Oilers re-sign Reddox and Potulny

Jason Gregor
July 29 2009 02:40PM

Liam Reddox: Unlikely Hero

The Oilers have re-signed Liam Reddox and Ryan Potulny.

When Reddox refused his offer sheet, it was surprising that that even got out, since Ladislav Smid and Gilbert Brule didn’t accept their original offer sheet either.

These are depth signings and I’d bet both will be more involved in helping the Falcons than they will plying their trade with the Oilers.

Reddox will probably be the 14th forward on the team when camp breaks. He has shown he can be a reliable forward in a limited role, and despite his size he actually competes harder on the puck than most of the Oiler forwards who are bigger than him.

But if the Oilers have to ice a lineup that has Pouliot, Pisani and Reddox in the same game then they are in trouble because they all have similar traits, although Pisani is the best of the bunch.

As for Potulny he seems destined for the Falcons, and he is a good signing for Falcons fans, but Oiler fans shouldn’t be to giddy about this signing. I don’t see how he ever becomes a regular on this team. Still you need depth on the farm if you want the kids to at least be competitive in the AHL.

While Reddox gives the Oilers depth, I don’t see his re-signing making them a better team. He doesn’t address what Pat Quinn said he wanted from his bottom six forwards: size and hard to play against. While Reddox at least competes for the puck, he won’t ever have defencemen thinking about blowing snow if he is on the forecheck.

Depth signings for the Oilers, is what these two are, but the problem is they are small forwards. Do the Oilers really need more depth in that department? I say no.

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#51 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 04:12PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I think the fact Sestito played one game and Boulerice two shows they weren’t NHLers and far from depth guys.

Jesse Boulerice has had a 172-game NHL career, and has seen time in the league in six of the past seven seasons. He played two games last year.

For comparison, the depth guy he's getting compared to (Ryan Potulny) has played 52 NHL games and has seen NHL time over the last four seasons. He played eight games last year.

I think it's a fair comparison.

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#52 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 04:13PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Ales Hemsky was on the ice for 1006 shots, for and against, last season. 22 of those took place on the ice with Liam Reddox. In other words, Ales Hemsky spent roughly 2% of his total even-strength ice-time on the ice at the same time as Liam Reddox. Just under 20 minutes, in other words. I didn’t think Reddox was the best choice, but people have been getting absolutely crazy overstating this. It’s ridiculous.

Further on this, Ales Hemsky was on the ice for 150 shots with Ethan Moreau; that's 15% of the time.

How is that any moe excusable?

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#53 Ender the Dragon
July 29 2009, 04:15PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Reddox convinced MacT to let him play on the 1st line

Jonathan Willis wrote:

people have been getting absolutely crazy overstating this. It’s ridiculous.

Thank you, JW.

Asciutto wrote:

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The voice of reason. For all Reddox-haters, what the hell did he do last year that's got you so PO'd that he's offered a contract? Be mad at the way MacT used him occassionally if you must, but that's nothing on Reddox. With Quinn/Renney at the helm, Reddox is lucky to see Skyreach at all this year, but so what if he does? He eats minutes while your top lines rest and maybe he learns to kill penalties on top of that. He's going to be a low-cost contract and he competes hard every night. The guy'll block a shot without even thinking about it. Hell, if the rest of the Oilers try even 1% harder just so as to look like they care as much as this guy, that makes him worth it right there.

He's not Heatley. Get over it. That doesn't make him a bad signing.

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#54 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 04:17PM
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DanMan wrote:

@ Asciutto: I think you have to be a real MacT die-hard to agree with Reddox ever playing on the top line. Sometimes I wonder if the guys who stuck up for that decision are MacT fans or Oiler fans.

The truth is that lots of teams have guys that have no business on NHL first lines .... on NHL first lines (for short periods of time)

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#55 DanMan
July 29 2009, 04:18PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

To me, anyone other than Penner, Kotalik, O'Sullivan, Cogliano, or one of our offensive prospects on the top line LW is inexcuseable.

