Live at Training Camp 2009: Day Two

Jason Gregor
September 14 2009 09:36AM

welcome-to-camp

I learned from yesterday, so I wasn’t a keener and here for the first session at 8:15 that just involved drills and skating. Got here at 9:00 just as the zamboni was finishing up, and now we should see some scrimmaging.

Here are the lineups for the first scrimmage:

TEAM BLUE

O’Sullivan Horcoff Hemsky Stone Schremp Linglet Bates Paukovich MacMurchy

Souray Dudas Motin Wild

Dubnyk and Mucha

TEAM WHITE

Moreau Cogliano Pisani Reddox Potulny Fretter Comrie Brennan Lazo

Staios Smid Young Nickerson

Khabibulin and Roy

Scrimmage started at 9:25. Not much happens for the first five minutes, the guys were more concerned on what rules they were going to play, although they do have two WHL linesmen running the game.

9:30…Big hit as Brennan lays out Motin right in front of the benches. Motin will have to learn quickly that he can’t admire his passes in the AHL.

9:31..Cogliano beats Horcoff in a draw in the neutral zone. Maybe Horcoff wants to give Cogliano some confidence or Cogliano has improved. I’ll count Cogliano’s draws all day. So far he is 2-0.

9:35…There hasn’t been one good scoring chance so far. Schremp had a 40-foot snapper from the hash marks that Khabibulin handled easily, other than that it has been mostly neutral zone play and breakouts.

9:37…Smid almost scores on a weak wrister from the left point. If he scores in an inter squad scrimmage he’ll score twice this year.

9:38…Russ Eliuk, one of the refs talks to Quinn about calling penalties. Quinn wants him to call it straight up, so we should see some penalties soon.

9:40…Schremp with a hit on Fretter. Okay it wasn’t huge, but he did lean into him and for Schremp that is a good sign. Crowd of about 400 here this morning, and many are having flashbacks to last season. The Oilers, as you recall, weren’t stellar at home, and 15 minutes into the scrimmage neither team has done much.

9:41…It is great watching them skate with no advertising on the boards, brings me back to my childhood when in the 80s rink board advertising wasn’t even thought of.

9:42…Comrie tries a toe-drag around Dudas, and it just about works but Dudas gets a skate blade on it, Brennan follows in with a rebound.

9:44…Horcoff opens the scoring on a broken play and Blue leads one to nothing.

9:47...Penalty shot...MacMurchy comes in across the blueline and snaps one five hole and team blue leads 2-0.

Wayne Fleming and Kelly Buchberger are coaching blue, while Quinn and Renney are on the white bench. Quinn is actually running the door. Okay, he isn't opening it every time, but he does open it up for a few guys. He definitely doesn't have an attitude that he is bigger than anyone else.

9:49...They break for a few minutes and change goalies. Roy is now in for team white replacing Khabibulin and Mucha comes in for Dubnyk for blue.

9:50..Cogliano gets schooled on the draw. It is a faceoff in his zone to the right of Roy. Horcoff goes straight ahead, and then passes it to Hemsky for a tap in goal. 3-0 Blue. Cogliano 2-1 in faceoffs. Crowd calls for a replay. They applaud the goal.

9:53...Team white has done nothing offensively. Brennan rips a 40 foot slapper and I think that is there 4th shot on goal. Not a good day for team white so far.

9:54...Great forecheck by Pisani, he knocks down a Hemsky pass and then strips Horcoff and dishes a soft pass back to Staios, who rips a one-timer just over the bar. Best sequence for white.

9:56...MacMurchy rips his second of the day, a nice snap shot from the slot over Roy's glove. MacMurchy had nine goals and 26 points in 33 games for Stockton last year. He is hoping to make the jump to the AHL this year. He isn't that big, but if he can finish he might have a chance to play for Daum. 4-0 team blue.

