Dany Heatley: next steps and options

Jason Gregor
July 02 2009 12:37PM

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The Oilers haven’t backed off from acquiring Dany Heatley, but it sounds like they will have to sweeten the pot if they are going to get him out of Ottawa. The price has just went up according to Sens GM Bryan Murray.

Whether that means the Oilers have to add in some prospects, or take another salary off the books of the Senators is unclear. The unique thing about this deal is that even though the Sens have paid Heatley $4 million, if they trade him before the season starts that money won’t count against their cap.

The team that gets Heatley will only have to pay him $4 million in salary this year, but he is a $7.5 million cap hit on their books.

"Edmonton is the only option that has been presented to us, and you can't tell that there aren't more," J.P. Barry told Sportsnet.ca.

Well I’m not sure how many other options they truly have. The Rangers aren’t interested now that they have Gaborik, and supposedly Glen Sather had targeted Gaborik over Heatley anyways.

The Canucks can’t take him now that the Sedins’ have re-signed for a combined cap hit of $12.2 million per year, and the Wild landed Havlat.

So who are the other options?

I’m betting you think it’s the Kings. They have lots of cap space, are stacked with young players Ottawa would like and are a sexy location for Heatley.

But watch this.

Does that sound like the Kings are interested?

I don’t think so. Sorry Dany you won’t be living the life in LA.

I’ve been told that Heatley has seen this, and it is clear that the Kings are an unlikely destination.

So who else is there?

The San Jose Sharks possibly. But they have 15 players signed for $51 million already. Patrick Marleau has one year left on his deal, the Sens aren’t in love with Cheechoo, and so will the Sharks give up Clowe, Setoguchi and a D-man for Heatley? That would be pretty steep.

The Coyotes and Predators won’t be in the mix, so that doesn’t leave him many options.

Heatley needs to decide today, and so do the Oilers. I think it is time the Oilers ask for a decision from his camp. Is he in, or out?

And then the Oilers need to live with the decision, move on and look at other options to try and improve their team.

They offered a great deal to Ottawa, and the Sens wanted it — for a moment even Heatley seemed like he was willing to come, but he got cold feet and now he is dragging them on the beach in Kelowna.

Enough is enough. Make a decision a move on.

The decision needs to come today, and I think the Oilers need to make it, because it is evident that Heatley can’t make it himself.

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#101 risto
July 02 2009, 03:33PM
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@ Hemmertime:

thanks........it was Canada Day yeterday (c'mon, brain you can do it)

Philly'll never give him up, he's worth more than 5.25

RFA - Restricted from Alberta

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#102 Jason Gregor
July 02 2009, 03:33PM
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Dino wrote:

Gregor, sounds like he’s getting some bad advice from J.P. Barry, judging by his quote regarding options. J.P.’s been around a long time, he must know the current landscape with respect to which teams would be looking for a 50 goal scorer. Does J.P. expect OTT to take less in return just to send Dany to a destination that he wants? Which current Oilers are represented by J.P.? I wonder if when they signed their contracts with the Oilers if Edmonton is/was a good enough option.

Heatley has two agents, and I wouldn't say it was JP that was giving him the bad advice.

And Brule is under the CAA group which is headed up by J.P Barry and Pat Brisson.

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#103 Oilers icon
July 02 2009, 03:37PM
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@ risto: risto wrote:

What’s involved in getting Simon Gagne here? He’s RFA, i’d assume. Penner, MacIntyre, Gilbert - Let’s go Tambo!

Philly needs to shed salary big time I'm thinking they'd take cogs and prospect and picks

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#104 White Ninja
July 02 2009, 03:37PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

BUCK75 wrote: If we can’t get established players to play in Edmonton, I guess we have to DRAFT THEM!!! How do we draft them? We were unable to move up in the draft. Explain exactly how you want to draft superstars. Its not like we are going “Oh this guy rocks, lets leave him for the next team”…

How about not winning a meaningless game against Calgary at the end of the season allowing Chicago to finish 5th and the Oilers 6th. Chicago ends up with the number one pick. I really like Gagner but I like Kane better.

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#105 White Ninja
July 02 2009, 03:40PM
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Sorry about the double post. Sticky fingers...

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#106 Shutout
July 02 2009, 03:43PM
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@ White Ninja: White Ninja wrote:

Sorry about the double post. Sticky fingers…

Whoa Dude, TMI TMI

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#107 Cack
July 02 2009, 03:49PM
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@ Oilers icon: I have heard on no uncertain terms that Simon Gagne would play in everyone NHL city before he played in edmonton, so the chances of him being here more then this year would be very small

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#108 BUCK75
July 02 2009, 03:49PM
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@ Hemmertime:

During this season & the past couple the arguement has been made to tank - instead of trying to slide into 8th & catch the perverbial 'lightning in a bottle of 06'. We make moves that always seem to improve us just enough to lose draft position. When we drafted Gagner it was a late season run that bumped us up to #6.