MacT's thinking was we won't have the puck that much anyway, so it is better to have a safer, more responsible player there. That is a defeatist attitude, and it refelcts on the players. You have to have confidence in your top line. Having Gagner at center doesn't mean an automatic goal-against.

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#56 Asciutto
July 29 2009, 04:20PM
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"Ales Hemsky spent roughly 2% of his total even-strength ice-time on the ice at the same time as Liam Reddox"

Of course most of Reddox' ice time with Horcoff was when Hemsky was hurt.

There's an interview with MacT done on the plane to Washington in January. Hemsky was hurt at the time He talks about line match-ups Its instructive

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#57 DanMan
July 29 2009, 04:20PM
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@ Ogden Brother:

Okay, name some rookies with very mediocre offensive talent that played on top lines last year.

I can't think of any.

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#58 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 04:21PM
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@ Ogden Brother: Okay, name some rookies with very mediocre offensive talent that played on top lines last year. I can’t think of any.

Abdelkader in the SCF

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#59 DanMan
July 29 2009, 04:23PM
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@ Ogden Brother:

Abdelkader is a big body with nice hands, the opposite of Liam Reddox

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#60 David S
July 29 2009, 04:25PM
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DanMan wrote:

MacT’s thinking was we won’t have the puck that much anyway, so it is better to have a safer, more responsible player there. That is a defeatist attitude, and it refelcts on the players. You have to have confidence in your top line. Having Gagner at center doesn’t mean an automatic goal-against.

Not sure if it was a defeatist attitude as much as a realist attitude. We just weren't that good last year, especially when Viz went down for the season. Maybe the idea was to try to limit the damage and score when we could.

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#61 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 04:28PM
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DanMan wrote:

Okay, name some rookies with very mediocre offensive talent that played on top lines last year.

Do you know how many minutes Alex Ovechkin played with Tyler Sloan last year? 123:32. Roughly six times as many as Reddox played with Hemsky.

~Fire Boudreau.~

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#62 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 04:30PM
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DanMan wrote:

Abdelkader is a big body with nice hands, the opposite of Liam Reddox

AHL points per game in their last AHL season:

Reddox: .677 Abdelkader: .684

I don't see the vast difference in offensive ability that you do.

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#63 DanMan
July 29 2009, 04:30PM
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@ David S:

You are right. But is that really the kind of game you think we should play.

It seems like some coaches and fans are so focused on being defensively sound, and think that the offense will just take care of itself.

It doesn't work that way, you need to be able to have a good offensive strategy, just as you do defensive.

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#64 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 04:30PM
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DanMan wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: Abdelkader is a big body with nice hands, the opposite of Liam Reddox

Haha, nice cop out.

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#65 OvenChicken8
July 29 2009, 04:30PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Do you know how many minutes Alex Ovechkin played with Tyler Sloan last year? 123:32. Roughly six times as many as Reddox played with Hemsky. ~Fire Boudreau.~

Nah, trade Ovechkin ;)

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#66 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 04:32PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

DanMan wrote: Okay, name some rookies with very mediocre offensive talent that played on top lines last year. Do you know how many minutes Alex Ovechkin played with Tyler Sloan last year? 123:32. Roughly six times as many as Reddox played with Hemsky. ~Fire Boudreau.~

I'd be willing to bet 80%+ teams have 1/2 guys that played far out of position for small chunks of the season.

Pardy (Calgary D) spent as much time at LW as Smid did.

For some reason everyone thinks teams stick their top 3 players on line 1, player 4 - 6 on line 2 etc. and then keep them there for the game.

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#67 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 04:32PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

DanMan wrote: Abdelkader is a big body with nice hands, the opposite of Liam Reddox AHL points per game in their last AHL season: Reddox: .677 Abdelkader: .684 I don’t see the vast difference in offensive ability that you do.

