Limbo: spin to come?

Robin Brownlee
July 06 2009 03:43PM

heatleys-choice

By keeping quiet and not saying "no" to the Edmonton Oilers, Dany Heatley has left himself an out should he run out of options and end up having to shake hands with GM Steve Tambellini.

Having asked the Ottawa Senators for a trade, only to refuse to waive his no-movement clause in subsequent days after Tambellini and Ottawa GM Bryan Murray put together a package that would've shipped Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano and Ladislav Smid to the Sens, Heatley's taken his fair share of abuse.

Heatley did, after all, rebuff Tambellini and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe when they jetted to Kelowna to meet with him. That inflamed Oilers fans and caused more than a few commentators, myself included, to suggest it's for the best. I stand by that.

But what Heatley hasn't done through any of this is unequivocally say, "No" to the Oilers, to the trade, to the city. He hasn't made any firm decision and has avoided any statement on the situation.

That's his out. Should Heatley realize he has no other options, and with a return to Ottawa not in the cards now that Alexei Kovalev has been signed by the Senators, I suspect we'll be reminded of that if, in the next, say, 48 hours, he reluctantly gives Tambellini's deal his blessing.

The spin will begin.

Let me sleep on it

I can envision the Heatley news conference now...

TAMBELLINI: "We're very happy to announce we've acquired Dany Heatley from the Ottawa Senators. Dany is a great player and his resume both in the NHL and international play is stellar. This wasn't an easy deal to get done, but trades of this magnitude take time. We're very happy."

HEATLEY: "I'm extremely happy to be a member of the Edmonton Oilers. This is a storied franchise with a proud and successful history and I can't say how thrilled I am to be a part of it."

REPORTER: "Dany, what took so damn long?"

HEATLEY: "Decisions of this scope take a lot of thought. I didn't want to rush into anything. I wanted to be sure. It wasn't so much looking at other options as it was a matter of making sure Edmonton would be right for me and I'd be right for Edmonton. Remember, I never said no to Mr. Tambellini, I just didn't say yes."

REPORTER: "So you weren't waiting for a trade offer from the New York Rangers or the Los Angeles Kings?"

HEATLEY: "Those are great cities and great franchises as well, but, in the end, Edmonton was the best option. I'm very happy to be an Oiler."

Moving on

You know my thoughts on Heatley, so there's no need to regurgitate them yet again. The more I think about the situation, especially with the signing of Kovalev, the more I can see it unfolding this way.

I don't see other options for Heatley, at least not options that will be acceptable to Murray. That leaves me with the sneaking suspicion we could very well see Heatley bite his lip and polish his spin in preparation for an announcement this deal is done.

Those who have wanted Heatley all along will rejoice. Those who've cast a wary glance Heatley's way since the trade was leaked will continue to give him the stink eye. Those who jumped on the "it's a bad idea" bandwagon later on? Who knows what side of the fence they'll come down on.

Say what you want about Heatley, he isn't stupid. While actions should speak louder than words, his silence has left him an out, and the benefit of the doubt, with the people who want him here.

"I'm happy to be an Oiler..."

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#201 Heatly
July 07 2009, 08:30AM
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If we sign him, hopefully he has a great year and wants to stay even more. Any sign of him not being a good fit, we trade him when his market value is high.

Either way, it's BS that we need to even wait for him this long.

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#202 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 08:30AM
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@ Librarian Mike: THat's a good point, but it's not necessarily a case of no other team wanting Heatley. Any team that wants him also has to have the players Ottawa wants. NMC not withstanding, the Oilers wants and needs in a trade involving Heatley might be different than what Ottawa is looking for and that could open up the market for him. But we're getting ahead of ourselves here . . .

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#203 ronaldo
July 07 2009, 08:30AM
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Off topic but- leafs are being investigated for tampering, as per TSN. Because of Wilson, not Burke, but that's knit-picking, still feels good.

