All in the family: Edmonton snubbed again

Robin Brownlee
July 13 2009 09:06AM

David Musil grew up in Edmonton. His dad, Frank, you might remember, played for the Edmonton Oilers for three seasons. He's been employed by the Oilers as a scout since he retired as a player in 2001.

Frank's baby boy used to have the run of Rexall Place when his dad played here. You'd see him around the dressing room. David would throw on his skates and helmet and wobble around out on the ice after practice.

Zip ahead to 2009, and little David is a six-foot-five defenceman projected by some to be a top-five pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft, and he's coming to North America to play in the Western Hockey League this season.

Call me crazy, but. given the above, I'd have thought the Edmonton Oil Kings, the WHL team owned by the Oilers, might have had a pretty good shot at landing Musil.

Apparently, the Oil Kings had no shot. None. No, David Musil will play the 2009-10 WHL season with the Vancouver Giants. My question is why? My question is how? More on that later.

First. here's the skinny on Musil's convoluted journey from the Czech Republic to Vancouver, the unofficial WHL Welcome Wagon for young Czech players, from Greg Drinnan of the Kamloops Daily News. It's from Drinnan's Taking Note blog this past Saturday.

How it went down

Drinnan writes:

"So, it would seem the WHL gathered its pooh-bahs in a closet and held a draft of some sort to decide for whom D David Musil, the 16-year-old son of former NHLer Frantisek Musil, should play. Even though I’m thinking it already had been decided that he would play for the Vancouver Giants and only the Vancouver Giants. Even with the decision having already been made, it would seem that there was more clandestine activity around this draft than in any of the Jason Bourne movies. Anyway, the Kootenay Ice — as reported by radio voice Jeff Hollick — won the draft, which means, one supposes, that they got the short straw. But wait... there’s more. The Musil family, wanting their son playing major junior hockey, apparently has relocated from Czech Republic to the Lower Mainland area of B.C. Which, if you check a map, isn’t in close proximity to Cranbrook, which is in B.C., but isn’t quite what the Musils had in mind for David, who is said to be one of the top prospects for the NHL's 2011 draft. So, enter the Giants. The Giants apparently have traded a 2010 fifth-round bantam pick and a 2011 first-round bantam pick to the Ice for Musil’s rights. David Musil, who grew up in Edmonton, stands 6-foot-5. He had one assist in 14 games with Dukla Jihlava in the Czech Elite League. Yes, he was the youngest player in the league. He also had six points in nine games with Dukla Jihlava’s junior side. He also had three points in four games with the Czech U-17 team and two in 13 games with the U-18 team. But, as a 1993-born player, he wouldn’t have been eligible for the CHL import draft until 2011. Thus, one supposes, the need to hold this special draft, what with the family having relocated to North America."

Just asking...

So, Frank Musil — did I mention he's an Oilers scout? — wants his son to play major junior hockey. Makes sense. Likewise, its understandable that he wants to be as close to his son as possible.

So, Frank — did I mention he's an Oilers scout? — decided to move his family to the Lower Mainland and not to Edmonton, the city in which the team that employs him, plays. The city in which the WHL team the Oilers own, the Oil Kings, play. Got a problem with that?

It just so happens the Oil Kings made a trade with the Chilliwack Bruins with an eye to taking Musil in the 2011 CHL Import Draft. That, and the same line of thinking — that Musil wants his son to play major junior hockey and would prefer to be close to his son — could have landed the younger Musil in Oil Kings silks, no?

If you believe that somebody at some point told Kootenay management Musil would play for Vancouver and nobody else, thus prompting the trade between the Ice and Giants, could that somebody have not steered Musil to the Oil Kings — did I mention the Oilers own the Oil Kings? — through the same channels?

No sniff for Edmonton

Did Frank Musil ever try to steer his son toward the Oil Kings or did he just take a hands-off approach and leave it to somebody else? Did Frank Musil ever give the Oil Kings a heads-up his son wanted to come west?

