Splitting the Season

Jonathan Willis
August 17 2009 05:30AM

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One method occasionally used by prognosticators (and fantasy hockey types) is looking at season splits. Did the player start the season well but cool off? Did the player start the season poorly but turn it on towards the end?

These questions are of particular interest when it comes to young players – and predicting breakout seasons.

The Oilers had a bunch of players 23-or younger last year that played a significant portion of the season. Using the power of Yahoo!’s split stats, we’re going to take a look at their pre- and post- all-star break numbers. I’ve projected the totals over an 82-game season, bolded items that stand out at me, and ranked the players by the difference between the projections.

Sam Gagner

  • Pre-All Star: 82GP – 8G – 25A – 33PTS, EV, 4.9 SH%
  • Post-All Star: 82GP – 30G – 30A – 60PTS, -2, 16.2 SH%
  • Difference: +27 points

Zack Stortini

  • Pre-All Star: 82GP – 3G – 6A – 9PTS, -9, 325 PIM, 11.1 SH%
  • Post-All Star: 82GP – 17G – 10A – 27PTS, EV, 239 PIM, 35.7 SH%
  • Difference: +18 points

Robert Nilsson

  • Pre-All Star: 82GP – 14G – 16A – 30PTS, -11
  • Post-All Star: 82GP – 9G – 38A – 47PTS, +18
  • Difference: +17 points

Marc Pouliot

  • Pre-All Star: 82GP – 11G – 13A – 24PTS, +4
  • Post-All Star: 82GP – 9G – 22A – 31PTS, -4
  • Difference: +7 points

Ladislav Smid

  • Pre-All Star: 82GP – 0G – 10A – 10PTS, +8, 95 PIM
  • Post-All Star: 82GP – 0G – 21A – 21PTS, -26, 59 PIM
  • Difference: +11 points

Liam Reddox

  • Pre-All Star: 82GP – 11G – 7A – 18PTS, -11, 15.0 SH%
  • Post-All Star: 82GP – 7G – 18A – 25PTS, -11 10.5 SH%
  • Difference: +7 points

Andrew Cogliano

  • Pre-All Star: 82GP – 21G – 23A – 44PTS, -5, 132 shots on goal
  • Post-All Star: 82GP – 14G – 16A – 30PTS, -7 96 shots on goal
  • Difference: -14 points

What I’m Taking From This

It’s important not to read too much into these numbers. There’s a certain amount of variation from game to game, and the samples here are small so they magnify the differences. With that caveat out of the way:

I see modest progression from Sam Gagner. The huge jump is amplified by a drastic change in shooting percentage, and his true range is probably somewhere in the middle, goal-scoring wise. I could see the increase in assists as a sign of progression, though that’s a guess because these numbers aren’t precise enough to tell us that. Still, by memory his brain-cramps decreased as the season wore on.

Zack Stortini’s incredibly positive numbers are probably an illusion. Pucks were more than 3X as likely to go in for him during the second half of the season, and he already had a pretty killer shooting percentage.

This is a very nice breakdown for Robert Nilsson – and it probably affects our read of him more than any of the other players listed here. Measures are up across the board, with very little change in either shooting percentage (it went down slightly) or total shots taken. I talked about this a little bit back in June, and I think he could come back and have a strong season. I’m not convinced it will be in Edmonton, mind you, but I do think we’ll see at least a return to his 2007-08 form wherever he plays.

Ladislav Smid seemed to slump towards the bottom half of the season, and it’s a little disappointing to see the statistics confirm that. I’m not at all convinced he’s ready for a top-four role at this point in time.

Andrew Cogliano is the only player going the wrong way here. Of note is the way his shot-taking dropped off in the second-half, and that’s a big part of the equation. I think he’ll bounce back; I don’t know this but if memory serves I think the linemates he was going out with decreased in quality in the second half.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 typol99
August 17 2009, 06:11AM
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If these players do not improve this season with the double headed monster coaching(quinn,renney) then there gone.. No questions asked. Nilsson is on thin ice here, and needs to compete threw all three periods and all 82 games.Tambo isn't going to except failure, and use the old"well there young and need to develope" not going to fly this season. Its a post season birth or a major overhaul of our roster. Im sick of losing!!!!!!!!

