OTT.

Worry is being outbid with Frolov (though not sure Sens would want player with 1 year left) and Jack Johnson/Drew Doughty. Either way, we need to make a hard play for him stating only Hemsky not available - unless its a 1 for 1 - which I dont see with Alfie signed for 4 more years. But Heatley for Hemmer straight up would be a go, not adding in Gags though.

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#61 Hemmertime
June 09 2009, 08:19PM
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Would we chant "Danny! Danny! Danny!" or "Heatley! Heatley! Heatley!" . First ON poll if we get him?

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#62 ShaunDoe
June 09 2009, 08:36PM
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@ David S:

I was going to add that appeal of him going to a contender but then people might start yelling at me and demanding I confirm my aleigance to the Oil after commiting the heracy of "non believer". But really that would be the popular oppinion that he would prefer moving to a contender.

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#63 speeds
June 09 2009, 08:39PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

As for the question raised by the article, which does this team need more: a LW who can score 50 goals, or an elite defenseman? I love Bouwmeester, but the answer is obvious, isn’t it?

No, it's not, IMO.

(a) I like Bouwmeester's future projection and age more than Heatley's. You never know how both players will adjust to the west/age, but I think I have more concern with Heatley, away from Spezza and Alfredsson than Bouwmeester away from FLA.

(b)Not too often you get a chance to lock up a 25 year old #1 D - in fact, has that kind of player EVER been a UFA in the NHL?

(c)It's true that Heatley fits the immediate needs better, but Bouwmeester isn't a bad fit now if you move one of the current big 3 for a F after acquiring Bouwmeester. And what about years 4/5-10, after Souray and Visnovsky's contracts are done? Very nice to have a 30 year old #1 already in place (assuming Bouwmeester's career goes as expected

(c) both are fairly durable players, but there hasn't been a more durable player since the lockout than Bouwmeester.

He has missed ZERO games since the lockout, and led the league in TOI and TOI per game (among players with 3 or more games played last season) in 2007/8 and 2008/9.

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#64 David S
June 09 2009, 08:46PM
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ShaunDoe wrote:

I was going to add that appeal of him going to a contender but then people might start yelling at me and demanding I confirm my aleigance to the Oil after commiting the heracy of “non believer”. But really that would be the popular oppinion that he would prefer moving to a contender.

Don't get me wrong. I was at a Global media event last night and a guy in our office won an Oilers jersey (a real one). Even though it was signed by Ethan Moreau, I caught myself envying the guy. Too bad because it's probably on Ebay right now.

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#65 Fisher
June 09 2009, 08:56PM
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First, i make the play for J Bo way before Danny H. First, cap is an issue, albeit we can work around it; second i'd rather have the core of D locked up as opposed to the LW spot. And, i think the career trajectory of both players points toward Jay as well. Second, the play to make is to move WAY up in the draft. Barnes was talking today about moving up and trying for Tavares. Personally i like the Swede for number one and it looks as though NYI does too. But, for this team, with J Bo, Tavares could be a hell of a fit. Tampa would rather not have another forward and being "stuck" with John isn't that bad a fate. But, given the bulk of their teams make up up i'd say they aren't all that far off of being in the mix. A big ticket D who moves the puck and some secondary skill to easy the offensive load is what that team needs. I seem to know a team that happens to have some of that to give. Does Vis, Cogs, our first and Marcus Nil do that move up? Perhaps put Patty O in place of Cogs? Cap is suddenly not much of an issue and neither is one shot scorer. We'd be young, mostly built for the future and its about as close to a re-build while being competitive for now as we're gonna see. 3 top 4 D under 26 and an all star to mentor them. Youth, skill and a size up grade up front. I see a future. Thoughts?

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#66 speeds
June 09 2009, 08:59PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Gilbert - Gagner or Cogs - and either 10th pick, Eberle, O’Sullivan or anyone besides Hemsky and we take that deal and looks good to OTT. Worry is being outbid with Frolov (though not sure Sens would want player with 1 year left) and Jack Johnson/Drew Doughty. Either way, we need to make a hard play for him stating only Hemsky not available - unless its a 1 for 1 - which I dont see with Alfie signed for 4 more years. But Heatley for Hemmer straight up would be a go, not adding in Gags though.