What are the odds agent Edmonton Ritch Winter and his Sports Corporation, which used to represent the old man, are that somebody else? Do they represent David Musil? I'm guessing Frank Musil didn't orchestrate this by himself.

Other Sports Corporation clients of Czech origin, notably Marek Schwarz and Andrej Meszaros, also ended up in Vancouver in recent years. Now Musil. Maybe the meal money is better there.

I'm guessing Oil Kings GM is Bob Green isn't too happy right now. Green had a track record of success in Medicine Hat and he's put together a pretty decent team here in just three seasons. Musil would have been a prized recruit and prime addition.

I can't imagine the Oilers, who pay Musil's salary, are overjoyed about how this went down, either.

Nor should they be.

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#51 Stanky
July 13 2009, 01:46PM
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This is all a bit silly. For any of you who are fathers, tell me this, what comes first in your life? Your Children? Or you Job? I would hope that answer is obvious.

If you worked at Mcdonalds and your son was who just graduated from Law school is looking for a job, are you going to suggest that he works at Mcdonalds as well just because you work there? No.

Does it not make perfect sense that Frank would want his son to play where he has the highest chance to succeed? To allow him to play where ever he feels is the best place to further his hockey career? Yes, perfect sense.

Sometimes we need to remember that to some people somethings are more important than the Oilers.

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#52 Dodd
July 13 2009, 01:47PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

@ Dodd: I appreciate the feedback. As has been mentioned, I’m not one of those people who crys “poor Edmonton” every time a player refuses to come here or asks to be traded. There are lots of reasons why players choose to play here and reasons why some don’t. Using “poor us” as a catch-all crutch makes no sense to me. That said, in this case — because of the Musil’s history with the Oilers as a player and his current employment as a scout — I find it odd that the Oil Kings got no sniff on one of the best defence prospects ever to come out of the Czech Republic. Just because there’s been too many cases where the “poor Edmonton” angle has been played out, doesn’t mean there aren’t legitimate cases where it applies. I think this is one of them.

Thanks for injecting some rational thought here, Robin. I certainly think highly of you and I am in danger of giving folks here the wrong idea via some over zealous Brownlee defenders. Not my intent to diss anybody.

However, you have stated here that you feel this is a legitimate case of a snub, yet I still see no real materialization of it. So we couldn't follow through with some good old fashion nepotism... snub? Really?

Without any statement of not wanting to play for the Oil Kings, an Oiler employees kid is playing in BC. Add the fact that the Oil Kings wanted him, and that's the end of the story.

Unless everyone here knows more than I do about this ( and this is VERY possible) I just don't know why this is another "legitimate case where it applies".

I can certainly be convinced, but I'm afraid I would need facts.

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#53 Robin Brownlee
July 13 2009, 01:51PM
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For those longing for some REAL Oilers news, the pre-season schedule has been released . . .

EDMONTON OILERS 2009-10 PRE-SEASON SCHEDULE

DATE OPPONENT VENUE TIME (MT) September 15, 2009 at Calgary Pengrowth Saddledome 7:00 p.m. September 16, 2009 vs. New York Islanders Rexall Place 7:00 p.m. September 18, 2009 vs. Florida Rexall Place 7:00 p.m. September 19, 2009 at Vancouver GM Place 8:00 p.m. September 20, 2009 at New York Islanders (at Saskatoon) Credit Union Centre 7:00 p.m. September 23, 2009 vs. Calgary Rexall Place 7:00 p.m. September 24, 2009 at Tampa Bay (at Winnipeg) MTS Centre 6:30 p.m. September 27, 2009 vs. Vancouver Rexall Place 6:00 p.m.

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#54 Jon Kerber
July 13 2009, 01:55PM
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I don't know, this really sounds like an argument based on entitlement to me. Unless we have direct evidence that suggests that the draft was not legitimate, which we don't, I don't know if the Oilers or Oil Kings can complain about anything really.

