Oilers Sign RFA's Smid, Brule and Stone

Jonathan Willis
August 12 2009 11:15AM

The Edmonton Oilers have announced the signing of restricted free agents Ladislav Smid, Gilbert Brule, and Ryan Stone.

The key player here is obviously Ladislav Smid.  He's spent his entire NHL career in Edmonton, and their have been rumours that he has requested a trade in the past, but he sounded fairly happy today:

“This is great news for me.  I really enjoy playing for the Oilers. I feel my game is improving every year and I can’t wait to get started again this fall.”

It's a two-year contract, and dollar figures are presently unavailable.  Yesterday, Jim Matheson suggested that Smid and Brule combined would be around 2.5 million, so I'd guess Smid's deal is in the 1.5-1.6 MM range.  If so, it isn't exactly a bargain, but it isn't a bad bet either for a maturing physical defenseman.

Gilbert Brule also signed, and the surprise is that it's a two-way deal (evidently the Oilers are convinced he can be sent down without clearing waivers).  It's only for a single year, and should give Brule a chance to prove if he belongs in the lineup or not.  I'd guess he'll earn between 800K and 1MM (based on Matheson's article yesterday) and I hope it's toward the lower end of that range.

Lastly, Ryan Stone has signed.  Stone came over from Pittsburgh in the Matheiu Garon trade last year, and spent all of his time after the trade with Springfield.  He's a darkhorse candidate for a roster spot, but the smart money says he's a top-six AHL forward this coming season.  He's got size, a willingness to use it,  and some scoring ability.  Today's signings leave Rob Schremp as the last of the Oilers' restricted free agents.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#101 Ogden Brother
August 12 2009, 04:31PM
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Chris. wrote:

Pisani scored fourteen friggen goals in the 06 run. His contract will come off the books before the cap rolls back. Sick, injured, and bounced around: Pisani has been a better player than most during a difficult strech in Oiler history. Moreau will be an important player under Quinn; if he can stay healthy. Staios is done. Of the guys who were there in 06: Hemsky is in for the biggest shock under Quinn. I don’t think Hemsky is going to like the “new accountability”.

I can honestly see him asking for a trade in the next 24 months.

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#102 King Mob
August 12 2009, 04:32PM
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Chris. wrote:

IMO, for the right return: everyone/anyone is on the block. Of the three players you submitted for discussion though: Staios is in the steepest decline, and plays a position where the Oilers have organizational depth. Just my twenty cents.

give me those twenty cents or I'll beat your cab driving ass into next week.

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#103 Chris.
August 12 2009, 04:35PM
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rindog wrote:

My main complaint is that they have been put into a leadership role and it could prove difficult to remove them from from that role while keeping them on the roster.

Leadership by default.

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#104 Jonathan Willis
August 12 2009, 04:35PM
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@ rindog:

QualTeam shows the relative strengths of the defensemen those four guys were playing with.

But Pettinger and Betts haven't ever shown they can do more than be fourth-liners, on any of their teams.

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#105 Jonathan Willis
August 12 2009, 04:36PM
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Additionally: Is there any evidence Moreau/Pisani are poor leaders?

I've heard quotes of Moreau's that make me think twice, but they aren't definitive, and I haven't heard anything to make me think that about Pisani.

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#106 Lofty
August 12 2009, 04:42PM
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If defence wins championships then the oilers are gonna win the division...

too bad that saying is complete bull

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#107 Chris.
August 12 2009, 04:48PM
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In his darkest hours as head coach... knowing he faced the axe should his team miss the playoffs: MacT had the nerve to ask Hemmer to back check, and offer closer puck support to his teammates in the defensive zone...

...and Hemmer cried to the media about how they were trying to turn him into a "checker"... and stopped contributing on ANY level.

Granndpa Quinn MUST have been talking about Hemmer when he said the first line center(?) had all the talent in the world but plays like the "Lone Ranger"...

