The Dany Heatley Saga: Marathon or Death March?

Jonathan Willis
July 14 2009 11:11AM

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“Oil trade for Dany still alive” proclaims the Ottawa Sun, “but it could be slammed shut soon”.

Why (or perhaps "for the love of all that is good and holy why can't this be over already"), you ask ? Because, according to journalist Chris Stevenson, “an NHL source indicated yesterday the Oilers' patience is wearing thin to have Heatley agree to a deal and they could give up and move on perhaps as early as today.”

No doubt this would be welcome news to some – even many – Oilers fans, but I wouldn’t get too excited about it just yet, because of a Dan Barnes article we talked about a few days ago. Quoting Barnes:

The source also said the Oilers had not imposed an internal deadline for a firm resolution of this ridiculously untenable situation. Nor had they communicated such an ultimatum to the Senators or Heatley. That rumour had been floated last week by a TV analyst and at least one Internet site. "Could be a week, could be a month," said the source.

That was three days ago.

So, when two anonymous league sources are reported as saying two conflicting things, which is to be believed? It’s up to everyone individually of course, but given that it’s an Edmonton rumour I think it would be foolish not to trust the Edmonton-based (and Edmonton-connected) reporter on this one. It’s possible that the situation has drastically shifted over those three days, but Barnes’ source seems to rule out a sudden shift like that – certainly not one that would see the Oilers abandon the pursuit a few days later (“possibly as early as today”, according to Stevenson).

Stevenson also includes this factoid:

Rumours are there are at least two other teams which have recently held discussions with Senators GM Bryan Murray but have only offered bloated contracts and underachieving players in return.

Dan Barnes also mentioned two teams, so we can view this information as probably true. Barnes said they hadn’t finalized an offer, while Stevenson says that they aren’t offering much of value – which sounds to me like two different ways of saying the same thing.

The last part of Stevenson’s piece that I’d like to look at is not to criticize him, but just to highlight the difficulty of sorting through rumours in general. Here’s the quote:

Speculation is the Minnesota Wild remains a team looking for an offensive addition and the Columbus Blue Jackets have been named in connection with the unhappy winger.

Stevenson is careful to couch all of his paragraphs so that it’s clear he’s passing along speculation, and in this case we can be fairly certain that the speculation is inaccurate, because of what Columbus GM Scott Howson said to Dan Tencer a few days ago:

"We're not involved in that scene. It's an unfortunate situation for everybody involved."

In other words, for better and worse, I continue to believe that the Oilers are ardent in their pursuit of Heatley, despite today’s conflicting report from Stevenson.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Hemmertime
July 14 2009, 10:07PM
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If the deal does fall through having 10,000+ fan chanting "Andrew", "Penner" and/or "La-di" at game 1 of preseason/season would be cool

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#102 DannyHateley
July 14 2009, 10:15PM
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Hi Danny? Yes Steve Tamballini here, great news you have been traded to Edmonton> Danny WTF!!! Edmonton I told the Senators that if it came down to playing in Siberia or Edmonton I would choose Edmonton,Steve are you telling me that out of all the teams in the NHL Edmonton was the only team that wanted me? yes Danny sorry Steve im going back to Ottawa.

That was not hard was it?

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#103 Elaine
July 14 2009, 10:30PM
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If its not Heatley, the Oilers must do something to upgrade their offence. So far, the only change is in goal and Roloson did ok there. Same forwards. Nothing of impact in the Minors ready to play for the big team. It looks like were in for a bad year again.

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#104 rindog
July 14 2009, 11:17PM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:

First of all, I am not trying to be a smart@ss - but I really want to know why you think this is such a blackeye for the organization?

The season doesn't start for months - there obviously weren't any elite UFAs that want to come here- so Tambellini is doing what is best for our club.

What is so wrong with saying that he is still interested in acquiring Heatley? I can assure you that Tambellini has not told all 29 other teams that he has NO interest in talking any deals because he is holding his breath for Dany.

