Live at Training Camp 2009: Day Two

Jason Gregor
September 14 2009 09:36AM

welcome-to-camp

I learned from yesterday, so I wasn’t a keener and here for the first session at 8:15 that just involved drills and skating. Got here at 9:00 just as the zamboni was finishing up, and now we should see some scrimmaging.

Here are the lineups for the first scrimmage:

TEAM BLUE

O’Sullivan Horcoff Hemsky Stone Schremp Linglet Bates Paukovich MacMurchy

Souray Dudas Motin Wild

Dubnyk and Mucha

TEAM WHITE

Moreau Cogliano Pisani Reddox Potulny Fretter Comrie Brennan Lazo

Staios Smid Young Nickerson

Khabibulin and Roy

Scrimmage started at 9:25. Not much happens for the first five minutes, the guys were more concerned on what rules they were going to play, although they do have two WHL linesmen running the game.

9:30…Big hit as Brennan lays out Motin right in front of the benches. Motin will have to learn quickly that he can’t admire his passes in the AHL.

9:31..Cogliano beats Horcoff in a draw in the neutral zone. Maybe Horcoff wants to give Cogliano some confidence or Cogliano has improved. I’ll count Cogliano’s draws all day. So far he is 2-0.

9:35…There hasn’t been one good scoring chance so far. Schremp had a 40-foot snapper from the hash marks that Khabibulin handled easily, other than that it has been mostly neutral zone play and breakouts.

9:37…Smid almost scores on a weak wrister from the left point. If he scores in an inter squad scrimmage he’ll score twice this year.

9:38…Russ Eliuk, one of the refs talks to Quinn about calling penalties. Quinn wants him to call it straight up, so we should see some penalties soon.

9:40…Schremp with a hit on Fretter. Okay it wasn’t huge, but he did lean into him and for Schremp that is a good sign. Crowd of about 400 here this morning, and many are having flashbacks to last season. The Oilers, as you recall, weren’t stellar at home, and 15 minutes into the scrimmage neither team has done much.

9:41…It is great watching them skate with no advertising on the boards, brings me back to my childhood when in the 80s rink board advertising wasn’t even thought of.

9:42…Comrie tries a toe-drag around Dudas, and it just about works but Dudas gets a skate blade on it, Brennan follows in with a rebound.

9:44…Horcoff opens the scoring on a broken play and Blue leads one to nothing.

9:47...Penalty shot...MacMurchy comes in across the blueline and snaps one five hole and team blue leads 2-0.

Wayne Fleming and Kelly Buchberger are coaching blue, while Quinn and Renney are on the white bench. Quinn is actually running the door. Okay, he isn't opening it every time, but he does open it up for a few guys. He definitely doesn't have an attitude that he is bigger than anyone else.

9:49...They break for a few minutes and change goalies. Roy is now in for team white replacing Khabibulin and Mucha comes in for Dubnyk for blue.

9:50..Cogliano gets schooled on the draw. It is a faceoff in his zone to the right of Roy. Horcoff goes straight ahead, and then passes it to Hemsky for a tap in goal. 3-0 Blue. Cogliano 2-1 in faceoffs. Crowd calls for a replay. They applaud the goal.

9:53...Team white has done nothing offensively. Brennan rips a 40 foot slapper and I think that is there 4th shot on goal. Not a good day for team white so far.

9:54...Great forecheck by Pisani, he knocks down a Hemsky pass and then strips Horcoff and dishes a soft pass back to Staios, who rips a one-timer just over the bar. Best sequence for white.

9:56...MacMurchy rips his second of the day, a nice snap shot from the slot over Roy's glove. MacMurchy had nine goals and 26 points in 33 games for Stockton last year. He is hoping to make the jump to the AHL this year. He isn't that big, but if he can finish he might have a chance to play for Daum. 4-0 team blue.

10:00..Blue continues the onslaught as Horcoff takes a pass from Hemsky after a turn over and rips a slap slot just inside the left post on Roy. Nickerson gave the puck away and is he ever slow. He is big and he might be able to play in the AHL, but his footspeed is noticeably lacking.

10:01...Call off the dogs...Souray jumps in from the blue line and snaps a rebound just under the bar for a 6-0 lead.

10:03...Pisani breaks the shut out as he takes a Cogliano pass in the slot and snaps one over the pad of Mucha, just inside the post. 6-1 team blue.