Hemsky has all world talent. Hemsky will turn the puck over lots, because he handles the puck lots and needs some creative license. I get it. But Quinn will not be dazzled by the dangle, and won't give Hemmer the free pass he seems to feel entitled to.

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#108 Jonathan Willis
August 12 2009, 04:56PM
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Lofty wrote:

If defence wins championships then the oilers are gonna win the division… too bad that saying is complete bull

Six teams won their division last year. Here's how they ranked in goals against: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 18th, 19th.

Six teams finished at the bottom of their divisions last year. Here's how they ranked in goals against: 30th, 28th, 27th, 26th, 13th and 12th.

So there are exceptions, but shockingly, as a rule: bad teams get scored on, and good teams don't.

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#109 Jonathan Willis
August 12 2009, 04:58PM
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@ Lofty:

Or to put it more accurately: Goal-differential wins championships.

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#110 Tull
August 12 2009, 04:59PM
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@ JW

If there was actual evidence that Moreau and Staois were poor leaders they'd be stripped of their titles and tossed.

I judge them based on what they do on the ice. Moreau goes all out - but all I remember from him last year was taking dumb costly penalties at crucial points in the game. Similarly, Staois battled hard, but just doesn't have it. It's similar to Smith's last days here - the guy went all out every shift, but it was clearly evident he was a step too slow.

When a guys time is up, you can just feel it. Staois had a good 7 seasons here, Moreau a good 10. I think we've seen everything they have to offer now - and based on that fact alone - it's time to say goodbye.

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#111 Mikey
August 12 2009, 05:01PM
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Chris. wrote:

But Quinn will not be dazzled by the dangle, and won’t give Hemmer the free pass he seems to feel entitled to

What makes you say that?

You don't think that being the most consistent offensive threat night in and night out buys you a little freedom from the coach? I sure do.

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#112 rindog
August 12 2009, 05:05PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Additionally: Is there any evidence Moreau/Pisani are poor leaders? I’ve heard quotes of Moreau’s that make me think twice, but they aren’t definitive, and I haven’t heard anything to make me think that about Pisani.

It's a rough day for us today? We can't agree on anything...

Again I can only speak of things that I see on the ice and the odd interview comment that is made public (which I don't take much stock in).

What I can tell you is that having played the game I understand the importance of having your best players be your leaders. It's the same reason we had Gregor wearing a letter back in junior...LOL!

How is our team supposed to look at Staios (and his game) and believe that he is going ot lead them to success? The same goes for Moreau and Pisani.

I don't mind Pisani, but at $2.5 million - I think we could find much better use for the money. There is nothing wrong with his play overall, but he doesn't exactly do much of anything? To me, he is the definition of a "tweener" that has been given far to big of a leadership role on our team.

It all comes back to the identity issue. People keep saying that the Oilers do not have an identity and I (amongst others) keep insisting that the coach and the core players on our team are responsible for that identity.

For too many years we have had the Buchbergers, Smiths and Moreaus leading our hockey team. We need to give that responsibility to our best players.

Getting rid of 1,2 or 3 of the players that we are talking about shouldn't hurt our identity much? It might even improve it?

As far having the veteran presence - I am all for it. We still have plenty of veteran leaders on our roster (that are more influencial on the ice). I am all for adding additional veterans to your roster (at a cheaper price) once you have the youth and skill in place.

If you are relying on your role players to define your team - you will more likely than not miss the playoffs on a consistent basis.

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#113 Chris
August 12 2009, 05:41PM
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@ Mikey:

Did you even read my comment? Freedom yes... free pass no.

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#114 Jonathan Willis
August 12 2009, 05:41PM
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@ rindog:

What does "identity" have to do with it, though? What does "identity" even mean?

And teams don't miraculously improve just because their best player gets a letter.

The porblem with the Oilers these past few years hasn't been anything as nebulous or intangible as "identity" and "leadership"; it's simply been a lack of players capable of filling the roles expected of them. Too many "maybes", not enough "for sure"'s on the roster.