The Vancouver Giants gave up a very legitimate set of assets for a player in a very unique set of circumstances, and in a general sense I'm very excited to see what Frank's son can do in a league we can all see very often. He's almost certainly a lock to play in the memorial cup and the whispers are that at this very early stage he's the favorite to go first overall in 2011.

Must be very exciting for Frank.

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#55 Reagan
July 13 2009, 01:59PM
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Stanky,

I think you fail to see that Rich Winter is a dick. This is one of many occasions the Oilers and the organization have had back door deals being swept under their feet. Rich Winter is an ass, and is all the things wrong with an agent and wrong in the NHL.

So are you saying that he couldn't succeed in Edmonton? So I guess Edmonton can't make hockey careers work. Yeah, Edmonton should probably fold their franchises and open up shop in Red Deer. That is essentially what you are saying. At least that the impression some of us take on you comments.

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#56 Ccubed82
July 13 2009, 02:08PM
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Just looked at the preseason sched. I was wondering why we are seeing Florida and Tampa. I understand that we dont get to see the SE division teams to often, but why not one team from every division, that would be 6 of the 8 games covered. I do like the games being played in Saskatoon and Winnipeg. The MTS Centre in the Peg is a beautiful arena.

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#57 Robin Brownlee
July 13 2009, 02:11PM
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@ Reagan: I didn't say to much about any involvement by the Sports Corporation because what I think and what I know are two different things and I'm not about to pull ON lawyers into action by making accusations I can't substantiate. That's why I framed much of what I wrote in the form of questions, not statements.

I tend to agree with Drinnan that Musil going to Vancouver seemed to be a foregone conclusion that was dressed up for appearance sake by this "draft." If Musil's camp -- be it his father or any agent who is representing or counselling him -- makes it clear to everybody that drafting Musil is a waste of time because he will only play for Vancouver, then the whole process is a bit of a sham.

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#58 Stanky
July 13 2009, 02:16PM
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Reagan wrote:

Stanky, I think you fail to see that Rich Winter is a dick. This is one of many occasions the Oilers and the organization have had back door deals being swept under their feet. Rich Winter is an ass, and is all the things wrong with an agent and wrong in the NHL. So are you saying that he couldn’t succeed in Edmonton? So I guess Edmonton can’t make hockey careers work. Yeah, Edmonton should probably fold their franchises and open up shop in Red Deer. That is essentially what you are saying. At least that the impression some of us take on you comments.

Hey Mcdonalds is a very successful franchise.

Playing for a team that has a chance to go to the memorial cup is more beneficial to a young star than playing for a team who will struggle to make the playoffs. You can't argue that Vancouver is a better destination for this kid.

As far as Rich Winters involvement in this, I haven't read anything besides this "article" which would suggest that he had any wrong doing in this. Thats not saying that he is a good person though.

The only reason this is a story at all is because his father works for the Oilers. If Frank feels that Vancouver is a better hockey destination for his son than Edmonton then I see no problem in that.

The Oil Kings were surely aware that Musil was going to be coming west to play in the WHL, they would have been notified about the lottery. At that point they would have had just as much of a chance to negotiate with the ice to try to make Musil an Oil King.

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#59 Stanky
July 13 2009, 02:23PM
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Ccubed82 wrote:

Just looked at the preseason sched. I was wondering why we are seeing Florida and Tampa. I understand that we dont get to see the SE division teams to often, but why not one team from every division, that would be 6 of the 8 games covered. I do like the games being played in Saskatoon and Winnipeg. The MTS Centre in the Peg is a beautiful arena.

The Oilers and Florida always get together for pre season games, not sure why, maybe their training camps run on a similar schedule and the times that they are both looking for games match up nicely.