I am also sure that Tambellini has been going about his business just as he would if the Heatley deal was totally dead. If and when there comes a time when Tambellini can make a different deal(for a different first line player) he will probably make one last call to the Heatley camp to see if he has made a decision. If Heatley is still undecided then Tambellini will do the other deal and be done with Heatley. If Heatley in fact decides he would like to come here - Tambellini will have to then make a decision on what is BEST for the club.

I do not see anything wrong with sitting back and being patient?

As a matter of fact - we don't even have a clue at what stage things are even at? Maybe, Heatley has made up his mind but the Sens have upped the ante?

My point is - it makes no sense to speculate and demand something be done right now. I would think Tambellini is prepared to start the season with what he has (maybe a few tiny roster tweaks) and will continue to see if he can improve the club any way he can??

Which is fine by me...

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#105 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
July 14 2009, 11:41PM
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rindog wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: First of all, I am not trying to be a smart@ss - but I really want to know why you think this is such a blackeye for the organization? Ah maybe because if Heatley wanted to play in Edmonton he would of been here by now,Flying down to Kelowna with Lowe and asking Heatley to change his mind just goes to show you how desperate this organization is becoming,as a season ticket holder I would be more than happy starting the season without Heatley than with. I just dont understand why we always go after the big name stars who do not want to play here, then letting the players who want to play here go and sign elsewhere maybe thats why we never get anyone to play here, where is the loyalty?
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#106 Hemmertime
July 15 2009, 02:18AM
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@ rindog: Very well put, if Heatley can keep his options open why cant we

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#107 rindog
July 15 2009, 08:34AM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Hemmertime wrote:

I just dont understand why we always go after the big name stars who do not want to play here

Have you checked the last time we had a "big name" player?

Have you also checked the last time we made the playoffs?

Adding a guy like Heatley (attitude or not....do any of us really know?) makes our team an instant contender for the playoffs. Playofs equal $1 million profit per game. It is not only a good hockey decision, but a very good business decision as well (especially considering what we would be getting rid of to attain him).

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#108 rindog
July 15 2009, 08:36AM
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@ rindog: I'm not sure how Hemmertime got quoted in mylast reply?

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#109 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 08:42AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

rindog wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: First of all, I am not trying to be a smart@ss - but I really want to know why you think this is such a blackeye for the organization? Ah maybe because if Heatley wanted to play in Edmonton he would of been here by now,Flying down to Kelowna with Lowe and asking Heatley to change his mind just goes to show you how desperate this organization is becoming,as a season ticket holder I would be more than happy starting the season without Heatley than with. I just dont understand why we always go after the big name stars who do not want to play here, then letting the players who want to play here go and sign elsewhere maybe thats why we never get anyone to play here, where is the loyalty?

Weren't you one of the guys whining about "to much loyalty" when it came to rich contracts handed out?

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#110 The Menace
July 15 2009, 09:24AM
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@ rindog: well said - I couldn't agree more.

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#111 The Menace
July 15 2009, 09:43AM
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myteammytown wrote:

you are a pro athlete who is UFA and have your pick of almost any city in the NHL. -you can make your money in columbus and not get boo’d when you try and eat at a dining establishment - you can make your money in columbus and not have every tom dick and harry pumping gas for a living telling you they know how to fix the oilers power play etc etc etc etc etc etc Yes, i agree 110% MOST oiler fans (and canadian hockey fans for that matter) are knowledgable and passionate. Problem is, a very, very small group can turn players views on a city and its fans in a negative light. Katz and his group are trying to change the way the oilers are viewed. it is going to take time. but, as of right now, it really shouldnt be that hard to see why a player would pick almost anywhere rather than here, unless they are drastically over paid…..

That's true when things are bad, but the flip side of that is you never pay for drinks/meals whereever you go; special treatment when you're out anywhere; recognition for achievements. Any management course will tell you that the #1 thing employees look for is recognition for the job they do; more than compensation, more than anything else. Sure you can work somewhere where no one critisizes you when things go bad, but you also give up all the positive feedback too.