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#2 roadrunner
August 17 2009, 06:59AM
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typol99 wrote:

If these players do not improve this season with the double headed monster coaching(quinn,renney) then there gone.. No questions asked. Nilsson is on thin ice here, and needs to compete threw all three periods and all 82 games.Tambo isn’t going to except failure, and use the old”well there young and need to develope” not going to fly this season. Its a post season birth or a major overhaul of our roster. Im sick of losing!!!!!!!!

Uhm I have to object here for a few reasons:

First off, with the Oil having so much difficulty in even acquiring a top notch free agent, I highly doubt any one of these players would "be gone." Too many factors involved to just dump players.

Secondly, Nilsson WAS skating on thin ice under MacT. The new coaching staff will obviously wipe the slate clean so I highly doubt he's not going to be given the opportunity to perform and, within a reasonable time frame.Nilssons biggest problem is consistancy. He shows flashes of brilliance on 1 shift than becomes complacent the next. He has to learn to show up for every shift, every period of every game he plays in.

Going through some growing pains is to be expected and to throw these kids under the bus in year 3 is absurd. There has to be some patience combined with some guidance in order for these young players to mold into what they can be as NHLers.

I agree with JW about Smid not being ready to handle top 4 ice. He's another young guy who has, to his credit, developed nicely. If he continues his consistant play and with one more year under his belt could potentially step into a top 4 d-man slot.

I think Coglianos numbers dropped due to the shifting in responsibilities. He, Horcoff and Brodziak were shuffled between lines to take faceoffs so I can understand the drop.

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#3 typol99
August 17 2009, 07:19AM
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Good points..but how many years of failure do we attribute to our team being young?@ roadrunner:

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#4 psycloud
August 17 2009, 07:49AM
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I don't think many people attributed last year to the team being young. Yeah, the kids had kind of a crappy season, but the veterans weren't much better.

I thought (perhaps incorrectly) that most of last season was attributed to the lack of special teams (particularly a penalty killing center), the fact that we only had a handful of people that could take defensive zone draws, and some (generally highly) questionable calls by the coaching staff.

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#5 Colin
August 17 2009, 08:04AM
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@ typol99:

As many as it takes. I'd rather miss the playoffs 5 years in a row and develop a strong roster that can actually compete in June; then panic every march/off season, make a bunch of moves and make 8th and out in the first round.

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#6 DonDon
August 17 2009, 08:20AM
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typol99 wrote:

Tambo isn’t going to except failure, and use the old”well there young and need to develope”

Who knows what Tambellini will accept. He doesn't necessarily walk the talk. Other than hiring new coaches, exchanging one old goaltender for another and fruitlessly pursuiting Heatley, what has he done to improve the club? Trade Brodziak.

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#7 Kyle S
August 17 2009, 08:23AM
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psycloud wrote:

we only had a handful of people that could take defensive zone draws

I wish we had had a handful of people that could take d-zone draws. It was more like 2 fingers worth (Horcoff and Brodziak).

I really want to see Cogs get a shot at 1LW to see what he can do with quality line mates and not 3rd liners. Penner isn't the answer at 1LW and seems to play much better on the 2nd line anyway (going back to Anaheim). Less minutes seems to equal more production from Penner...I guess it's the donairs catching up with him...

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#8 Jonathan Willis
August 17 2009, 08:27AM
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typol99 wrote:

Good points..but how many years of failure do we attribute to our team being young?@ roadrunner:

We keep attributing it until management stops throwing rookies into the fire.

It just means we're blaming the managers for putting players in a position to fail, rather than blaming the players for not being ready for therole they were thrust into.

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#9 oilguyry
August 17 2009, 08:27AM
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Less than a month till camp I can't wait this is the first year that I know is expecting a big step forward and I think that bodes well for us low expectations=good season by oil

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#10 Jonathan Willis
August 17 2009, 08:33AM
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typol99 wrote:

One of these highly questionable calls, perhaps was mac t’s loyalty to roloson, which roli played good dont get me wrong but i think toward the end he was so burnt out, mac’t wanted him to have the record.

From Yahoo!'s split stats:

Roloson's pre-All Star SV%: .913 Roloson's post-All Star SV%: .917 Roloson's last 10 games SV%: .920

Roli only got better as the season went on. I think you're wrong here.

