Rob Schremp In His Draft Year

Jonathan Willis
August 24 2009 05:45PM

Veteran readers here at the Nation will recall that back in February I did a mammoth nine-page/4000-word profile on Oilers’ prospect Rob Schremp. I didn’t think I’d have any more to add to it. I was wrong.

Tyler Dellow at mc79hockey.com had an inspired idea over the last few days: he went back to Schremp’s draft year, grabbed the draft-eligible forwards, and broke down their scoring into even-strength and power-play point production. He discovered something remarkable.

For starters, Rob Schremp’ production came almost exclusively on the powerplay. We might have guessed that from Kyle Woodlief’s 2004 scouting report (where he talked about Schremp needing “lots of ice to work with”), but I doubt we would have recognized the true extent of the inbalance. In total, 47 points – 63% of Schremp’s total production – came with the man advantage. At even-strength, he was actually a below average point-producer, as a quick comparison to fellow ’04 draftees Liam Reddox and Dave Bolland shows us:

Even-Strength Scoring, 2003-04

  • Schremp: 63GP – 14G – 14A – 28PTS
  • Reddox: 68GP – 18G – 16A – 34PTS
  • Bolland: 65GP – 17G – 16A – 33PTS

It’s also probably worth noting that 63% of Reddox’s even-strength assists were primary, as opposed to just 43% of Schremp’s.

Gabriel Desjardins of Behind the Net took Tyler’s discovery of the 2003-04 OHL game sheets one step further. He used my quality of competition method and ranked the draft-eligible 2003-04 forwards by how difficult the minutes they played were. The entire list is here; I’ll just compare Schremp to his teammate Dave Bolland and again to Liam Reddox:

Quality of Competition, 2003-04

  • Bolland: 83
  • Reddox: 82
  • Schremp: 41

Basically, this means that Dale Hunter did his level best to get Rob Schremp out on the ice against sub-par opponents, while players like Reddox and Bolland posted their totals against superior opponents.

This matters quite a bit since the vast majority of the game – and a player’s minutes – take place at even-strength. In his draft year, Schremp’s even-strength results were not especially noteworthy, as he put up fewer points in a far easier situation than did Reddox or Bolland.

In light of this, it’s perhaps unsurprising that both Dave Bolland and Liam Reddox have had better careers to date than Rob Schremp.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 #13 The Rat
August 24 2009, 11:07PM
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I hope Schremp comes to camp, with a clean slate, busts his ass off, says all the right things, and then, assuming he impresses the coaching staff gets his shot. If he fails on any of these points, he is going to end up in the AHL, no questions asked...BUT if he can get it done at training camp I really hope he gets a few games in the bigs to show his stuff. Call me the eternal optimist, but we NEED scoring, and I would be willing to sacrifice a bit of defense from anyone who scores consistently in order to see a few more pucks in the oppositions net.

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#52 Jonathan Willis
August 24 2009, 11:11PM
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@ Joe:

Did you know that Liam Reddox put up better defensive and offensive numbers than Rob Schremp in the AHL last season? At the same age?

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#53 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:16PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Joe: Did you know that Liam Reddox put up better defensive and offensive numbers than Rob Schremp in the AHL last season? At the same age?

Did you read my comment about Turkish torture?

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#54 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:19PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: If your boss treat you like sh!t and let you have only 7 radio shows in 3 years how are you going to play?

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#55 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:22PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Please don't tell me he is a proffecional. He is a human first and humans have feelings.

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#56 vern
August 24 2009, 11:23PM
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@ Joe: No one is saying Schremp dosen't have natural talent. The problem is he has not earned his shot while others have. I'm all for giving him his shot if he earns it. If he comes into camp and shows he is ready than give him a shot. Until then who do you pull off the top 6 so he can play? Keeping in mind he can't play in the bottom 6.

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#57 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:26PM
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@ vern: Penner. That was easy. Yes Shremp can play wing. If anything MacT proved that.

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#58 vern
August 24 2009, 11:28PM
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Joe wrote:

@ Jonathan Willis: Please don’t tell me he is a proffecional. He is a human first and humans have feelings.

Most humans don't get paid to play hockey. If you are getting paid you are expected to produce. If I'm not doing my job, I don't get a promotion. Even if i say i'm not producing because someone called me a stupid head. Schremp is a grown man not a 5 year old.

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#59 Travis Dakin
August 24 2009, 11:30PM
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vern wrote:

Until then who do you pull off the top 6 so he can play? Keeping in mind he can’t play in the bottom 6.