Anyways, the point I was trying to make is that this idea of working in anonymity seems like it's confined to NHL players - you don't hear about this in other sports. Other sports' players thrive on playing in the spotlight, instead of shying away from it. I just think that's very strange.

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#112 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
July 15 2009, 09:47AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Weren’t you one of the guys whining about “to much loyalty” when it came to rich contracts handed out?

There is a difference between loyalty and stupidity what the organization did with Horcoff is stupid,There was no reason to redo his contract with one year to go,if you want loayalty look at what Detroit has done with there star players,my question was it seems that the Oilers will let players that want to play here sign elsewhere without even offering contracts,why is it they continually do this?

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#113 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 09:53AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Weren’t you one of the guys whining about “to much loyalty” when it came to rich contracts handed out? There is a difference between loyalty and stupidity what the organization did with Horcoff is stupid,There was no reason to redo his contract with one year to go,if you want loayalty look at what Detroit has done with there star players,my question was it seems that the Oilers will let players that want to play here sign elsewhere without even offering contracts,why is it they continually do this?

Sure, their were great reasons to extend him a year early, with the #'s he was putting up at the time and in a rising (at the time) cap world, he would have pulled down 7+ had he hit UFA status... remember, that was the same complaint everyone had with the Smyth situation???

Who are all the players that wanted to stay but weren't offerd contracts? All I can think of is GlenX

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#114 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 09:54AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Weren’t you one of the guys whining about “to much loyalty” when it came to rich contracts handed out? There is a difference between loyalty and stupidity what the organization did with Horcoff is stupid,There was no reason to redo his contract with one year to go,if you want loayalty look at what Detroit has done with there star players,my question was it seems that the Oilers will let players that want to play here sign elsewhere without even offering contracts,why is it they continually do this?

Oh, and what has Det done with their star players? Give them extension well beyond their useful years in order to skirt the cap? What loyalty.

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#115 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
July 15 2009, 09:57AM
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rindog wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Hemmertime wrote: I just dont understand why we always go after the big name stars who do not want to play here Have you checked the last time we had a “big name” player? Have you also checked the last time we made the playoffs? The last big star was the human rake,and it was also the last time we made the playoffs, Having a general manager pissing both agents and other managers off does not help. Having a coach like Mac t who constanly suffled his lines did not help either and the blasting of players in the media that was real good to. The point you are missing is this organization should build from with in,if they want a star it will have to come from drafting,and instead of trading guys after one year of playing here give them a couple of years, I am a big believer that Penner will have a break out year this season without having to skate with Mac t on his back you just watch.My question to you is why are we still trying to get Heatley when it is apparent to everyone that he does not want to come here if he did he would have been here allready.
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#116 myteammytown
July 15 2009, 10:01AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

GlenX was offered a contract by the oilers

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#117 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
July 15 2009, 10:02AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Who are all the players that wanted to stay but weren’t offerd contracts? All I can think of is GlenX

we traded Symth for a difference of $200 000.00 we had Sykora who wanted to play here and was nver offered a contract,and most recentley Kotalik.

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#118 LOIL
July 15 2009, 10:05AM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Write your comment AFTER the thing that says . Its really simple.

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#119 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
July 15 2009, 10:05AM
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@ Ogden Brother: How much do you think Horcoff would get on the market after you watched him play last year and for what other players are signing for know?

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#120 myteammytown
July 15 2009, 10:08AM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:

horcoff probably would have got in the 5mil range on the open market.

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#121 scorecoff hemmercules
July 15 2009, 10:09AM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:

You can't keep eveyone, every year. Those three guys you mentioned all wanted way too much money, in a cap world you can't throw out money like that to everybody whos asking for it. IMO without Horc on this team we have a couple big holes to fill, and thats not easy to do.

