Dany Heatley: next steps and options

Jason Gregor
July 02 2009 12:37PM

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The Oilers haven’t backed off from acquiring Dany Heatley, but it sounds like they will have to sweeten the pot if they are going to get him out of Ottawa. The price has just went up according to Sens GM Bryan Murray.

Whether that means the Oilers have to add in some prospects, or take another salary off the books of the Senators is unclear. The unique thing about this deal is that even though the Sens have paid Heatley $4 million, if they trade him before the season starts that money won’t count against their cap.

The team that gets Heatley will only have to pay him $4 million in salary this year, but he is a $7.5 million cap hit on their books.

"Edmonton is the only option that has been presented to us, and you can't tell that there aren't more," J.P. Barry told Sportsnet.ca.

Well I’m not sure how many other options they truly have. The Rangers aren’t interested now that they have Gaborik, and supposedly Glen Sather had targeted Gaborik over Heatley anyways.

The Canucks can’t take him now that the Sedins’ have re-signed for a combined cap hit of $12.2 million per year, and the Wild landed Havlat.

So who are the other options?

I’m betting you think it’s the Kings. They have lots of cap space, are stacked with young players Ottawa would like and are a sexy location for Heatley.

But watch this.

Does that sound like the Kings are interested?

I don’t think so. Sorry Dany you won’t be living the life in LA.

I’ve been told that Heatley has seen this, and it is clear that the Kings are an unlikely destination.

So who else is there?

The San Jose Sharks possibly. But they have 15 players signed for $51 million already. Patrick Marleau has one year left on his deal, the Sens aren’t in love with Cheechoo, and so will the Sharks give up Clowe, Setoguchi and a D-man for Heatley? That would be pretty steep.

The Coyotes and Predators won’t be in the mix, so that doesn’t leave him many options.

Heatley needs to decide today, and so do the Oilers. I think it is time the Oilers ask for a decision from his camp. Is he in, or out?

And then the Oilers need to live with the decision, move on and look at other options to try and improve their team.

They offered a great deal to Ottawa, and the Sens wanted it — for a moment even Heatley seemed like he was willing to come, but he got cold feet and now he is dragging them on the beach in Kelowna.

Enough is enough. Make a decision a move on.

The decision needs to come today, and I think the Oilers need to make it, because it is evident that Heatley can’t make it himself.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#401 Robin Browee
July 03 2009, 12:17PM
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scorecoff hemmercules wrote:

I find it interesting the everyone seems to know a players leadership qualities when they havent been friends with him, or been in the dressing room with them, or been on the bench with them, or been on the ice with them, or been on the bus with them………

Well said, but conclusions about players are made by people who have never been near them all the time. It's done by stats guys, fans, bloggers, MSM etc etc. Lots of talk about "the next level," "putting a team on his back" and blah, blah, blah. Much of it is rubbish. I've known players who were labelled as leaders because their team had success when they didn't have the first clue about leadership. I've known players labelled as bad leaders because their teams didn't excel who have been excellent leaders. It is one of the areas where the context of real first-hand knowledge is needed to get an accurate picture.

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#402 Mikey
July 03 2009, 12:18PM
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Mikey wrote:

Archaeologuy wrote: If it isnt then what is the point of having a Captain? Taking bad penalties??

I kid, I kid.

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#403 Mikey
July 03 2009, 12:19PM
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@ Robin Browee: So do you think Ethan Moreau is a good leader for this hockey club?

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#404 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 12:20PM
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who is Robin Browee?

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#405 DK0
July 03 2009, 12:23PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

who is Robin Browee?

bahaha, good eye.

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#406 Robin Brownlee
July 03 2009, 12:29PM
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Mikey wrote:

@ Robin Browee: So do you think Ethan Moreau is a good leader for this hockey club?

I think Ethan is a good man who had a bad year -- on and off the ice -- as the captain of this team. No chance I'd take the C from him because that's a real slap that isn't deserved, but he has to be better on the ice and better in the room at helping bridge the gap between the younger and older players.