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#60 Sandra
July 13 2009, 02:23PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

For those longing for some REAL Oilers news, the pre-season schedule has been released . . . EDMONTON OILERS 2009-10 PRE-SEASON SCHEDULE DATE OPPONENT VENUE TIME (MT) September 15, 2009 at Calgary Pengrowth Saddledome 7:00 p.m. September 16, 2009 vs. New York Islanders Rexall Place 7:00 p.m. September 18, 2009 vs. Florida Rexall Place 7:00 p.m. September 19, 2009 at Vancouver GM Place 8:00 p.m. September 20, 2009 at New York Islanders (at Saskatoon) Credit Union Centre 7:00 p.m. September 23, 2009 vs. Calgary Rexall Place 7:00 p.m. September 24, 2009 at Tampa Bay (at Winnipeg) MTS Centre 6:30 p.m. September 27, 2009 vs. Vancouver Rexall Place 6:00 p.m.

Now maybe the training camp will be used correctly by the coaches , unlike the way MacT used to. The team will be ready out of the gate. Any word from the Great MacT, has he had any interviews? Will he be the next Brent Sutter? Hell even Crawford got a job.

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#61 Hemmertime
July 13 2009, 02:26PM
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Mark wrote:

what’s the issue? Oh right, the fact that our GM’s trade away every first round draft pick for mediocre crap. Now I see why we’re all miffed.

Name the years we didnt have a first round pick. My research shows 2006. The next year we made up with it with 3 First Rounders. There has also been multiple years where we have multiple picks in the first round.

So you sir are completely incorrect, we just draft sh*tty

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#62 Robin Brownlee
July 13 2009, 02:28PM
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@ Sandra: As you've probably noticed, MacT is laying very low right now. I haven't seen a word from him, outside of a very short quote from Jim Matheson a few weeks ago.

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#63 Sandra
July 13 2009, 02:36PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: I think he is the next Mario Tremblay,a bride for 9 years then a brides maid for ever.

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#64 Hemmertime
July 13 2009, 02:37PM
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I heard MacT is considering doing the Calgary Flames colour commentary. He always let it be known that he absolutely ~loved~ the coaches that did that. Him and Harvey the Hound will be seen partying it up, too bad hes mute now sans tongue

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#65 Chris.
July 13 2009, 02:45PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Frank Musil’s done a lot of good for the Oilers; Grebeshkov was certainly one of his finds and there have been others

Do you have any specific examples? Musil has been the Oilers head European professional scout for nearly ten years... Did I miss something... or am I out to lunch thinking the Oilers haven't exactly been flush with European talent? Hemsky was aquired through the amature side... who else from Europe has made much of an impact?

Based on performance alone Musil should be replaced. I'm sure Katz could lure away a more suitable European scout... (Maybe one that actually plans to LIVE in Europe...)

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#66 BigE57
July 13 2009, 02:54PM
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Chris. wrote:

Frank Musil’s done a lot of good for the Oilers; Grebeshkov was certainly one of his finds and there have been others Do you have any specific examples?

Isn't Greb's a specific example?

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#67 The Menace
July 13 2009, 02:59PM
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In reading the comments here, I'm most disappointed that there haven't been more Czech jokes. How about "Musil would have been on the Oil Kings' Czech-list", or, "Frank had better Czech himself, before he wrecks himself", or something like that?

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#68 kingsblade
July 13 2009, 03:01PM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

Like someone mentioned, he works for the Oilers, not the Oil Kings, and the Giants are not competition for the Oilers. If he was directed to play for another AHL team and snub Springfield, that would be different.

People seem to forget that it is a business. The Oil Kings are owned by the Oilers. Musil is going to a direct competitor of the Oil Kings, which by definition is a direct competitor of the Oilers.

I am unsure on which side of the fence I fall on this issue, but the argument that the Giants are not in competition with the Oilers does not apply. The fact that they don't compete against each other on the ice has no bearing on whether or not they are competitors in the business of hockey.

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#69 Gord Heck
July 13 2009, 03:02PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Driving up QEII yesterday near Innisfail, got a good chuckle out of a large truck/trailer that had a window logo that read "MACT WELDING". Didn't notice if Huddy was in the passenger seat.