Not with the top six we have. I am not including Nilsson on that list. He should have gotten a chance two years ago. There is a team out there that will find a use for him.

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#60 vern
August 24 2009, 11:30PM
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@ Joe: Penner put up better numbers in the NHL than Schremp had in the AHL. All while being called out by the coach multiple times.

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#61 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:32PM
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@ vern: Please remined me why is the good center on the second line? And who said that he cant be the 3rd line center we all are looking for? Do we have to have a 3rd checking line or like old times we could have 3 scoring lines? I hear new couch likes it.

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#62 Ogden Brother
August 24 2009, 11:37PM
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#13 The Rat wrote:

I hope Schremp comes to camp, with a clean slate, busts his ass off, says all the right things, and then, assuming he impresses the coaching staff gets his shot. If he fails on any of these points, he is going to end up in the AHL, no questions asked…BUT if he can get it done at training camp I really hope he gets a few games in the bigs to show his stuff. Call me the eternal optimist, but we NEED scoring, and I would be willing to sacrifice a bit of defense from anyone who scores consistently in order to see a few more pucks in the oppositions net.

Actually our GA was worse then our goals for.

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#63 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:38PM
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Joe wrote:

@ vern: Please remined me who is the good center on the second line? And who said that he can't be the 3rd line center we all are looking for? Do we have to have a 3rd checking line or like old times we could have 3 scoring lines? I hear new coach likes it.
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#64 Ogden Brother
August 24 2009, 11:38PM
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Joe wrote:

@ vern: Penner. That was easy. Yes Shremp can play wing. If anything MacT proved that.

Good lord, Penner is twice the NHL hockey player that Schremp is.

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#65 Bob Cob
August 24 2009, 11:41PM
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Here is an idea, Schremp plays all preseason games and 10-15 of the first 30. Play him on the third line against weaker compitition, and in certain situations on the power play, and see what kind of numbers he puts up. Also, if need be, sub him on the 2nd line for short periods, if he proves he can skate and produce some points increase his playing time, but he shouldnt get 40-60 games of the bat. He has to prove himself at the NHL level but I think he deserves a shot. Thats just my opinion, think of it what you will.

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#66 vern
August 24 2009, 11:42PM
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@ Joe: Joe wrote:

@ vern: Please remined me why is the good center on the second line? And who said that he cant be the 3rd line center we all are looking for? Do we have to have a 3rd checking line or like old times we could have 3 scoring lines? I hear new couch likes it.

Schremp does not have the skill set for the third line. He needs to be in an offensive role. The oilers don't have the depth to run 3 scoring lines. Horcoff was the first line center because he was better at draws and had better numbers than Gagner. Gagner will be better in the long run, But wasn't ready last season. Horcoff: 17G 36A 53P plus 7 Ganer: 16G 25A 41P minus 1

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#67 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:48PM
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Bob Cob wrote:

Here is an idea, Schremp plays all preseason games and 10-15 of the first 30. Play him on the third line against weaker compitition, and in certain situations on the power play, and see what kind of numbers he puts up. Also, if need be, sub him on the 2nd line for short periods, if he proves he can skate and produce some points increase his playing time, but he shouldnt get 40-60 games of the bat. He has to prove himself at the NHL level but I think he deserves a shot. Thats just my opinion, think of it what you will.

As long as he gets a good and honest shot, whatever it takes, 15 or 50 is good. He DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE before and a CHANCE is all we are asking for.

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#68 Joe
August 24 2009, 11:55PM
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vern wrote:

Joe wrote: @ Jonathan Willis: Please don’t tell me he is a proffecional. He is a human first and humans have feelings. Most humans don’t get paid to play hockey. If you are getting paid you are expected to produce. If I’m not doing my job, I don’t get a promotion. Even if i say i’m not producing because someone called me a stupid head. Schremp is a grown man not a 5 year old.

Yes he gets paid to play hockey and in the NHL his pay is about 10 times bigger and he was denied the chance to earn that.

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#69 vern
August 25 2009, 12:00AM
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Joe wrote:

Yes he gets paid to play hockey and in the NHL his pay is about 10 times bigger and he was denied the chance to earn that.

he never earned it last year. Maybe 2 years ago, not last year. Many of his teamates out played him on the same bad team. As i've said many times, I'm all for giving him a shot when he earns it.