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#122 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 10:12AM
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myteammytown wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: GlenX was offered a contract by the oilers

Their you go, so far the list is at 0 then.

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#123 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 10:14AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Who are all the players that wanted to stay but weren’t offerd contracts? All I can think of is GlenX we traded Symth for a difference of $200 000.00 we had Sykora who wanted to play here and was nver offered a contract,and most recentley Kotalik.

So 2 guys. 1 was lost because the team thought they had Nylander, the other got 3 million bucks.

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#124 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 10:17AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: How much do you think Horcoff would get on the market after you watched him play last year and for what other players are signing for know?

4.25 - 4.75 if he went for top dollar would be my guess.

But this is a far different market, and his numbers where far different then last year.

Had he put up 75 points with a cap going to 61 million he'd be looking at 7+

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#125 kingsblade
July 15 2009, 10:32AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Who are all the players that wanted to stay but weren’t offerd contracts? All I can think of is GlenX we traded Symth for a difference of $200 000.00 we had Sykora who wanted to play here and was nver offered a contract,and most recentley Kotalik. So 2 guys. 1 was lost because the team thought they had Nylander, the other got 3 million bucks.

Doesn't Glencross + Sykora + Kotalik = 3?

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#126 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 10:36AM
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kingsblade wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Who are all the players that wanted to stay but weren’t offerd contracts? All I can think of is GlenX we traded Symth for a difference of $200 000.00 we had Sykora who wanted to play here and was nver offered a contract,and most recentley Kotalik. So 2 guys. 1 was lost because the team thought they had Nylander, the other got 3 million bucks. Doesn’t Glencross + Sykora + Kotalik = 3?

He said players that weren't offerd a contract by the team. GlenX was offerd a contract (as per MTMT). Also, we don't know 100% if Kotalik/Sykora were offerd or not

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#127 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 10:38AM
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Interesting point since people are still complaining about Smyth leaving ... and Horc being extended.

In the two years he's been gone:

Smyth: Games: 132 Goals: 40 Points: 96

Horc: Gamers: 133 Goals: 38 Points: 103

Yet people still think Lowe was stupid to trade Smyth AND stupid to give Horc the same $$ he was offering Smyth?

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#128 Hemmertime
July 15 2009, 10:46AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

My question to you is why are we still trying to get Heatley when it is apparent to everyone that he does not want to come here if he did he would have been here allready.

We truly do not know this, maybe the original No was to screw Melnyk out of 4 mil. Maybe has other reasons. Until he comes out and says no I dont mind being "plan B". For all we know the Sharks GM has been in his ear since June telling him to hold off and he will land him. We dont have all the facts

@ Ogden Brother: We offered Kotalik a deal. Both sides stated that.

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#129 MattL
July 15 2009, 10:51AM
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@ rindog:

I totally agree with rindog for once.

I just picture the idea of Tambo waiting by the phone with a Jonas Brothers poster in the background, waiting for Heater to call. Psshaw! The guy knows how to do his job better than anyone on a damn message board.

AS FOR UFA's,

Glen-x was asking a lot, but the Oil were also waiting for Hossa, I'd say that's a wash. Not to mention, he signed in Calgary for what the Oilers were offering him. If he and his agent hadn't been too full of themselves at the beginning, they could have signed here much earlier.

Sykora's game has been on rapid decline since he had a good first half of a season here. Still, we probably could have used him. Minus one for the Oil.

Kotalik would have been nice, but not at 3mil, and not in front of one of our young guys. In case you hadn't noticed, Oilers fans want to see some young prospects (Cogs, Row-Bear, Sully, Eberle, Schremp, Penner, MPS) get a chance to play the wing on the top two lines. Math doesn't add up for Kotalik to fit in there, especially at 3 times the rookie salary rate.

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#130 MattL
July 15 2009, 10:54AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Smyth: Games: 132 Goals: 40 Points: 96 Horc: Gamers: 133 Goals: 38 Points: 103

Booya, Ogden Brother. Booya. Nice work.