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#115 oilFan
August 12 2009, 05:41PM
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Trade with the send cogs penner moreau and 3rd round pick

In return get Neil and Heatly

Then trade heatly to Sharks or Ranger or LA.

In return a player like Frolov Duminsky or picks simple trade we drop cap space and get Frolov plus a pick

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#116 Librarian Mike
August 12 2009, 05:44PM
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oilFan wrote:

Trade with the send cogs penner moreau and 3rd round pick In return get Neil and Heatly Then trade heatly to Sharks or Ranger or LA. In return a player like Frolov Duminsky or picks simple trade we drop cap space and get Frolov plus a pick

~Of course. Why didn't I think of that?~

We don't have Neil, but we do have cheaper versions of him. As for Heatley, well...

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#117 rick
August 12 2009, 05:48PM
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plan the parade we signed smid good to see the oil movin forward!!!! joke.@ Librarian Mike:

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#118 Travis Dakin
August 12 2009, 05:48PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: Man you are on fire today. Bringin' the heat! Bow before Willis you weak minded fools! Muhahahaha

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#119 Ender the Dragon
August 12 2009, 05:54PM
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Lofty wrote:

If defence wins championships then the oilers are gonna win the division…

The 'complete bull' comment aside, have a hard look at Calgary's defence this year. I don't pretend to like the Flamers, but it's hard not to respect their blue-line going into camp this season.

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#120 Travis Dakin
August 12 2009, 05:55PM
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Ender the Dragon wrote:

have a hard look at Calgary’s defence this year

Please don't make me. It's VERY scary.

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#121 Tayranchula
August 12 2009, 06:25PM
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Im pissed the Oilers traded Lupal. I liked his play not so much with the oilers but everywhere else he played.

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#122 Jason Gregor
August 12 2009, 06:56PM
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Smid will be a 1.3 cap hit for the next two years. So he and Brule combined for 2.1million if Brule sticks!

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#123 Jonathan Willis
August 12 2009, 07:07PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Smid will be a 1.3 cap hit for the next two years. So he and Brule combined for 2.1million if Brule sticks!

Great news. Thanks for that, Jason.

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#124 cableguy
August 12 2009, 07:08PM
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Tayranchula wrote:

Im pissed the Oilers traded Lupal. I liked his play not so much with the oilers but everywhere else he played.

its been 2 years, get over it.

and, for f*** sake, it LUPUL

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#125 Hemmertime
August 12 2009, 07:31PM
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@ Tayranchula:

Lupul -> Pitkanen -> Cole -> O'Sullivan

Im still Happy with the assets we got through this chain. Lupul landed us OSullivan for current Oilers, and Pitkanen had the potential to do for us what Visnovsky does. Cole was a good attempt at filling a need.

Both Lupul and Osullivan had 53 pts in their first full seasons. Debatable who is the better player and after Lupul did so poorly here I'd take Osully over him (although scary start for Osully too in Oiler colours).

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#126 oilerdiehard
August 12 2009, 07:50PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Smid will be a 1.3 cap hit for the next two years. So he and Brule combined for 2.1million if Brule sticks!

Thanks Jason. That is a solid deal for Smid.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread. Matheson often comes in high on his advance numbers on contracts. I was hoping he was wrong and too high once again and he was. Good stuff.

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#127 rindog
August 12 2009, 08:09PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ rindog: What does “identity” have to do with it, though? What does “identity” even mean? And teams don’t miraculously improve just because their best player gets a letter. The porblem with the Oilers these past few years hasn’t been anything as nebulous or intangible as “identity” and “leadership”; it’s simply been a lack of players capable of filling the roles expected of them. Too many “maybes”, not enough “for sure”’s on the roster.

To me, identity means: what style of play we have or what systems we try to implement?

When the coach keeps playing players that are "safe" you begin to have an identity of a team that doesn't do much one way or the other.