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#70 Pigsofa
August 25 2009, 12:09AM
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Schremp can come to camp and he can earn his spot. Based on last season though he has a lot of work to do to get that chance. Him being called out last season isn't even worth a shake as far as excuses go. I get called out all the time at work and I don't get free pass if I don't perform. They will take the best suited for the job. The 3 points in 4 games is good to look at, but I remember the majority of his shifts in his own end letting the opposition have their way with the puck. The fact that he came out on top would seem lucky instead of good.

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#71 Bob Cob
August 25 2009, 01:01AM
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Joe wrote:

As long as he gets a good and honest shot, whatever it takes, 15 or 50 is good. He DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE before and a CHANCE is all we are asking for.

Man, have you been drinking? I agree with you and your yelling at me. 15-25 games out of the first 30, if he produces he plays more, if not down to the minors to figure it out. Start him against weaker competition, on the 3rd line, and work up from there if he shows he has the jam to stay in the show. I mean if Pouliot deserves a shot than surely Schremp should get in atleast 25 this year.

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#72 Dallas
August 25 2009, 01:10AM
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vern wrote:

@ Joe: Joe wrote: @ vern: Please remined me why is the good center on the second line? And who said that he cant be the 3rd line center we all are looking for? Do we have to have a 3rd checking line or like old times we could have 3 scoring lines? I hear new couch likes it. Schremp does not have the skill set for the third line. He needs to be in an offensive role. The oilers don’t have the depth to run 3 scoring lines. Horcoff was the first line center because he was better at draws and had better numbers than Gagner. Gagner will be better in the long run, But wasn’t ready last season. Horcoff: 17G 36A 53P plus 7 Ganer: 16G 25A 41P minus 1

That's gotta be the funniest thing I have ever heard, the oil have too many second liners so what does that tell you. I am speaking about skill. Let me see if I can name 6 for you not including penner cause I think he will be on the first so Gagner, cogliano, Osully, Brule, Nillson, schremp so how could you not make a scoring third line outta that. We have one of the deepest forward corps in the league

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#73 humantorch
August 25 2009, 01:24AM
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Is Joe Schremp's mom?

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#74 Death Metal Nightmare
August 25 2009, 01:26AM
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- based on your stats, why the F$%@ did the Oilers draft him in the first place? just a rhetorical question.

- in Hemsky's best NHL season over 50% of his points were on the PP. dude blows. remember when Naslund and Bertuzzi were dominating? check their PP point %.

- and why are primary assists rated higher than secondary? take for example your youtube video. if it wasnt for Schremp's deft pass in that first goal, that Cogliano chance never even happens. and if someone else is standing on those boards, 10 bucks that puck never even gets down there unless its Hemsky.

- as much as Schremp probably isnt NHL caliber, all these stats and extrapolating numerics tell absolutely nothing until he sees more NHL games. then, if he blows his chance at creating "periphery" offense, he should be tossed. until then, dudes like Nilsson, Reddox, Pouliot AND Sam Gagner for 70% of last year have been just as immature, weak physically, and overrated for full time NHL positions. (so is Penner)

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#75 Antony Ta
August 25 2009, 05:55AM
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Chris wrote:

Schremp is not a useful player; He is simply not versatile enough to deserve a regular roster spot. Even if the Oilers give him a shot, and he starts producing offensively; Schremp will likely have a short career. Point producing forwards need a broader skillset to fall back on as they age.

That's a bass ackwards way of thinking, I think. What about non-point-producing forwards, then? What do they fall back on when they age? Skilled forwards are skilled because they fit into a niche category of impact players, and the rest fall into some role-playing type of category.

A lot of times a new role is learned, not inherent. Just look at Dan Cleary.

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#76 MattN
August 25 2009, 06:54AM
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Steve Tambellini,

Please trade Rob Schremp somewhere, anywhere, so I don't have to read any more posts about him.

TY

This guy has got to be the most talked about non-NHL player in the history of the game. If we added up all the blog posts and fanboy comments he is ahead of any other actual NHL player on the Oilers, much less a questionable prospect.

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#77 cableguy
August 25 2009, 07:32AM
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Joe wrote:

Yes he gets paid to play hockey and in the NHL his pay is about 10 times bigger and he was denied the chance to earn that.

denied the chance?

has he earned a chance?

based on last year, he sure didnt.

you are acting like he is being denied a basic human right.

the way this works for schremp is pretty simple.

1) no defensive skills, cant play on 3rd or 4th line 2) has to light it up to show he can play top 6

if the guy cant light it up playing in the AHL, how can we expect him to at the NHL level?