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#204 Duke
July 07 2009, 08:32AM
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@ Librarian Mike:

Well you'd probably need to get a solid 1/2 season out of him at least, maybe even the full season and see what the market is, and you Dany would need to play to his potential here, and maybe light up the olympics. Once it's been shown that he still has the skill set, somebody will make an offer.

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#205 Chaz
July 07 2009, 08:35AM
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@ Robin Brownlee: I agree Robin. David Staples wrote a good article today on the fact the the organization can't seem to decide weather to be patient and build through the draft or to go out and bring in expensive FA's to 'win now'. My opinion is that slow and steady wins the race. Trading Cogs for a 'Win Now' solution like Heatley to me sends the wrong message. He was a great pick, one our org should not let go IMO.

That being said, as long as they take Penner....

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#206 Jonathan Willis
July 07 2009, 08:41AM
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esa tikkanen wrote:

Does anyone here know if Heatley kills penalties? Strange question considering he is not known to be good defensively, but he has averaged 20 minutes per night the last few seasons. How do you do that as a forward if you aren’t killing penalties?

15:38 EV, 4:05 PP, 0:22 SH

Those are Heatley's TOI numbers for last season.

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#207 The Towel Boy
July 07 2009, 08:45AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

15:38 EV, 4:05 PP, 0:22 SH Those are Heatley’s TOI numbers for last season.

~ahhh...so he's a solid PKer then.

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#208 DanMan
July 07 2009, 08:48AM
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Cogliano doesn't have a position, Chaz. He's too small to be a winger, and, although I think faceoff % is an overrated statistic, just not good enough on the draw to be a center.

That being said, he does have some value as an asset. But we all want the Oil to get bigger on the wing, don't we? Well we have to give something up to get it. And Nilsson is not enough.

I really don't want to give up on Penner just yet. When someone gets him mad, he dominates. We saw that when he absolutely brutalized Landon Wilson against Dallas and Exelby vs Atlanta. In both games he scored a goal and an assist - the Gordie Howe hat trick. I am more than intrigued to see how he performs with the new coaching staff.

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#209 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 08:55AM
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DanMan wrote:

When someone gets him mad, he dominates.

What the Oilers need to do, then, if the trade doesn't go through is have Joey Moss eat the last piece of pizza and carton of Haagen Das before every game.

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#210 DanMan
July 07 2009, 09:00AM
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HAHA! I'm hearing the cymbal crash in my head, Robin!

I want to see what he gets up to the the offseason, 270? 280? Didn't Big Georges get up to 295 or something?

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#211 I'm a Scientist!
July 07 2009, 09:02AM
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@ Heatly: Crap... i leave the lab to get some beauty sleep and suddenly HEATLY is a Nationeer? This is going to get awkward...

*looks at his feet as he shuffles back in forth not wanting to make eye contact with Dany*

Yeah...umm...about my comment about you being a giant douche... umm... I confused you with Spezza. Sorry, you are awesome. Come score goals.

*runs to the bar, downs some shots then heads back to the Lab*

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#212 Chaz
July 07 2009, 09:07AM
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@ DanMan: I understand your argument and I agree; you can't get something for nothing. I just think the Oilers need to focus on building through the draft as opposed to trying to land the Big Fish. You're right about Cogs and his faceoff %, but losing him would also create a need in terms of a PK player. Unless you bring in someone with Free Agency, which we can't do for obvious reasons (Thank you K-Lowe)filling one hole on your team will always create another. I think the Oilers have been guilty as of late of over-focusing on addressing one need only to create others in the process. It's an evil cycle.

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#213 Alon
July 07 2009, 09:12AM
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@ Chaz: Chaz wrote:

filling one hole on your team through trade will always create another.

Fixed

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#214 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 09:12AM
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Chaz wrote:

@ DanMan: I understand your argument and I agree; you can’t get something for nothing. I just think the Oilers need to focus on building through the draft as opposed to trying to land the Big Fish. You’re right about Cogs and his faceoff %, but losing him would also create a need in terms of a PK player. Unless you bring in someone with Free Agency, which we can’t do for obvious reasons (Thank you K-Lowe)filling one hole on your team will always create another. I think the Oilers have been guilty as of late of over-focusing on addressing one need only to create others in the process. It’s an evil cycle.