10:06...What a pass by Schremp. He circled behind the net came up the left boards and saucered a pass through five players to a streaking Motin at the right crease. Motin hits the outside of the post. But still a great pass by Schremp.

10:08...They decide to play four-on-four for a few minutes and nothing happens.

10:10...They are now doing a shootout...Schremp scores on his first three before Mucha stops him on the 4th try. Each team is given seven pucks and they go until they score seven. If a player is stopped he has to retrieve the puck and bring it back to centre.

Linglet for blue...Potulny scores for team white...Paukovich with a nice top shelf job for blue...Cody Wild buries one right on the ice and blue needs one more for the win..Potulny with his second for White...Lazo scores two for white and now next goal wins... Linglet off the bench for blue and rips home his second of the shootout and team blue wins. White has to skate two laps.

First scrimmage ends, now they will scrape the ice and the other group will come out for drills and then scrimmage later.

Brule left yesterday because he was sick, but he is back on the ice today and feeling much better.

10:58...About 20 minutes into drills, Quinn blows a whistle and has a meeting at centre ice. He doesn't read the riot act, but you can hear him tell the group to stop wasting their time and do the drill properly and efficiently. After the brief chat the pace and execution is noticeably better.

For the a second scrimmage the lineup looks like this.

TEAM BLUE

Penner Gagner Eberle Nilsson Brule Minard Lerg Trukhno McDonald

Grebeshkov Gilbert Plante Bendfeld

Pitton and JDD

TEAM WHITE

Jacques Pouliot Stortini Cornet O'Marra MacIntyre Czuy Kytnar Emmerson

Chorney Strudwick Arsene Taylor Prout

Perugini and Sorochan

11:39...Scrimmage starts..on paper team blue looks much better. I'm stunned that JDD isn't in goal for team white at least so he could get some shots.

11:40...Faster pace than the morning session, but so far no chances either way.

11:42...Brule fans on a one-timer from Eberle....seconds later O'Marra breaks in alone for team white and slides it five hole. White leads 1-0.

11:43...Pouliot wins a draw in his own zone. He'll be the guy I watch faceoff wise this session.

11:45...Not much happening and it got me thinking about how bad my Fish were yesterday. They had 13 turnovers all of last year, but they had four yesterday. Wake up Pennington, and feel free to have back-to-back productive seasons for once...

11:46... So far team blue hasn't done much. They might have more paper skill, but white works hard. Riley Emmerson is freaking huge. 6'8", 248 pounds. He leaned on Minard against the board and Minard felt it. Emmerson had three goals and nine points in nine games last year in the AHL. Not bad.

11:47...Arsene crushes McDonald...and instead of penalties the team gets a penalty shot. McDonald walks in, fakes backhand and then roofs a forehand over a sprawled out Perugini. 1-1.

11:49...White back out in front...Chorney takes a shot from the left point and Cornet redirects it past Pitton. 2-1 white.

11:50...McDonald comes back with a hit of his own on Arsene in the neutral zone. So far McDonald has been involved a lot.

11:52... Gagner brings into the offensive zone, button hooks at the left hashmarks and saucers one to Penner. His long range one-timer is handled easily by Perugini. That line hasn't done much so far.

11:54..Pouliot loses draw at centre...he is 1-1...

11:55..Low battery light for my laptop just came on...hopefully it last a bit longer...

11:56...Pouliot wins faceoff in offensive zone cleanly to Jacques who gets a good shot away. Pitton covers up...Bendfeld and Stortini push and shove in front of the goal, and on next draw, which Pouliot wins, Stortini takes a healthy few strides at Bendfeld. This session has been much more entertaining than the morning one. Pouliot 3-1 in draw.

11:59: Quick few minute break.

12:03...Nilsson dominates this shift. Enters the zone with lots of speed dances around two guys on team white, battles against the wall and then has a saucer pass knocked out of the air. He then hustles back on the back check. His best shift by far.

12:07..MacIntryre is laying the body. He hit Minard last shift and now this team he leaned into Penner against the wall, and then walked over Grebeshkov to get the puck out of the zone. He is a guy who has to play that way even in a scrimmage. Gagner line had their best shift v. MacIntrye's line. Had a good cycle going.

12:12...reboot computer...wireless went down.

12:13...They switch and start playing four on four.