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#70 Librarian Mike
July 13 2009, 03:07PM
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@ Gord Heck:

There wasn't a "I (heart) Red Ox Construction" bumper sticker, was there?

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#71 Gord Heck
July 13 2009, 03:09PM
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@ Librarian Mike: Can't remember. I think the truck was a Dodge Ram 3500 pulling an RV.

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#72 Librarian Mike
July 13 2009, 03:14PM
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@ Gord Heck:

No, no. I was trying to make a lame joke. haha.

As for MacT, I'd love to hear him doing commentary for CBC, now that Squeaky McThug is in Dallas.

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#73 BigE57
July 13 2009, 03:41PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

I (heart) Red Ox Construction

That is priceless......

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#74 Chris
July 13 2009, 03:46PM
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@BigE57

I ment ANOTHER example. One guy in nine years okay with you?

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#75 Gord Heck
July 13 2009, 03:48PM
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@ BigE57: Librarian Mike wrote:

I (heart) Red Ox Construction

That is priceless……

Had to read it twice, that is awesome. I am sure they offer "Reasoner"able rates.

Read more: http://www.oilersnation.com/2009/07/all-in-the-family-edmonton-snubbed-again/#ixzz0LB7Sf90j&C

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#76 johnnyshaka
July 13 2009, 03:49PM
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How the hell does the CHL even do crap like this? The kid isn't old enough to be drafted into the CHL yet so why are we even talking about this now? Ridiculous.

Begs to question, how often does this garbage happen?

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#77 moelemaystays
July 13 2009, 03:54PM
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The Menace wrote:

In reading the comments here, I’m most disappointed that there haven’t been more Czech jokes. How about “Musil would have been on the Oil Kings’ Czech-list”, or, “Frank had better Czech himself, before he wrecks himself”, or something like that?

Frank Musil? Ya he's a Hall of Famer......in the Czech Republic! Just for you Menace.

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#78 Harlie
July 13 2009, 04:03PM
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Didn't Meta-Musil play for the Flames too? Nuff' said.

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#79 OprahsSandwich
July 13 2009, 04:05PM
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I happen to know Ritch Winter.

He is not a a$$hole. He just happens to be a good business man who gets what he wants for his client and himself. He doesn't care what people think of him.

Are there consequences that come with his actions? Sure.

This is life and business.

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#80 The Menace
July 13 2009, 04:09PM
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@ moelemaystays: He's moving his wife to the Lower Mainland? That's a Czech-Mate!

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#81 Librarian Mike
July 13 2009, 04:09PM
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Harlie wrote:

Didn’t Meta-Musil play for the Flames too? Nuff’ said.

Meta-Musil? HAHAHA

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#82 Hemmertime
July 13 2009, 04:10PM
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Chris wrote:

I ment ANOTHER example. One guy in nine years okay with you?

Seemingly better than our first round picks and rest of our scouting team. And why is Grebeshkov being creditted to Musil? He was a trade, drafted by LA. A dump of M.A Bergeron for a D with similar style (we won that deal hands down imo).

So why we crediting Musil? He whisper in Lowes ear to do the deal?

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#83 BigE57
July 13 2009, 04:13PM
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@ Chris: Who's to say how many guys Musil has scouted out for the Oilers over the years that they passed on...Grebs is one they picked up but there could be countless others that he's recommended but been passed over. And what does it matter where he lives? A scouts life is based on the road moving from rink to rink so whether he lives in Prague or Cranbrook really doesn't make that much difference.

It's funny to me that there are a lot of fans out there that would put the entire Oilers staff on the firing line if they could. Musil being the most recent example. How often do we hear about him and what he does, virtually never until today when an article calls him out for not giving his employer a heads up regarding his sons WHL options...sure he could have given the Oil Kings/Oilers a heads up aside from that the guys done nothing wrong and criticizng his job performance or lack of success is pretty tough when you consider that his job is basically to feed talent reports and recommendations to management so that they can make ultimate decisions on player personell.