Theirs plenty of money to add a 3rd line center. But I agree, the problem seems to be always focusing on the big name rather then filling manageble holes.

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#215 DanMan
July 07 2009, 09:17AM
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@ Chaz:

Well said, Chaz.

But Cogliano rarely killed penalties for us. The forwards that killed penalties most of last year were Horc, Brodz, Moreau (when he wasn't in the box himself), Pisani (when healthy), and Reddox. I actually was a big believer in having Cogliano on the PK.

I agree there are holes there, but guys like Pouliot and Brule really need to find their niche this year, and I think we should leave a spot or two open for training camp competition.

I don't want to see us sign other teams' castoffs like Betts or Malhotra. Like you said Chaz, the Oilers need to build through the draft, and maybe trades. We need to replenish the bottom 6, but there are some guys who have earned the shot, and they're in the system.

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#216 swany
July 07 2009, 09:31AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I’d rather have a 35-goal guy who’ll go through the wall for his teammates than a 45-goal guy who doesn’t give a crap about anybody but himself.

We had one Ryan Smyth

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#217 Bauer83
July 07 2009, 09:38AM
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Robin,

Any chance you can tip your hat on which side of the trade the inside info came from?

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#218 Chris.
July 07 2009, 10:00AM
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DanMan wrote:

the Oilers need to build through the draft, and maybe trades.

That is assuming they CAN draft. Two years ago the Oilers had THREE first round picks... and only ONE of them will be an NHL player. Any Moron would have picked either Gagner or Voracek at 6...But Plante... a first round coke machine..?.. Nash?...the dedicated academic..?.. C'MON!

Any one of us would have picked Magnus at 10 this year... But why grab Abney at 82nd overall? (He'll never play...)

L.A. picked Visnovsky in the FOURTH round...(Don't even get me started with the Detroit examples) When was the last time the Oilers found a top six forward or a top pairing D-man past the second round?

There is no point in trying to build through the draft until you have shown that you CAN build through the draft. If the Oilers only procure ONE legit player every draft they will never, ever fill out a roster... You need to secure a large group of legit prospects in a very short time if you want to build this way; otherwise guys will be marching out through free agency, at the same pace new prospects are arriving in a cycle of development that never ends. I've been watching it for twenty years. The Oilers (even after Fraiser has left) have drafted maybe two impact players every three years and no super stars. The last 100pt player the Oilers had was Doug Weight, and he came in as a result of the dismantling of a dynasty... a dynasty built on three solid years of drafting; where players taken as late as the fourth round contributed in a big way.

Guys, like Willis always tell me that I'm unrealisitc to expect MacGregor to draft four or five impact players every year... If this is true, then it is also unrealistic to expect Tambellini to build a winner through the draft.

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#219 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 10:11AM
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How I would like to see the press conference go:

Heatley: "Anyone here who would rather be in Edmonton than L.A. or New York, please raise your hand"

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Heatley: "Exactly"

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#220 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 10:16AM
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Chris. wrote:

DanMan wrote: the Oilers need to build through the draft, and maybe trades. That is assuming they CAN draft. Two years ago the Oilers had THREE first round picks… and only ONE of them will be an NHL player. Any Moron would have picked either Gagner or Voracek at 6…But Plante… a first round coke machine..?.. Nash?…the dedicated academic..?.. C’MON! Any one of us would have picked Magnus at 10 this year… But why grab Abney at 82nd overall? (He’ll never play…) L.A. picked Visnovsky in the FOURTH round…(Don’t even get me started with the Detroit examples) When was the last time the Oilers found a top six forward or a top pairing D-man past the second round? There is no point in trying to build through the draft until you have shown that you CAN build through the draft. If the Oilers only procure ONE legit player every draft they will never, ever fill out a roster… You need to secure a large group of legit prospects in a very short time if you want to build this way; otherwise guys will be marching out through free agency, at the same pace new prospects are arriving in a cycle of development that never ends. I’ve been watching it for twenty years. The Oilers (even after Fraiser has left) have drafted maybe two impact players every three years and no super stars. The last 100pt player the Oilers had was Doug Weight, and he came in as a result of the dismantling of a dynasty… a dynasty built on three solid years of drafting; where players taken as late as the fourth round contributed in a big way. Guys, like Willis always tell me that I’m unrealisitc to expect MacGregor to draft four or five impact players every year… If this is true, then it is also unrealistic to expect Tambellini to build a winner through the draft.

