Dany Heatley: next steps and options

Jason Gregor
July 02 2009 12:37PM

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The Oilers haven’t backed off from acquiring Dany Heatley, but it sounds like they will have to sweeten the pot if they are going to get him out of Ottawa. The price has just went up according to Sens GM Bryan Murray.

Whether that means the Oilers have to add in some prospects, or take another salary off the books of the Senators is unclear. The unique thing about this deal is that even though the Sens have paid Heatley $4 million, if they trade him before the season starts that money won’t count against their cap.

The team that gets Heatley will only have to pay him $4 million in salary this year, but he is a $7.5 million cap hit on their books.

"Edmonton is the only option that has been presented to us, and you can't tell that there aren't more," J.P. Barry told Sportsnet.ca.

Well I’m not sure how many other options they truly have. The Rangers aren’t interested now that they have Gaborik, and supposedly Glen Sather had targeted Gaborik over Heatley anyways.

The Canucks can’t take him now that the Sedins’ have re-signed for a combined cap hit of $12.2 million per year, and the Wild landed Havlat.

So who are the other options?

I’m betting you think it’s the Kings. They have lots of cap space, are stacked with young players Ottawa would like and are a sexy location for Heatley.

But watch this.

Does that sound like the Kings are interested?

I don’t think so. Sorry Dany you won’t be living the life in LA.

I’ve been told that Heatley has seen this, and it is clear that the Kings are an unlikely destination.

So who else is there?

The San Jose Sharks possibly. But they have 15 players signed for $51 million already. Patrick Marleau has one year left on his deal, the Sens aren’t in love with Cheechoo, and so will the Sharks give up Clowe, Setoguchi and a D-man for Heatley? That would be pretty steep.

The Coyotes and Predators won’t be in the mix, so that doesn’t leave him many options.

Heatley needs to decide today, and so do the Oilers. I think it is time the Oilers ask for a decision from his camp. Is he in, or out?

And then the Oilers need to live with the decision, move on and look at other options to try and improve their team.

They offered a great deal to Ottawa, and the Sens wanted it — for a moment even Heatley seemed like he was willing to come, but he got cold feet and now he is dragging them on the beach in Kelowna.

Enough is enough. Make a decision a move on.

The decision needs to come today, and I think the Oilers need to make it, because it is evident that Heatley can’t make it himself.

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#351 Fish
July 03 2009, 11:01AM
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I just saw a picture of Eklund (Dwayn Klessel) for the first time. The guy looks like a pedophile.RossCreek wrote:

Fish wrote: I just saw a picture of Eklund (Dwayn Klessel) for the first time. The guy looks like a pedophile. e5

Ha. Brilliant.

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#352 RossCreek
July 03 2009, 11:02AM
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July 3, 2009 | 2:10am ET Nash talks heading in right direction TheFourthPeriod.com

It appears contract negotiations between the Blue Jackets and Rick Nash are moving along in the right direction, according to the Columbus Dispatch. Citing an unnamed source, the Dispatch reported on its website Thursday night that the two sides "are not that far apart at all." Nash was originally disappointed with the Blue Jackets initial offer, but his agent, Joe Resnick, tendered a counter proposal this morning and discussions continued until late last night. The Dispatch claims two contracts are being discussions: a seven-year deal and a 10-year pact -- both of which include a no-movement clause. Nash, 25, made $6.5 million this past season and should see his salary hit around the $7.5 million to $8 million mark on a new deal.

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#353 DK0
July 03 2009, 11:04AM
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I would feel better if we locked up Grebs sooner then later. He had a huge improvement this season. He went from Wanye's deserving goat to Wanye's undeserving goat in one single season!

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#354 RossCreek
July 03 2009, 11:04AM
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TheFourthPeriod on twitter

A decision on where they'll sign is expected today for the following players: Fedotenko, Koivu, Kovalev, Beauchemin, Samuelsson about 3 hours ago from web

You can add NJ & NYR to the list of teams hot for Saku Koivu. No timeline for decision, but Saks wants 3-to-4yrs. MIN & ANA still in mix about 12 hours ago from web

PIT will try to replace Scuderi, either trade or free agency. They've also spoken briefly with Fedotenko & Sykora, but nothing serious yet about 13 hours ago from web

The Kings are very much trying to add a scoring winger. They've spoken to Tanguay & Kovalev, but they're also active around the trade front about 13 hours ago from web

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#355 Jason Gregor
July 03 2009, 11:04AM
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Mikey wrote:

I don’t think Moreau and Staois are these great heralded leaders that everyone here thinks they are. My example of this would be, THEIR team has never won. THEIR team hasn’t even come close to winning except for that one spectacular summer. So what exactly makes them so great?