10:00..Blue continues the onslaught as Horcoff takes a pass from Hemsky after a turn over and rips a slap slot just inside the left post on Roy. Nickerson gave the puck away and is he ever slow. He is big and he might be able to play in the AHL, but his footspeed is noticeably lacking.

10:01...Call off the dogs...Souray jumps in from the blue line and snaps a rebound just under the bar for a 6-0 lead.

10:03...Pisani breaks the shut out as he takes a Cogliano pass in the slot and snaps one over the pad of Mucha, just inside the post. 6-1 team blue.

10:06...What a pass by Schremp. He circled behind the net came up the left boards and saucered a pass through five players to a streaking Motin at the right crease. Motin hits the outside of the post. But still a great pass by Schremp.

10:08...They decide to play four-on-four for a few minutes and nothing happens.

10:10...They are now doing a shootout...Schremp scores on his first three before Mucha stops him on the 4th try. Each team is given seven pucks and they go until they score seven. If a player is stopped he has to retrieve the puck and bring it back to centre.

Linglet for blue...Potulny scores for team white...Paukovich with a nice top shelf job for blue...Cody Wild buries one right on the ice and blue needs one more for the win..Potulny with his second for White...Lazo scores two for white and now next goal wins... Linglet off the bench for blue and rips home his second of the shootout and team blue wins. White has to skate two laps.

First scrimmage ends, now they will scrape the ice and the other group will come out for drills and then scrimmage later.

Brule left yesterday because he was sick, but he is back on the ice today and feeling much better.

10:58...About 20 minutes into drills, Quinn blows a whistle and has a meeting at centre ice. He doesn't read the riot act, but you can hear him tell the group to stop wasting their time and do the drill properly and efficiently. After the brief chat the pace and execution is noticeably better.

For the a second scrimmage the lineup looks like this.

TEAM BLUE

Penner Gagner Eberle Nilsson Brule Minard Lerg Trukhno McDonald

Grebeshkov Gilbert Plante Bendfeld

Pitton and JDD

TEAM WHITE

Jacques Pouliot Stortini Cornet O'Marra MacIntyre Czuy Kytnar Emmerson

Chorney Strudwick Arsene Taylor Prout

Perugini and Sorochan

11:39...Scrimmage starts..on paper team blue looks much better. I'm stunned that JDD isn't in goal for team white at least so he could get some shots.

11:40...Faster pace than the morning session, but so far no chances either way.

11:42...Brule fans on a one-timer from Eberle....seconds later O'Marra breaks in alone for team white and slides it five hole. White leads 1-0.

11:43...Pouliot wins a draw in his own zone. He'll be the guy I watch faceoff wise this session.

11:45...Not much happening and it got me thinking about how bad my Fish were yesterday. They had 13 turnovers all of last year, but they had four yesterday. Wake up Pennington, and feel free to have back-to-back productive seasons for once...

11:46... So far team blue hasn't done much. They might have more paper skill, but white works hard. Riley Emmerson is freaking huge. 6'8", 248 pounds. He leaned on Minard against the board and Minard felt it. Emmerson had three goals and nine points in nine games last year in the AHL. Not bad.

11:47...Arsene crushes McDonald...and instead of penalties the team gets a penalty shot. McDonald walks in, fakes backhand and then roofs a forehand over a sprawled out Perugini. 1-1.

11:49...White back out in front...Chorney takes a shot from the left point and Cornet redirects it past Pitton. 2-1 white.

11:50...McDonald comes back with a hit of his own on Arsene in the neutral zone. So far McDonald has been involved a lot.

11:52... Gagner brings into the offensive zone, button hooks at the left hashmarks and saucers one to Penner. His long range one-timer is handled easily by Perugini. That line hasn't done much so far.

11:54..Pouliot loses draw at centre...he is 1-1...

11:55..Low battery light for my laptop just came on...hopefully it last a bit longer...

11:56...Pouliot wins faceoff in offensive zone cleanly to Jacques who gets a good shot away. Pitton covers up...Bendfeld and Stortini push and shove in front of the goal, and on next draw, which Pouliot wins, Stortini takes a healthy few strides at Bendfeld. This session has been much more entertaining than the morning one. Pouliot 3-1 in draw.