12:15...Brule controls the puck for 20 seconds in the offensive zone, he circles back to the left point, feathers a pass to Plante who walks in from the right point and rips one under the bar. Great shot and we are tied at 2.

12:16..McDonald draws another penalty and goes in on his second penalty shot, but this time he misplays the puck, trips over Sorochan's stick and doesn't score.

12:18... Gagner from behind the net puts a pass on Penner's tape and he one-timed it top shelf. The goal draws some oohs and ahhs from the crowd. 3-2 blue.

12:20...Now we go to the shoot out...Seven pucks for each team. They go until they score all seven. If a player misses he has to bring the puck back to centre.

12:22...Prout for white and Gagner for blue...both stopped... Kytnar scores for white...then Pouliot scores three times in a row...Penner with a nifty move and then McDonald reply for blue...Czuy burys two in a row for white. He has some nice hands....Cornet scores for white and they declare game over. That is only six goals, but they win and blue skates two laps with white in the middle of the ice watching....white then does some laps and Stortini blows a wheel behind the net and crashes into the end boards, which gets a laugh from his teammates.

Day two is done...I will try to get most of tomorrow's lineup later this afternoon.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Ogden Brother
September 14 2009, 09:39AM
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Hey Gregor, do they typically have this many people at training camp? If so, what's the point of going so deep? Seems alot of the names up their will barely have an AHL career, let alone NHL.

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#2 Happy Fan
September 14 2009, 09:52AM
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Glad that hockey season is getting underway. You guys do a great job here on the Nation. Glad you can be there and give us updates. I live in Red Deer so it's harder to get away to see games. Thanks

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#3 Ryan
September 14 2009, 09:57AM
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Thanks so much for these live updates, Jason. I need to stay awake in class somehow! This is perfect.

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#4 Smokin' Ray
September 14 2009, 10:01AM
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This is great Gregor. Glad to have you there. Thanks.

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#5 greenlightning86
September 14 2009, 10:01AM
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Live updates are awesome Jason.

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#6 jeff
September 14 2009, 10:04AM
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Are you hungover today, I thought I read Cogliano 2-1.

Thanks for the updates.

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#7 Fiveandagame
September 14 2009, 10:05AM
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You know what's awesome? HOCKEY!

Gregor thanks to your updates I can officially write off a day of work. I will be checking every 30 seconds for an update.

~I will now officially predict that Khabibulin has to start 70 + games for the Oilers to have a shot of making the playoff this year...~

*runs away screaming and hides under Star Wars bed sheets and hopes Mr. Brownlee's age has affected his memory*

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#8 JeffG
September 14 2009, 10:07AM
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and here I was thinking The Wall vs Dubnyk, with Dubnyk "winning" 2 - 0 was a bad score for the Wall.

Maybe not. LOL

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#9 RossCreek
September 14 2009, 10:08AM
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Hey Gregor, I assume the Millenium sessions Thurs are open?

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#10 Ogden Brother
September 14 2009, 10:09AM
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How does O'sully look with Hemsky/Horc?

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#11 Colin
September 14 2009, 10:11AM
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Well of course team blue is winning. They have 3 legitimate offensive NHL forwards, 2 semi/maybe NHLers(Shremp/Stone) and Souray.

White has Pisani, Cogliano and Comrie for offense and a punch of AHL/ECHLers.

It should be a spanking.

That said how late do these scrimmages go?, and if I'm feeling real lazy, is there free parking?

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#12 NBOilerFan
September 14 2009, 10:12AM
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Hey Gregor... a big. big thanks for these updates. Great stuff.

I'm hearing lots of Horcoff/Kemsky, how bout O'Sullivan, how's he looking along side of them?

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#13 knobert
September 14 2009, 10:16AM
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does anyone know if we will be able to watch the pre-season games anywhere??

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#14 no clue
September 14 2009, 10:18AM
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At Rexall.

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#15 ebi
September 14 2009, 10:18AM
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Mmmm... Schremp. He's playing just well enough to get cut by the Oilers but picked up by the Islanders. Do we get any kind of compensation if he's picked up off waivers?

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#16 Jeff
September 14 2009, 10:22AM
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LOL at rexall good one. But seriously tmrw on the Oilers website the game will be streamed. I think that's the case for every game.

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#17 Travis Dakin
September 14 2009, 10:23AM
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ebi wrote:

Do we get any kind of compensation if he’s picked up off waivers?