I'll even add to that:

-Horc brings at least the same work-ethic night after night -Horc is a top face-off guy

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#131 jeff
July 15 2009, 10:58AM
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MattL wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Smyth: Games: 132 Goals: 40 Points: 96 Horc: Gamers: 133 Goals: 38 Points: 103 Booya, Ogden Brother. Booya. Nice work. I’ll even add to that: -Horc brings at least the same work-ethic night after night -Horc is a top face-off guy

Smyth didn't bring work ethic?

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#132 scorecoff hemmercules
July 15 2009, 10:59AM
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MattL wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Smyth: Games: 132 Goals: 40 Points: 96 Horc: Gamers: 133 Goals: 38 Points: 103 Booya, Ogden Brother. Booya. Nice work. I’ll even add to that: -Horc brings at least the same work-ethic night after night -Horc is a top face-off guy

Nicely done. I'm a big Horc fan, his contract is an overpay but theres nothing we can do about that.

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#133 scorecoff hemmercules
July 15 2009, 11:00AM
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@ jeff:

Can't you read???

"Horc brings at least the same work-ethic night after night"

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#134 scorecoff hemmercules
July 15 2009, 11:03AM
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@ jeff:

Meaning he brings the same work ethic a Smyth does. I kinda sounded rude there in that last post, not intended.

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#135 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 11:05AM
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MattL wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Smyth: Games: 132 Goals: 40 Points: 96 Horc: Gamers: 133 Goals: 38 Points: 103 Booya, Ogden Brother. Booya. Nice work. I’ll even add to that: -Horc brings at least the same work-ethic night after night -Horc is a top face-off guy

Ya I agree, if you wanted to go beyond #'s, I'd give them at very least an equialant on "intangibles" and probably even a slight advantage to Horc.

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#136 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 11:06AM
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scorecoff hemmercules wrote:

MattL wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: Smyth: Games: 132 Goals: 40 Points: 96 Horc: Gamers: 133 Goals: 38 Points: 103 Booya, Ogden Brother. Booya. Nice work. I’ll even add to that: -Horc brings at least the same work-ethic night after night -Horc is a top face-off guy Nicely done. I’m a big Horc fan, his contract is an overpay but theres nothing we can do about that.

Side note: Penner's numbers also aren't that far off Smyth's. In fact they both scored 40 goals over the last 2 years.

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#137 MattL
July 15 2009, 11:07AM
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@ jeff:

Yeah, that's what I meant. Smytty was definitely a lead-by-example player. You almost never saw him coasting, or taking a night off. I'm just saying, Horcoff brings it too, even if it's not always pretty.

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#138 scorecoff hemmercules
July 15 2009, 11:09AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

I hope Penner will suprise us all this year (as long as he's an Oiler that is!). I was a big Smyth fan as well but for that money and his injury history I was glad we didn't pay him at the time.

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#139 smiliegirl15
July 15 2009, 11:14AM
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I would rather invest in Horcoff than Smyth. I am hoping Horc finds his game again this season. Last season was an off year for the Oilers all around. Smyth hasn't justified his big raise since he's left the Oilers either. He was a great player for our organization but we cannot live in the past. He's gone and moved on and the Oilers need to look forward, not back. It's my understanding Glencross signed for less in Calgary than he was asking for in Edmonton. I honestly wish he was still with the team but we also have more than enough third and fourth line guys on this team so going with our youth is a good decision. I sincerely hope Liam Reddox stays on the farm team where he belongs! There is no shame in holding on the Heatley position. There really isn't anyone else out there who's looking for a trade who can put up the kind of numbers Heatley is capable of (that we know of). I don't blame Heatley for waiting to see if there is a better place to go than Edmonton either. I do think his opinion of himself is overinflated but that really doesn't make him any different than most of the players out there. Waiting him out may be the best choice here. Then again, maybe Brian Murray is the real villian here?