On the other hand if the coach is able to use players that offer a greater reward and get them to buy into a system (along with some inherent risks), you begin to put other teams back on their heels and wondering what is coming (ie. letting your team dictate the game).

Instead of benching the risk/reward players and going with the "safe" guys - it should be up to the coach and the leaders to have these so called "unsafe" players buy into the system.

I am shocked to hear that you don't rest any responsibility on our leadership the past few years?

How are players supposed to follow and emulate the leaders when they are taking undisciplined penalties, chewing up valuable minutes and making the same dumb mistakes over and over again?

How can Ethan Moreau or Jason Smith go out and win a game for the club? I am not (nor have I ever) questioned their dedication and effort. They just don't have what it takes to lead a professional hockey team to success.

You say that I have no proof that Moreau, Staios and Pisani are the reason why we have faultered? What proof do you have that they aren't the reason?

The only thing I can use to compare is that under the leadership of Moreau and his crew we have yet to make the playoffs.

I know you like to look at stats and hard facts. Can you explain this list of the other captains from last season?

Neidermayer, Kovalchuk, Chara, Rivet, Iginla, Brind’Amour, Toews, Sakic, Nash, Morrow, Lidstrom, Brown, Brunette, Koivu, Arnott, Langenbrunner, Guerin , Drury, Alfredsson, Richards, Doan, Crosby, Marleau, Brewer, Lecavalier, Luongo, Clark

There must be a reason why virtually every other team has one of their best players as captain?

With the exception of Chris Clark in Washington (who was named captain while Ovechkin was just a rookie) and Craig Rivet - every one of those players can go out and "win" games for their teams?

We have tried the "blue-collar" approach to leadership the last 6 or 7 years without any success (I have blocked out the Pronger year).

What is so wrong with trying it the way most of the other successful teams do it?

A place for everyone and everyone in their place....

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#128 Tayranchula
August 12 2009, 08:17PM
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@ Hemmertime: I do agree with you but LUPUL (sorry) is bigger (which would be nice), but I do believe O'Sul will be better than LUPUL in a short time. Also that trade technically goes Brewer for O'Sul which looks bad on paper but that is another debate.

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#129 Smid and Brule re-sign with Oilers | Putting on the Foil
August 12 2009, 09:38PM
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[...] to Jason Gregor on Oilers Nation, Gilbert Brule has signed for 800K, 1-year, 2-way and Ladislav Smid has signed for 1.3M/year cap [...]

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#130 Racki
August 12 2009, 09:47PM
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I'm loving the signings. Both of these guys were re-signed at good salaries. Smid for 2-years at $1.3M is a very good deal. Smid at 800k gives him a chance to prove he deserves a raise.

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#131 Charlie
August 12 2009, 10:01PM
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Racki wrote:

I’m loving the signings. Both of these guys were re-signed at good salaries. Smid for 2-years at $1.3M is a very good deal. Smid at 800k gives him a chance to prove he deserves a raise.

So Smid is making $2.1M than?

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#132 BigE57
August 12 2009, 10:06PM
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Ethan Moreau-77GP-14-12-26-133Pim...

Not bad for a 3rd line guy who is counted on for bringing energy, leadership and killing penalties. Everyone is talking about all the bad penalties he took at innopportune times last season. IMO those penalties are magnified by the fact that the Oilers always seemed to be in a bad situation, late in the game tied down a goal or up a goal and just hanging on, how many players did the Oilers have that were actually reliable in late game situations 4? 5? Horcoff, Pisani, Moreau, Brodziak.

Moreau is a hard nosed player, who to be effective needs to play with an edge, that edge isn't always the greatest late in the game but last years Oilers didn't have a lot of options and with the loss of Brodziak you could argue that this years editioncould be in worse shape...

But maybe if they make Gagner captain that will make things all better........