Damn, beat me to it.

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#68 jeff
July 29 2009, 04:37PM
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Very interesting picture, was that picked on purpose?

Well little shocked that Reddox signed, but really I don't think it's a huge deal. Just another guy fighting for a job, is that really a bad thing?

If he makes the team then he deserves it, if not then to the AHL he goes.

Any chance he jumps ship after training camp?

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#69 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 04:41PM
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To take the Reddox thing one step further:

Det gives us a perfect contrast.

If a rookie with weak AHL numbers can get some ice time on a team with that kind of offensive depth in the freaking SCF, then Liam Reddox can get a few games in on a team that only has one no questions asked 1st liner.

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#70 Stucco Wall
July 29 2009, 04:42PM
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Curious wrote:

Wow our problems are solved! And here I thought Reddow was going to Europe. This is awesome. I am going to rub my junk on a stucco wall to curb my enthuiasm and get through the rest of the day

You keep that junk away from me - if Heatley decides to come here, then that's a different story.

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#71 oilerbuff
July 29 2009, 04:43PM
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I like this signing....especially Potulny. I still believe the Oilers need to shake up the team a bit...I don't think they need to find a left winger to play with Hemsky. Cogliano can do it with Sam Gagner at centre. We have too many forwards, not enough size for the forecheck, and that certainly includes Reddox...he tries real hard but is just too small! we need Malhotra! get rid of Nilsson, trade Staios, and maybe even Pisani. I like these guys as much as the next, but it only makes sense. It will free up a total of 7.2 million worth of cap space,minus the 2 or so million it would take for Malhotra to sign. It would also give us some draft picks that the Penner deal cost us. Then, it would leave us some cap space to sign some of our coveted "young guns" next year. And, If Cogs gets to play first line with Hemsky and Gagner, ....we will need a decent amount of money to sign him again as I believe he will get at least 25 goals this year. bring on the feedback

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#72 thenosebleedsection
July 29 2009, 04:43PM
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I dont see the big deal. As someone pointed out. Yea Reddox isnt the biggest signing but at least the guy showed up when the team decided to mail it in.

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#73 cambosmash
July 29 2009, 04:48PM
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DanMan wrote:

AHL goals are different than NHL goals. Nobody is scared of driving to the net in the A. Potulny’s 38 didn’t mean anything because in 8 NHL games, he had 3 assists and was a minus. Schremp had 3 assists in 4 games and was a plus player.

Sorry, I was disregarding everything you said because of a blatantly wrong and misleading post. Potulny had 3 assists and was a +2 for the Oilers as was Schremp. Schremp also had the worst +/- in Springfield. They're not even in the same league effort wise. Schremp should have been in Stockton last year. Potulny also scored 7 goals in 35 games for the Flyers three years ago. That was a 16 goal/season pace and he hasn't gotten worse. Just hasn't gotten his legit shot.

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#74 oilerbuff
July 29 2009, 04:57PM
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@ cambosmash: I see what you are trying to do here, and I did think Schremp deserved his shot at the club with three assists and a plus rating in four games...and that potulny had 3 assists in 8 games and a minus rating...and that AHL goals are a lot different than NHL goals....However, you can't compare their stats for the simple fact that the played a VERY limited amount of games with the big club last year....Potulny had the third highest goal total in the AHL last year. And Shremp...not even worth mentioning. I hope he does his homework this summer. I'd like to see him in an Oiler uniform this year.

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#75 The Menace
July 29 2009, 05:16PM
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DanMan wrote:

Abdelkader is a big body with nice hands, the opposite of Liam Reddox

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#76 Reagan
July 29 2009, 05:20PM
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I was looking forward to the Oiler losing contracts.

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#77 Ender the Dragon
July 29 2009, 05:40PM
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The Menace wrote:

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I'd like to buy a vowel . . .