Deadline days we are never sellers, we always want to be buyers. I am aware we couldn't move up this year, but if we weren't trying so hard to get into the play-offs maybe we could have picked 4th.

Just my take on it.

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#109 Hemmertime
July 02 2009, 03:54PM
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White Ninja wrote:

How about not winning a meaningless game against Calgary at the end of the season allowing Chicago to finish 5th and the Oilers 6th. Chicago ends up with the number one pick. I really like Gagner but I like Kane better.

Walk into the room, say "I dont want you guys to win this game" to your players. Good luck with that.

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#110 Dave
July 02 2009, 03:56PM
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I would love to see #12 from Philly in Oilers silks.

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#111 Hemmertime
July 02 2009, 03:57PM
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@ BUCK75: How do you tank?!? You dont seem to get it, saying "we want a top pick" doesn't translate to your players allowing goals in the net, stopping scoring, and playing worse thus lowering THEIR contracts. You cannot put yourself at the bottom willingly. You can only increase your odds. You want to see us tank and up with 6th not even a chance at first? Well you got it, we got Gagner when we tanked.

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#112 Hemmertime
July 02 2009, 03:58PM
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@ BUCK75: When I said I wanted explanation on how you want to draft. Saying "I want a top 3 pick" is not an explanation. How do you plan on getting that? Trade 1/2 our team and play Springfield?

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#113 Curious
July 02 2009, 04:03PM
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@ Hemmertime: It also doesnt take into consideration that there is a lottery, so finishing dead last gives you a better chance but does not guarantee you get the #1 pick.

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#114 HOFFA
July 02 2009, 04:05PM
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Why haven't the Oilers issued some kind of statement? If Heatley was truly dissin' Edmonton repeatedly, you would think Tambi and the boys would be justifying thier position. I have a headache. Just sign Lecavlier and lets move on. :)

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#115 Curious
July 02 2009, 04:06PM
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Lecavalier is signed.....by Tampa....for a long time

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#116 Smokin' Ray
July 02 2009, 04:07PM
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White Ninja wrote:

Hemmertime wrote: BUCK75 wrote: If we can’t get established players to play in Edmonton, I guess we have to DRAFT THEM!!! How do we draft them? We were unable to move up in the draft. Explain exactly how you want to draft superstars. Its not like we are going “Oh this guy rocks, lets leave him for the next team”… How about not winning a meaningless game against Calgary at the end of the season allowing Chicago to finish 5th and the Oilers 6th. Chicago ends up with the number one pick. I really like Gagner but I like Kane better.

1) Let's be real here. Chicago was LUCKY to get the #1 pick. How often has that happened where the #5 team actualy gets the #1 pick? Not very.

2) I had a coach that asked us to "tank" a game once. You know what happened? He's not my coach anymore.

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#117 Librarian Mike
July 02 2009, 04:07PM
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I can't imagine any self-respecting player being told by their coach/GM/owner to tank, and actually doing it. You think players don't want to come here now? Wait until word got around through the players grapevine about that.

I'd love to get a #1 pick as well, but we have to suck honestly.

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#118 Cam
July 02 2009, 04:09PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

@ Hemmertime: During this season & the past couple the arguement has been made to tank - instead of trying to slide into 8th & catch the perverbial ‘lightning in a bottle of 06′. We make moves that always seem to improve us just enough to lose draft position. When we drafted Gagner it was a late season run that bumped us up to #6. Deadline days we are never sellers, we always want to be buyers. I am aware we couldn’t move up this year, but if we weren’t trying so hard to get into the play-offs maybe we could have picked 4th. Just my take on it.

Management thought they had a team that could contest for the division last year. They weren't aiming for eighth.

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#119 ronaldo
July 02 2009, 04:13PM
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Since we apparently can't get any players via free agency or trade, and seemingly do not draft well, here is my proposal. We go down to the team Canada camp in Calgary with a van (windowless of course), some rope, duct tape, and a bag of roofies. All that's left is stitching on the new names. Problem solved. This GM job is not that hard after all.

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#120 Dave
July 02 2009, 04:14PM
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I dont think luck had much to do with Chicago getting the first overall, or the Pens getting first overall, or Burke getting the second overall.