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#11 psycloud
August 17 2009, 08:56AM
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@ Jonathan Willis: Agreed on Roloson. He probably could have used a night or two off, sure, but he was dynamite down the stretch, and was really the only thing keeping us in it. It would have been nice to have been able to go to the backup for a few games, but we were still at least in touch with a playoff spot, and Roloson gave us the best chance to win.

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#12 Alon
August 17 2009, 09:02AM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

I wonder if that lends any credibility to the "Roli has to play a gazillion games in a row to be good" camp(as Roli's 2nd half, where he played consideribly more games, than the first half)?

Is there any way to look at Roli on a game-to-game basis?

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#13 Jonathan Willis
August 17 2009, 09:10AM
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@ Alon:

The official NHL player pages for each player have their game-by-game stats. This is Roloson's.

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#14 Kyle S
August 17 2009, 09:20AM
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The Yahoo split stats tool is quite interesting. I took a look at Hemsky and did the same that JW did:

Hemsky Pre: 82GP - 31G - 61A - 92PTS, +13, 13.0 SH% Post: 82GP – 20G – 36A – 56PTS, -11, 11.7 SH%

Would have been nice if he would have maintained the first half pace. Makes you wonder how much the injury hampered his 2nd half stats...

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#15 jeff
August 17 2009, 09:44AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

typol99 wrote: Good points..but how many years of failure do we attribute to our team being young?@ roadrunner: We keep attributing it until management stops throwing rookies into the fire. It just means we’re blaming the managers for putting players in a position to fail, rather than blaming the players for not being ready for therole they were thrust into.

How long do you think Tambo's leash is? How long until Katz gets fed up?

It just seems Katz wants a winning team now, how many years of mediocracy can he handle?

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#16 jeff
August 17 2009, 09:46AM
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I am under moderation?

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#17 Librarian Mike
August 17 2009, 09:57AM
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Kyle S wrote:

The Yahoo split stats tool is quite interesting. I took a look at Hemsky and did the same that JW did: Hemsky Pre: 82GP - 31G - 61A - 92PTS, +13, 13.0 SH% Post: 82GP – 20G – 36A – 56PTS, -11, 11.7 SH% Would have been nice if he would have maintained the first half pace. Makes you wonder how much the injury hampered his 2nd half stats…

I also wonder how much the injury to Vis was a factor. How many 'pre' points would have come on the powerplay?

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#18 Oilersordeath
August 17 2009, 10:01AM
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I can almost guarentee that Nilsson ,Pouliot, and Reddux will be gone by trade deadline. Quinn wont put up with their crap.

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#19 Kyle S
August 17 2009, 10:11AM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

Kyle S wrote: Makes you wonder how much the injury hampered his 2nd half stats… I also wonder how much the injury to Vis was a factor. How many ‘pre’ points would have come on the powerplay?

Hemsky had 9 more assists in the 1st half than the 2nd, which translates to 20 more in the 1st half over 82 games.

Hemsky also had 31 more shots (translates to 70 for 82 games) in the 1st half and would have been 246 in total. Which is a lot nicer to see than the 185 he actually took.

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#20 Kyle S
August 17 2009, 10:17AM
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Kyle S wrote:

Librarian Mike wrote: Kyle S wrote: Makes you wonder how much the injury hampered his 2nd half stats… I also wonder how much the injury to Vis was a factor. How many ‘pre’ points would have come on the powerplay? Hemsky had 9 more assists in the 1st half than the 2nd, which translates to 20 more in the 1st half over 82 games. Hemsky also had 31 more shots (translates to 70 for 82 games) in the 1st half and would have been 246 in total. Which is a lot nicer to see than the 185 he actually took.