Seems like a big overpay by EDM. Heatley is a really nice player, but he also has a 7.5 mil cap hit.

I can see EDM being willing to deal O'Sullivan and one of Grebeshkov/Gilbert, but to add the 10th overall to that is just too much. 10th overall is too good a prospect, will be cheap cap-wise and EDM is tight and could use a player like that in a year or two.

It doesn't make sense to include those two players AND the 10th, they would be better off to move the 2 players in different deals, draft with the 10th, and sign a UFA. That plan requires being able to sign a UFA, and there is, absolutely, something to be said for turning uncertainty into certainty.

But it's a cap world and I think EDM is better off holding on to, say, Gilbert, Cogliano and 10th OV than they are converting them into 7.5 mil cap hit Heatley. It'd be different if his cap hit was different.

As for Doughty, LA would not move him straight up for Heatley, nevermind include him as part of package of youth and/or picks.

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#67 Thunder
June 09 2009, 09:15PM
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myteammytown wrote:

@ legion: im surprised you were able to stop thumping your bible long enough to attempt a post…. well done

Why would you make such an idiotic statement specifically to put someone down. If you haven't noticed this is a HOCKEY forum, leave your childish antics for other sites! At least I know legion will forgive you!!

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#68 Jonathan Willis
June 09 2009, 09:23PM
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speeds wrote:

I can see EDM being willing to deal O’Sullivan and one of Grebeshkov/Gilbert, but to add the 10th overall to that is just too much. 10th overall is too good a prospect, will be cheap cap-wise and EDM is tight and could use a player like that in a year or two.

I tend to agree. Replace that 10th overall pick with Eberle though and I might think twice.

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#69 kris
June 09 2009, 09:27PM
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Gregor:

You don't think Penner could be traded for an inexpensive, average quality 3rd line center, e.g. a Marty Reasoner? Penner's deal is an overpay, but he's a decent top 6 player who can score a few. Granted, any team taking him is losing cap space, but all I said was coming back is a roster player. I'd have thought I was asking too little, not too much.

I admit Staios might be harder to move, but I only said we could get a poor-average 3rd pairing guy for him: e.g. crap all. We could sweeten the deal with a late pick. I think Staios and a 6th is worth a crappy, minimum wage roster player.

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#70 misfit
June 09 2009, 09:40PM
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I'm making a comment on a comment that was made 10-20 comments ago here, but I've always liked Heatley better as a RW than a LW. Obviously, he'd play the left side here just like he is in Ottawa (and he'd be amazing), I just think he's better when he plays starboard.

If I had to chose one, I'd still take Bouwmeester. He's simply the better player of the two, and he's still years from when D-Men are typically in their prime, though Heatley fills a more immediate need. Also, having Bouwmeester on board would put our defense core on par age-wise with the forward group (assuming Souray or Visnovsky is moved as a result) while also improving the quality. And no assets need to be moved to get Bouwmeester.

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#71 Archaeologuy
June 09 2009, 09:54PM
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Geez, you watch one episode of Band of Brothers, go to bed, go to work, and all of a sudden you miss 3 articles and about a gagillion posts.

I think a lot of the trade proposals bantied about are forgetting 1 important fact. The Sens are NOT in a position of strength here. Sure there will be a bidding war for Heatley, but the starting price wont be ridiculously high. Heatley is in the Driver seat here, and unsurprisingly being his passenger isnt a good thing. They arent getting fair value for him. 1 roster player, 1 prospect, 1 pick, Max. Maybe 2 roster players and 1 pick/prospect for Cap reasons. It wont be the Oilers best defenseman, their best 2 young players, their best prospect, and their top 10 draft pick. That is crazy talk. The Sens need puck movers on the back end because they seemed to think that they didnt need to replace Chara, Redden, and Corvo. And, they will need someone to attempt to fill Heatley's spot. Enter Oilers with their abundance of puck moving D-men and try to make something happen.