I like your crystal ball towards the 06 draft.

No one drafts 4-5 impact players/draft (consistantly)

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#221 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 10:25AM
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@ Chris.:

Everyone is obsessed with the Wings so lets look at their draft history.

07/08 - produced no NHL games thus far

06 - 20 games (with a different team)

05 - 29 games spread amoungst 3 guys, 0 goals

04 - One top end player: Franzen. No one else has touched NHL ice

03 - 94 NHL games between 2 guys. With the majority from a guy that Det waived before he started to produce

02 - 2 decent 2nd liners in Filpula and Huddler, a third role player that was traded along with a 1st rounder (turned into Mike Green) for Robert Lang

01 - 79 games between two guys

00 - Good second pairing Dman in Kronwall and a 4th liner in Kopecky

So this century they've drafted one first liner, a couple of 2nd liners and a second pairing dman.

No 4/5 "impact players"/draft.

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#222 DanMan
July 07 2009, 10:27AM
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Yeah we have had $#itty drafting there's no doubt about that.

Even this year I don't like the Ann Landers pick at #40.

Especially when you look at # 41 when Nashville took 6'3" 229 Zach Budish who was forecasted to go late 1st round even though he tore his ACL early this year playing football. He's a right winger who was compared to Keith Tkachuk.

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#223 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 10:30AM
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Bauer83 wrote:

Robin, Any chance you can tip your hat on which side of the trade the inside info came from?

You know better.

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#224 scorecoff hemmercules
July 07 2009, 10:31AM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski:

So you must be one of the guys that thinks Edmonton is a crap city, good for you.

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#225 Oilersordeath
July 07 2009, 10:33AM
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Ok somebody help me out here, I'm sitting here at work trying to hate the guy, but I cant! Can somebody give me an ideal percentage of the chance that Heatley will be playing with us next year? Its killin me!

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#226 Chaz
July 07 2009, 10:39AM
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@ Oilersordeath: There's a fifty percent chance he will come, but that prediction is only good 8 times out of ten.*

* Is correct 19 times out of 20 in odd numbered years.

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#227 scorecoff hemmercules
July 07 2009, 10:42AM
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@ Oilersordeath:

Just wait until he says no to us (75% chance IMO), then the hating will really start. I can see it now, Brownlee will write yet another article on Heatly and how we are so much better without him, followed by 1000 Heatly death threats from nation readers. Long summer ahead. I bet theres no decision for another month or two, or another team will offer peanuts and Murray will just do it to get it overwith.

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#228 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 10:43AM
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@ scorecoff hemmercules:

I'm just not the type to get a butthurt inferiority complex because we're not his first choice and the deal got delayed a week. I'm definitely not disagreeing with Brownlee when he says that Heatley and his handlers need to do some serious spinning, I could care less about it personally though.

I'm of the opinion that probably 30-40% of pro athletes are total douchers away from the game anyways, we just get spoiled by watching hockey as opposed to say NFL. If someone has a legitimate hockey-based reason as to why we shouldn't get Heatley, I'll lisen. If not, welcome aboard, douchebag!

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#229 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 10:50AM
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scorecoff hemmercules wrote:

@ Oilersordeath: Just wait until he says no to us (75% chance IMO), then the hating will really start. I can see it now, Brownlee will write yet another article on Heatly and how we are so much better without him, followed by 1000 Heatly death threats from nation readers. Long summer ahead. I bet theres no decision for another month or two, or another team will offer peanuts and Murray will just do it to get it overwith.

