Limbo: spin to come?

Robin Brownlee
July 06 2009 03:43PM

heatleys-choice

By keeping quiet and not saying "no" to the Edmonton Oilers, Dany Heatley has left himself an out should he run out of options and end up having to shake hands with GM Steve Tambellini.

Having asked the Ottawa Senators for a trade, only to refuse to waive his no-movement clause in subsequent days after Tambellini and Ottawa GM Bryan Murray put together a package that would've shipped Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano and Ladislav Smid to the Sens, Heatley's taken his fair share of abuse.

Heatley did, after all, rebuff Tambellini and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe when they jetted to Kelowna to meet with him. That inflamed Oilers fans and caused more than a few commentators, myself included, to suggest it's for the best. I stand by that.

But what Heatley hasn't done through any of this is unequivocally say, "No" to the Oilers, to the trade, to the city. He hasn't made any firm decision and has avoided any statement on the situation.

That's his out. Should Heatley realize he has no other options, and with a return to Ottawa not in the cards now that Alexei Kovalev has been signed by the Senators, I suspect we'll be reminded of that if, in the next, say, 48 hours, he reluctantly gives Tambellini's deal his blessing.

The spin will begin.

Let me sleep on it

I can envision the Heatley news conference now...

TAMBELLINI: "We're very happy to announce we've acquired Dany Heatley from the Ottawa Senators. Dany is a great player and his resume both in the NHL and international play is stellar. This wasn't an easy deal to get done, but trades of this magnitude take time. We're very happy."

HEATLEY: "I'm extremely happy to be a member of the Edmonton Oilers. This is a storied franchise with a proud and successful history and I can't say how thrilled I am to be a part of it."

REPORTER: "Dany, what took so damn long?"

HEATLEY: "Decisions of this scope take a lot of thought. I didn't want to rush into anything. I wanted to be sure. It wasn't so much looking at other options as it was a matter of making sure Edmonton would be right for me and I'd be right for Edmonton. Remember, I never said no to Mr. Tambellini, I just didn't say yes."

REPORTER: "So you weren't waiting for a trade offer from the New York Rangers or the Los Angeles Kings?"

HEATLEY: "Those are great cities and great franchises as well, but, in the end, Edmonton was the best option. I'm very happy to be an Oiler."

Moving on

You know my thoughts on Heatley, so there's no need to regurgitate them yet again. The more I think about the situation, especially with the signing of Kovalev, the more I can see it unfolding this way.

I don't see other options for Heatley, at least not options that will be acceptable to Murray. That leaves me with the sneaking suspicion we could very well see Heatley bite his lip and polish his spin in preparation for an announcement this deal is done.

Those who have wanted Heatley all along will rejoice. Those who've cast a wary glance Heatley's way since the trade was leaked will continue to give him the stink eye. Those who jumped on the "it's a bad idea" bandwagon later on? Who knows what side of the fence they'll come down on.

Say what you want about Heatley, he isn't stupid. While actions should speak louder than words, his silence has left him an out, and the benefit of the doubt, with the people who want him here.

"I'm happy to be an Oiler..."

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#251 Chris.
July 07 2009, 12:17PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

at’s still no 4-5 impact players/draft.

I think you are getting hung up on the word impact. Most of the players on that list played more than 500 games. Most of those players were either top six forwards or top pairing D-men during the height of thier careers... this is what I mean by impact.

What does rebuilding through the draft mean? Should the Oilers trade away every valuable asset they have to aquire a slew of first and second round picks over the next three seasons? Then should they tank it to ensure our first round picks are in the top five? Then wait another three to five years for these guys to develop so we can contend for three to five years starting the 2016-2017 season? Is that what people want? I'm looking at what is in the system right now... and this is what it would take to "build through the draft" in the pure sence.

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#252 Heatly
July 07 2009, 12:28PM
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@ I'm a Scientist!:

Haha...I signed in with the name when I thought it was 110% confirmed : )

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#253 hamburgler
July 07 2009, 12:43PM
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I like that the Oil are looking at getting impact players on the team. One common theme of the playoff teams that have success is a true elite player (or several of them). It ended up sending the franchise backwards for a bit, but the Pronger trade (even with all the crap afterwards) was worth it.

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#254 Chris.
July 07 2009, 12:52PM
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Further to my thoughts; the last time the Oilers delt assets to aquire first round picks, they spent those picks on Plante, and Nash... based on that, would you be happy if Visnovsky was delt for picks?

