Oilers re-sign Reddox and Potulny

Jason Gregor
July 29 2009 02:40PM

Liam Reddox: Unlikely Hero

The Oilers have re-signed Liam Reddox and Ryan Potulny.

When Reddox refused his offer sheet, it was surprising that that even got out, since Ladislav Smid and Gilbert Brule didn’t accept their original offer sheet either.

These are depth signings and I’d bet both will be more involved in helping the Falcons than they will plying their trade with the Oilers.

Reddox will probably be the 14th forward on the team when camp breaks. He has shown he can be a reliable forward in a limited role, and despite his size he actually competes harder on the puck than most of the Oiler forwards who are bigger than him.

But if the Oilers have to ice a lineup that has Pouliot, Pisani and Reddox in the same game then they are in trouble because they all have similar traits, although Pisani is the best of the bunch.

As for Potulny he seems destined for the Falcons, and he is a good signing for Falcons fans, but Oiler fans shouldn’t be to giddy about this signing. I don’t see how he ever becomes a regular on this team. Still you need depth on the farm if you want the kids to at least be competitive in the AHL.

While Reddox gives the Oilers depth, I don’t see his re-signing making them a better team. He doesn’t address what Pat Quinn said he wanted from his bottom six forwards: size and hard to play against. While Reddox at least competes for the puck, he won’t ever have defencemen thinking about blowing snow if he is on the forecheck.

Depth signings for the Oilers, is what these two are, but the problem is they are small forwards. Do the Oilers really need more depth in that department? I say no.

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#1 Travis Dakin
July 29 2009, 02:48PM
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Ugh.... well at least it's some news.

I want something important to happen!

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#2 socaldave
July 29 2009, 02:48PM
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YAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Finally, a signing!! Oh... wait. oh dear... really?

~pops head back into the sand til October~

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#3 Mike
July 29 2009, 02:49PM
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Well said. I can't understand why all our depth guys have to be smurfs. Potulny isn't that big either and I don't think he has the skills to ever be a top six, so he is only good for the Falcons, and I never watch them so that doesn't help me...ugh...is it September yet..

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#4 ronaldo
July 29 2009, 02:49PM
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Ok, I know I made fun on MMA being homoerotic yesterday. Must you use that photo to prove that, as a hockey fan, I'm hypocritical.

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#5 scorecoff hemmercules
July 29 2009, 02:50PM
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Wow, Tambellini making moves that don't improve the big team. I'm shocked.........sigh.....this sucks.

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#6 Travis Dakin
July 29 2009, 02:50PM
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BAAHAHAHA

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#7 Fat-free_Oreo
July 29 2009, 02:51PM
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TSN hasn't even picked up the story yet. Why are they slacking so much? This is huge!! Huge I tell ya!

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#8 scorecoff hemmercules
July 29 2009, 02:51PM
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#9 swany
July 29 2009, 02:51PM
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So Brule and Smid rejected there offers, I didn't know that what is Brule seeking a one way deal or more money?

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#10 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 02:54PM
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@ Jason Gregor:

When Reddox refused his offer sheet, it was surprising that that even got out, since Ladislav Smid and Gilbert Brule didn’t accept their original offer sheet either.

Whay are you surprised that got out? Unsigned qualifying offers expire on July 15th; anyone who hasn't signed by that point has obviously rejected the offer.

It was obvious that Reddox had rejected it, and anyone familiar with the CBA wouldn't even need to see a story confirming that - all they'd need to see would be the absence of a story saying he had signed it.

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#11 cambosmash
July 29 2009, 02:55PM
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I'd put Potulny on the second line ahead of Nilsson, Brule and Schremp right now. At least he's proven he can find the net in pro hockey.

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#12 TonyT
July 29 2009, 02:56PM
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This is turning out to be one of the worst summers in recent memory, at least when Lowe was in charge we had some optimism heading into the season (post lockout anyways). Not saying that Tambellini is doing a bad job, but he's not really doing a good job as there's nothing really to critique. At this point I'd take anything, for the sake of doing something. If that means bringing back MacT himself as our third line center, do it at least it'll give Willis' somebody new to run a blog on, he's running out of players.

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#13 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 02:57PM
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Mike wrote:

I can’t understand why all our depth guys have to be smurfs.

Dear God.

J-F Jacques, Zack Stortini, Steve MacIntyre, Colin McDonald, Ryan Stone, Geoff Paukovich, Ryan O'Marra.