Just the sense of regret while we watch him and Tavares light it up.

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#18 no clue
September 14 2009, 10:23AM
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@ Knobert

If you go to the Oilers home page and look at the schedual, they also list the T.V. coverage. I think a couple of the games are televised.

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#19 jeff
September 14 2009, 10:24AM
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Gregor any word on those beer prices for the year?

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#20 travis
September 14 2009, 10:34AM
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@ rexall

I have been here the last couple of days and have noticed one thing... What is with Cogliano not skating. Yesterday he got yelled at by Bucky and today he doesn't even skate the two full laps with his losing team?? Has be forgotten about his best NHL skill?

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#21 ebi
September 14 2009, 10:34AM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

ebi wrote: Do we get any kind of compensation if he’s picked up off waivers? Just the sense of regret while we watch him and Tavares light it up.

That's too bad. Schremp is a useful piece for any team in need of a PP specialist and shootout wizard (e.g. an inexperienced but MUCH cheaper Kotalik). You gotta think that he wouldn't be able to pass through waivers...

...unless Pat Quinn can find his inner Mac-T and thrash him in a pre-season post-game interview.

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#22 jeff
September 14 2009, 10:35AM
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@ travis: Maybe he is acutally mad for being traded and then not traded?

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#23 Fiveandagame
September 14 2009, 10:35AM
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Schremp oh man, where were you two years ago when we had all sorts of openings in our top 6.... Why couldn't you have had your "Robbie Shremp" hockey up to NHL standards.... (sigh)

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#24 Quicksilver ballet
September 14 2009, 10:37AM
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So many passengers at training camp......must just piss Quinn off to be wasting this valuable time. With 5 games in six nights starting tommorow will drastically shorten Quinn/Renneys' time to gauge the assets.

There's no reason to have more than 48-50 guys at camp.

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#25 travis
September 14 2009, 10:39AM
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Concessions say 8 for beer this year. I guess the pipes do get extra heroiny each year so it should take less

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#26 MrOiler
September 14 2009, 10:49AM
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Nice job, Gregor. These camp updates are great.

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#27 knobert
September 14 2009, 10:51AM
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@ no clue:

not the training sessions dumbass! the Pre-season Games vs other teams

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#28 Jimmy
September 14 2009, 10:54AM
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@ no clue:

I'll be watching one of them live at the MTS Centre! It's about time we had a decent team play a preseason game in Winnipeg. The flamers played the yotes here last year.

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#29 no clue
September 14 2009, 10:56AM
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@ Knobert

Ya thats right the pre-season games. Check the oilers web site under schedual, there is a tab at the top that you can toggle to pre-season (and TV is listed on the right)

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#30 LOIL
September 14 2009, 10:57AM
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Ya my buddy works at the club bar at rexall and told me this weekend that beers are going up in price.

On another note, whats with the shot glass sized beer glasses at the eskies game? All they are creating is an eternal beer line.

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#31 jeff
September 14 2009, 10:57AM
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@ Quicksilver ballet: I really don't even see the point in having more then 35 or so. Do they really want our NHL staff watching all these guys? Can't our AHL staff make decisions on these AHL guys?

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#32 no clue
September 14 2009, 10:59AM
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@ Jimmy

Seems silly that there is no NHL team in the "Peg", I feel for you brother. But at least you don't have to sit through a Flames (or Leafs) game! See the cup is half full.

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#33 Colin
September 14 2009, 11:01AM
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@ jeff:

Nothing wrong with letting the lower level players in the organization taste the dream for a couple days, most of them will be cut before the preseason games anyway.

It certainly can't hurt to give them some hope, treat them nice and give them a taste of the bigs. That's the sort of thing that makes you want to do your best for someone after all.

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#34 jeff
September 14 2009, 11:03AM
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@ Colin: I don't mind seeing our prospects such as Eberle and Plante and so forth given the chance. At least it gives the club a chance to let the player know what they should work on, but some of these guys in camp are just a waste. 8 goalies? For what?

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#35 no clue
September 14 2009, 11:05AM
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@ Colin

Unless its at the cost of the guys that might actually contribute to the team or the team as a whole.

Just a thought.

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#36 ScubaSteve
September 14 2009, 11:07AM
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Another team blue blowout coming up, could these squads be any more uneven in terms of skill level?