I agree that sending away first, second, and third round picks for Penner was a mistake. Committing to keeping your picks,and making the best of them is definately the best course of action... but that doesn't necessarily mean you are committing to build through the draft; it means that the draft is just another important aspect of total team development. It's time for the Oilers to find a goal scorer...They need one, and the simple fact is, they haven't drafted one since the eighties.

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#255 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 01:04PM
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Chris. wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: at’s still no 4-5 impact players/draft. I think you are getting hung up on the word impact. Most of the players on that list played more than 500 games. Most of those players were either top six forwards or top pairing D-men during the height of thier careers… this is what I mean by impact. What does rebuilding through the draft mean? Should the Oilers trade away every valuable asset they have to aquire a slew of first and second round picks over the next three seasons? Then should they tank it to ensure our first round picks are in the top five? Then wait another three to five years for these guys to develop so we can contend for three to five years starting the 2016-2017 season? Is that what people want? I’m looking at what is in the system right now… and this is what it would take to “build through the draft” in the pure sence.

My beef is that you took a three year snap shot as a way to prove we should be hitting those success levels consistantly, it just doesn't work that way.

Their are a handful that want the team to "blow it up" again, but I think what most people are talking about with the "build through the draft" is not trading away key pieces of youth for the quick fix (which the Heatly trade would be) We've got the pieces starting to come together for a "built through the draft" team (and some young guys added early in their career). Gagner/Cogliano/O'sully are all (almost) sure shot top 6'ers, we hit the jackpot with the MPS pick at 10 (figured we'd have to move some serious other assets to get a stab at him). Do we want to sacrifice a chunk of that to go from an 8th place team(for the next 2-3 years) to move up to a 5th place team. Sacrificing the potential high end "Det style" team 4-5 years from now.

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#256 Bob Cob
July 07 2009, 01:19PM
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Robin, I have a question, if Heatley does come here, plays one year and wants out would Tambellini have to work around the no movement clause or does the NMC just apply to Ottawa? If that is the case than I see it as a win win situation, we got a year out of him, and we could pick where he goes, if thats not the case though than it is still 50/50 as to whether or not I want him in Edmonton.

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#257 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 01:31PM
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@ Bob Cob: My understanding is the NKMC becomes negotiable with any team if he's traded by Ottawa. In other words, Tambellini and Barry/McAlpine can keep it or write it out if he becomes an Oiler -- I'm sure Dany would inist on keeping it.

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#258 Bob Cob
July 07 2009, 01:39PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Thanks for clarifying that, now I hope he stays put. I like the offensive impact Heatley would have on the team, but I like Cogliano too much to see him moved even though he wont put up close to the same numbers as Heatley. Coglino has been undervalued in Edmonton. I dont know what you think but I could see Cogs scoring 25-35 goals a year.

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#259 Mike Krushelnyski
July 07 2009, 01:45PM
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Bob Cob wrote:

Coglino has been undervalued in Edmonton. I dont know what you think but I could see Cogs scoring 25-35 goals a year.

Hey I looked up paradox on dictionary.com and it linked directly to this post! Neat!

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#260 Chris.
July 07 2009, 02:01PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

My beef is that you took a three year snap shot as a way to prove we should be hitting those success levels consistantly, it just doesn’t work that way.

My point was the Oiler dynasty was built primarily through three years of high impact drafting.(1979-1981) Similarly, Detroit climbed out of mediocrity by drafting really well between 1989-1991. I'm not expecting the Oilers to draft every single BPA, every single year... I'm saying they need to string together three really good draft years in a row... something they haven't accomplished since the eighties. Do you have faith in the current staff to build a contender through the draft? I don't.

Ogden Brother wrote:

Their are a handful that want the team to “blow it up” again, but I think what most people are talking about with the “build through the draft” is not trading away key pieces of youth for the quick fix (which the Heatly trade would be) We’ve got the pieces starting to come together for a “built through the draft” team (and some young guys added early in their career). Gagner/Cogliano/O’sully are all (almost) sure shot top 6′ers, we hit the jackpot with the MPS pick at 10 (figured we’d have to move some serious other assets to get a stab at him). Do we want to sacrifice a chunk of that to go from an 8th place team(for the next 2-3 years) to move up to a 5th place team. Sacrificing the potential high end “Det style” team 4-5 years from now.

We drafted O'Sullivan?