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#407 Ducey
July 03 2009, 12:33PM
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I think managment ought to make a public statement out of respect for the players involved. I guess they could have done this privately, but it must be tough on Penner, Smid and Cogliano.

They ought to switch focus on getting a couple of tough centers for the 3rd and 4th lines who can play the PK and win faceoffs. If they do this, I like their lineup.

Someone mentioned they were 7th in offence in the West last year but like 13th in the west in D. If they improve their toughness, PK and faceoff percentage, have a healthy Vish and Pisani, and get some development from their young core, they should be right in the mix to make the playoffs.

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#408 Andrew W
July 03 2009, 12:42PM
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It's disappointing to me that the broken hand Moreau played through this season isn't taken into account for his on-ice struggles. Rather than bashing him, shouldn't fans be applauding this remarkable effort? This must have fundamentally influenced his ability to play, yet at no point did he make this legitimate excuse public knowledge. It's also quite understandable how he would have been frustrated by any other player who wouldn't play through lesser injuries.

Recapping, some bloggers are complaining about a checking/energy player who scored a hat trick with a broken hand, questioning his leadership? Really? I agree that it's impossible to judge this unless you're a member of the team, but this type of dedication should be a good clue about his commitment, which is an important characteristic of any leader.

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#409 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 12:49PM
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Andrew W wrote:

It’s disappointing to me that the broken hand Moreau played through this season isn’t taken into account for his on-ice struggles.

If it was enough to affect his performance, he should have taken himself out of the line-up. That's not heart, it's stupidity and selfishness. If he struggled on the ice, it would've affected the Oil W/L stats. A leader knows when to step back, and when to play through it.

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#410 dragon
July 03 2009, 12:53PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Mikey wrote: @ Robin Browee: So do you think Ethan Moreau is a good leader for this hockey club? I think Ethan is a good man who had a bad year — on and off the ice — as the captain of this team. No chance I’d take the C from him because that’s a real slap that isn’t deserved, but he has to be better on the ice and better in the room at helping bridge the gap between the younger and older players.

there's a great one-week intensive leadership course at U of A. it might help him...

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#411 HockeyFan
July 03 2009, 01:18PM
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Yeah you tell the Oilers, Gregor! I'm sure your say has alot of effect and it matters plenty to them...

/sarcasm

LOL

Hey, I thought you said you were 100% sure Heatley was coming to Edmonton a few nights ago. Even though plenty of reputable sources said that Heatley still needed to waive his NTC. Even when Tencer(an ACTUAL Oiler insider) said that the deal was dead on twitter, you genius' on 1260 still kept arguing that the NHL was 'stalling' or that the NTC was waived and it didn't hit the news yet... LOL. Way to try and save face. SIGH and to think having ONE Eklund was bad enough.

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#412 scorecoff hemmercules
July 03 2009, 01:23PM
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The one thing about Moreau, as compared to some other captains, is that he isn't in a position to really "put the team on his back and carry them to the cup final" (as some like to put it, which I think is rediculous). He usually isnt the guy scoring that huge goal, making that big hit or being part of that important play at the end of a close game. In that case he really isn't in any position to say to the team that we aren't scoring or hitting enough and have everyone agree with him. I guess what I'm saying is its nice to have a captain like Iggy who can actually call out his team on poor performance when needed, I'm not so sure everyone would agree with Ethan all the time. Not to take away from his leadership effort-wise and maybe his dressing room actions (which I dont know if they are good or bad) but its nice to have a captain thats at least a top 3 guy on your team. I'm kinda confused after that...... T minus 2 hours to beer time!!!

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#413 Andrew W
July 03 2009, 01:29PM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

If it was enough to affect his performance, he should have taken himself out of the line-up. That’s not heart, it’s stupidity and selfishness. If he struggled on the ice, it would’ve affected the Oil W/L stats. A leader knows when to step back, and when to play through it.