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#121 jeanshorts
July 02 2009, 04:16PM
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@ ronaldo:

Thankfully though it looks like our drafting skills have made a 180 and we're finally starting to get some correct. The only problem now is the Oilers have to figure out how to probably develop young talent I.E not having your supposed goalie of the future bounce around to 403948503 different farm teams in 3 years.

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#122 Smokin' Ray
July 02 2009, 04:18PM
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Dave wrote:

I dont think luck had much to do with Chicago getting the first overall, or the Pens getting first overall, or Burke getting the second overall.

Ok. It was a little lottery ball that popped out of a machine. Don't call that luck then.

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#123 jeanshorts
July 02 2009, 04:24PM
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@ Hemmertime:

OR, and I know this sounds a bit crazy, how about management doesn't trade away picks, prospects, young players, etc. for the Erik Cole's of the league. Every single year this team is always buyers at the deadline. Everyone always gets so distracted by this shiny little light that is an 8th place playoff spot.

You know who wasn't trading away their future for band-aid/rental players when things were getting a little rough? Pittsburgh, Chicago, L.A, etc.

You know which teams are/will soon be forces to be reckoned with because they are filled to the brim with the top young players in the league?

At some point we are going to have to bite the bullet and realize that not all this teams problems are going to be fixed by picking up one or two players at the deadline.

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#124 Doug
July 02 2009, 04:25PM
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Ultimately this is what competing for eigth every year does for you.

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#125 Librarian Mike
July 02 2009, 04:29PM
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@ jeanshorts:

What I'm hoping to see from the Oilers and, by extension, the farm is for a sense of identity to surface. I think this team needs to find out who it is, instead of the 'hybrid' plan that existed under the previous administration. Hopefully that will make things clearer down on the farm, so players there know what they need to do to get to the next level.

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#126 White Ninja
July 02 2009, 04:37PM
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@ Hemmertime: I don't believe it is that simple. Of course Mac T was not going to say "Lose this game". The club could have started their backup goalie, called up a bunch of kids from the farm, etc. There are a number of ways the Oilers could have influenced that one game. However, the Oilers didn't know they were giving away the first pick overall, and hindsight is 20/20. It just bothered me. I could just be overly critical. How unlike an Oiler fan that is. I interpret what Buck75 is saying as: Lets go into a true rebuild and not take half measures designed to sneak us into the playoffs. Lets start from the ground up. I honestly don't think a team could tank a whole season on purpose.

@ Cam

I know the Oilers management thought we would contend for the division title but I like to put the blinders on about that because it concerns me that Oilers managements judgement was that far off.

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#127 Hemmertime
July 02 2009, 04:44PM
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@ jeanshorts: Each deadline we are close to playoff spot so I understand the temptation. That is fine to keep our players, I encourage that. But dont expect a top 3 or top 5 pick. This "Rebuild and we are WSH or PIT" crap is garbage. O'sullivan was a great pickup this year, and in general deals were better. I am in favor of keeping young players with potential. Pre-Katz era we sellers and not buyers, too much, because we couldnt afford to keep anything of value. We have been "buyers" in a couple years only. In one of those years when we bought we came within 1 win of a Stanley Cup - logical time to buy? Results speak for themselves. Last year you cannot call us buyers - unless you're talking about the 2nd rd pick for Kotalik. But Cole for Sully and Kotalik... well ya we werent really "selling" Cole because not a large asset to us . Sully >> in terms of Value - I cant believe we got that deal. So last year not buying.

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#128 Helmerfied
July 02 2009, 04:46PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

@ Hemmertime: OR, and I know this sounds a bit crazy, how about management doesn’t trade away picks, prospects, young players, etc. for the Erik Cole’s of the league. Every single year this team is always buyers at the deadline. Everyone always gets so distracted by this shiny little light that is an 8th place playoff spot. You know who wasn’t trading away their future for band-aid/rental players when things were getting a little rough? Pittsburgh, Chicago, L.A, etc. You know which teams are/will soon be forces to be reckoned with because they are filled to the brim with the top young players in the league? At some point we are going to have to bite the bullet and realize that not all this teams problems are going to be fixed by picking up one or two players at the deadline.

I understand your theory but, from what I recall, Pittsburgh, Chicago and L.A. all were a ways away from a playoff spot in the years they didn't make the playoffs come trade deadline time in which there's no point to make a hail mary deal in search of 8th spot. As for Edmonton, they've been either in the playoffs or fairly close come trade deadline and a decision has to be made whether or not they want to make it that year. It's easy to say right now that, no, you shouldn't trade assets to help make the playoffs that current season but when the boys are in a real battle for a playoffs spot, I don't usually hear too many people say "No moves, we shouldn't be trying to improve and, if we make the playoffs with what we have, great but we shouldn't give anything to help for this year." If they DON'T do anything to improve when every team they're fighting with does, I'd think I'd hear a lot more of "they're tanking the season, they don't care about this year, they didn't even try to improve!"