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#78 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 05:44PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

For comparison, the depth guy he’s getting compared to (Ryan Potulny) has played 52 NHL games and has seen NHL time over the last four seasons. He played eight games last year. I think it’s a fair comparison.

Journey men yes...but styles completely different...

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#79 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 05:51PM
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Here is the breakdown of Potulny and Reddox contracts..

Both signed a one-year, two-way deals.

Reddox will make $515,000 in the NHL and $55,000 in minors.

Potulny will make $595,000 in the NHL and $105,000 in minors.

Looks like Potulny's camp feels he is probably destined for the minors, thus the bigger ticket. And it is also what the Oilers needed to give him to entice him to sign with him. Many AHL teams have 7 or 8 guys making around $100,000.

Looks like Reddox wanted to stay in North America because he didn't get a big AHL contract.

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#80 Jonathan Willis
July 29 2009, 05:57PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Reddox will make $515,000 in the NHL

Reddox is definitively replacement level.

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#81 Quicksilver ballet
July 29 2009, 07:12PM
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Our future's so bright that we won't need shades :(

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#82 freeze
July 29 2009, 07:54PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Both signed a one-year, two-way deals. Reddox will make $515,000 in the NHL and $55,000 in minors.

Tencer says this is less than his QO. Why wouldn't he just sign the offer then? Would he be pressured take less or does his lower salary mean more opportunity in the show (for cap reasons)?

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#83 OILER86
July 29 2009, 07:56PM
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I still refuse to believe this is our opening night roster!! There will be a move or moves......

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#84 The Towel Boy
July 29 2009, 08:19PM
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OK, that picture is awesome.

I shall title it "Riding the Red Ox"

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#85 Jason Gregor
July 29 2009, 08:51PM
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freeze wrote:

Why wouldn’t he just sign the offer then? Would he be pressured take less or does his lower salary mean more opportunity in the show (for cap reasons)?

Good question, his QO was maybe $55,000 more. Not enough to make him that much more attractive to stay in the NHL as far as a salary bargain.

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#86 Hemmertime
July 29 2009, 09:45PM
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@ freeze: Miscalculation? Did we really say QO is this much, offered it, but thought he worth less and when contract talks continued we told him so? Smoooth

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#87 rick
July 29 2009, 09:47PM
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well all i have been hearing is that the oil have too many contracts and they sign these two this line up is a joke period we were fed a line at the tambo presser at the end of the season indicating that changes would be made, humm then we have Kevin Pendergrass (sp) sayin that this line up is fine the way it is? Again as a season ticket holder i'm tired of this team trying to convince the public that this team is rebuilding and getting better?? Oil fans it's another long year ahead 14th place looks good at this point but at least we signed the red ox right!

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#88 Dallas
July 29 2009, 10:11PM
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COME ON OILERS! Make a SIGNIFICANT MOVE already.

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#89 oilerzz
July 29 2009, 10:25PM
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OILER86 wrote:

I still refuse to believe this is our opening night roster!! There will be a move or moves……

i hope your right

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#90 ScubaSteve
July 29 2009, 10:28PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Do you know how many minutes Alex Ovechkin played with Tyler Sloan last year? 123:32. Roughly six times as many as Reddox played with Hemsky.

Way to cherry pick stats, JW, but Ovechkin also played 23:00/gm to Hemsky's 18:38. He played 500 more minutes than Hemsky this year. Of course Alex will play with other players more, he's on the ice for almost 1/2 the game.

To lay it out better, Ovechkin played with Sloan for less than 8% of his TOI each game.

Your MacT love is distorting the facts here, putting Reddox on the top line was a bad decision, period.