11:59: Quick few minute break.

12:03...Nilsson dominates this shift. Enters the zone with lots of speed dances around two guys on team white, battles against the wall and then has a saucer pass knocked out of the air. He then hustles back on the back check. His best shift by far.

12:07..MacIntryre is laying the body. He hit Minard last shift and now this team he leaned into Penner against the wall, and then walked over Grebeshkov to get the puck out of the zone. He is a guy who has to play that way even in a scrimmage. Gagner line had their best shift v. MacIntrye's line. Had a good cycle going.

12:12...reboot computer...wireless went down.

12:13...They switch and start playing four on four.

12:15...Brule controls the puck for 20 seconds in the offensive zone, he circles back to the left point, feathers a pass to Plante who walks in from the right point and rips one under the bar. Great shot and we are tied at 2.

12:16..McDonald draws another penalty and goes in on his second penalty shot, but this time he misplays the puck, trips over Sorochan's stick and doesn't score.

12:18... Gagner from behind the net puts a pass on Penner's tape and he one-timed it top shelf. The goal draws some oohs and ahhs from the crowd. 3-2 blue.

12:20...Now we go to the shoot out...Seven pucks for each team. They go until they score all seven. If a player misses he has to bring the puck back to centre.

12:22...Prout for white and Gagner for blue...both stopped... Kytnar scores for white...then Pouliot scores three times in a row...Penner with a nifty move and then McDonald reply for blue...Czuy burys two in a row for white. He has some nice hands....Cornet scores for white and they declare game over. That is only six goals, but they win and blue skates two laps with white in the middle of the ice watching....white then does some laps and Stortini blows a wheel behind the net and crashes into the end boards, which gets a laugh from his teammates.

Day two is done...I will try to get most of tomorrow's lineup later this afternoon.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 jeff
September 14 2009, 11:26AM
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So who is looking better Comrie or Nilsson, Brule or Pouilot?

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#52 JeffG
September 14 2009, 11:27AM
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@ Fiveandagame: 219. Lubomir Visnovsky EDM D 10 28 38

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#53 Jason Gregor
September 14 2009, 11:28AM
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leftwinger9 wrote:

Hey Gregor, Rockin’ the green hoodie this morning! Was that the approximate color of your hangover face yesterday? I thought Schremp, Comrie and Smid were the best of the bunch this morning. I’m excited to see what Eberle and Nilsson look like in the scrimmage.

Green is my favourite colour, I was pumped to pull out the green hoodie today. Luckily I don't get green after a night of bending the elbow.

Funny you said Smid was good. I talked to him after and he thought they were awful, which his team was.

Horcoff and MacMurchy were good. I will be curious to see if Nilsson plays as well as he did yesterday.

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#54 Jason Gregor
September 14 2009, 11:30AM
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jeff wrote:

So who is looking better Comrie or Nilsson, Brule or Pouilot?

Nilsson by far. Brule left early yesterday. Comrie looked better this morning than he did yesterday. Pouliot, Nilsson and Brule are all coming up now so we will see.

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#55 Colin
September 14 2009, 11:32AM
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@ Fiveandagame:

It's a scott cullen article.

What do you expect?

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#56 Oilers Pride
September 14 2009, 11:33AM
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Hey Gregor,

I was hoping to see Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson. Any word on him?

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#57 Quicksilver ballet
September 14 2009, 11:34AM
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Oil&Water wrote:

If O’Sullivan sticks on the line with Horcoff and Hemsky, the line could be called H2O!

Still haven't gotten over the thought of the Triple H line.....Hemsky, Horcoff and Heatley.

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#58 Quicksilver ballet
September 14 2009, 11:36AM
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Is there somewhere we can watch Training camp online?