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#78 BigE57
August 25 2009, 07:40AM
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@ MattN:

Yup, totally agree. Schremps 1st round selection is just a product of a great team down in junior, he hasn't proven that he can play at the AHL level yet and guys are crying for him to be here this season. As fans I think we would want to the Oilers to make the playoffs, not treat the players like this is house league and everybody gets a chance, you get your chance in camp and if you are sent down you play your bag off to earn the call up, you don't just p!ss and moan until you get another chance.

Unless he has totally overhauled his game Rob Schremp doesn't give the Oilers a better shot at making the playoffs.

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#79 Jonathan Willis
August 25 2009, 07:48AM
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@ Joe:

And I asked you if you thought Turkish torture was a fair comparable for playing in the AHL.

What about poor Liam Reddox, than? He managed to produce in the AHL despite getting sent to the ECHL the year he turned pro! I mean, who could have expected him to produce - he didn't even get an AHL shot.

Or poor Ryan Potulny, who after a decent NHL debut with Philly got sent to the minors and never really got a sniff in training camp last year. He still managed 38 goals.

If Schremp can't handle being sent to the AHL, it's time to pick another career, because he doesn't have the mental toughness to play at the NHL level.

For the record: I don't think that's the case; I think it's simply a case of him putting up most of his points on the powerplay and Springfield having a lousy powerplay this year.

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#80 ronaldo
August 25 2009, 07:54AM
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@ cableguy Exactly.~ Food, water shelter, security, the right to play 40 games for the Edmonton Oilers on the top 2 lines with plenty of PP time.~ Where is it written that a 1st round pick needs to be given 40 games? Should he have been given more games near the end of one of the last few years after the Oilers were already out? I would even vote yes for that. But to nhl should be the league for pros. If the team hadn't been in such a desperate position Gagner and Cogs should never have been rushed to develope on the fly either. Detroit is always mentioned as the shining example as how to draft/ develope, well they don't throw their young to the wolves. They use the minors.

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#81 Jonathan Willis
August 25 2009, 07:57AM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

- based on your stats, why the F$%@ did the Oilers draft him in the first place? just a rhetorical question.

I'll answer it anyway. Because he had tremendous puck skills and powerplay acumen and they figured he would learn to translate his game to other situations as well.

- in Hemsky’s best NHL season over 50% of his points were on the PP. dude blows. remember when Naslund and Bertuzzi were dominating? check their PP point %.

As I recall, those guys could play a bit 5-on-5 too. There's nothing wrong with powerplay points; they're a good thing after all, but given that most of the game is 5-on-5 a guy needs to play there too.

- and why are primary assists rated higher than secondary? take for example your youtube video. if it wasnt for Schremp’s deft pass in that first goal, that Cogliano chance never even happens. and if someone else is standing on those boards, 10 bucks that puck never even gets down there unless its Hemsky.

I just watched that too. I see Schremp ring it around the boards at the first sign of a defenseman, Cogliano dig it out from behind the net, and Pouliot crash through the defense to score. "Deft pass" my foot. Dear god, I can ring it around the boards when threatened by a defenseman.

And I note the secondary assists because they are further removed from the goals; they still have value but I think the proimary assist guy is (most of the time) the more important one.

- as much as Schremp probably isnt NHL caliber, all these stats and extrapolating numerics tell absolutely nothing until he sees more NHL games. then, if he blows his chance at creating “periphery” offense, he should be tossed. until then, dudes like Nilsson, Reddox, Pouliot AND Sam Gagner for 70% of last year have been just as immature, weak physically, and overrated for full time NHL positions. (so is Penner)

You know, I think you're right - any game that isn't played at the NHL level doesn't count.

We don't need to see a player in the NHL to have a good idea if he can play there or not. His play in the OHL and AHL give us a really good idea of whether he can.

As for the notion that Rob Schremp deserves an NHL jop as much as Dustin Penner, it's so ludicrous that it isn't worth answering. Dustin Penner scored 39 goals and 84 points in his last AHL season (in just 59 games). Schremp's never even come close to that level of production.

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#82 joe
August 25 2009, 08:39AM
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Willis, I did not say Shremp has the right for the job, but I did say that because he was drafted by the team in the 1 round he has the right for a fair shot at the job and he did not have that shot in 4 years.

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#83 joe
August 25 2009, 08:44AM
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Willis, I olso asked to forget last year because the entire Springfield team, for some reason, had the bad year. Look at the results before that. If he knew how to play in 07 he did not forget how to play in 08

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#84 Jonathan Willis
August 25 2009, 08:44AM
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joe wrote:

Willis, I did not say Shremp has the right for the job, but I did say that because he was drafted by the team in the 1 round he has the right for a fair shot at the job and he did not have that shot in 4 years.