Just wait until Heatley says yes to the Oilers (75 per cent chance) because he's got no other options but then f#cks the dog here all season, does SFA, collects his pay and then asks to be moved again. I can see it now, armchair GMs like scorecoff hemmercules won't acknowledge the wood they had for this guy despite the red flags and that they were totally out to lunch and blinded by desperation. No worries, though. I will remind them.

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#230 scorecoff hemmercules
July 07 2009, 10:57AM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski:

Fair enough, I just don't get why you would like it to go down like that. I would rather him say no to us than come here and say "this place sucks but whatever, I get payed anyway and I'll be gone before you know it". Sadly, thats probably how he feels at this point.

I'm fairly confident that he won't be an oiler but Brownlee has this way of predicting things quite accurately. Hopefully something happens soon, I've almost had anough of talking about a neverwillbe.

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#231 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 10:58AM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Do you really see it going down like that? I mean, Heatley's in his prime years right now and how he performs in the remaining years of his contract are going to seriously affect how much he gets payed on his next one. Especially considering the long-term, big money contracts that are all the rage for star players now, isn't it seriously in his interest to refrain from making love to any canines this year?

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#232 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 11:00AM
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@ scorecoff hemmercules: I'd honestly prefer that he tell the truth rather than give us some jerkoff story about how he really wanted to be here all along.

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#233 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 11:03AM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

@ scorecoff hemmercules: I’m just not the type to get a butthurt inferiority complex because we’re not his first choice and the deal got delayed a week. I’m definitely not disagreeing with Brownlee when he says that Heatley and his handlers need to do some serious spinning, I could care less about it personally though. I’m of the opinion that probably 30-40% of pro athletes are total douchers away from the game anyways, we just get spoiled by watching hockey as opposed to say NFL. If someone has a legitimate hockey-based reason as to why we shouldn’t get Heatley, I’ll lisen. If not, welcome aboard, douchebag!

The only hockey related reasons I can think of are:

1. He's probably seen his best years already, and even though we'd probably get 1-2 40+ goal seasons out of him and a couple more 35 goal seasons I doubt he's a top 5 sniper the next 5 years like he was the last 5 years.

2. We'd be giving up 10+ years of Smid/Cogs for 5 years of Heatly

3. I'd be willing to bet Penner/Cogs outscore Heatly next year

4. At 7.5 he'll cost us depth and he'll have to be "the man" for at least 3-4 years.

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#234 Chris.
July 07 2009, 11:06AM
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@ Ogden Brother: Twenty years ago, in a three year span the Red Wings drafted: Mike Sillinger Bob Boughner Nick Lidstrom Sergei Federov Dallas Drake Vladimir Konstantinov Jason York Vyacheslav Kozlov Kieth Primeau Mike Knuble Chris Ozgood Jamie Pushor Martin Lapointe.

All these guys in three short years. The Red wings only had 3 first round picks: Sillinger, Primeau, and Lapointe.

This was the kind of drafting that made Detroit an elite organization (Much like Oiler dtafting from 79-81)...

Of course Detroit hasn't integrated as many picks into the lineup recently... Have you looked at that lineup? When a third rounder like Lidstrom is still contributing in a big way, twenty years later, and the team continues to contend, there is no need to integrate prospects into the roster at the same rate.

If this kind of model is no longer feasible in todays game (and that may be true) then stop TALKING about it. It is pointless to say the Oilers should build through the draft if they simply cannot find Zetterburg's and Lidstrom's in latter round anymore.

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#235 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 11:08AM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski: Do you really think money is an issue for Heatley when he'll make $37.5 million over the next five years from his current contract on top of what he's already earned to this point? Heatley can do next-to-nothing here for a season or two, move on and with a couple good years at the end of this contract still get $4-5 million a season from some team at the age of 33 to top off his retirement fund.

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#236 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 11:10AM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: Do you really see it going down like that? I mean, Heatley’s in his prime years right now and how he performs in the remaining years of his contract are going to seriously affect how much he gets payed on his next one. Especially considering the long-term, big money contracts that are all the rage for star players now, isn’t it seriously in his interest to refrain from making love to any canines this year?