The Sens can ask for Cogs/Gagner, but thats like the Gypsy asking 30 Euros for the ratty wares they sell on the side of the road. Its a starting price and you move down to something more reasonable unless you're some idiot American who hasnt figured out the Euro is actually worth more than the Dollar. Needless to say, its probably more dangerous to piss off the Gypsy than Murray by saying no, at least Murray wont throw his baby at you and steal your wallet.

On to Heatley and Hemsky. Danny Heatley has never had to play without another talented player. In Atlanta he had Kovalchuk. In Ottawa he has Spezza and Alfredsson. Do we really want to be the first to see if he can do everything by himself by trading Hemsky?

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#72 RossCreek
June 09 2009, 10:12PM
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I kinda agree with speeds I think. I would do everything I could to land both. I don't believe its impossible, but agree its highly unlikely. Sign Boumeester. Trade Souray and Moreau to San Jose for Marleau and Murray; sign Marleau to extension.

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#73 Chris
June 09 2009, 10:19PM
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@ Archaeologuy: Welcome back. My very first proposal read: Gilbert, O'Sullivan, and a prospect or pick (40th). They get a talented left winger to play with Spezza (Albeit a downgrade) and a puck moving D in a salary neutral deal... When we had our last go round about LeCavalier the only forward in the league I found more intreaging was one of either Spezza/Heatley...

That said, if Heatley was willing to come here, Tambellini should be willing to overpay a bit. It's easier to cleverly restock on the O'Sullivan's of this league than on the Heatly's.

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#74 Robin Brownlee
June 09 2009, 10:25PM
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Chris wrote:

My very first proposal read: Gilbert, O’Sullivan,

Didn't Gilbert O'Sullivan have some panty-waste pop hit back in the 1970s? God, I'm a fossil, he did. Some cupcake ditty titled "Alone Again, Naturally." Anyway, carry on . . .

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#75 Archaeologuy
June 09 2009, 10:34PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Didn’t Gilbert O’Sullivan have some panty-waste pop hit back in the 1970s?

Are you sure you werent flashing back to the time you saw the Pirates of Penzance on opening day in 1897? It was right after you invented the question mark and the Semicolon. Thanks to those efforts no one is forced to use a full Colon when only half of one will do. Good job grandpa Brownlee. ;) To make that winky face i used that semicolon. It's so usefull.

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#76 Chris
June 09 2009, 10:52PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

You must have a bead on the possibilities: 2nd round pick 15% chance; Heatley 8% chance; J-Bow 25% etc... Care to share your gut? We all know an Oiler roster shake up is coming... but as a long time fan I've been disappointed again and again... Care to shine that crystal ball?

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#77 Archaeologuy
June 09 2009, 10:54PM
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Chris wrote:

Gilbert, O’Sullivan, and a prospect or pick (40th)

I dont think the Oilers can offer much better NHL ready talent than that and stay Cap friendly. Cogs and Gags are not only the best 2 kids on the team, they provide 2nd line production at a 3rd/4th line cost.

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#78 Robin Brownlee
June 09 2009, 10:55PM
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Let me toss this out and tell me what you think: Would having the Oilers express interest, even indirectly, in Heatley on the team's official website constitute tampering in the eyes of the NHL? The item I'm referring to in written by Dan Tencer of 630 CHED. Now, he's not an employee of the Oilers -- insert obligatory fartcatcher remark here -- but I wonder if he's dancing on the line with this:

"It could be a busy couple of weeks for Oilers General Manager Steve Tambellini leading up to the draft. With news breaking today that Ottawa Senators forward Dany Heatley has asked for a trade out of Ottawa, it's easy to draw a straight line between the two clubs given that the Oilers need scoring help and Ottawa needs mobility on their blueline. Heatley's $7.5M per year cap hit wouldn't be an issue if one of the Oilers top 3 defensemen went back the other way as part of the deal. It's not groundbreaking, but I can confirm the Oilers are interested in acquiring this player and will contact Ottawa to see if a deal can be had."

With the kerfuffle raised by some when a member of the Anaheim Ducks new media/PR department was taking pot shots at the Oilers last season, is there a case to be made Tencer is flirting with the rules by saying the Oilers are interested in Heatley on the team's official site, as opposed to, say, CHED's site? Interesting.