Yes, Gagner and Cogliano are sure-fire top sixers but they will not both be Oilers in five years time. (Even if Cogs isn't moved for Heatley) Besides, are Cogliano and Gagner a better tandem than Kane and Toews? Crosby and Malkin? Ovechkin and Semin? Why build around guys who won't win you the cup? IMO, Unless you load up on top five picks, or hit a lucky streak like Detroit in the early nineties, you cannot win a cup by building through the draft...

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#261 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 02:28PM
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"Last week, Citizen writer Bruce Deachman donned a Dany Heatley sweater and walked around town to see how people would react."

lol!

hxxp://www.ottawacitizen.com/Sports/degrees+Heatley+Sens+fans/1765727/story.html

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#262 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 02:32PM
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Chris. wrote:

We drafted O’Sullivan?

I said:

"and some young guys added early in their career"

To cover guys like O'sully/Smid/Grebs/Gilbert

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#263 Ogden Brother
July 07 2009, 02:37PM
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Chris. wrote:

I’m saying they need to string together three really good draft years in a row… something they haven’t accomplished since the eighties. Do you have faith in the current staff to build a contender through the draft? I don’t. blockquote> I think we already have. Gagner should be a top 8-15 center Cogs should be a solid 2 way 25 goal 60 point guy I'm hoping Eberle is a Sykora type complementary shooter 20 - 25 goal 50 point guy (I'd give him a 50% chance of panning out) We hit the jackpot on MPS, I could see him as a 6-10 LW in the leauge. (I'd give him an 80% chance of panning out) That's three/four very strong drafts. That's three very
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#264 Harrison
July 07 2009, 02:59PM
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I don't want Heatley in Edmonton at any cost. I could care less if all the Heatley lovers say he will score 40 or more here. His production will not be worth the trouble he will bring.

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#265 Harrison
July 07 2009, 03:02PM
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@ dyckster: speak for yourself not others.

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#266 Jason
July 07 2009, 03:06PM
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Honestly im just ready for this to be over one way or another.

I want to know if we are going to have to watch Horcoff whiff on Hemmers feeds for another year or finally have someone put them in the net!

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#267 dyckster
July 07 2009, 03:28PM
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Harrison wrote:

@ dyckster: speak for yourself not others.

Hey A-Hole, I mean Harrison, so we're not allowed to post an opinion anymore?

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#268 Chris.
July 07 2009, 03:41PM
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Lets look at ten years of drafting in our own division. (credit HockeyDB.com)

If GM's had to assemble their top six forwards, top four D's and starting goalies exclusively out of players they drafted the first time round the teams would look something like this:

(Please note there is room for argument... I arranged players according to the wing, or position they were initially drafted in... meaning for example I didn't convert Cogs to a winger. This will tick some of you off... but the other teams have been assembled with a similar disadvantage. I lent the most weight to games played, and point production, though potential recieved some consideration... ie, Duchene) I didn't spend hours, carefully assembling lines... I just quickly ran through the draft records and threw together lines based on draft depth at each position.)

Calgary:

Saprykin-Stoll-Kobasew Moen-Lombardi-Moss

Phaneuf-Pardy Foster-Dupont

Anderson.

Colorado:

Wolski-Stastny-Svatos Radivojevik-Duchene-Verbata

Liles-Gilbert Saur-Finger

Budjai

Edmonton:

Winchester-Comrie-Hemsky Salmelanin-Gagner-Stortini

Semenov-Green Roy-Peckham

Markanen

Minnesota:

O'Sullivan-Koivu-Gaborik Veilleux-Bouchard-Clutterbuck

Burns-Schultz Reitz-Sekeres

Harding

Vancouver:

Sedin-Sedin-Brown Raymond-Umberger-Hansen

Edler-Bieksa Bourdon-Skinner

Schneider

*Feel free to pick this apart. I think everyone should take a good hard look at the draft choices the Oilers have made. Piles of coke machines, and tiny skilled centermen. Other than Hemsky, when did they draft an effective winger?*

It's my contention that Oiler drafting has been middle of the pack in our own division over the last ten years... How are we to draft our way to Stanley Cup glory?

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#269 Steve Thomas
July 07 2009, 04:04PM
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Jason wrote:

Honestly im just ready for this to be over one way or another. I want to know if we are going to have to watch Horcoff whiff on Hemmers feeds for another year or finally have someone put them in the net!