I meant Hemsky had 9 more PP assists in the 1st half than the 2nd. (2g 18A 1st half, 2G 9A 2nd half)

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#21 oil fan
August 17 2009, 10:21AM
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It seems that once Vish got hurt the rest of the team give up. Tambo decided not to make any moves to replace him at the time. Rolli stood on his head at the end of the season, i can see any coach not play him. I agree JW Smid is not ready for top 4 IMO. I break the season down as follows. Great start to the season, started to drop, coacing staff and GM noticed the slump. Never did anything. Useing the same old saying " let's see how the kids react to a four game skid". I feel had Tambo made some changes during the season, things COULD have turned around. When you watch your coach put every guy in the line up at center, its up to the GM to realize we need change. I dont know if MacT asked for any trades, but he called out Nilson,Penner ect. Tambo never addressed those needs. I think Tambo is doing what he can, some times thats not enough. I just hope this year Quinn sets the lines and lets them play together. I couldn't stand watching MacT change the lines every second shift. I know if the team isn't playing well adjustments are needed. But even when the Oilers were playing well he changed the lines.Watching teams like the Red Wings is amazing. I neverreally noticed them change the line up even in the playoffs. IMO Whren you get the chance to play every game with the same line mates you tend to understand where they go in situations ect.

Thanks Good Read JW

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#22 jeff
August 17 2009, 10:35AM
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@ oil fan: Not sure that replacing Lubo would've been the best idea. Was there any pending UFA's available? Truth of the matter is we shouldn't have 4 offensive d-men in our top 4 anyways.

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#23 oil fan
August 17 2009, 10:52AM
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Yeah im not sure also, but when you lose a top 4 dman, and you dont have depth in the roster. Something has to give. I also agree that the Oilers may have to many offensive dman. Smid isn't a top 4 guy. The Oil were in 6th place till Vish went down. Something you cant look around @ jeff:

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#24 Ogden Brother
August 17 2009, 11:01AM
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oil fan wrote:

Yeah im not sure also, but when you lose a top 4 dman, and you dont have depth in the roster. Something has to give. I also agree that the Oilers may have to many offensive dman. Smid isn’t a top 4 guy. The Oil were in 6th place till Vish went down. Something you cant look around @ jeff:

Pretty tough to blame last year on injuries. We missed what, 50 games from key guys?

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#25 Helmerfied
August 17 2009, 11:17AM
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Hey guys,

@ Willis, Brownlee or Gregor,

I was wondering if any of you know the regulations regarding the cap in terms of what happens if you are over. Do you have a grace period in which you can be over? When must teams be back under by? Is there a penalty for being over (now or during the season)? Is it allowed in any way to be over the cap during the season?

Thanks!

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#26 Wyseguy
August 17 2009, 12:07PM
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oil fan wrote:

It seems that once Vish got hurt the rest of the team give up. Tambo decided not to make any moves to replace him at the time. Rolli stood on his head at the end of the season, i can see any coach not play him. I agree JW Smid is not ready for top 4 IMO. I break the season down as follows. Great start to the season, started to drop, coacing staff and GM noticed the slump. Never did anything. Useing the same old saying ” let’s see how the kids react to a four game skid”. I feel had Tambo made some changes during the season, things COULD have turned around. When you watch your coach put every guy in the line up at center, its up to the GM to realize we need change. I dont know if MacT asked for any trades, but he called out Nilson,Penner ect. Tambo never addressed those needs. I think Tambo is doing what he can, some times thats not enough. I just hope this year Quinn sets the lines and lets them play together. I couldn’t stand watching MacT change the lines every second shift. I know if the team isn’t playing well adjustments are needed. But even when the Oilers were playing well he changed the lines.Watching teams like the Red Wings is amazing. I neverreally noticed them change the line up even in the playoffs. IMO Whren you get the chance to play every game with the same line mates you tend to understand where they go in situations ect. Thanks Good Read JW

I watched the wings a lot as I had a few of them in my pool. They changed lines quite a bit actually. Not so much early, but when Hossa's production dropped off, it seemed like they were rejigging things to get him going.

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#27 Ogden Brother
August 17 2009, 12:45PM
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Wyseguy wrote:

oil fan wrote: It seems that once Vish got hurt the rest of the team give up. Tambo decided not to make any moves to replace him at the time. Rolli stood on his head at the end of the season, i can see any coach not play him. I agree JW Smid is not ready for top 4 IMO. I break the season down as follows. Great start to the season, started to drop, coacing staff and GM noticed the slump. Never did anything. Useing the same old saying ” let’s see how the kids react to a four game skid”. I feel had Tambo made some changes during the season, things COULD have turned around. When you watch your coach put every guy in the line up at center, its up to the GM to realize we need change. I dont know if MacT asked for any trades, but he called out Nilson,Penner ect. Tambo never addressed those needs. I think Tambo is doing what he can, some times thats not enough. I just hope this year Quinn sets the lines and lets them play together. I couldn’t stand watching MacT change the lines every second shift. I know if the team isn’t playing well adjustments are needed. But even when the Oilers were playing well he changed the lines.Watching teams like the Red Wings is amazing. I neverreally noticed them change the line up even in the playoffs. IMO Whren you get the chance to play every game with the same line mates you tend to understand where they go in situations ect. Thanks Good Read JW I watched the wings a lot as I had a few of them in my pool. They changed lines quite a bit actually. Not so much early, but when Hossa’s production dropped off, it seemed like they were rejigging things to get him going.