They aren't all smurfs. There's plenty of size there.

Hell, the Oilers could ice two crash-and-bang fourth lines if that's what they wanted; muscle isn't the issue, and I don't care who says otherwise.

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#14 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 02:58PM
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swany wrote:

So Brule and Smid rejected there offers, I didn’t know that what is Brule seeking a one way deal or more money?

The rejection isn't unusual. All the team has to do is give a 10% increase to retain their rights, then they negotiate from there. Brule would love to get a one-way deal, because if he gets a two-way it makes it much easier to send him down to the AHL.

Jonathan Willis wrote:

Whay are you surprised that got out? Unsigned qualifying offers expire on July 15th; anyone who hasn’t signed by that point has obviously rejected the offer.

My point was it happens all the time to marginal players. Is Reddox not agreeing to it really that big of a deal. It wasn't like teams were going to be salivating over him.

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#15 Fat-free_Oreo
July 29 2009, 03:04PM
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@ Jason Gregor:

Totally agree about O'Marra being lazy, Gregor. And yes, Paukovich isn't even close. I wouldn't call those guys 'depth' players.

To each their own I guess.

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#16 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:04PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

My point was it happens all the time to marginal players. Is Reddox not agreeing to it really that big of a deal. It wasn’t like teams were going to be salivating over him.

Very true. I think the surprise was the TSN (Rishaug?) article saying he was looking for a job in Europe, which is what had us all thinking Liam was going away.

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#17 Travis Dakin
July 29 2009, 03:05PM
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TonyT wrote:

at least when Lowe was in charge we had some optimism heading into the season (post lockout anyways)

I would call waiting for Heatley to make a choice optimism....

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#18 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:05PM
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Fat-free_Oreo wrote:

@ Jason Gregor: Totally agree about O’Marra being lazy, Gregor. And yes, Paukovich isn’t even close. I wouldn’t call those guys ‘depth’ players. To each their own I guess.

Okay, eliminate them - I don't like 'em either. That still leaves Jacques, MacIntyre, Stortini, McDonald, and Stone as legitimate 4th line options.

That's plenty of depth, isn't it?

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#19 Zamboni Driver
July 29 2009, 03:06PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Mike wrote: I can’t understand why all our depth guys have to be smurfs. Dear God. J-F Jacques, Zack Stortini, Steve MacIntyre, Colin McDonald, Ryan Stone, Geoff Paukovich, Ryan O’Marra. They aren’t all smurfs. There’s plenty of size there. Hell, the Oilers could ice two crash-and-bang fourth lines if that’s what they wanted; muscle isn’t the issue, and I don’t care who says otherwise.

Dear god..you're a one-trick pony.

zero points ever; tries hard can't play; can't skate; who? who? who?

Nice argument.

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#20 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 03:10PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: Mike wrote: I can’t understand why all our depth guys have to be smurfs. Dear God. J-F Jacques, Zack Stortini, Steve MacIntyre, Colin McDonald, Ryan Stone, Geoff Paukovich, Ryan O’Marra. They aren’t all smurfs. There’s plenty of size there. Hell, the Oilers could ice two crash-and-bang fourth lines if that’s what they wanted; muscle isn’t the issue, and I don’t care who says otherwise. Dear god..you’re a one-trick pony. zero points ever; tries hard can’t play; can’t skate; who? who? who? Nice argument.

So your looking for depth with size that can score? Their all already in the NHL.

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#21 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 03:15PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

J-F Jacques, Zack Stortini, Steve MacIntyre, Colin McDonald, Ryan Stone, Geoff Paukovich, Ryan O’Marra.

Will any of the last four play? You listed O'Marra, that guy is so lazy it is hilarious. Just because they are listed with size doesn't mean they can play. Depth means you have guys that can actually fill a void when one presents itself. If Jacques and Stortini got hurt do they have anyone that could crash, bang and fight with regularity? I'm sure Reddox and Potulny don't fit that mold.

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#22 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 03:16PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: J-F Jacques, Zack Stortini, Steve MacIntyre, Colin McDonald, Ryan Stone, Geoff Paukovich, Ryan O’Marra. Will any of the last four play? You listed O’Marra, that guy is so lazy it is hilarious. Just because they are listed with size doesn’t mean they can play. Depth means you have guys that can actually fill a void when one presents itself. If Jacques and Stortini got hurt do they have anyone that could crash, bang and fight with regularity? I’m sure Reddox and Potulny don’t fit that mold.