Best comment on this site in weeks....apart from noone wanting noscoreoff its too bad we couldn't dump him and his huge ego and contract for a bag of pucks and a couple rexall warm draught beers!!

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#270 The Towel Boy
July 07 2009, 04:05PM
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Harrison wrote:

I don’t want Heatley in Edmonton at any cost. I could care less if all the Heatley lovers say he will score 40 or more here. His production will not be worth the trouble he will bring.

You're totally entitled to your own opinion. But how to you honestly know he will be trouble? I keep hearing this all over the interwebs, but I'm not sure where it's coming from.

I mean...yeah...he asked for a trade. Does that make him the spawn of Satan? We don't know the real reason why he wants out. We know what the media has been told. He said "no" to Edmonton twice...does this make him evil? Do we even know he said "NO"? Maybe he just wants time to think about it. It's his call. We can all speculate about the guy's character until we're blue in the face. But is that how we are judging his character? Speculation?

We can make guesses that he's a problem child and that he's spoiled. We only know what we hear via rumours and what the media people are told. With that, how can we honestly say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he's going to be trouble. Do you know him personally? Do you have 1st hand knowledge that he was a disruptive force in the dressing room in Ottawa?

The only thing about Heatley that I can accurately stand behind as true is that he is a pure goal scorer and his stats back that up...no speculation required. Until I hear him step up to a mic and dis the City of Edmonton or the Oilers...I'm ok with bringing him in based on his ability to score sweet effing goals from just about anywhere on the ice.

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#271 hamburgler
July 07 2009, 04:57PM
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@ The Towel Boy: exactly....make the Safeway score and win people cry.

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#272 Chris
July 07 2009, 05:25PM
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@ The Heatley Detractors:

Do any of you actually belive that Cogliano or Penner will score the same amount of goals as Heatley over the next five? Are any of you seriously concerned that there wont be any cap room for Magnus, or other key prospects over the next few years thanks to Heatley's cap hit? How do you know Heatley will be any more of a cancer in the room than say, Visnovsky who also wouldn't have waived his NMC to play in Edmonton had it kicked in? Chill out people...

The only thing that scares me is that San Jose will jump out of nowhere and grab Heater before October. The Oilers have piles of middling players under contract, but can only dress twelve forwards per game... Wouldn't it be nice if one of those twelve, was a guy who outscored all other Canadian born players since the lockout? If Heatley isn't a good enough player, person, or roster fit: Who is?

Who else do you think Tambellini can aquire for Penner, Smid, and Cogliano? Take a look at all the first line players on the various 2006 Olympic rosters and tell me who amoung them can be had for fourth line winger making 4.25 million, a bottom pairing defenceman, and a smallish third line center who can't win a draw? Remember, this alternate player must be young, have a track record of staying healthy, and be under contract for another four or five years... Any ideas?...

Didn't think so.

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#273 Chris
July 07 2009, 05:44PM
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Furthermore, how is Tambellini's strategy harming Edmonton's image amoungst the players? Being patient and respectful with Heatley probably wins us more cred with the loyal brothers of the NHLPA than Hextall's tact...

Tambellini/Katz are again showing the hockey world that Edmonton is determined to land a big player. The Oilers are trying to improve, and improve quickly... How can that be seen negatively by the players? Who will be laughing if Tambellini's patience pays off, and Heatley helps the Oilers secure the last playoff spot just ahead of Los Angeles who bet the farm on an aging left winger with a knee brace... Will Hextall feel like trash talking Heatley then?

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#274 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 05:50PM
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@ Chris: Clearly, there's no need for the deal to be done to get the spin started. Now, you can read Visnovsky's mind? Where did you get that bit of information? He's happy here and is anything but a cancer in the dressing room. I'll give you this much -- the only thing that makes this trade remotely palatable is the chance to dump PDP and the $21.25 million invested in him. I can't see any other team taking that on.

The downside, even if you choose to ignore it, is that if Heatley doesn't produce 40-50 goals, the Oilers are stiffer than stiff. He brings nothing else to the table. If he sulks and becomes a problem, the Oilers are stuck. He's got a track record of doing that. If you doubt it, take a closer look at Ron Hextall's comments. Heatley pissed and moaned to no end while he was in Atlanta as well when he didn't like how he was being coached. The Thrashers tolerated that because without him and Kovalchuk, they had nothing to sell, no reason to open the arena doors. Now, he doesn't like Cory Clouston. Trade me. And those of us who don't believe the Oilers have to make a big splash and throw $6 million-or-more at some big name so management can say, "Look what we've done," don't have to name another marquee player who can be had for Penner, Cogliano and Smid. That proves nothing. Who says one big name is the answer? If the big name is the right name, sure. If not, back-off and resist the urge to sell the big splash. Is Heatley the right guy? You think so. I think not.