These are, of course, matters of opinion, but I firmly believe that this should be a coach's decision. Any professional player, especially a hard-nosed gritty player like Moreau, shouldn't be pulling himself from the line-up if he thinks he can play. Do you really want to argue that we want a team of soft players - think Pitkanen - who pull themselves if they're only capable of playing at 95%?

Another consideration is that both the player and coach knew that there simply wasn't anybody else on the roster who could come close to filling the role that Moreau was trying to play. With a lack of depth in checking players, who would you propose to insert in his place?

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#414 Andrew W
July 03 2009, 01:34PM
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@ scorecoff hemmercules:

So what did you think of Jason Smith as a captain, then? He certainly wasn't a top three skill guy, or even top ten...

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#415 Robin Brownlee
July 03 2009, 01:35PM
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HockeyFan wrote:

Yeah you tell the Oilers, Gregor! I’m sure your say has alot of effect and it matters plenty to them… /sarcasm LOL Hey, I thought you said you were 100% sure Heatley was coming to Edmonton a few nights ago. Even though plenty of reputable sources said that Heatley still needed to waive his NTC. Even when Tencer(an ACTUAL Oiler insider) said that the deal was dead on twitter, you genius’ on 1260 still kept arguing that the NHL was ’stalling’ or that the NTC was waived and it didn’t hit the news yet… LOL. Way to try and save face. SIGH and to think having ONE Eklund was bad enough.

HockeyFan? How about greasy little dweeb hiding behind a fake name? Listen up, Poindexter. Next time you drive by to deliver a rip job intended to draw a reaction, come up with some better material. Now wipe the dougnut sugar from around your lips and put down your litre bottle of Sprite and think before you type you EMO misfit.

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#416 The Towel Boy
July 03 2009, 01:42PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

RB: 1 HF: 0

*clap clap clap clap*

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#417 Andrew W
July 03 2009, 01:43PM
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Hey! I like EMO!

*Runs away to defiantly listen to Dashboard Confessional*

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#418 HockeyFan
July 03 2009, 02:03PM
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@ Robin Brownlee

Why do I need "better material" if my original message got the point across?

By the way, good job in realizing that HockeyFan isn't my real name. Even though my cover's been blown and it is indeed a fake name, I am in fact a Hockey Fan. You know... those guys that prefer to listen to solid sports journalism and insider information(ie. from people that actually work for the Oilers). Rather than listen to spotty, amateur(at best) reporting and baseless rumors. I'm 100% sure(pulling a Gregor) that that's what desribes a Hockey Fan.

*Takes a sip from my bottle of Sprite*

PS. Name calling? Really? Wow, you stay classy there, pro.

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#419 scorecoff hemmercules
July 03 2009, 02:06PM
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@ Andrew W:

I just said its "nice" to have a captain that's one of your top guys, not that he has to be. I think Gator was a good Captain, I don't think I've ever heard from anyone that he wasn't now that I think about it. I don't mean to imply that Moreau should be stripped of of the C either, for all I know behind closed doors he could be the best captain the Oilers have ever had. Some of his comments at times and his on-ice actions kinda make you think though. Gator, as far as I can remember, was always well liked and professional.

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#420 OvenChicken8
July 03 2009, 02:07PM
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HockeyFan wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee Why do I need “better material” if my original message got the point across? By the way, good job in realizing that HockeyFan isn’t my real name. Even though my cover’s been blown and it is indeed a fake name, I am in fact a Hockey Fan. You know… those guys that prefer to listen to solid sports journalism and insider information(ie. from people that actually work for the Oilers). Rather than listen to spotty, amateur(at best) reporting and baseless rumors. I’m 100% sure(pulling a Gregor) that that’s what desribes a Hockey Fan. *Takes a sip from my bottle of Sprite* PS. Name calling? Really? Wow, you stay classy there, pro.

1/10 on your trolling attempt. *goes back to playing video gam... I mean work*

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#421 HockeyFan
July 03 2009, 02:09PM
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AT LEAST 2/10!