Just based on what you said, does that mean the Iginla is not a good leader, because HIS team had one spectacular run, and has never got out of the first round any other time? Just curious.

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#356 Reagan
July 03 2009, 11:06AM
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Jason, Please post that Hextall clip. It was freaken hillarious.

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#357 DK0
July 03 2009, 11:09AM
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@ Reagan: Click the words "but watch this." thats underlined in the article above. The clip hasn't gone anywhere. no need to post it again.

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#358 RossCreek
July 03 2009, 11:09AM
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Reagan wrote:

Jason, Please post that Hextall clip. It was freaken hillarious.

Look way up

'WATCH THIS'

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#359 Fish
July 03 2009, 11:11AM
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I'd give my right nut for Iginla.

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#360 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:12AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Mikey wrote: I don’t think Moreau and Staois are these great heralded leaders that everyone here thinks they are. My example of this would be, THEIR team has never won. THEIR team hasn’t even come close to winning except for that one spectacular summer. So what exactly makes them so great? Just based on what you said, does that mean the Iginla is not a good leader, because HIS team had one spectacular run, and has never got out of the first round any other time? Just curious.

I think that's exactly what we're saying, I wouldn't call Iggy a great leader, or even a good leader. A great leader has the ability to make his team more than just the sum of it's parts, to increase their intensity when needed, and take the team on his back when needed.

Iggy does none of those things, nor does Moreau, and neither team has had lasting success in the post season.

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#361 Mikey
July 03 2009, 11:12AM
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@ Jason Gregor: To be fair, I never said they weren't good leaders, I said they aren't as great as everyone thinks.

Jarome brings much much more to the table than Moreau and Staois ever will. However, one might be able to question his ability to take his team to the next level. I would be one of those people.

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#362 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:14AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Just based on what you said, does that mean the Iginla is not a good leader, because HIS team had one spectacular run, and has never got out of the first round any other time? Just curious.

Also, the difference is, Iginla took HIS team to the finals, while Pronger took HIS team to it. Ethan and Steve didn't take anyone anywhere.

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#363 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 11:14AM
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Duke wrote:

Can we stop with the suggestions that the Oilers are missing out on UFA’s? The Oil don’t have the cap room to sign UFA’s, so if we’re going to get somebody it’s going to be through trades. And, i’m bored of the talk that we need to find someone to play with Hemsky. If Hemmer wants to be a superstar, then he needs to make those around him better, not wait til some 7-8M UFA comes in and makes HIM better.

Why would the Cap be an issue in July? Get the players you need to make you better and worry about fixing the Cap over the summer. There is room in the budget to add a quality 3rd line center like Malhotra and a physical D-Man. If that happened the Cap could easily be fixed by sending Staios to Springfield or through trades.

Hemmer is a good player and hasnt needed anyone to make him a good player for the last 3 years. He single handedly drives the PP and was responsible for the most even strength goals on the team. I cant imagine why so much venom is spewed towards the best player on the team who has been consistently scoring despite being anchored down by Horc and a constant rotation of subpar LWs.

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#364 Smokin' Ray
July 03 2009, 11:19AM
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BigE57 wrote:

@ Smokin’ Ray: Well, it does but only if you don’t want to come to Edmonton it seems, more of a NEC……..

LOL. True.

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#365 Fish
July 03 2009, 11:19AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I cant imagine why so much venom is spewed towards the best player on the team who has been consistently scoring despite being anchored down by Horc and a constant rotation of subpar LWs

Surely you jest. Are you not aware that the talented Reddox had a cup of coffee on the top line and he is one of the finest players in the NHL.

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#366 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:21AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

constant rotation of subpar LWs

True, how many less points would Spezza get playing with plumbers instead of Heatley/Alfie.

You have to think good linemates increase your output by 10-20%. Most years, this puts Hemmer around 85-90 points.

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#367 DK0
July 03 2009, 11:22AM
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@ ScubaSteve: @ Mikey: I think the core of the argument here is that you are saying that a true leader must also be an impact player. A man who has the ability to single handedly jumpstart the rest of the team in a game. I'm not sure if I completely agree with that but i would definitely agree that its easier to lead by example then it is to be a 3rd line plugger trying to fire up your 1st line scorers

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#368 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 11:24AM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

True, how many less points would Spezza get playing with plumbers instead of Heatley/Alfie.

We will soon find out i guess

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#369 Fish
July 03 2009, 11:24AM
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DK0 wrote:

its easier to lead by example then it is to be a 3rd line plugger trying to fire up your 1st line scorers

What about that foppish little dandy "Rudy" of Notre Dame fame?