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#59 Colin
September 14 2009, 11:42AM
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@ Oilers Pride:

He's playing in europe this season, I think their season is already underway. It's a men's league I think, so the level oc competition should be fairly good.

Not sure of the team name though.

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#60 Travis Dakin
September 14 2009, 11:43AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Still haven’t gotten over the thought of the Triple H line…..Hemsky, Horcoff and Heatley.

As Steven Stills once said, "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."

Ha

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#61 Ender the Dragon
September 14 2009, 11:43AM
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For the second scrimmage it looks on paper to be even more lopsided than the first one.

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#62 wtf
September 14 2009, 11:48AM
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I would really like to see O'marra come in hear and get some attention for himself. Bang Crash and win draws. He will not make it but maybe get something positive going for him, kind of a sad waste of talent at this point.

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#63 The Towel Boy
September 14 2009, 11:50AM
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OMG! What happens at 11:45!!! There's just "dots" for an update! It leads me to believe something amazing happened at 11:45 and Gregor's update was cut short due to awesomeness.

*starts hitting refresh repeatedly*

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#64 The Towel Boy
September 14 2009, 11:52AM
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*wipes brow*

Thank god. The update has since been posted. Nothing crazy...just Gregor thinking about his Fish.

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#65 jeff
September 14 2009, 11:54AM
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Is Pouliot playing any bigger this year?

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#66 jeff
September 14 2009, 11:57AM
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Gregor

I looked up Emmerson on hockeydb and it showed 0 points in 42 games in Rochester with 107PIM.

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#67 DonDon
September 14 2009, 12:02PM
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See where today's Bleacher Report predicts 11th place for the Oil in the Western Conference. Questions the choice of Quinn as coach. Positive about young talent, but thinks the team is one or two seasons away from contending.

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#68 Tommy
September 14 2009, 12:03PM
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@Gregor

Are you kind of concerned about the effort, or lack thereof, displayed by the "NHL" guys so far? Or is this par for the course - AHL guys trying to impress and the NHL guys coasting?

Never seen a training camp scrimmage live blog before, but it is keeping me hitting refresh every couple of mins. Keep up the good work.

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#69 OYLer
September 14 2009, 12:06PM
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Well I'm green with envy not to have had your catbird seat watching the Horcorff scoffers wilt as he schooled and up & comer. Perhaps Cogs, Gags, MC and POS should be conscripted to audition as penalty kill specialist, vis-à-vis, Kris Draper. Shawn might then finally have his best offensive years ever!

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#70 jeff
September 14 2009, 12:07PM
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Seems that Tambo and company are really trying to make the Falcons a big tough team to play against. Seems to be the opposite up in the big leagues. Wonder if the two team will be playing different systems and if this will hurt when we call guys up?

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#71 misfit
September 14 2009, 12:10PM
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"Not much happening and it got me thinking about how bad my Fish were yesterday."

You mean to tell me there are people who actually cheer for the Dolphins? On purpose?

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#72 OYLer
September 14 2009, 12:15PM
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I'm pulling for a P3 chemistry to develop: Pender Potulny & Pisani

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#73 onehitwonder
September 14 2009, 12:29PM
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How about a line of: MacIntryre - Omarra - Schremp

They could call it the unemployment line.

I'm just kidding i like big mac, despite him being a cowboy.

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#74 Smokin' Ray
September 14 2009, 12:36PM
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Thanks again Gregor.

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#75 venue
September 14 2009, 12:38PM
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I want more!!!

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#76 Traktor
September 14 2009, 12:40PM
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Jason:

Thanks for the updates. I'm stuck in Calgary so its nice that you can bring a slice of Edmonton to me.

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#77 Ogden Brother
September 14 2009, 12:54PM
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Hey Gregor, how does Plant look in comparison to Peckham at this point?

Awesome job by the way.

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#78 Fiveandagame
September 14 2009, 01:02PM
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@ JeffG: Hmmm I see that the 40 I crushed for breakfast affected my vision... Where is the good doctor when I need him...