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#422 Helmerfied
July 03 2009, 02:18PM
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@ HockeyFan: Unless you're being held captive by someone bigger than you, who is forcing you to listen to 1260 or read the views from the writers of this site?! If it's all so terrible, then why? Why listen, why read if it's all so terrible? The fact you still listen to 1260, read the stories on this site makes you appear to be a "know-it-all" seeking attention by bashing the people who make an effort to keep Oiler fans informed. Let's keep in mind that, between you and the writers, you're the least-connected to the team of them all...by far. If you want to go through the track record, I'm pretty sure this site has had the goods correct before made official many times more often than being incorrect. Just be thankful we have the opportunity to have this info made available to us (for free, I might add). Gregor may have made a mistake, yes (although I'd fight that notion hard given what's been reported of how things went down) but to come on here and bash him (week after the fact)...not seeing the point too much here man.

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#423 Fish
July 03 2009, 02:20PM
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Moreau = Best Leader in Hockey Hockey Fan = Foppish Dandy

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#424 Andrew W
July 03 2009, 02:24PM
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@ scorecoff hemmercules:

Fair enough. I'm likely being oversensitive about the criticisms being directed Moreau's way because he's been trying to play through broken bones for the last couple of seasons and many people seem to overlook this level of commitment. It's foolish of me to disagree that a captain with a high skill level would be an advantage, too.

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#425 Fish
July 03 2009, 02:27PM
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It's pretty unbelievable that anyone would question Moreau's leadership or commitment. I agree with Robin, he is a good man who had a bad year. To lose a guy like him would be devastating to the Oilers and the community. If you don't think so, ask some of the parents of the children at the Stollery. They may have a different opinion than most of you dorks.

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#426 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 02:33PM
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@ Fish: No one is talking about his off ice work. I give to charity as well, doesnt mean i should be the Captain of an NHL team.

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#427 Curious
July 03 2009, 02:36PM
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@ HockeyFan:

Just listen to 630 CHED instead. They are so insightful. Like on the news at noon, where they commented that the thunderstorm yesterday was great for the golf courses. Man it sucks to have brown golf courses. The guy from the golf course was actually trying to turn the conversation saying they were not the worst off but the reporter woudl have none of it.

How would you like to have 3000 acres of crop which you have $150 an acre worth of crop inputs into getting worse and worse every day and $80/acre worth of crop insurance. How would like to have 100 cows eating tree leaves because the grass is gone and having to spend $100 a bale to feed them? But who cares about that, as long as the grass on the golf course is a-ok, things are great according to your information station.

Ill listen to Gregor anytime. At least I wont have to listen to how the golf courses are doing.

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#428 Fish
July 03 2009, 02:37PM
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@ Archaeologuy: Yes it does. I think you'd make a fine captain.

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#429 Fish
July 03 2009, 02:37PM
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@ Curious: Farmers. Always complaining.

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#430 Curious
July 03 2009, 02:43PM
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@ Fish: Yeah, whats a couple hundred thousand, there is always next year right?

Id laugh but it is kind of hard too.

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#431 idrinkPilsner
July 03 2009, 02:48PM
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Fish wrote:

@ Curious: Farmers. Always complaining.

Yep, if you didn't know better you'd think we (farmers) make 7.5 million a year and have a NMC.

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#432 Rogue
July 03 2009, 02:53PM
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Fish wrote:

@ Curious: Farmers. Always complaining.

Way to go Fish. Where does food come from? Thats right, they make it all at Safeway. Ever ventured out of your room? Farmering isnt "sexy" but their life is at the hands of Mother Nature, among other things.

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#433 Mike Hynes
July 03 2009, 02:58PM
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Why is everyone still whining about this heatlet situation wasn't it only 1 year ago that not only the oilers brass but the rest of nhl reporters were thinking the oilers were gonna challenge for the division? I think its silly to think that changing this team completely is gonna change anything why not keep this team the way it is and see what happens maybe with this new coaching regime is in place maybe our powerplay and penalty kill won't be so transparent to other teams. Just saying.....