He's signed for 5 more years, till the age of 33. He could dog here and still have plenty of time to redeem himself elsewhere.

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#237 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 11:12AM
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@ Robin Brownlee: I guess realistically it doesn't really make a difference if he makes $4 million a year instead of 7. I just assume he would really prefer one over the other.

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#238 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 11:12AM
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Chris. wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: Twenty years ago, in a three year span the Red Wings drafted: Mike Sillinger Bob Boughner Nick Lidstrom Sergei Federov Dallas Drake Vladimir Konstantinov Jason York Vyacheslav Kozlov Kieth Primeau Mike Knuble Chris Ozgood Jamie Pushor Martin Lapointe. All these guys in three short years. The Red wings only had 3 first round picks: Sillinger, Primeau, and Lapointe. This was the kind of drafting that made Detroit an elite organization (Much like Oiler dtafting from 79-81)… Of course Detroit hasn’t integrated as many picks into the lineup recently… Have you looked at that lineup? When a third rounder like Lidstrom is still contributing in a big way, twenty years later, and the team continues to contend, there is no need to integrate prospects into the roster at the same rate. If this kind of model is no longer feasible in todays game (and that may be true) then stop TALKING about it. It is pointless to say the Oilers should build through the draft if they simply cannot find Zetterburg’s and Lidstrom’s in latter round anymore.

That's still no 4-5 impact players/draft.

The team needs 1 top 6/top 4 in the first two rounds and 1 bottom 6/bottom 2 in the later rounds. I'd say the last 4 years have given us a good leg up to accomplish that.

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#239 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 11:13AM
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Ah crap, I was hugely mistaken over the remaining length of Heatley's contract. Sorry, nevermind.

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#240 swany
July 07 2009, 11:17AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

@ Mike Krushelnyski: Do you really think money is an issue for Heatley when he’ll make $37.5 million over the next five years from his current contract on top of what he’s already earned to this point? Heatley can do next-to-nothing here for a season or two, move on and with a couple good years at the end of this contract still get $4-5 million a season from some team at the age of 33 to top off his retirement fund.

With Hemmer passing the puck Heatley could get 50 or more. With all do respect but I think Hemmer is a better passer than Spezza and will create more space for Heatley's one timer, Like Kepreos said Edmonton is the ideal location for Heatley.

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#241 scorecoff hemmercules
July 07 2009, 11:18AM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Haha, when did I say I had wood for Heatly??? I think he's a great offensive forward but that goes without saying. I'm of the group thats on the fence over this whole thing. Sure there are red flags, you would have to be an idiot not to see them (as pointed out but LA's GM), but you can't instantly assume that he "f#cks the dog here all season, does SFA, collects his pay and then asks to be moved again". If he ended up here he may have a great season, but probably no one will ever know that. Are we desperate for a guy like Heatly, no. Could we use a player of his talent, yes.

I'm at the point where I would rather keep the kids (because I like all three of those guys) but I'm not going to burn my oiler jerseys if we get Heatly. I just want the Oil to play some playoffs games next season like every other oiler fan.

Brownlee wrote: "You know my thoughts on Heatley, so there’s no need to regurgitate them yet again" & "No worries, though. I will remind them."

Which is it?? lol. I think you like this Heatly situation more than you let on.

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#242 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 11:22AM
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scorecoff hemmercules wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: Haha, when did I say I had wood for Heatly??? I think he’s a great offensive forward but that goes without saying. I’m of the group thats on the fence over this whole thing. Sure there are red flags, you would have to be an idiot not to see them (as pointed out but LA’s GM), but you can’t instantly assume that he “f#cks the dog here all season, does SFA, collects his pay and then asks to be moved again”. If he ended up here he may have a great season, but probably no one will ever know that. Are we desperate for a guy like Heatly, no. Could we use a player of his talent, yes. I’m at the point where I would rather keep the kids (because I like all three of those guys) but I’m not going to burn my oiler jerseys if we get Heatly. I just want the Oil to play some playoffs games next season like every other oiler fan. Brownlee wrote: “You know my thoughts on Heatley, so there’s no need to regurgitate them yet again” & “No worries, though. I will remind them.” Which is it?? lol. I think you like this Heatly situation more than you let on.