My apologies.

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#79 Jimmy
September 14 2009, 01:08PM
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Fiveandagame wrote:

@ JeffG: Hmmm I see that the 40 I crushed for breakfast affected my vision… Where is the good doctor when I need him… My apologies.

That's deep...

It is only through drinking that our true vision comes to be.

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#80 Gerald R. Ford
September 14 2009, 01:09PM
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@ Oilers Pride:

Like Colin said, he's playing in Sweden. The name of the team is the Timrå Red Eagles.

Looks like he's got a pretty slick web site for a kid, though. Might be a good place to check for updates during the year.

http://www.paajarvi.com/3/en-us/magnus-paeaejaervi-svensson/magnus-paeaejaervi-svensson.php

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#81 offside
September 14 2009, 01:26PM
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I made it to the second scrimmage, I'm no expert but the guys that stood out for me were Penner, Nilsson and Stortini. (Nilsson looked really good out there) Penner and Gagner looked pretty good together - I wonder if they'll be together this season. Plante's goal was nice.

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#82 jeff
September 14 2009, 01:35PM
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@ offside: How'd Plante look overall?

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#83 offside
September 14 2009, 01:38PM
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@ jeff: Didn't really follow him, from what I saw he looked good.

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#84 Greens
September 14 2009, 01:43PM
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@ jeff:

You could tell them he'll be in the AHL this year, but he made pretty good decisions overall. Real nice shot on his goal, jumped up on the rush once or twice.

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#85 Jason Gregor
September 14 2009, 01:46PM
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Tommy wrote:

Are you kind of concerned about the effort, or lack thereof, displayed by the “NHL” guys so far? Or is this par for the course – AHL guys trying to impress and the NHL guys coasting?

I wouldn't be that concerned at all. Veterans won't be going through the wall in an intersquad scrimmage, because there is no need to do it. The harsh reality is that those veterans will have to lose their spot. You wouldn't want to see Souray, for instance, crushing a guy on day one of camp.

I'm more curious to see how they play in the preseason, and I'll be there will be more jump from most than there has been in the past few years. They all want to earn the new coaching staff's respect.Traktor wrote:

Jason: Thanks for the updates. I’m stuck in Calgary so its nice that you can bring a slice of Edmonton to me.

Peckham isn't skating with the team due to an ankle injury so Plante looks better..haha. Plante scored a sweet goal in the second intermission today and he has looked okay. Both guys will be in Springfield. Peckham is way more aggressive, while Plante is a better skater in my mind.

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#86 Oilking1
September 14 2009, 02:07PM
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Hey Gregor,

How did McDonald and Eberle look out there?

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#87 Ogden Brother
September 14 2009, 02:22PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Peckham isn’t skating with the team due to an ankle injury so Plante looks better..haha. Plante scored a sweet goal in the second intermission today and he has looked okay. Both guys will be in Springfield. Peckham is way more aggressive, while Plante is a better skater in my mind.

Interesting, I always figured Plante was an aggressive guy too, hopefully he develops a little meaness as well.

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#88 Jason Gregor
September 14 2009, 03:42PM
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Oilking1 wrote:

Hey Gregor, How did McDonald and Eberle look out there?

McDonald was involved. Scored on a penalty shot, and missed on another. If you drew a penalty it resulted in a penalty shot, not a penalty. He was noticeable, but he has no chance of cracking this lineup out of camp.

Eberle didn't show much, but I don't put too much stock into intersquad scoring. I think he is a long shot to make it this year, but he will get a few preseason games for sure. It sounds like he will dress for Wednesday's game.

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#89 Westy
September 14 2009, 04:18PM
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I lurk a lot here and don't post often, but I felt compelled to give a big thanks to Jason Gregor and Oilers Nation. I am sure there are tons of us die-hard Oiler fans out there who would have dearly loved to attend the practice but had to work instead.

These updates are awesome and certainly the next best thing to attending! So, let me say thanks again for the excellent work here!