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#140 scorecoff hemmercules
July 15 2009, 11:16AM
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smiliegirl15 wrote:

It’s my understanding Glencross signed for less in Calgary than he was asking for in Edmonton.

Im pretty sure he got a couple hundred thousand more to play in Calgary, why would a player like him take less money to play anywhere???

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#141 The Menace
July 15 2009, 11:20AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Side note: Penner’s numbers also aren’t that far off Smyth’s. In fact they both scored 40 goals over the last 2 years.

Since the Smyth/Penner transactions have gone down, I've been comparing them too, because we sort of got Penner to replace Smytty. His point totals (Penner 84 points, Symth 96 points) are very similar to Smyth, at 2/3 the price. I know that Smyth does it in less games (132 games over last two years, compared with Penner's 159), but that's what you get with Smyth at his age, with the style he plays.

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#142 Hemmertime
July 15 2009, 11:22AM
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@ scorecoff hemmercules: Hes from Calgary... I believe

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#143 The Menace
July 15 2009, 11:22AM
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scorecoff hemmercules wrote:

Im pretty sure he got a couple hundred thousand more to play in Calgary, why would a player like him take less money to play anywhere???

I don't know. Ask Hossa why he took less money (than Edmonton was offering) to play in Detroit last year.

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#144 DanMan
July 15 2009, 11:23AM
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I'm pretty sure Smyth would have done quite a bit better than 40 goals in 132 games if he stayed here.

He would surely bury more of Hemmer's feeds than Hork

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#145 Soup
July 15 2009, 11:25AM
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MattL wrote:

Horcoff brings it too, even if it’s not always pretty.

Something about Ryan Smyth was pretty? Dude!

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#146 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 11:26AM
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The Menace wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Side note: Penner’s numbers also aren’t that far off Smyth’s. In fact they both scored 40 goals over the last 2 years. Since the Smyth/Penner transactions have gone down, I’ve been comparing them too, because we sort of got Penner to replace Smytty. His point totals (Penner 84 points, Symth 96 points) are very similar to Smyth, at 2/3 the price. I know that Smyth does it in less games (132 games over last two years, compared with Penner’s 159), but that’s what you get with Smyth at his age, with the style he plays.

Yup, injury history had alot to do with it. Also, even though Penner was brought in to replace Smyth, the contract offerd to Smyth was given to Souray. I'd say Smyth/Souray have been a wash in almost every catagory.

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#147 Curious
July 15 2009, 11:26AM
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There might be a little more to the strategy of waiting... there are a few teams up against the cap. Top of the list is Philly. The longer you wait, the more desperate they become to shed salary and perhaps you get the player you are waiting for at a cheaper price.

As long as you express interest (which I am sure Tambo is doing) the GM of the other team will always come back to you if he is getting close with another team.

We all need to relax and be patient

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#148 Ogden Brother
July 15 2009, 11:27AM
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DanMan wrote:

I’m pretty sure Smyth would have done quite a bit better than 40 goals in 132 games if he stayed here. He would surely bury more of Hemmer’s feeds than Hork

Why on earth would you think that? Is Hemmer really better then Stastny/Sakic?

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#149 scorecoff hemmercules
July 15 2009, 11:27AM
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@ The Menace:

What I mean is that Glenx isn't the calibre of player to be choosy. Players like him go to the team that offers them most money. I'm pretty sure he wanted to remain in Edmonton but we were waiting on bigger names and Calgary offered him a bit more.

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#150 The Menace
July 15 2009, 11:28AM
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The Menace wrote:

scorecoff hemmercules wrote: Im pretty sure he got a couple hundred thousand more to play in Calgary, why would a player like him take less money to play anywhere??? I don’t know. Ask Hossa why he took less money (than Edmonton was offering) to play in Detroit last year.

I should have read your comment more carefully. Hossa is not a "player like" Glenncross. my bad.

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