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#434 Curious
July 03 2009, 02:58PM
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@ idrinkPilsner: lol. I would take $7.5 million once - heck spread it over 25 years if you want and Ill live the rest of my life happily and comfortably. I would even wave my NMC to get it.

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#435 Mikey
July 03 2009, 03:00PM
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Fish wrote:

It’s pretty unbelievable that anyone would question Moreau’s leadership or commitment. I agree with Robin, he is a good man who had a bad year. To lose a guy like him would be devastating to the Oilers and the community. If you don’t think so, ask some of the parents of the children at the Stollery. They may have a different opinion than most of you dorks

I don't know if it would be "devastating" to the Oilers to lose him. You need to seperate what he does on and off the ice. He may be a good man, but he isn't a good leader(in my humble opinion).

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#436 ScubaSteve
July 03 2009, 03:27PM
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Mikey wrote:

You need to seperate what he does on and off the ice. He may be a good man, but he isn’t a good leader(in my humble opinion).

I totally agree, while I respect him for what he does off the ice, what he does on the ice shows that he doesn't deserve the C. While I can't tell what happens in the room, I can see how he leads on the ice.

Gator WAS a top 3 D when they gave him the C, and he would back up his words with a big hit if needed. Moreau doesn't, and hasn't since he got the letter on his chest. Injury or no injury, the bad penalties, lack of drive and desire of the team have nothing to do with him being hurt. The loss column doesn't care who's a "good man" and who isn't

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#437 Chris
July 03 2009, 03:36PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Why would the Cap be an issue in July? Get the players you need to make you better and worry about fixing the Cap over the summer. There is room in the budget to add a quality 3rd line center like Malhotra and a physical D-Man. If that happened the Cap could easily be fixed by sending Staios to Springfield or through trades.

I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that you can't exceed the cap by more than 10% over the summer.

Also, if you just dump a guy like Staios in the minors, after all he has done for this team, just because he is aging... forget EVER attracting or retaining players in this organization.

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#438 Mike Hynes
July 03 2009, 03:43PM
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Just a question what's the penalty for going over the cap?

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#439 fish
July 03 2009, 03:56PM
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Touche

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#440 Archaeologuy
July 03 2009, 04:06PM
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Chris wrote:

if you just dump a guy like Staios in the minors, after all he has done for this team, just because he is aging… forget EVER attracting or retaining players in this organization.

I highly doubt that, lots of organizations have had to do it already. There is no reason to believe that doing exactly the same thing as everyone else would cause a completely different reaction. 10% of the Cap is roughly 5 million. Acquiring a few key guys would unlikely take the Oilers more than 5 million over the cap.

Where do you think Staios would go if Tambi added Heatley and picked up a tough Dman to replace Smid? Straight to Springfield. The 2012 home of Horcoff and Penner.

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#441 Oil-man-Dan
July 03 2009, 04:11PM
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@ HockeyFan. You're a little late to the punch with the old Gregor made a mistake and now lets sit back and take pot shots bit... thats already been done by better than you. But very tough talk by the way, Im sure were all impressed.

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#442 Mike Hynes
July 03 2009, 05:05PM
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Is moreau's captaincy more based on his time in edmonton or based on his leadership in the locker room he has shown glimpses of wanting to be a guy that leads by example but I don't think he possesses the skill to be this type of player but I also don't see any other player besides souray truly filling that role I'm not in the oilers dressing room ever but I am betting that moreau being captain was part of the problem within the dressing room he just hasn't done anything in his career to gain the respect of the young guns we have got on this team, we need a leader that has something that these young players can look up to maybe ummm I don't know a Stanley cup ring

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#443 Hemmertime
July 03 2009, 05:09PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

HockeyFan? How about greasy little dweeb hiding behind a fake name?

What is the difference between me using Hemmertime or me using my real name? Either means absolutely nothing to you. Stop ripping on people for using alias when bingofuel and Wanye Gretz are the same damn thing. It's the internet, you're writing on it, publishing on it, but insulting the customs. You're in our world now, show respect.