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#370 DK0
July 03 2009, 11:26AM
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Fish wrote:

DK0 wrote: its easier to lead by example then it is to be a 3rd line plugger trying to fire up your 1st line scorers What about that foppish little dandy “Rudy” of Notre Dame fame?

And his ability to lead the team to a tackle late in the game when it was already all but over?

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#371 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:27AM
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DK0 wrote:

an impact player

You don't need to score to be an impact player. A big hit does nicely, or a scrap when we're getting blown out. You don't need to be the best player on the team, but you can't have the "leader" as the worst. Which, IMO Staois is the worst D-man on the team. I can count on one hand how many times he made a pass out of the zone, and didn't just ship it off the boards.

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#372 Fish
July 03 2009, 11:28AM
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That little pansy was just the best.

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#373 RossCreek
July 03 2009, 11:28AM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

True, how many less points would Spezza get playing with plumbers instead of Heatley/Alfie.

Spez will have an awesome year... he'd look mighty fine playing with hemsky, as Spezza's become more of a shooter and a scoring threat.

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#374 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:28AM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

just ship it off the boards

"Chip it"

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#375 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 11:30AM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

You don’t need to score to be an impact player. A big hit does nicely, or a scrap when we’re getting blown out.

Too bad the Oiler Captain's version of leadership includes taking a hooking penalty late in the game after being rubbed off the puck by the other team's 4th liners.

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#376 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:31AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Too bad the Oiler Captain’s version of leadership includes taking a hooking penalty late in the game after being rubbed off the puck by the other team’s 4th liners.

Zing!! So sad that it's true...

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#377 Mikey
July 03 2009, 11:34AM
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@ Archaeologuy: That is exactly why it would be hard to take him seriously as a captain. There were never any repercussions for that either, which will hopefully change this year.

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#378 sittingatmydesk
July 03 2009, 11:34AM
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So i just a woke up .. had a dream that oilers were trying to get Heatley and he rejected the trade...twice!!!.. oh man what a nightmare.. so whats new in oilersnation?

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#379 DK0
July 03 2009, 11:36AM
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Quinn/Renney don't owe anybody in the room anything. I don't see them letting much slide from anyone until they get to know the team better. I really hope they walk in and take the C and A's and put them completely up for grabs based on the first 10 games of the season.

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#380 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 11:38AM
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@ Mikey: I have no doubts that Quinn will hold him accountable. As far as I'm concerned the Moreau Captaincy is a transitional one that needs to be ended as quickly as possible. A real leader that plays in the top 6 or top 4 needs to be found quickly. I dont believe in using plumbers and fringe players as the leadership core.

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#381 BigE57
July 03 2009, 11:39AM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

I think that’s exactly what we’re saying, I wouldn’t call Iggy a great leader, or even a good leader. A great leader has the ability to make his team more than just the sum of it’s parts, to increase their intensity when needed, and take the team on his back when needed.

Face facts man those guys are few and far between Messier, Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman the NHL and its fans were lucky to see this many guys of that quality in basically one era.

I consider guys like Iginla and Moreau far better leaders than a guy like Crosby, who actually won something.

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#382 Fish
July 03 2009, 11:39AM
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I think everyone is being pretty hard on Moreau. I think ANY team in the NHL would take him if given the opportunity. I'm not saying we would get a tonne for him, but he bleeds for the team every night. Guys like him are few and far between. A throwback if you will.

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#383 RossCreek
July 03 2009, 11:41AM
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sittingatmydesk wrote:

So i just a woke up .. had a dream that oilers were trying to get Heatley and he rejected the trade…twice!!!.. oh man what a nightmare.. so whats new in oilersnation?

Don't laugh... On the 1st I texted a buddy to say the Oil signed Khabibulin... he told me when he woke up earlier that morning, he looked at his gf and said 'bulin wall' for no apparent reason... and she just looked at him like WTF

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#384 Mikey
July 03 2009, 11:41AM
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@ Archaeologuy: Agreed.

BigE57 wrote:

I consider guys like Iginla and Moreau far better leaders than a guy like Crosby, who actually won something.

Why?

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#385 Nick Dynasty
July 03 2009, 11:44AM
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Dregers latest video on TSN says Heatley is unlikely to change his mind... How about moving for Kovalchuk? He's in his last year of his contract with Atlanta and if anything he's a better finisher than Heatley and younger too. Of course we'd have to be able to sign him to an extension beyond 09-10 if we're giving up young players.