All (almost) teams do, alot of guys are going to be in for a big suprise this year when the Quinn/Renney blender goes to work.

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#28 Cam
August 17 2009, 12:52PM
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Kyle S wrote:

The Yahoo split stats tool is quite interesting. I took a look at Hemsky and did the same that JW did: Hemsky Pre: 82GP - 31G - 61A - 92PTS, +13, 13.0 SH% Post: 82GP – 20G – 36A – 56PTS, -11, 11.7 SH% Would have been nice if he would have maintained the first half pace. Makes you wonder how much the injury hampered his 2nd half stats…

Could be that playing with Penner gives him more space on the ice. Penner does draw defenders out of position.

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#29 jeff
August 17 2009, 01:02PM
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@ Ogden Brother: I just hope that only one of them has the power to call line changes on the bench.

We don't need two guys sending out mixed messages, costing us bench penalties.

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#30 Chris.
August 17 2009, 01:16PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

It just means we’re blaming the managers for putting players in a position to fail, rather than blaming the players for not being ready for therole they were thrust into.

I blame management. Only when a player has an established track record and underperforms based on that, do I blame the player for underperforming. When too many very young, very inexperienced players are given too much responsibility in key roles... why are we surprised when the team doesn't win?

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#31 Racki
August 17 2009, 01:20PM
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Great write up. I would have liked to have seen Ethan Moreau in this one. IIRC he was a force towards the start of the season.

And wow @ Stortini post-all-star, although I agree that this is obviously an illusion.

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#32 rindog
August 17 2009, 01:41PM
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DonDon wrote:

typol99 wrote: Tambo isn’t going to except failure, and use the old”well there young and need to develope” Who knows what Tambellini will accept. He doesn’t necessarily walk the talk. Other than hiring new coaches, exchanging one old goaltender for another and fruitlessly pursuiting Heatley, what has he done to improve the club? Trade Brodziak.

Exactly how do you know what he does and doesn't do? Do have a pipleine to every deal that Tambellini has tried to make?

Do think he can force Gaborik or Hossa to sign here?

For all we know; he could be trying like crazy to sign guys and they just don't want to be here?

I have to laugh when fans think that it is so easy to just acquire a superstar player. Most teams tend to hold on their franchise players and when they do become UFAs - they get to pick where they want to go.

I think you should be a bit more objective when evaluating Tambellini (based strictly on the public knowledge we do have). Tambellini (with Katz) support has proven that he is willing to do whatever HE can to better the team. It's not his fault that no one wants to be here right now.

He made a great a trade to get something for Cole at the deadline. He signed the best UFA goalie available this summer (whether you like the $$ or not). He made an absolutely great trade to land Heatley (not his fault the deal went through). He had Jagr publicly saying that he would love to come to the Oilers if he were to come back to the NHL.

Hopefully bringing in a proven, successful coach will be a nice start to getting players to come here?

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#33 Bettman4PM
August 17 2009, 01:43PM
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It is true that just blaming injuries for being mediocre last year is a crutch. There were several other teams that had just as significant injuries as the Oilers did but still made the playoffs. Vancouver losing Luongo for a long stretch of time and the Blues losing Kariya, McDonald, Boyes, Johnson, Brewer, et al, are good examples of that.

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#34 Librarian Mike
August 17 2009, 01:43PM
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@ jeff:

My understanding was that Quinn will be the bench boss, and Renney will be the room boss...or something like that.

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#35 Racki
August 17 2009, 02:15PM
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Hey Jonathan, one thing I think would better emphasize these stats is if you factor in TOI (unless I've misunderstood how you calculate this stuff). I say that because a player may have say had 10 minutes of ice time per game pre-all-star and then somehow managed 15 minutes per game after the all star break.