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#444 Hemmertime
July 03 2009, 05:11PM
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And I agree Hockeyfan was being a jackarse and deserves it, but you always use "fake name" to come back at people. Your name is recognizable to Oiler fan and thus should use it. Mine? Im at work posting 90%, thus shouldnt.

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#445 Robin Brownlee
July 03 2009, 05:25PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Robin Brownlee wrote: HockeyFan? How about greasy little dweeb hiding behind a fake name? What is the difference between me using Hemmertime or me using my real name? Either means absolutely nothing to you. Stop ripping on people for using alias when bingofuel and Wanye Gretz are the same damn thing. It’s the internet, you’re writing on it, publishing on it, but insulting the customs. You’re in our world now, show respect.

When you come here making a sensible argument, as the vast majority of ON readers do, engage in real debate or simply to have some fun, I prefer alias to "fake name." When you come here for no other reason than to stir things up and ridicule an ON writer, as as clearly the case in this instance, it's a "fake name." You get back what you offer up.

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#446 ShaunDoe
July 03 2009, 06:20PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Hemmertime wrote: Robin Brownlee wrote: HockeyFan? How about greasy little dweeb hiding behind a fake name? What is the difference between me using Hemmertime or me using my real name? Either means absolutely nothing to you. Stop ripping on people for using alias when bingofuel and Wanye Gretz are the same damn thing. It’s the internet, you’re writing on it, publishing on it, but insulting the customs. You’re in our world now, show respect. When you come here making a sensible argument, as the vast majority of ON readers do, engage in real debate or simply to have some fun, I prefer alias to “fake name.” When you come here for no other reason than to stir things up and ridicule an ON writer, as as clearly the case in this instance, it’s a “fake name.” You get back what you offer up.

Robin has a point in that if you are going to make an accusation or an attack on someones name you better be willing to stand by yours at the same time. To do otherwise is fairly cowardly if I can use such a word in this instance. In reality, whether Hockey Fan uses his real name or not probably bears little significance to Gregor, but it just shows a slight ammount of self respect for the poster when they are willing to stand by their argument in full disclosure.

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#447 Hemmertime
July 03 2009, 09:30PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Ya, Hockeyfan was a jerk and deservedly put in his place. Just lighten up on that fake name stuff and u'll still rank #1 in our hearts. Otherwise it feels like you're calling us all out lol

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#448 heavyd
July 03 2009, 10:02PM
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So smyth gets traded to la, so this means that they don't want Heatly either, I can't see any other options for Heatly except Oilers.

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#449 Sandra
July 03 2009, 11:07PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

HockeyFan wrote: Yeah you tell the Oilers, Gregor! I’m sure your say has alot of effect and it matters plenty to them… /sarcasm LOL Hey, I thought you said you were 100% sure Heatley was coming to Edmonton a few nights ago. Even though plenty of reputable sources said that Heatley still needed to waive his NTC. Even when Tencer(an ACTUAL Oiler insider) said that the deal was dead on twitter, you genius’ on 1260 still kept arguing that the NHL was ’stalling’ or that the NTC was waived and it didn’t hit the news yet… LOL. Way to try and save face. SIGH and to think having ONE Eklund was bad enough. HockeyFan? How about greasy little dweeb hiding behind a fake name? Listen up, Poindexter. Next time you drive by to deliver a rip job intended to draw a reaction, come up with some better material. Now wipe the dougnut sugar from around your lips and put down your litre bottle of Sprite and think before you type you EMO misfit.

Well said Robin !! but your too nice, even though you tell some one off , you say it in a "good" way ,Your not too harsh and your not soft. I remember you and T.W. on the radio, Kudos to you!

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July 03 2009, 11:10PM
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heavyd wrote:

So smyth gets traded to la, so this means that they don’t want Heatly either, I can’t see any other options for Heatly except Oilers.

There is still the sharks

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