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#386 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 11:45AM
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@ Fish: I didnt have a problem with him until he started being a liability on the ice. Guys like him are NOT few and far between. 3rd liners are in abundance in the NHL and 3rd liners that take bad penalties are actually easy to find anywhere.

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#387 scorecoff hemmercules
July 03 2009, 11:50AM
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I find it interesting the everyone seems to know a players leadership qualities when they havent been friends with him, or been in the dressing room with them, or been on the bench with them, or been on the ice with them, or been on the bus with them.........

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#388 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:51AM
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The Oilers (and a few other teams) have a tendency to believe that 3rd-4th line muckers have more heart than top line scorers. This is total crap, you can have a 100 point guy with just as much heart as a 4th liner. Just because your a grinder doesn't mean you are a better or worse leader. You need to look at it on a player by player basis.

Ethan Moreau = Bad leader Bredan Morrow = Good leader

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#389 vern
July 03 2009, 11:52AM
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Didn't he just win an award for leadership

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#390 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 11:55AM
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@ scorecoff hemmercules:

dont need to know the guy to clearly see that his leadership sunk the team the last 2 years and killed what used to be one of the best dressing rooms in the league.

@ vern:

Was it the Messier award for ON ICE leadership? NO. It was 95% for his community work.

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#391 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 11:56AM
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vern wrote:

Didn’t he just win an award for leadership

Let's get something straight, the Clancy award IS NOT awarded to the league's best leader. It is for: Leadership qualities on and off ice AND contribution to community. It is basically a Humanitarian Award.

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#392 scorecoff hemmercules
July 03 2009, 11:56AM
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Dany wakes up tomorrow and says to himself, "What have I been thinking?? I'm off to Edmonton!"

Does Tambellini seriously think this will happen at this point?? Whatever was said in Kelowna has surely dragged this out longer than it should have. What could of he said out there that lead our management to believe this could still happpen???

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#393 scorecoff hemmercules
July 03 2009, 11:59AM
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@ Archaeologuy:

Wasn't really directing that at Moreau but just the conversation as a whole. Nobody knows how these guys are with the team all the time. Everyone has their good moments and bad moments, Moreau included.

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#394 vern
July 03 2009, 12:00PM
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ya one guy sunk the room. Not great moves like putting redox on the first line. Or penner daydraming about a quarter pounder meal while on ice. Or the great special teams and team wide inability to win a faceoff. No one guy can make up for idiotic coaching and sub par talent

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#395 Smokin' Ray
July 03 2009, 12:02PM
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as per Dan Tencer on Twitter: (Not expecting an Oilers management availability today, either. They feel it has been so well documented that there's not much to add.)

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#396 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 12:07PM
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@ scorecoff hemmercules: true enough, but there have been too many chances given to these guys. Every year there is somebody making excuses for the bad decisions or poor leadership and it has to end. If a guy isnt Captain material in 2009 then he isnt captain material, no matter how gritty he played in 2006, 2001, or 1998.

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#397 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 12:09PM
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vern wrote:

ya one guy sunk the room.

Obviously not, but he's the Captain and the state of the team is in large part his responsibility. If it isnt then what is the point of having a Captain?

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#398 Smokin' Ray
July 03 2009, 12:14PM
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vern wrote:

ya one guy sunk the room. Not great moves like putting redox on the first line. Or penner daydraming about a quarter pounder meal while on ice. Or the great special teams and team wide inability to win a faceoff. No one guy can make up for idiotic coaching and sub par talent

Honestly... IMO I think it was more the sub par talent rather than the idiotic coaching. Something behind the scenes was wrong last year. But things have changed.

As far as Moreau goes. He took more 'Bad Timing Penalties™' than anyone else on the Oiler roster. It's hard to follow when a player does that.

"Leadership is action, not position."

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#399 Mikey
July 03 2009, 12:15PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

If it isnt then what is the point of having a Captain?

Taking bad penalties??

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#400 Downright Fierce
July 03 2009, 12:16PM
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scorecoff hemmercules wrote:

Does Tambellini seriously think this will happen at this point?? Whatever was said in Kelowna has surely dragged this out longer than it should have. What could of he said out there that lead our management to believe this could still happpen???

I think we're looking at a scenario where Heatley thinks Murray's been dogging it in the front office and he doesn't want to settle for the first thing to come along. Conversely, Murray probably did try to shop around, but he's well aware that the Oil package is the best package the Sens will get. Finally, the Oil are probably hoping that the two parties will get tired of scrapping and are banking on Heatley to be too fed up to return to Ottawa in the fall, thus: 15 heads West.

I'm not as convinced and I think it's just as likely that the Heater returns to O-town. I've been saying it since this stuff started...

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