Your stats inspired me to look around at other sites I wouldn't think of as big hockey sites, and it looks like CBS (of all sites) has this info under their situational stats.

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#36 Kyle S
August 17 2009, 02:16PM
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Racki wrote:

Great write up. I would have liked to have seen Ethan Moreau in this one. IIRC he was a force towards the start of the season. And wow @ Stortini post-all-star, although I agree that this is obviously an illusion.

Moreau Pre: 82GP – 18G – 14A – 32PTS, +1, 175SH, 10.4 SH% Post: 82GP – 10G – 10A – 20PTS, -1, 161SH, 6.3 SH% Actual: 77GP - 14G - 12A - 26PTS, EV, 8.8%

Moreau was better in the first half, but most of that was a result of the increased SH%. If he would have had the same SH% in the 2nd half, he would have had 16G and 26PTS, which it exactly what he ended up with...

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#37 Alon
August 17 2009, 02:27PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Thanks J-Dub, I didn't know about that.

But interestingly enough he did end up putting his most consistent performances when he was playing lots

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#38 cableguy
August 17 2009, 03:37PM
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Helmerfied wrote:

Do you have a grace period in which you can be over? When must teams be back under by

teams basically have until day 1 of the season to be cap complient.

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#39 Future_GM
August 17 2009, 03:40PM
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haven't gone through and read all the comments, but was wondering if you have the TOI stats to go with this as well? i'd be curious to see who's ice time went up or down along with their projected points

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#40 jeff
August 17 2009, 03:41PM
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Truth be told last year we needed guys like Horcoff and Hemsky to be consistent all year and we would've been in better shape.

Tough to really even look at guys like Cogs, Gags, Nilsson and Penner. None of these guys have really should be who this team is relying on.

As for guys like Stortini, Pouilot, Moreau, Pisani and Reddox, it is nice when they chip in but really that isn't there role.

Hmmm, what were Penner's numbers?

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#41 jeff
August 17 2009, 03:47PM
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Just taking a look at Penner and he drops from 20 to 14 goals, but what was interesting was his points in wins and loses.

Wins 38GP-15g-14A Loses 40GP-2g-6a

Not only do we lose the game, but then odds are Penner is no where to be found. No wonder the guy never got and good comments thrown his way.

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#42 Librarian Mike
August 17 2009, 03:54PM
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jeff wrote:

Just taking a look at Penner and he drops from 20 to 14 goals, but what was interesting was his points in wins and loses. Wins 38GP-15g-14A Loses 40GP-2g-6a Not only do we lose the game, but then odds are Penner is no where to be found. No wonder the guy never got and good comments thrown his way.

Would it also be fair to say that Penner tends to score goals at important times? I have no idea, but you've got me wondering if having him get 15-20 big goals is more important than 30 goals where he's getting the 2nd in a 6-2 loss.

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#43 Jonathan Willis
August 17 2009, 03:59PM
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@ Librarian Mike:

From Gabriel Desjardins: "72% of all regulation play during the 2008-09 season was spent tied or at a one-goal differential."

In other words, 72% of the time, any goal is a big goal. More than that if you consider a goal scored while one team has a two-goal lead to be a big goal.

All of which is one of the big reasons I don't really believe in big goals.

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#44 Librarian Mike
August 17 2009, 04:43PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Interesting stuff. Thanks.

So, what do you make of Penner's stats then, as far as wins/losses go? Just wondering.

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#45 Jonathan Willis
August 17 2009, 04:47PM
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@ Librarian Mike:

Well, to start with, almost every player looks better in wins than he does in losses.

Beyond that, no idea. It could just be a fluke, or it could be more meaningful. I lean towards the former, but I don't have any real evidence one way or the other.

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#46 Milli
August 17 2009, 11:30PM
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I remember a FMNF's interview early in the season when he stated that Cogs play was going to force hem to play him more....But after that, his minutes and linemates seemed to diminish. I think, that he is a kid with crazy speed and great hands. Stortini, who dosn't love this guy? Works his butt off everyday. That is the work etchic I want my kids to have, skill, forget that, this guy works for everything he's got. He won't be the answer, but how do you not love what he brings everyday. And, if he keeps improving, he will be a hell of a 4th line force. How many more days till camp?

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