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#133 Ogden Brother
August 12 2009, 10:09PM
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BigE57 wrote:

Ethan Moreau-77GP-14-12-26-133Pim… Not bad for a 3rd line guy who is counted on for bringing energy, leadership and killing penalties. Everyone is talking about all the bad penalties he took at innopportune times last season. IMO those penalties are magnified by the fact that the Oilers always seemed to be in a bad situation, late in the game tied down a goal or up a goal and just hanging on, how many players did the Oilers have that were actually reliable in late game situations 4? 5? Horcoff, Pisani, Moreau, Brodziak. Moreau is a hard nosed player, who to be effective needs to play with an edge, that edge isn’t always the greatest late in the game but last years Oilers didn’t have a lot of options and with the loss of Brodziak you could argue that this years editioncould be in worse shape… But maybe if they make Gagner captain that will make things all better……..

~Or Hemsky, he's showed real leadership traits thus far~

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#134 Tayranchula
August 12 2009, 10:50PM
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@ Ogden Brother: Hemsky being my favorite player and all would be a bad captain, he's too quiet, shys away from the media spotlight and too european. Moreau is the type of player every team wants and Oilers are lucky to have him, but yes he takes terrible penalties and how can someone that is your captain be counted on to kill big penalties when he is in the box to begin with. The Oilers need a leader who can take the team offensively on there shoulders at times in the season and be Canadian (very bias towards Canadian captains) like Souray or Horcoff, not Hemsky hes a perfect A captain and will fit nicely behind a sniper LW. F**K I want the Oilers to get a sniper LW, that's what I want for Christmas now. haha and im sure Ogden Brother will concure

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#135 ScubaSteve
August 12 2009, 11:06PM
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rindog wrote:

A place for everyone and everyone in their place

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes. In order for this to happen, players needs to have roles, then buy into those roles.

The roles come from the coaching, so it is any wonder our guys have no idea what role they are supposed to play?

Moreau in the right situation w/ appropriate ice time is effective. Same with Penner, Pisani, ect.

We will see a different team this year, solely based on the coaching change. I know this horse has been beaten to death, but the old coaching regime held this team back, badly.

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#136 Racki
August 12 2009, 11:38PM
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Charlie wrote:

Racki wrote: I’m loving the signings. Both of these guys were re-signed at good salaries. Smid for 2-years at $1.3M is a very good deal. Smid at 800k gives him a chance to prove he deserves a raise. So Smid is making $2.1M than?

Typo, obviously ;) Was meant to say "Brule at 800k..."

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#137 rindog
August 13 2009, 12:47AM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

rindog wrote: A place for everyone and everyone in their place Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes. In order for this to happen, players needs to have roles, then buy into those roles. The roles come from the coaching, so it is any wonder our guys have no idea what role they are supposed to play? Moreau in the right situation w/ appropriate ice time is effective. Same with Penner, Pisani, ect. We will see a different team this year, solely based on the coaching change. I know this horse has been beaten to death, but the old coaching regime held this team back, badly.

I totally agree.

The entire point of this topic was to ask the question:

If we would be better served by replacing our so called "role" players (that make $7.2 million combined this year) with cheaper models in order to free up cap (and roster) room to acquire the other ingredients that we need?

I fully believe that Quinn will have defined roles for each player and will not stray from those roles at the first sign of adversity.

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#138 Kingsblade
August 13 2009, 01:26AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And yet you haven’t shown an example of another player who can handle tough opposition like they do. The ones who do (for example Malhotra) generally aren’t much cheaper.

This makes me think I'd like to see Staios out and Malhotra in. I think I could be happy enough with a 3rd line of Moreau, Malhotra, and Pisani. I actually think that could be a relatively effective line.

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#139 Dallas
August 13 2009, 05:35AM
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Mr. Hemsky lover is a fool. Don't get me wrong Hemsky used to be my favorite player there was probably nobody in the world cheering harder for him in that Columbus game he was all world superstar for that game. If only he played like that every night. Anyway as soon as Gagner came into this game my allegences changed I don't know what the stats on the two are as rookies but Gagner WILL be the better player and then all you Hemsky lovers will be all of a sudden cheering on Gagner and buying Gagner jerseys I just laugh when people don't know levels of talent

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#140 roadrunner
August 13 2009, 07:07AM
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Sorry all, my date left me high and dry yesterday so I'm a "tad" late for this PROM thread but I have a few thoughts...