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#84 charlieangels
July 13 2009, 04:20PM
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Is it true that MacT is not one of the best coaches in the NHL? I bet he will be a good TV announcer?

How come he never addressed the media when he left on his own?

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#85 Reagan
July 13 2009, 04:21PM
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Robin,

I know exactly what you were thinking when you wrote your article.:)

I am only a fan but, I think I am worthy of expressing how I feel about that Weasel. It's really too bad that he lives here and also convinces his clients not to work here...:) And Edmonton is his home...

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#86 charlieangels
July 13 2009, 04:39PM
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Hey maybe MacT can get the Team 1260 morning show

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#87 Wanye Gretz
July 13 2009, 04:52PM
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Gord Heck wrote:

Librarian Mike wrote: I (heart) Red Ox Construction

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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#88 Beukaboom
July 13 2009, 05:50PM
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Who are the 2 new signings? Depth for springfield?

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#89 Jonathan Willis
July 13 2009, 06:00PM
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Beukaboom wrote:

Who are the 2 new signings? Depth for springfield?

A goon for Springfield and a top-level AHL forward who will probably be a tweener.

These signings are actually old news, though they're only being officially announced today.

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#90 Librarian Mike
July 13 2009, 06:03PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Maybe they'll try the Steve Jobs method of, after announcing 2 plugs, adding on the last line:

"The Oilers also signed Joe Thornton to 5 years/$30 million."

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#91 oil fan
July 13 2009, 06:19PM
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I agree with Robin on this one

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#92 kingsblade
July 13 2009, 07:02PM
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OprahsSandwich wrote:

He doesn’t care what people think of him.

Most a$$holes don't.

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#93 Chris
July 13 2009, 07:39PM
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BigE57 wrote:

It’s funny to me that there are a lot of fans out there that would put the entire Oilers staff on the firing line if they could.

And, in turn, it's funny to ME, that one of the poorest run franchises in the entire NHL still has so many apologists. Let's just pretent for one second that this is a performance oriented business and that finding late round gems in Europe is important. (Let's also not forget that Grebeskov didn't exactly arrive without his warts.)

While Musil was making "recommendations", Hakan Anderson's crew was busy drafting professional European players like Hudler, Filppula, and Franzen. IMO, Anderson has set the standard for excellence in scouting... By comparison what has Musil done? Does anyone have a tangible, behind the scenes story... beacause the story on the ice hasn't been pretty.

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#94 Robin Brownlee
July 13 2009, 07:44PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Beukaboom wrote: Who are the 2 new signings? Depth for springfield? A goon for Springfield and a top-level AHL forward who will probably be a tweener. These signings are actually old news, though they’re only being officially announced today.

Why the disdain for tough guys? Maybe I'm reading too much into a simple term, but your repeated use of the word "goon" when referring to them leads me to believe you don't put much value in the job description -- even if in this case it fits.

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#95 Robin Brownlee
July 13 2009, 08:42PM
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@ BigE57: In defence of Frank, he begged the Oilers to take Jiri Hudler at the 2002 draft in Montreal. I remember sitting with Musil in the hotel lobby and he talked glowingly about him because he'd played against Hudler. While it could be argued taking Hudler with the Oilers pick was too high -- he ended up going 58th to Detroit, largely because he was small -- they instead took Jesse Niinimaki. We know how that turned out.

To be honest, I've always considered Frank to be a really decent guy and I admired him for his work ethic and the kind of honest player he was. This is a guy who once took a job in a meat packing plant in the off-season to supplement his salary when he was with Calgary. And, as you might know, Frank's fitness testing results, even at the end of his career, were absolutely astounding.

I'm not trying to smear Frank, but it just strikes me as odd how this whole thing went down. I get it that he wants the best for his son. I get it that he's under no obligation to insist that his son play in Edmonton. At the same time, he always talked about how he enjoyed his time here, yet it seems Edmonton was never even an outside consideration. As for the Giante being a better team, there's no question of that over the past three years, but I'll be interested to see how much better the Giants are than the Oil Kings this season.