Stone?

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#23 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 03:21PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Stone?

He would be the best option, but he is more of crasher than a guy who would be willing to drop the leather. Stone isn't signed yet, although he doesn't have many options, so he probably will in the future. I just don't see their depth as a bunch of guys who are really close to being legit NHLers. They have improved because Minard at least has some skill to his game, but players with size that can play are very few in this organization. It has been a problem for awhile.

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#24 Curious
July 29 2009, 03:22PM
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Wow our problems are solved! And here I thought Reddow was going to Europe. This is awesome. I am going to rub my junk on a stucco wall to curb my enthuiasm and get through the rest of the day

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#25 Asciutto
July 29 2009, 03:23PM
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"If Jacques and Stortini got hurt do they have anyone that could crash, bang and fight with regularity? I’m sure Reddox and Potulny don’t fit that mold."

MacIntyre Stone McDonald

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#26 DanMan
July 29 2009, 03:27PM
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@ cambosmash:

AHL goals are different than NHL goals. Nobody is scared of driving to the net in the A. Potulny's 38 didn't mean anything because in 8 NHL games, he had 3 assists and was a minus. Schremp had 3 assists in 4 games and was a plus player.

Potulny's skills are more suited to the minors. Reddox battled pretty well for loose pucks. But to stick in the show under Pat Quinn, he will have to show more of an edge, like a young Darcy Tucker.

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#27 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 03:27PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Stone? He would be the best option, but he is more of crasher than a guy who would be willing to drop the leather. Stone isn’t signed yet, although he doesn’t have many options, so he probably will in the future. I just don’t see their depth as a bunch of guys who are really close to being legit NHLers. They have improved because Minard at least has some skill to his game, but players with size that can play are very few in this organization. It has been a problem for awhile.

Ya I'd be comfortable with Stone filling in for one of JFJ/Stortini for 15/20 games per year (not that I know alot about him other then what I've read)

Also, as for the fighting, if we really needed a scrapper (ie against Wild/Ducks etc) Big MacT could sub in for Stone those games.

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#28 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:28PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Dear god..you’re a one-trick pony. zero points ever; tries hard can’t play; can’t skate; who? who? who? Nice argument.

But they all have muscle; and Jacques, Stortini, MacIntyre, McDonald and Stone are all 4th line material (except maybe MacIntyre).

If you're looking for top-nine guys with muscle, fine, but a lack of top-end AHL guys with muscle isn't an issue. Of course those guys (like the since-departed Boulerice and Sestito) are a dime a dozen and pretty easy to come by via the waiver wire.

Maybe this team needs more capable grit, but that's got nothing to do with the guys in the Reddox/Potulny range.

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#29 thashiznit
July 29 2009, 03:28PM
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Gregor,

what is going on with you and strudwick at the capitals game?

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#30 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:28PM
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DanMan wrote:

Nobody is scared of driving to the net in the A.

Except Rob Schremp?

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#31 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:32PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

If Jacques and Stortini got hurt do they have anyone that could crash, bang and fight with regularity?

Sure. They just pick up Jesse Boulerice or a similar guy off waivers.

Fighters are not difficult creatures to find. Hell, Steve MacIntyre was an ECHL'er two years ago, and he still doesn't add much other than fisticuffs.

As for crashers and bangers, guys who can crash and bang and play don't get sent to the AHL. If you're only worried about the first two, Geoff Paukovich will work just fine.

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#32 DanMan
July 29 2009, 03:32PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Thats not his game, my friend. Never will be.

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#33 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 03:32PM
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Asciutto wrote:

MacIntyre Stone McDonald

Is Big Mac a guy you would play with confidence for 25 consecutive games? We'll see. Have you seen MacDonald play, he doesn't dominate physically in the AHL, what makes you think he would here?

thashiznit wrote:

Gregor, what is going on with you and strudwick at the capitals game?

All season they have had a hitting contest on home saturday night games. I'm against him this saturday. If he loses he'll never hear the end of it, since I'm not baseball slugger.

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#34 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:34PM
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@ DanMan:

It's ridiculous to suggest that nobody is afraid to crash the net in the AHL. Just ridiculous. The league isn't as talented as the NHL, but it's just as - if not more - mean.

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#35 Asciutto
July 29 2009, 03:36PM
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"hard to play against" does not equal "dominate physically"

"Is Big Mac a guy you would play with confidence for 25 consecutive games?"