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#79 Sandra Blood
June 09 2009, 10:59PM
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According to " Fred" The Oilers are not sure if J-Bo wants to come here, If he did look for the Oilers to move 2 Top end D, (Vishnoski and Gilbert) if the Oilers can get Heatly. 2 Block busters coming up?

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#80 Robin Brownlee
June 09 2009, 11:01PM
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Chris wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: You must have a bead on the possibilities: 2nd round pick 15% chance; Heatley 8% chance; J-Bow 25% etc… Care to share your gut? We all know an Oiler roster shake up is coming… but as a long time fan I’ve been disappointed again and again… Care to shine that crystal ball?

As I wrote in a previous item, I've heard the move-up pitch so many times I'm a bit numb to it, so I'm a bit jaded on that front. Will the Oilers try? I'm guessing they will, but the last conversation I had led me to believe they'd like to get into the 4-7 spot. Now, there's talk about going for the home run with Tavares. I'll be sniffing around.

As for Bouwmeester and Heatley, they'll be pitching on both. I like their chances with Heatley better than Bouwmeester -- no inside info, just a feeling.

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#81 Sandra Blood
June 09 2009, 11:04PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Let me toss this out and tell me what you think: Would having the Oilers express interest, even indirectly, in Heatley on the team’s official website constitute tampering in the eyes of the NHL? The item I’m referring to in written by Dan Tencer of 630 CHED. Now, he’s not an employee of the Oilers — insert obligatory fartcatcher remark here — but I wonder if he’s dancing on the line with this: “It could be a busy couple of weeks for Oilers General Manager Steve Tambellini leading up to the draft. With news breaking today that Ottawa Senators forward Dany Heatley has asked for a trade out of Ottawa, it’s easy to draw a straight line between the two clubs given that the Oilers need scoring help and Ottawa needs mobility on their blueline. Heatley’s $7.5M per year cap hit wouldn’t be an issue if one of the Oilers top 3 defensemen went back the other way as part of the deal. It’s not groundbreaking, but I can confirm the Oilers are interested in acquiring this player and will contact Ottawa to see if a deal can be had.” With the kerfuffle raised by some when a member of the Anaheim Ducks new media/PR department was taking pot shots at the Oilers last season, is there a case to be made Tencer is flirting with the rules by saying the Oilers are interested in Heatley on the team’s official site, as opposed to, say, CHED’s site? Interesting.

Robin, no direspect but if a player "requested " a trade, won't the Oilers call and say they are "interested" and let the fans know also, to let us know it's time to get excited and maybe Horcoff will be gone? Hopefully.....gone

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#82 Archaeologuy
June 09 2009, 11:08PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: It's pretty shady to put that stuff out there on the official website. I wouldnt like that if I were the Sens.

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#83 Jonathan Willis
June 09 2009, 11:10PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Depends on if Murray is as touchy as Burke, doesn't it? I think they'll probably get away with it, but it does seem like one of those spots where the lines get awful blurry.

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#84 Jonathan Willis
June 09 2009, 11:11PM
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Sandra Blood wrote:

it’s time to get excited and maybe Horcoff will be gone? Hopefully…..gone

Oh, absolutely. I am ~so eager~ to enter next season with Gagner, Cogliano, Brodziak and Pouliot as this team's top-four centres.

With depth like that, the team is practically unbeatable.

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#85 Robin Brownlee
June 09 2009, 11:15PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: Depends on if Murray is as touchy as Burke, doesn’t it? I think they’ll probably get away with it, but it does seem like one of those spots where the lines get awful blurry.

Murray might be as touchy as Burke when it comes to the Oilers after Lowe tried to put the arm on him and queered the Comrie deal (unless Tambellini offers a drop-dead package).

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#86 Sandra Blood
June 09 2009, 11:18PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Sandra Blood wrote: it’s time to get excited and maybe Horcoff will be gone? Hopefully…..gone Oh, absolutely. I am ~so eager~ to enter next season with Gagner, Cogliano, Brodziak and Pouliot as this team’s top-four centres. With depth like that, the team is practically unbeatable.

There are a lot of centers that will be on the market this year, You can throw Brodziak and Pouly there too.