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#96 Roz
July 13 2009, 09:34PM
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johnnyshaka wrote:

How the hell does the CHL even do crap like this? The kid isn’t old enough to be drafted into the CHL yet so why are we even talking about this now? Ridiculous. Begs to question, how often does this garbage happen?

Actually, his draft year if he lived in Western Canada was last year. The thing is the import draft would be in 2011 for him. Since he is moving to Canada they have to draft him. He can't just come over and play for whoever he decides. The other thing is this would be his first eligible year to play in the WHL as no one under the age of 16 can play in the WHL, with a few exceptions like affiliate to a max of X number of games or special permission (John Traveres)

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#97 BigE57
July 13 2009, 09:56PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: It is funny that the Oil Kings didn't even get a shot at the kid....In the end where better to watch your kids development than with the organization you work for?

@ Chris: Sure Anderson has a great record, and he's had the support of the Red Wings organization all the way along. We don't know what the Oilers organization was expecting from their scouts, as Robin just said Musil wanted them to draft Hudler when they had a chance.

I'm not apologetic about the way this organization has been run.....I just don't think you execute the soldiers for the Generals mistake.

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#98 Chris
July 13 2009, 10:20PM
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@ BigE57:

These aren't Soldiers... these are paid professionals who aren't keeping pace with their competition. None of us would feel the least bit bad if Tambellini upgraded Nilsson... Why would we be against, or feel bad, if Katz upgraded Musil?

It is true that I haven't been privy to all the private converastions; I admit I don't have the inside scoop... But the quality of Oiler prospects out of Europe the last ten years has been lacking. The Scouts make the lists. The scouts pick the players. I seriously doubt Oiler GM's disregarded the recommendations of Musil. As a fan, I'd like to see all the entire scouting department reviewed and upgraded: much like the coaching. If Katz can't pay for willing UFA's; he can at least poach the industries finest minds in player procurement and development. Pretty good, or even above average scouting won't win the Oilers any cups.

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#99 BigE57
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Chris wrote:

The scouts pick the players. I seriously doubt Oiler GM’s disregarded the recommendations of Musil.

Did you not read this?

Robin Brownlee wrote:

In defence of Frank, he begged the Oilers to take Jiri Hudler at the 2002 draft in Montreal

These are soldiers, hired to do the job management has outlined for them. No one has been more successful in drafting Europeans than Detroit in recent years but I personally have no clue about their rating system and how they exactly they are evaluating players in order to come up with the gems they do.

Just as an aside I can see on the Oilers website under the in the system heading that the Oilers have at least 12 European draft picks from the last 9 years, and you can't tell me that the Musil didn't have a hand in scouting MPS (though he was a pretty easy pick) or Lander this year.

It's fine to base your arguement on Detroits success drafting Europeans but it seems to me they are more the exception than the rule when it comes to scouting out players on either side of the pond.

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#100 Chris
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@ BigE57:

You do realize Scouts make a list and then pick the next available BPA according to their list? Hudler wasn't going to go 15th... Prendergast took Niinimaki, probably with Musil's blessing (being that he helped scout him and all)...

But let's assume Musil is the brightest and the best, and Stu MacGregor and Predergast have repeatedly ignored brilliant Musil advice. Let's look at Oiler European scouting in general: In 2002 alone, the Oilers drafted 6 players out of Europe who have played a combined total of THREE NHL games. In fact, between when Lowe brought Musil on board as part of his "revamped" scouting staff and the lockout; the Oilers have drafted 19 European players. Of that group: only Ales Hemsky and Jussi Markkanen have played more than a few games; and nobody the Oilers have drafted out of Europe post lockout has played a single game. Let's face it, if it weren't for Hemsky, the whole crew would have been sent packing years ago... Let the truth come out after a full review. Who knows? Maybe Musil could be a big part of a RE-revamped scouting staff... Or, more likely, he is a second tier scout: part of a staff assembled years ago under a tight budget.

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