-Smid and Brule re-sign which in my opinion are good things. Smid brought a nastier dimension to his game on a more consistant basis which is always needed. He's improved substantially and for only being 23, his game should continue to improve.

Brule is a steal at his 800k. With more than 150 games under his belt and at age 22, he should be seriously considered to crack the opening night roster.

-Pisani, Moreau and Staois... While there are those who still lament the Pisani contract, it's time to get over it. Let's face it, with the exception of 2 years of injury problems, the guy has been Mr. Consistancy! The stats speak for themselves.I don't think there's anyone else on the current roster who has equalled or been better night after night. I'm comfortable with his contract for those reasons alone. Great 3rd liner, kills penalties and has shown he can contribute on the score sheet with timely goals. What more can you ask for?

-Moreau has been another decent soldier for The Oil but the frequency of brain cramp penalties at THE most inopportune moments drives me nuts. For that reason,I don't like him as a captain.How can a Captain lead by example when he's constantly demonstrated he has no discipline? Him and Pisani on the 3rd line compliment each other and if given a decent center like a Brule or if Pouliot steps up, could be the best 3rd line in the league. -Staois has clearly lost a step and I agree with most of you in thinking he should be reduced to 7th man ice time. Let him and Peckham split duties throughout the season and then dump him for a pick at the deadline.

I'd much prefer to bring in Peckham rather than Chorney for the physical presence. I agree with JW that a Chorney call up scares me a little bit should we lose a man to injury. I'd like to see maybe a move for another utility D man like a Rhett Warrener or Denis Gauthier.

As for a Captain, I hate to say it folks, but the most likely candidate would be Horcoff. He's not a superstar but clearly is the best choice to lead the team. Regardless of his production, there's not a better man to wear the C than him. He's consistant, does alot of things very well and you know what to expect. Much like a Ron Francis or Rod Brind'Amour (both legitimate captains) They show up and just play. What more can we ask for?

Thoughts?

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#141 Jodan
August 13 2009, 07:54AM
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Hey guys,

I have been checking out this site and reading the articles and comments for a while. I must say that this site has some of the more intelligent discussions I've read. Kudos. I wouldn't mind throwing my hat in this forum if you don't mind?

When we first traded Smith I thought almost for sure that Horc was gonna be named captain. When we named Moreau I was a little disappointed, but I thought "Hell, give 'em a chance". Well I did and I don't think he did a good enough job. While I agree in part with JW, that Moreau and Pisani are decent 3rd liners, I also agree with rindog, that the leadership on the team needs to be held accountable for the recent past.

I think that the captaincy should be vacated. Then let Quinn/Renney decide who gets the C based on who they see as the leader on and off the ice. Just like a new GM has the right to bring in his own coaching staff, let the coaches decide their own leadership team.

Whaddayathink?

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#142 Jodan
August 13 2009, 08:06AM
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Oh and Staios REALLY needs to go! What use is a defencemen who only sees 2 feet of ice at any given time?

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#143 Librarian Mike
August 13 2009, 08:57AM
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@ Jodan:

I felt the same way as you when they announced Moreau as captain. Yes, he's been a good soldier through some lean years, but it felt like a step back when they should have moved forward (kinda like when they made Bucky captain). I would have gone with Horcoff too, probably.

Then again, I don't have any idea what happens in that room and there is no better cure to 'alleged room problems' than winning.

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#144 Jodan
August 13 2009, 09:10AM
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@ Librarian Mike:

That's true, but I also feel that one of the major problems with the Oil last year was a lack of passion. Now, one might be able to argue that that has to do with personnel, but I think that speaks volumes about your leadership! A leader is supposed to inspire their followers, and as a great friend (and great leader) once told me "You're only a leader if people are following you". 'Nuf said.