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#90 jfry
September 14 2009, 05:08PM
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agreed with all above who are thanking you for the updates.

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#91 Jamie
September 14 2009, 05:10PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I will try to get most of tomorrow’s lineup later this afternoon.

Did I miss this? Thanks, Jason!

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#92 Phil
September 14 2009, 05:39PM
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I was there this morning, but came shorty after group A scrimmaged.

Group B was pretty good, they really picked up towards the second half of their play.

That 6'8" dude looked pretty decent actually... Riley Emmerson or whatever his name is.

Brule didn't look have bad either.

The real star of the group B scrimmage though was Robert Nilsson. He was a beast on some shifts... lazer like accuracy with his passing, great vision, was dangling but not necessarily overhandling the puck and was all over the ice creating and backchecking.

Looked far superior to any other of the forwards IMO. Just training camp day 2 but he did really stick out.

Gilbert and Grebs were solid if unspectacular, Grebs struggled a few times, fell down, made some bad reads but overall was solid. Him and Gilbert are a great pairing and obviously have great chemistry on the ice.

Nilsson was the standout for me though, hands down. Afterwards, him and Gags worked on one timers from different angles for about 15 minutes... Nilsson's passing skills are tremendous and he has an excellent wrister...

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#93 Racki
September 14 2009, 07:43PM
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Hey Jason, thanks a million for the live updates. These are great to have when I'm stuck at work during that time!

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#94 Racki
September 14 2009, 08:00PM
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So, sorry to dig up an old topic, but last month it was brought up that the Oilers were convinced that Brule didn't have to clear waivers. Myself and others argued that this shouldn't be the case (i.e. he SHOULD need to clear waivers due to age/games played). Have the Oilers changed their tune here? I still presume he does, as Brule himself said today in an interview that he would need to clear waivers when asked about it. Again, all signs pointed to him needing to clear waivers, so I'm not sure what the Oilers were thinking at the time. But can we confirm yay or nay if he needs to clear?

Here is the old story on it: hxxp://www.oilersnation.com/2009/08/oilers-sign-rfas-smid-brule-and-stone/

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#95 SkinnyD
September 14 2009, 11:29PM
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I was at both scrimmages today, and actually disagree with some folks' takes on Nillson and Eberle - I thought they both stood out, for different reasons.

Eberle is going to be better than Gagner. Period. He creates chances...takes them himself...isn't afraid of the physical aspect and is very quick. Reminds me a lot of Patrick Kane - he's a slippery, smart little bastard. Plays extremely well without the puck and gets into position - never stops moving. Personally I do hope he goes back to Regina just simply due to his age and to gain muscle - but he's damn near ready to play here. He, Gagner, and Penner were the best line out there today - both scrimmages.

Nillson has sick skills and seems to be in killer shape - but he dangles, makes impressive moves, then loses the puck. Hemsky lite. I just don't think he's a smart player...skill or otherwise. He doesn't hold a candle to Eberle. All the opinion of an amateur, to be sure - but I don't really see anything different from him other than that he's faster and perhaps more confident - but I think his hockey sense is questionable and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not here for long.

Stortini, Macintyre and Pouliot are a sick energy line. They were fantastic.

I also liked O'Sullivan with Hemsky and Horcoff. Horcoff also looked great today.

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#96 SkinnyD
September 14 2009, 11:40PM
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Motin is a beast, and O'Marra was everywhere. Hopefully they both have good years in Springfield (unless Motin is in Europe or something?). I hadn't heard of him before camp - he was impressive. So was Mcdonald...we have plenty of grit coming up in the system - I'd say that bodes well...

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#97 SkinnyD
September 14 2009, 11:41PM
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Hmmm...Brule needing to clear waivers might explain the Oilers signing another centre like MC...I think it's a given that if Brule is waived he'll get claimed, Schremp too for that matter. Lowe's comment about replacing a small body fwd with another small body fwd makes a little more sense too if this scenario were to play out.

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