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#275 buck
July 07 2009, 05:55PM
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A little off topic: The Glory Years were built essentially from scratch, the exception being the protection of Wayne Gretzky, one of the top three players ever. A tremendous amount of luck drafting, shrewd trades for filler, add 5 development years or so and you had the best club team that ever was. Flash forward to today: A hodge podge, a club without an identity, hoping to make a few extra bucks by making the playoffs. I don't know of anyone in the sphere thinking "boy, give us 2-3 years of development and happy days are here again."

Oiler Hockey? The only way it 'might,' happen is if management burns it down and starts over. Screw Heatly, trade some of the veterans for youth and draft choices, suffer for a few years, and watch out for the Oilers.

Would the fans buy it? My guess is that they would, perhaps grumbling all the way. BUT! The way they're going about it leads nowhere, and three years from now I'll be writing the same post.

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#276 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 06:12PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: hxxp://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242089 Quoting Article on Vis:

His main concern about the move involves his fiancee, who is expecting their first child.

"I told Kevin that for family, it's a better life in L.A., but for hockey, it's a better life in Edmonton," he said, but quickly diffused fears that he may ask out after one season.

"It's OK - she's strong and she helps me," he said. "If I'm happy, she'll be happy."

What he wants is to make the playoffs after five early summers in Los Angeles.

"I'm very happy to play for Edmonton," he said. "In Canada, hockey is the No. 1 sport, just like in Slovakia.

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Sounds like the Spin Article you wrote for what Heatley is going to say. I believe there were a few more questionable comments too.

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#277 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 06:14PM
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hxxp://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=250684

here is another

At the time, Lubomir Visnovsky was not too excited over the trade that landed him with the Oilers but since then he's grown fond of his new team and new city.

"I was so mad because I signed a big deal with the Kings, I wanted to stay there," Visnovsky told TSN. "I felt like they were my hometown, it was a big surprise for me."

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#278 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 06:20PM
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Side note: hxxp://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/2009/07/07/10055626.html

Slideshow- Anyone else feel it looks like Sam Gagner saw the Timmys commercial with the adult hockey player getting the puck stolen by the group of kids and say "That aint happening to me!"?

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#279 Chris
July 07 2009, 06:22PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

I'm speaking more to the people who are say F U to Heatley simply because thier feelings are hurt.

Yes, Visnovsky may be happy here. I base my comment on Visnovsky's first (openly honest)response to being traded... he sure didn't sound like a guy who would have waived a NMC to come to Edmonton...I brought up Visnovsky as an example because he clearly was surprised to be traded; and has been anything but a cancer in the room. He just comes to the rink and plays. If Heatley does decide to come here, there is no reason to believe that he will sulk and underperform; specially when you consider that this is an Olympic year. As for the cap hit: I can think of many, many contracts that are worse... (Heatley stacks up nice to Briere, Gomez, Smyth, and on and on...)

I gather you are just generally against the strategy of landing the "big fish". I get it. Personally, I feel the Oilers need to win now. It's been way to long since this town had a superstar and young fans need someone to rally behind, or we'll lose an entire generation. (My kids are Penguin fans) Besides: Visnovsky, Souray, Horcoff, and Khabibulin aren't getting any younger. A team led by Heatley may not win the cup, but could prove to be a nice distraction while the groundwork is being laid in places like Oklahoma for the longterm good of the franchise.

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#280 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 07:02PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Sounds like the Spin Article you wrote for what Heatley is going to say. I believe there were a few more questionable comments too.

Do you think you are telling me something I don't know? Really. Do you? Visnovsky's well-documented concern at the time of the trade was about the health of his fiancee and unborn baby. How does that have any merit when tenuously tied to circumstances now by a ridiculous question like "How would do we know he'll be any more of a cancer than Visnovsky?" Visnovsky has not said a peep, on the record or off, indicating any doubts about being here since getting over the initial news of the trade and the circumstances of the timing of the news. Not quite the same as Heatley declaring "I want a trade" because the coach isn't playing me the way I wanted to be played, even if the team improved under his strategy.