In particular, in Oilerland, any decision mgmt makes is gonna be wrong in plenty of people's eyes. They can't do too much right. Everyone's all over K-Lowe for the Penner deal but you don't hear too much about Hemsky's stellar contract which is maybe one of the biggest bargains in the league. As for the Penner deal, he'd scored 29 goals the year before. What are 30-goal scorers going for now? $5M plus? Not saying Penner's a bargain right now but if you factor in the need to put a higher-than-average offer in to avoid Burkie matching, given he's a big body with hands, worth the risk in my opinion at the time. No one could've guessed he'd regress as much as he has. Kevin needs to wear that mistake, yes, but I get frustrated at all the armchair GM's in Edmonton that clearly know all the right moves "After The Fact." Just sayin.

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#129 BUCK75
July 02 2009, 04:49PM
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@ Hemmertime:

This is the article that Willis wrote February 24th. I think this is how you would tank honestly. By deciding to unload contracts @ the trade deadline when 6 other teams are fighting for 2 play-off spots.

If I were sitting behind Steve Tambellini’s desk, the Oilers strategy at the trade deadline would revolve around the principle of sacrifice. As I write this, the Oilers are tied with the Anaheim Ducks for 9th place in the Western Conference. They’re five points out of 5th and six points out of 15th in the West, so they’re just one of eleven teams hoping to snag the bottom four playoff spots. There really isn’t that much differentiating them from any of the other teams in that block; just for example, let’s compare the Oilers’ goals for and against the two worst Western teams (St. Louis and Colorado): Read more: http://www.oilersnation.com/2009/02/the-gambit/#ixzz0K8xdjBak&C

Hey man - I have been saying this for like 7 months.

101 BUCK75 January 12 2009, 4:58 pm. Jonathan Willis wrote: @ Chris: Because of the difference in their contracts. Aside from the first Chris Pronger trade, Hemsky’s contract is the best thing Lowe has done as a GM. I totally agree with this comment - that being said I would love Tambo to totally gut the team, rebuild after Hemsky & Souray while we have them locked up. No couple of pieces here & there. Just like last year run with the kids & build a team. Read more: http://www.oilersnation.com/2009/01/deep-thoughts-v/#ixzz0K90iEB3w&C
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#130 BUCK75
July 02 2009, 04:50PM
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@ jeanshorts:

Good take - I should have said that earlier...

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#131 Hemmertime
July 02 2009, 04:53PM
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@ BUCK75: What draft pick are you aiming for?

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#132 Duke
July 02 2009, 04:56PM
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HOFFA wrote:

Why haven’t the Oilers issued some kind of statement?

It would be nice to hear something. They really haven't even had someone pop their head out the office door and welcome the new goalie.

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#133 RossCreek
July 02 2009, 04:56PM
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dantencer Blair Betts is still on the free agent market. I'm told that the Oilers do not have interest in this player. about 1 hour ago from web

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#134 RossCreek
July 02 2009, 04:57PM
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~Eklund Ok now I am getting somewhere. Just heard from source on interesting leafs deal. Need to see if players know 31 minutes ago from TweetDeck ~

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#135 Librarian Mike
July 02 2009, 04:57PM
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Duke wrote:

HOFFA wrote: Why haven’t the Oilers issued some kind of statement? It would be nice to hear something. They really haven’t even had someone pop their head out the office door and welcome the new goalie.

I wonder if Khabibulin is still at the airport waiting for a pickup. haha

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#136 RossCreek
July 02 2009, 05:00PM
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"Howson started at little after 6 p.m. eastern standard time with the announced signing of Samuel Pahlsson. This officially put an end to the Manny Malhotra's time with the Blue Jackets. Pahlsson will take over the 3rd line duties that Malhotra would have manned. Pahlsson signed a 3 year contract worth $2.65 million per year." FROM the guy at HockeyBuzz (not EK) Does this mean we should expect Malhotra to sign in Columbus now?

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#137 BUCK75
July 02 2009, 05:06PM
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@ Hemmertime:

What the hell difference does it make what draft pick? If you are in the bottom 5 in the league you are in the lottery for the first pick. Chicago got the first over all pick with only like an 8% change of getting their ping pong ball pulled. So if you want an impact player you have to finish in bottom 5 in the league.