Can we all acknowledge something here, please:

In 2006-07, while Schremp was playing in Wilkes-Barre, Schremp was repeatedly healthy-scratched by coach Todd Richards. Richards was hired by Pittsburgh, and had no issues playing Marc Pouliot or Kyle Brodziak - he represents an impartial voice from outside the organization.

In other words: Rob Schremp wasn't ready for the NHL in 2006-07. Period.

In 2007-08 he came into training camp at a significant disadvantage due to injury, and last year he did nothing to earn NHL employment.

Saying he hasn't gotten a fair shot in four years is nonsense. If his AHL coach is scratching him, he's not ready for an NHL callup.

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#85 Jonathan Willis
August 25 2009, 08:45AM
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joe wrote:

Willis, I olso asked to forget last year because the entire Springfield team, for some reason, had the bad year. Look at the results before that. If he knew how to play in 07 he did not forget how to play in 08

My latest article deals with that theory.

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#86 Bob Cob
August 25 2009, 08:57AM
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Jonathon, If you where Quinn or Renney how would you handle Schremp and what would be your requirements for him staying for a longer stint with the big club?

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#87 Jon
August 25 2009, 09:06AM
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Shremp has not been treated poorly by MacT or anyone else, but for some reason some of his supporters have blinders on. Shremp is a prospect. Prospects earn ice time through a mix of enthusiasm, commitment, coach'ability, skill, results, etc. Unless you are a true prodigy, there are no free rides, and perhaps he'll realize that before it's too late. Reddox is more valuable and more deserving of Shremp ... it's that simple. Drop the MacT-conspiracy claims, Shremp has simply not lived up to some people's inflated expectations which is no one fault, but his own.

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#88 Ogden Brother
August 25 2009, 09:11AM
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joe wrote:

Willis, I did not say Shremp has the right for the job, but I did say that because he was drafted by the team in the 1 round he has the right for a fair shot at the job and he did not have that shot in 4 years.

This is getting to the point of mind numbing. Their are development leagues under the NHL, they are designed to give teams a chance to develop and EVALUATE talent without costing them games in the big league. This the point of the AHL - to see if guys are ready for the NHL without exposing them to your wins/lose record.

I would imagine the list of players that were average in the AHL and still produced in the NHL would be very very short (or just plain non-existant)

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#89 Jonathan Willis
August 25 2009, 09:17AM
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@ Bob Cob:

Basically he'd either need to win a top-six job (pretty unlikely) or I'd need to run out a specialty fourth line.

Honestly, though, I'd look at the guys up front with similar skillsets (Gagner, O'Sullivan, Cogliano, Nilsson, Potulny) and tell Steve Tambellini that I have just too many forwards with deficiencies in size/two-way play and that he should thin the herd a little.

If Schremp left, fine. If not, he'd get someone's spot who had departed.

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#90 Jonathan Willis
August 25 2009, 09:24AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

If Schremp left, fine. If not, he’d get someone’s spot who had departed.

Provided that he could outplay Ryan Potulny.

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#91 Scott
August 25 2009, 09:34AM
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We can rip into the Oilers’ recent draft record a lot, but they’ve generally been pretty good at evaluating their drafted prospects and ensuring that the good ones have made their team. Over the years, I can only think of a half-dozen or so Oiler draftees whom they let go only to see them turn into decent NHLers – guys like Martin Rucinsky, David Vyborny, Kirk Maltby, Jason Chimera, Miro Satan and maybe Tyler Wright. Of course, one might argue that the reason why they haven’t had prospects come back to burn them is that that they don’t draft well, but that’s another argument for another day. The problem is the Oilers have certainly never had the luxury of wasting prospects and they don’t now with Schremp. I think he deserves a long, long look at camp and I hope that Quinn and Renney will be the only ones who get to do the looking. It will be good for him to have fresh sets of eyes and fresh attitudes evaluating him. Seven games for a prospect of his scoring calibre drafted five years ago is borderline embarassing, especially for a team that’s missed the playoffs for three straight years. I’m not saying he’s the franchise’s saviour but I am suggesting that it’s hard to get much of an opinion of him if you’ve only played him for a few minutes in a handful of games spread over three years.

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#92 Ogden Brother
August 25 2009, 09:41AM
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Scott wrote:

but I am suggesting that it’s hard to get much of an opinion of him if you’ve only played him for a few minutes in a handful of games spread over three years.