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#91 Ogden Brother
July 29 2009, 11:18PM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: Do you know how many minutes Alex Ovechkin played with Tyler Sloan last year? 123:32. Roughly six times as many as Reddox played with Hemsky. Way to cherry pick stats, JW, but Ovechkin also played 23:00/gm to Hemsky’s 18:38. He played 500 more minutes than Hemsky this year. Of course Alex will play with other players more, he’s on the ice for almost 1/2 the game. To lay it out better, Ovechkin played with Sloan for less than 8% of his TOI each game. Your MacT love is distorting the facts here, putting Reddox on the top line was a bad decision, period.

Wow, the point isn't the total amount of time spent. It's that multiple NHL coaches will put plugs with their stars.

It's about time people start realizing almost all coaches make the same type of decisions that MacT made

and that

NHL coaches >>>>>>> NHL fans when it comes to evaluating who and when player should play.

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#92 Harlie
July 29 2009, 11:35PM
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fire down below, on the Red Ox

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#93 Pfeif
July 30 2009, 12:04AM
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@ The Towel Boy:

It's even more fitting if you remember what the score was in that game

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#94 DanMan
July 30 2009, 12:39AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

I'm not drinkin your Kool-Aid, OB, and I sure as hell ain't drinkin MacT's

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#95 DanMan
July 30 2009, 01:10AM
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OB and Willis: There is a difference between Ovechkin double shifting and Reddox getting a regular top-line shift.

The way you guys are grasping at straws to defend MacT is getting to be hilarious.

There are other ways to coach hockey, we just haven't seen much of it in 8 years.

There aren't any rules that say your third line has to be a "shutdown" line. You don't even have to shutdown anyone if you plan on having the puck. Puck posession and a strong forecheck when not in posession imo wins in the new NHL.

Pat Quinn will certainly try to employ that strategy more than MacT ever did.

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#96 Ogden Brother
July 30 2009, 07:51AM
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DanMan wrote:

OB and Willis: There is a difference between Ovechkin double shifting and Reddox getting a regular top-line shift. The way you guys are grasping at straws to defend MacT is getting to be hilarious. There are other ways to coach hockey, we just haven’t seen much of it in 8 years. There aren’t any rules that say your third line has to be a “shutdown” line. You don’t even have to shutdown anyone if you plan on having the puck. Puck posession and a strong forecheck when not in posession imo wins in the new NHL. Pat Quinn will certainly try to employ that strategy more than MacT ever did.

What do you not understand? Det had an injury to their top line and they didn't automaticaly switch in their top 2nd liner, they put an AHL rookie on the line. If multiple NHL coaches use the strategy (especially one as well regarded as Babcok...espcially in the SCF) then it should be pretty clear that it's not some "wild and crazy idea" to slot some AHL'er on your top line for a handful of shifts.

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#97 myteammytown
July 30 2009, 07:51AM
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DanMan wrote:

Puck posession and a strong forecheck when not in posession imo wins in the new NHL

and how is the "strong forecheck" theory going to go when almost all of the top 3 lines have non-physical players?

i agree 110% this is the way the oilers SHOULD play. The problem, IMO anyways, is the Oilers dont have the type of players to actually play the style... maybe tambo has another move or 5 planned

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#98 freeze
July 30 2009, 08:09AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Good question, his QO was maybe $55,000 more. Not enough to make him that much more attractive to stay in the NHL as far as a salary bargain.

The Matheson article today talks about this today: cccp://tinyurl.com/nnv323 Is he implying here that Reddox held out for more AHL money? That would make sense since it is unlikely that he will stick out of camp.

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#99 The Towel Boy
July 30 2009, 08:27AM
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@ Pfeif:

Ptcha...that's the game that the Oilers totally took it to the Sabres. In fact, our goalie remarked after the game that he felt bad that they lost so bad...but was happy for the Sabres for "giving a good effort."

*remembers what actually happened and cries uncontrollably*

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#100 Fish
July 30 2009, 09:08AM
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Reddox has p!ssed me off ever since I saw an interview with him where he stated that he liked to eat alone on the road and go to bed early. I like my NHL'ers to light it up on the road and go to bed late. The guy is a major league Dork!

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