Chris wrote:

I’m speaking more to the people who are say F U to Heatley simply because thier feelings are hurt.

Agreed. I don't like it that Heatley has dragged his feet on this, but that's no reason for a hockey team or fans to turn their backs on a player who can be a difference-maker. My misgivings about Heatley have nothing to do with that and pre-date any talk he could end up here. Like I said, I don't see the need to sell the big splash, but if it's there and it's the right player and not just a marquee name with a sketchy history, then spend to the cap to get him and get after it. I question whether Heatley is the right player.

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#281 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 07:44PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: nah, Im just showing evidence that it is unlikely that Visnovsky would have waived his NMC 1 week later. Like you were asking for. Visnovsky has not been a cancer

Robin Brownlee wrote:

Visnovsky has not said a peep, on the record or off, indicating any doubts about being here since getting over the initial news of the trade and the circumstances of the timing of the news. Not quite the same as Heatley declaring “I want a trade” because the coach isn’t playing me the way I wanted to be played, even if the team improved under his strategy.

You are right, they are completely different, one happens before a trade, one happens after. I doubt Heatley will come in bashing the Oilers or will state discontent for at least 2 years. Its not like he went ATL->OTT and 1 year later has an issue, he was there long enough to make an informed decision on his life. Until he comes out and states "This is Cloustons fault and I reject Edmonton" everything else is speculation.

I can see your point questioning if Heatley is the right player, but its trumped by the fact he is the available player. If any other marquee name is available that is great in the room that we could afford and land via trade, I'd love to hear his name. Or any prospects to having a star player here within 3 years. We have Hemsky for only so long at this cap hit, give him an appealing LW to play with for a few years, see where he stacks up - and hopefully keep him when the contract is up. Hemsky doesnt play D, Hemsky isnt a leader in our dressing room. He still gets points. Not every player has the character of Adam Oates - and most star players are quite the opposite in todays NHL.

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#282 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 07:49PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Do you think you are telling me something I don’t know? Really. Do you?

And buddy, you really becoming a prick lately. Seemingly since Gregor got ripped you upped the ante.

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#283 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 09:00PM
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@ Hemmertime: Answer the question, smart guy. And don't call me a prick or you're done here. Capiche?

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#284 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 09:16PM
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Okay, what is acceptable, jerk? Antagonistic? I guess rude would be the socially acceptable way. Personally the word prick isn't that insulting to me, if you take huge offense I apologize, threatening a ban from ON seems a little excessive. I think "Do you think you are telling me something I don’t know? Really. Do you?" comes off as more rude than being called a prick. Maybe that's just due to the fact I've been called it alot though.

If you want an answer, no, you likely knew that. But if you're asking a question on where people got the idea Visnovsky wouldnt waive his NMC make damn sure we know it's rhetorical before you jump on people for answering it. Would you like every line written in your articles to be responded to "Do you think you're telling me something I don't know?". There are informative lines, new information, and stuff we may already know in every article.

Now, you can read Visnovsky’s mind? Where did you get that bit of information?

So I was backing up that bit of information in links from reputable sources that yes, I agree Visnovsky wouldn't have waived his NMC had the deal happened a week later. Do you? His reasons may have been family/kid/wife/don't care. Either way, it was a player unhappy to be traded here. He likely would have been unhappy to be traded anywhere granted, but still proof from his mouth he didnt want the trade - and then played successfully the next season.

If you choose to ban me for using language that the filter doesn't even block feel free. I can proxy server the site anyway so I'll get my ON fix and get to read yours and Gregors articles anyway so I'll live. If you choose to ban me for backing up my opinions with links, and pointing out that you are rude to me prior to me saying anything that could be construed as insulting to you - well then it would sour my opinion of ON, that is something 13 year old boys do on forums.

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#285 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 09:27PM
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Oh and my name is Derek Baker... so I dont get called out for fake name. Although I think we agreed Alias is better word

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#286 Robin Brownlee
July 07 2009, 09:28PM
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@ Hemmertime: So, you understand?

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#287 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 09:32PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Dont get what you mean. Understand what?

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#288 Hemmertime
July 07 2009, 09:33PM
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ooooh about calling you a prick. I guess... your highness. =)

I answered your question that no, I dont think I was giving you a revelation.

Do you think 1 week later Visnovsky would have waived his NMC?

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