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#145 Jonathan Willis
August 13 2009, 09:40AM
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rindog wrote:

Neidermayer, Kovalchuk, Chara, Rivet, Iginla, Brind’Amour, Toews, Sakic, Nash, Morrow, Lidstrom, Brown, Brunette, Koivu, Arnott, Langenbrunner, Guerin , Drury, Alfredsson, Richards, Doan, Crosby, Marleau, Brewer, Lecavalier, Luongo, Clark

And a bunch of those guys haven't really led their teams anywhere (Kovalchuk, Nash, Morrow, Brown, Brunette, Koivu, Arnott, Guerin, Drury, Marleau, Brewer).

Further, wasn't Tim Thomas captain in Tampa Bay when they won the Cup? And didn't he become captain after John Tortorella stripped it from Lecavalier?

It isn't as simple as "make the best player captain and we'll win". It is as simple as "the roster the last few seasons has simply not been good enough". Hell, even Joe Sakic can't lead a crap team anywhere.

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#146 Jonathan Willis
August 13 2009, 09:42AM
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I do agree with you but LUPUL (sorry) is bigger (which would be nice), but I do believe O’Sul will be better than LUPUL in a short time.

If by a "short time" you mean "now". Lupul's a one trick pony, and while the offense is nice when it comes he's a liability in every other way.

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#147 Jonathan Willis
August 13 2009, 09:46AM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

The roles come from the coaching, so it is any wonder our guys have no idea what role they are supposed to play?

Pat Quinn, May 29:

"I’m more of a guy that thinks about handling a checking responsibility in terms of a defense pair, or maybe a defense pair and a given centre. As for matching a whole line, I think you can get confused some times. I think you can get caught up too much in the changing and sometimes I think you are telling players you are just a specialty player who can’t play in this circumstance. I want to have a team that believes in themselves and can play in all circumstances."

(bolding mine)

If anything, it sounds like Pat Quinn is going to have less defined roles for his players than MacTavish did.

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#148 Travis Dakin
August 13 2009, 10:16AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Further, wasn’t Tim Thomas captain in Tampa Bay when they won the Cup?

I thought it was Andreychuk

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#149 rindog
August 13 2009, 10:53AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And a bunch of those guys haven’t really led their teams anywhere (Kovalchuk, Nash, Morrow, Brown, Brunette, Koivu, Arnott, Guerin, Drury, Marleau, Brewer).

Of those players you hilighted - how many of them have been captain for 3 years or more and haven't led their team to the playoffs atleast once?

Actually, that is not even my point.

Just because the best player is your captain/leader doesn't ensure your team will have success....but I think it will help?

It will definitely be a better option than having a role player try to lead the team.

How did we make the playoffs on a semi-frequent basis when Weight was captain? He didn't have any better personnel to work with?

You can blame the roster all you want, but Moreau (and MacTavish) had a roster that had 4 former allstars, a few of the youngstars (not to mention our best player who has yet to make an allstar game). We also can throw in a bunch of more players that were former first round draft picks.

If you look at some of the teams that made playoffs in the West - we should have easily been able to make the playoffs.

We didn't! We underacheived, and I put most of the blame on the coaching/leadership.

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#150 rindog
August 13 2009, 10:59AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

If anything, it sounds like Pat Quinn is going to have less defined roles for his players than MacTavish did.

You may want to interpret it that way? I on the other hand, would prefer to think that Quinn isn't going to be as concerned with what players the other teams throw out on the ice because he will be too busy implementing his own sytem?

I would like to think that Quinn will have his ENTIRE team buy into a system and trust it?

Quinn was quoted:

"I like skilled teams," said Quinn, who most recently led Canada to a gold medal at the 2009 World Junior Championship. "You can't all be foot soldiers who dump it in and bang the puck. Move and use the skills you have. Lose it and be damn gritty to get it back."

To me he seems to want to preach creativity and accountability to ALL of his players?

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