Under the weighted lottery system, the club with the fewest regular-season points had the greatest chance (25%) of winning the Draft Drawing and could pick no lower than second. The winner of the drawing would move up a maximum of four places, with all other clubs' draft order being adjusted accordingly (no team moving down more than one spot).

The point from the start of your rant was the last win of the season tied us with Chicago, we lost out on some sort of math formula on Patrick Kane.

You get a guy like that (maybe we do in Gagner...time will tell) & you pretty much have him for 5-7 years. Assuming nobody goes "Dustin Penner" on us with an offer sheet.

The 2008 draft, the 4 of the top 5 picks played in the NHL this past season. If you cannot get the impact players via a trade or a free agent signing how else will you get them?

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#138 Downright Fierce
July 02 2009, 05:14PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

Duke wrote: HOFFA wrote: Why haven’t the Oilers issued some kind of statement? It would be nice to hear something. They really haven’t even had someone pop their head out the office door and welcome the new goalie. I wonder if Khabibulin is still at the airport waiting for a pickup. haha

I absolutely hate the idea of plugging my blog on here, honest. But... If you happen to click on my name and read to the end of the most recent post, you may notice that I have the same concern.

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#139 alan
July 02 2009, 05:16PM
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How about flipping heatley to nyr for staal and dubinsky?

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#140 Hemmertime
July 02 2009, 05:20PM
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@ BUCK75: Ahh okay, just wanted to make sure you truly are an idiot that expects/wants us in the bottom 5.

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#141 misfit
July 02 2009, 05:38PM
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HA!

I absolutely LOVE that Murray thinks teams are going to offer MORE than they already have just to save $4M of his remaining $35M with no savings on the cap.

I really don't care whether we get Heatley or not. 1st line LW isn't our biggest need. Heatley isn't going to improve our PK, our inability to win faceoffs, and he won't do much to decrease the number of goals we give up. We're really going to struggle to make the playoffs until we adress those issues, with or without Dany Heatley.

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#142 Librarian Mike
July 02 2009, 05:51PM
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@ Downright Fierce:

Aha! I guess great minds think alike. I'm going to 'favorite' your blog. Cheers!

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#143 jeanshorts
July 02 2009, 05:52PM
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@ Hemmertime:

And you're an idiot that wants this team to finish between 10th and 7th every year? That seems to be working out really well for this club. Aim for mediocrity I guess.

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#144 RossCreek
July 02 2009, 06:22PM
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Eklund So, here is what i can say of the rumor The Hawks, Leafs and Sharks are all tied in a three way trade that would move around 5M 1 minute ago from TweetDeck

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#145 Greg MC
July 02 2009, 06:33PM
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Just need to get in the playoffs with the right type of players (Remember 2006)?

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#146 Lee Fogolin
July 02 2009, 06:51PM
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Ok forget Heatley already, it's not even a UFA situation. Pretty much all the good UFA's are gone! This is about a hockey trade with a NMC and signing bonus...pretty messy stuff and not worth the time or energy.

How about trading our 2 biggest assets to get some young talent and build up from there. Trade Souray and Visnosky for STRAIGHT and FAIR hockey deals...here goes.

Trade #1: Edm - Souray (D), M-A Pouliott (C/RW) SJ - Michalek (LW), Murray (D) and 2nd round pick

Trade #2: Edm - Visnosky (D), O'Sullivan (C/RW) Bos - Krecji (C), Stuart (D) and 2nd & 3rd round pick

Should still have a solid core of young d-men with Grebs, Gilbert and Smid, vets in Staois and Strudwick.

Add potential first line scoring in Michalek, Krecji...solidfy the top six d-men with Murray, Stuart...future assets in 2nd & 3rd round picks.

btw Tambo can still add UFA d-man in Morris, Beauchemin etc and stay below the salary cap.

Make it a REAL hockey deal...any thoughts?

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#147 Sandra
July 02 2009, 07:01PM
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Todd Harvey just cut up the Oilers and Edmonton on OTR, now we have a 4th liner dissing the city. I used to like him.

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#148 Smokin' Ray
July 02 2009, 07:05PM
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@ Sandra: Don't forget that his last memory of Edmonton was MacT making him cry by telling him he's benched in the SCF. That may have something to do with his attitude towards E-town.

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#149 Chester Copperpot
July 02 2009, 07:06PM
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@ Sandra:

What did he say? Is he bitter because he wasn't re-signed after 2006?

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#150 Sandra
July 02 2009, 07:06PM
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@ Smokin' Ray: He did play in the finals.

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