Absolutely not I wouldn't have him on the roster at all But he does "dominate physically" when, every now and then, he catches up to the play.

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#36 Curious
July 29 2009, 03:42PM
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zFirst Reddox, then Poultny signed. Then I learn the Rush trade Teat. Holy crap what a day.

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#37 Lofty
July 29 2009, 03:42PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

J-F Jacques, Zack Stortini, Steve MacIntyre, Colin McDonald, Ryan Stone, Geoff Paukovich, Ryan O’Marra. They aren’t all smurfs. There’s plenty of size there.

Some people are forgeting how the Oil got MacIntyre; Its not hard to find Big, knuckle throwing 4th liners on waivers once the season starts.

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#38 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:46PM
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Asciutto wrote:

“hard to play against” does not equal “dominate physically”

Bingo.

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#39 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 03:49PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

As for crashers and bangers, guys who can crash and bang and play don’t get sent to the AHL. If you’re only worried about the first two, Geoff Paukovich will work just fine.

We will agree to disagree on Paukovich. He has shown absolutely nothing that shows he can PLAY in the NHL in any role so far.

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#40 Archaeologuy
July 29 2009, 03:50PM
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That pic is amazing.

*must resist temptation to suggest that it resembles how Reddox convinced MacT to let him play on the 1st line...resistance is futile...*

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#41 DanMan
July 29 2009, 03:50PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

There aren't any Regehrs, Charas, Jackmans, etc. But there are tough d-men in the A as well.

You must agree it takes better shooting accuracy, vision, passing skills to create NHL goals than in the AHL.

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#42 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:52PM
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@ Jason Gregor:

Oh, I don't think Paukovich can play either. But then again, there's a bunch of guys I who I don't think can play in the NHL on plenty of NHL rosters - Boulerice, Sestito and MacIntyre all qualify this past season.

The idea is that guys who can crash and bang and play are rare, and as 4th line-quality types go the Oilers are actually pretty well stocked (Jacques, Stortini, Stone).

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#43 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:53PM
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DanMan wrote:

@ Jonathan Willis: You must agree it takes better shooting accuracy, vision, passing skills to create NHL goals than in the AHL.

Yes, but I don't think it takes any more courage.

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#44 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 03:54PM
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DanMan wrote:

There aren’t any Regehrs, Charas, Jackmans, etc. But there are tough d-men in the A as well.

I'd be much more worried about a guy like Matt Nickerson than any of the above; he be crazy.

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#45 DanMan
July 29 2009, 03:57PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Thats debateable. Guys like Bougenicki, Bochenski, Pittis, and others score at a point-per-game level in the A, and can't do $hit in the NHL. Hence the term "career minor-leaguer". It just takes something more in the NHL, with some guys it is skill, with others it is will.

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#46 Asciutto
July 29 2009, 04:00PM
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"Reddox convinced MacT to let him play on the 1st line"

Reddox played 421 ES minutes for the Oilers last season. 13th on the team.

He played *one-quarter of the minutes with Horcoff, *one-quarter with Cogliano, *one-quarter with Brodziak. The other 100 minutes were spread about.

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#47 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 04:03PM
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@ DanMan:

You ever read Don Cherry's books? You should - he's much better on the printed page than on TV. Anyways, read about the lives of minor leaguers. These guys play just as hard or harder than the average NHL'er; it makes sense, really, since they're taking the same risks for a lot less money.

Career minor leaguers don't lack physical courage; if they did they'd be selling insurance somewhere.

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#48 DanMan
July 29 2009, 04:04PM
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@ Asciutto:

I think you have to be a real MacT die-hard to agree with Reddox ever playing on the top line.

Sometimes I wonder if the guys who stuck up for that decision are MacT fans or Oiler fans.

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#49 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 04:08PM
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Ales Hemsky was on the ice for 1006 shots, for and against, last season.

22 of those took place on the ice with Liam Reddox.

In other words, Ales Hemsky spent roughly 2% of his total even-strength ice-time on the ice at the same time as Liam Reddox. Just under 20 minutes, in other words.

I didn't think Reddox was the best choice, but people have been getting absolutely crazy overstating this. It's ridiculous.

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#50 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 04:08PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Oh, I don’t think Paukovich can play either. But then again, there’s a bunch of guys I who I don’t think can play in the NHL on plenty of NHL rosters - Boulerice, Sestito and MacIntyre all qualify this past season.

I think the fact Sestito played one game and Boulerice two shows they weren't NHLers and far from depth guys.

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