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#87 Equinox
June 09 2009, 11:20PM
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I see a few posts regarding age as a factor in the "who would you rather have" sweepstakes discussion. Consider that there are only 3 years separating the ages of Heatley and J-Bo and there is not much to worry about. Heatley will be 32 maybe 33 when his contract expires which is still young. I see it as three years longer than Heatley has proved himself. At the time, he was given what was considered a rediculous contract, but look at it now. 7.5 cap hit is doable, and we were willing to shell out 9 mill to Hossa for a decade.

This team for years has begged for a bonafide sniper and despite what everyone considers a poor year by Heatley, he had 39 goals. How can you not want that? This is likely the one trade where you can get fair value if not better. Ottowa has a little more leverage than the Oilers did when trading Pronger. (I have a feeling that might provoke some people as a poor comparison, but have at it.)

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#88 Hockey Gods
June 09 2009, 11:49PM
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I think it's a no-brainer, Heatly. This team has been desperately looking to aquire a true one shot scorer for years, and snipers like Heatly don't come around too often, so make it happen. I am with the masses in saying it can cost anything except Hemsky or Gagner to get it done, and don't be afraid to over pay with a few of the smallish forwards.

Question for Brownlee... I can totally understand the Oilers interest in Boumeester, but would Boumeester be truely interest in coming to Edmonton? And not for the no superstars want to be in Edmonton mumbo jumbo, but if I am Jay, I look at the roster and see: Souray (NMC, signed long term) Vishnosky sp?? (NMC, signed long term), Gilbert (Here for the time being and signed affordably), and Grebeshkov (up and coming puck mover and unsigned affordable RFA). So Robin, Does Jay not look at that and say great offer, I would be nice have supper every Sunday at Ma and Pa's; but where do I fit? And will I be the centerpiece?

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#89 Dan Tencer
June 10 2009, 12:06AM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Intriguing point...you might have something there, I'm not sure about the rules. I'd hope that because the byline on the main page clearly states my affiliation there wouldn't be an issue.

That said, it was a CHED article first and I offered it to the Oilers Dot Com team...and they decided to post it. Just for background...it wasn't written with the Oilers site in mind.

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#90 David S
June 10 2009, 12:11AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Oh, absolutely. I am ~so eager~ to enter next season with Gagner, Cogliano, Brodziak and Pouliot as this team’s top-four centres. With depth like that, the team is practically unbeatable.

That was just great.

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#91 Hemmertime
June 10 2009, 12:16AM
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speeds wrote:

Seems like a big overpay by EDM. Heatley is a really nice player, but he also has a 7.5 mil cap hit.

We overpay in players in a trade to land the Star player we have been wanting. Either that or we attempt to land a star player overpaying in money in FA. Id rather give up more depth now and have the star locked in for 5 years. We can fill the holes come free agency with non-star players.

With Katz wanting to land a superstar - I can see there being a "Get it done!" text and our GM will throw whatever he can at them to land Heatley. If you asked any Oiler fan at the start of each season who their dream LW would be for Hemsky, Kovalchuk - then Heatley - would likely be the answer. (Natural LW, no Malkin, Hossa) Unless you like Nash more, but hes only .8 PPG, granted doesnt have Alfie and Spezza.

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#92 Hemmertime
June 10 2009, 12:21AM
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Forgot OV

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#93 jparas
June 10 2009, 01:33AM
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its all about shrewd management and making agressive bold moves. Doing what it takes to find out if bouwmeester is interested. Offer nilson and pouliot(maybe it takes a prospect too) for his rights but ask to talk to his agent first if a deal is possible. To me this is a great way to free 3mil of cap and get j-bo or know if it ain't goin to happen.next trade extra cap space over to ott Gilbert,Sully, Moreau, Chorney and 2010 2nd rnd they could use moreau to replace Neil and it moves more salary. It may be what it takes,(I read somwhere they love Chorney) too much maybe but it doesn't matter. Next offer 10th overall Visnovsky or souray, and penner for tampa bays 2nd and malone. penner for malone saves them 2.75 mil for the next two years but only costs edm .25mil more in cap and he scores close two 30/yr and is a total prick to play against he would be a menacing presence on gags's wing. Trade schremp,(insert another prospect here if needed) and 3rd rounder for harding or get roli, anderson, clemenson as ufas ext.. it probably doesn't matter except harding could be a long term solution. Next get a real shut down, face off winning, penaly killing 3rd line center. Betts is probaly cheaper than Malhotra and has ties to Renny which may help land him at a reasonable rate.