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#37 Asciutto
September 14 2009, 11:07AM
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“Well of course team blue is winning. They have 3 legitimate offensive NHL forwards, “

Were they matching lines? Because ECHLer MacMurchy scored twice

Bates Paukovich MacMurchy vs Comrie Brennan Lazo

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#38 JeffG
September 14 2009, 11:08AM
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Blue #2 should crush White #2

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#39 jeff
September 14 2009, 11:08AM
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Nice to see that the players are still playing lazy. Hopefully they smarten up after Quinn talked to them.

You know half of these guys will never see the NHL, it is a little suprising that they aren't giving 100%.

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#40 Fiveandagame
September 14 2009, 11:08AM
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@ jeff: I think it's important for the players we have to get to see life in the bigs. It creates a winning atmosphere. Look at a player like Tim Thomas, wasn't an NHL regular until 34. I say keep the dream alive. Who cares it's only a few days.

On the other end, our top players have a few lower level guys to hone their skills against. Can't be bad for the confidence of our NHL guys to light the lamp and undress a few weaker opponents.

It also is a cost saving measure as Stockton and Springfield have shorter training camps because everyone is here, in one place as opposed to 3 places.

I don't mind it as long as the first 20 cuts happen quickly.

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#41 Bob Cob
September 14 2009, 11:09AM
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Schremp is not making the Oilers this year. With Comrie, Nilsson, Potulny, Brule, Reddox, Pouliot, McIntyre and possibly Jacques ahead of Schremp, he has no chance. They had an NHL vet with better hands, size and a harder shot last year in Kotalik and they let him walk, why would they keep a smaller version in Schremp. Consider him NYI property when the year starts.

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#42 Jason Gregor
September 14 2009, 11:11AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

You don't want your veterans playing that many preseason games. This camp is smaller than ones I remember when they used to have close to 66 or 70 players.

Ogden Brother wrote:

How does O’sully look with Hemsky/Horc?

I didn't notice him much in the scrimmage, but he didn't look bad. He will play tomorrow in Calgary with Stone and Comrie.

Colin wrote:

That said how late do these scrimmages go?, and if I’m feeling real lazy, is there free parking?

Yes parking is free. Scrimmage will start around 11:30 I'm guessing.

@ RossCreek:

As for Thursday's practice at Millennium it is open to the public if you want to take a look.

ebi wrote:

Mmmm… Schremp. He’s playing just well enough to get cut by the Oilers but picked up by the Islanders. Do we get any kind of compensation if he’s picked up off waivers?

They would get nothing if he is claimed. The Islanders have to pay a small fee, around $45,000. I'm not sure if the money goes to the Oilers or the league. I will find out.

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#43 Oil&Water
September 14 2009, 11:17AM
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If O'Sullivan sticks on the line with Horcoff and Hemsky, the line could be called H2O!

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#44 Fiveandagame
September 14 2009, 11:17AM
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TSN released it's player point predictions and rankings. Top Oiler? Ales Hemsky at 47th with 66 points.....

Apparently they don't know O'Sullivan is going to light it up like Ovie...

Two words TSN

Boo -erns

hxxp://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=11940

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#45 leftwinger9
September 14 2009, 11:19AM
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Hey Gregor,

Rockin' the green hoodie this morning! Was that the approximate color of your hangover face yesterday?

I thought Schremp, Comrie and Smid were the best of the bunch this morning. I'm excited to see what Eberle and Nilsson look like in the scrimmage.

Keep up the good work!

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#46 Jimmy
September 14 2009, 11:19AM
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@ no clue:

We had some really great AHL action last year, but the Moose have basically been dismantled as one or two of the difference-makers will likely get called up to the nucks. The main problem is the short-sightedness of building an arena that only seats 15,000 people.

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#47 Fiveandagame
September 14 2009, 11:21AM
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Oh and Visnofsky isn't even on the list which means they predict he'll score less than 35pts. Same goes for Gilbert....

(alla John Cleese) "TSN I fart in your general direction..."

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#48 Colin
September 14 2009, 11:22AM
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Thanks for the coverage again Gregor, it's really appreciated.

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#49 ScubaSteve
September 14 2009, 11:24AM
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The TSN rankings are joke, pretty much every player is within 2-4 points up or down from what they scored last year. Useless, just useless.

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#50 JeffG
September 14 2009, 11:26AM
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@ Fiveandagame: Gilbert listed at 40pts at 199th

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