Unfortunatly though, I think managment/ownership is desperate to get a guy like Heatly.

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#243 Word
July 07 2009, 11:23AM
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There's too many posts for me to read again. Is the Penner Cogs Smid offer technically on the table still?

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#244 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 11:26AM
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I still think everyone is overlooking the fact (and it is a fact) that Moreau's work ethic and dedication will cause Heatley's heart to grow 3 sizes and stir up tearful memories of when he was 6 years old and he played on the backyard rink purely for the love of the game.

Those factors add up to a projection of 57 goals with a +/- 5% margin of Shawn Horcoff.

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#245 scorecoff hemmercules
July 07 2009, 11:26AM
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@ Word:

Only if the NHL lets us pay the 4 million bonus, which is kinda up in the air right now. If we can't pay that to them then Murray says we have to raise the offer. Not sure what else we would have to offer but they can't really take too many more contracts at this point, maybe a draft pick or 2???

@ Ogden Brother:

I don't deny that, thay have been for years now. Those were just my opinions.

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#246 Word
July 07 2009, 11:40AM
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Murray needs to add some consistency to his ineptitude and disclose, every other offer he has on the baord for Heatley.

I get the impression we'd still be front-runner with a Penner Staois Nilsson offer.

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#247 scorecoff hemmercules
July 07 2009, 11:47AM
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@ Word:

I think the Rangers were the only other team with a decent offer and it wasn't great. I'm not sure if the Sharks were ever in the running but I heard a few rumors about them?? Most teams that would be after a guy like Heatly have already signed someone at this point. As far as I can tell, the trade we had in place would still work out well because they have to shed about 2 mil to get under the cap now after signing Kovalev. It's still all on Heatly though, it seems as if its either the Senators or us now. Who does he want to play for the least right now?

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#248 SkinnyD
July 07 2009, 11:52AM
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Seriously kids...Edmonton's got 'short-man' syndrome, and this situation has done nothing to help that. It's a great place to live, we all know that, so why are y'all so worked up? If I had a chance to work in NYC for a few years, you can bet your life I'd do it. Why shouldn't the man take an extra week to see what happens? An awful lot of growing up needing to be done by more than a few of us.

Has anyone read this blog by Tencer? It's the most balanced thing I've read on the topic, and good on Dan for writing it. ESPECIALLY the Muckler quote (albeit a loose one).

http://oilers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=433325

I say Dany's just the ass we need that can play some hockey.

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#249 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 11:53AM
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scorecoff hemmercules wrote:

@ Word: I think the Rangers were the only other team with a decent offer and it wasn’t great. I’m not sure if the Sharks were ever in the running but I heard a few rumors about them?? Most teams that would be after a guy like Heatly have already signed someone at this point. As far as I can tell, the trade we had in place would still work out well because they have to shed about 2 mil to get under the cap now after signing Kovalev. It’s still all on Heatly though, it seems as if its either the Senators or us now. Who does he want to play for the least right now?

God I hope they lower the offer, no way we should have to give up that much if no one else is bidding.

@ Robin: Have you heard anything about what other teams are still interested/what the quality of their offers is?

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#250 dyckster
July 07 2009, 12:12PM
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Something along this line may have been stated before (up front apologies to the person(s) I've repeated), but are we not putting enough faith in what Oiler's Mgmt is doing with respect to this situation? Everyone (including myself at times) is so busy questioning Tambo, KLowe, and anyone else we can think of for appearing too desperate with respect to acquiring the services of Mr. Heatley. Is there not a very good possibility the Oiler braintrusts have enough information in their back pocket (things Heatley may have said to them in Kelowna for instance) to continue pursuing the matter? What we see as groveling may very well not be that at all.

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