heatly horc hemmer 17.2 mil 90 g malone gags tavares 7 mil 70 g cogs betts/malhotra pisani 5.5 mil 50 g jacques brodziak stortini 2 mil 30 g

j-bow vish/souray 12.5 mil 30 g grebs smid 5 mil 10 g staios peckham 3.4 mil 8 g

harding 2.0 mil jdd .65 mil

55.25 mil With call ups and extra forwards this line up should be able to score 275 to 300 goals. The defencive play should be better and special teams should improve. If you had too, staios surely could be moved and strudwick resigned to save a couple mil to pay 13 and 14th frd and 7th d. IMO these are very strong offers as far as trades go and I know these are everything goes right scenarios but other teams have pulled off these kind of moves namely philly a couple of yrs ago so a guy can dream. Heatly and J-bo both have roots here and it may make Edm an option for them like Souray.

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#94 Robin Brownlee
June 10 2009, 07:45AM
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@ Dan Tencer: From where I sit, you writing that the Oilers are interested in Heatley is no different than me writing it. Unless a hockey ops person from one organization is phoning or texting or e-mailing a player from another organization, or his agent, and telling them how great it would be if they asked for a trade etc etc, I don't see an issue. The "tampering" issue has grown into a boogeyman where any given GM doesn't even feel comfortable saying, "Player X is something special. I'd have him on my team any day . . ."

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#95 Milli
June 10 2009, 08:08AM
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oh man, if Tambo can't pull this off, Heatley, Jbow and Hossa, I say can his A$$. He's a worse gm then Milbury. I mean trade for Heatley, sign Jbow then tell Hossa we got the cup covered, not like those chumps in Detroit....

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#96 David S
June 10 2009, 08:17AM
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Milli wrote:

oh man, if Tambo can’t pull this off, Heatley, Jbow and Hossa, I say can his A$$. He’s a worse gm then Milbury. I mean trade for Heatley, sign Jbow then tell Hossa we got the cup covered, not like those chumps in Detroit….

On the one side there's Gregor, Brownlee and Jonathan. On the other is HF stuff like this.

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#97 Archaeologuy
June 10 2009, 08:23AM
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@ David S: I thought that he wasnt being serious. Maybe I gave him too much credit. Milli, serious?

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#98 Robin Brownlee
June 10 2009, 08:54AM
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Milli wrote:

oh man, if Tambo can’t pull this off, Heatley, Jbow and Hossa, I say can his A$$. He’s a worse gm then Milbury. I mean trade for Heatley, sign Jbow then tell Hossa we got the cup covered, not like those chumps in Detroit….

The whole point of what's been written is there's no way for the Oilers to acquire Bouwmeester and Heatley, or Heatley and Hossa or Bouwmeester and Lecavalier or fill-in-the-blanks when it comes to landing two players with huge cap hits. Here's a bizarre concept: can you take the time to read and perhaps even try to comprehend what's being said before responding with FanBoy jargon?

And "chumps in Detroit?" Right. What a bunch of clowns the Red Wings are. What have they won? Get real.

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#99 Robin Brownlee
June 10 2009, 09:06AM
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Interesting item from Ryan Rishaug at TSN this morning about Heatley being willing to lift his NMC to come to Edmonton. I'm guessing the source is agent JP Barry. A word of caution, though. Don't get too carried away with this revelation. What else is Heatley going to say? It makes no sense for him to ask for a trade and then begin shooting down team after team as possibilities. If he and Barry have the final call, they're going to want the longest line-up of teams they can get. Murray is going to get lots of action between now and the draft.

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#100 Milli
June 10 2009, 10:05AM
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man guys, it's called sarcasm. If Tambo could land one of them I'd be dancing!!! Lighten up.

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