Thankfully the team is able to form an opinion on him based on 100+ games at a lower level.

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#93 Chris.
August 25 2009, 09:57AM
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@ joe: @ Travis Dakin:

The draft is important: it's the best way to find your own high end talent. I believe in carefully developing young players in the minor leagues. AHLers will get NHL playing time filling in for injured regulars, and will eventually force management to make a decision about opening up a regular spot either based on merit, or waiver eligibility, or both. There is no need to rush players in thier early twenties.

It's my opinion that Oilers fans overvalue potential. Through the 90's. Lowe and the EIG couldn't afford to keep a full lineup of legit NHL players; so the spin-masters were in full force convincing the average fan that youth and upward potential is all-important... Somehow, not being good enough is okay: as long as you MAY EVENTUALLY be good enough; and thus the never ending cycle of development. Times have changed. Let's collectively adjust our expectations.

It is generally recognized in the hockey world (with some exceptions) that most hockey players steadily improve until they are around 28 years old, and then slowly decline. The Oilers have historically given roster spots to young players who are no doubt on the rise, but are clearly not yet ready to be NHL regulars. It's frusterating watching players in their early twenties burn through their two way contract, become waiver eligible, achieve RFA status; and be only one short contract away from full UFA status just as they are ready to positively contribute against legit opposition. For years we have done all the heavy lifting for other organizations.

Looking at the current roster: much has been made of the age gap in the room. Other than Gilbert, and Hemsky; Lowe has almost NOBODY under contract who is in the prime of their careers. Right now, the Oilers are paying huge dollars and term to guys on the downward slope of their carreers while gambling heavily that unproven players will "step up". This is an insane way to run a hockey club. Ideally, Cogliano would just now be breaking into a locker room of steady established professionals in their late twenties and early thirties having just earned his first one-way contract with a signifigant term at a low overall cap hit. Meanwhile, older players who can still be counted on to contriute in a predictable manner would be working on short term contracts in case their play suddenly tailed off. This is how smart mangers assemble competative teams.

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#94 Chris.
August 25 2009, 10:04AM
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@ Antony Ta:

Schremp in no Dan Cleary. Dan Cleary was drafted as a scorer but never really panned out as such. But at least he can effectively play in a bottom six role... Schremp can't. Skill guys like Sakic, Yzerman, and eventually Getzlaf (when he ages) can contribute on ANY line. That is why Sakic and Yzerman had twenty year careers and Schremp won't.

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#95 Joe
August 25 2009, 10:09AM
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@ Scott: You are right. They are probobly going to trade him to another team and when he starts kicking a$$ including Oilers a$$ they will say Oh we made a misstake but who knew. Well there are a lot of people who knew. Hello Miro Satan who knew?

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#96 Jonathan Willis
August 25 2009, 10:25AM
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@ Joe:

Just like Jason Bonsignore did... oh, right.

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#97 Joe
August 25 2009, 10:37AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Joe: Just like Jason Bonsignore did… oh, right.

Jason Bonsignore was brain dead when they got him. And whoever got him was brain dead. You can't compare the two otherwise you have to say that whoever drafted Shremp was brain dead. I wonder who was it who drafted Shremp? Do you know his name?

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#98 Scott
August 25 2009, 10:51AM
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@ Chris.:

And you know what, Chris? You could be right. Schremp could very well be completely unsuited for bottom-six duty in the NHL. But my point is this: How do we really know what type of NHL duty Schremp is suited for? He's hardly played in the NHL.

Ogden Brother makes an excellent point: You can often get a good assessment of what a player will be like by watching him in the minors, especially guys like Schremp who have played 100 games in the AHL. But I don't think it's an exact science. There are plenty of guys who were so-so in the AHL whose skills better lent themselves to the NHL.

And yeah, there are guys like Cleary who reinvented themselves from skill players to role players. But at least Cleary was given a chance to do it.

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#99 Ogden Brother
August 25 2009, 10:57AM
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Scott wrote:

There are plenty of guys who were so-so in the AHL whose skills better lent themselves to the NHL.

I highly, highly doubt that.

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#100 Vaclav
August 25 2009, 11:10AM
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Joe wrote:

@ Scott: You are right. They are probobly going to trade him to another team and when he starts kicking a$$ including Oilers a$$ they will say Oh we made a misstake but who knew. Well there are a lot of people who knew. Hello Miro Satan who knew?

I didn't realize the Oilers played regular season games against Novokuznetsk Metallurg.

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