Pat Quinn Post-Game Comments

Jonathan Willis
September 16 2009 11:54PM

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The following is a transcript of Pat Quinn's comments to the media following the Oilers 3-2 preseason win over the New York Islanders.  Audio is available at the Oilers' official site.

Quinn: Early they came out with some vim and vigour, they jumped everything – according to Mike Sillinger, that’s the way they play. We weren’t expecting it, I don’t think; they challenged the passes and the puck everywhere. Early on, we get a rush and out player turns it over and that sets the tone for the next ten minutes or so, and it’s a bad thing. The ebb, flow, whatever you want to call it, it suddenly comes the other way and now you’ve got to get a hold of yourself again and for the first ten minutes – until they started taking penalties – we were under a lot of pressure and not ready for it.

Reporter: Is there much you’re not seeing out of Jordan Eberle that makes you believe he’s not ready to be an NHL’er?

Quinn: That’s the first game. We’ve been watching practice; I know Jordan has a lot of skill, and on a night like that when the whole group seemed to be surprised by what was going on and the aggressive pursuit of the puck by the Islander group, you get away from that early teamwork that we felt good about in our practices. We weren’t supporting the puck early, it was very individual and then we started guessing with the puck – and none of those things work. We finally, after the first period, seemed to get a little bit of a change in how we were playing and got ourselves some chances. Early on, especially on the power-plays we had a couple of ones that you thought were going to be in the net; we didn’t bear down well enough and they made a couple of good saves. It probably should have been 2 or 3-1 after the penalties since they scored the first one, 2 or 3-1 in our favour, but that’s what sports is; it wasn’t in our favour and we had to scramble.

Reporter: We’d love to have a mic on the bench and hear some of the things that you’re espousing to the players. Sam said he heard some things back there that “ok, yeah”, and Sheldon said the same thing, that you’re keeping them honest.

Quinn: It is early, and you tend to think that you’re going to get perfection right away. It doesn’t happen, and sometimes you may be impatient for that perfection. I’ve been experienced and around long enough to know that it’s ebb and flow. Early on, I just want to try to nip bad habits that are there and see if we can get them changed. Habits aren’t easy, as you all know, some of you smoke for crying out loud, I can smell it from here.

Reporter: (laughs) You’re missing it?

Quinn: (laughs) I am, as a matter of fact. Habits are tough to break.

Reporter: Two panes of glass from one player is pretty rare, right?

Quinn: I would rather see it break the net than break the glass. Well, not really; we know he can fire that thing with such great velocity and he’s got a tremendous shot, it’s his bread and butter for a lot of years. I’m sure the Rexall building people are starting to say ‘maybe we should get a penalty on him’ or something, you know…

Reporter: Send him the bill?

Quinn: Well…

Reporter: His legend’s growing now, with the shot.

Quinn: It’s funny what we cheer now a days, we cheer broken glass.

The only comment I'll make is this: I wonder if Quinn ever tried that hypnotist...

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Jimmy
September 17 2009, 11:48AM
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Reddox's only saving grace was his speed driving to the net in a couple of occasions. Other than that I can't see him starting with the big boys.

@ billmad: Pisani's my goat this year for that exact reason.

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#52 jeff
September 17 2009, 11:50AM
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@ Asciutto: No why would we look at the small things, especially an area the team sucked at last year.

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#53 I'm a Scientist!
September 17 2009, 11:54AM
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Sportsnet is reporting that Kessel trade is in the mix and should be done by the end of next week. They list 4 teams that would be interested, and not one of them is the oilers?!? shouldn't we throw some players at boston? Maybe lose two of our small forwards for one in return? MAP and Nillson perhaps?

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#54 jeff
September 17 2009, 11:58AM
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@ I'm a Scientist!: Boston doesn't have cap room (1mil) to take players on. Now why would they want MAP and Nilsson? TOR offer is probably what they are looking for. If we want Kessel it would probably cost Cogliano and a 1st, or Eberle and a 1st. Maybe more.

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#55 BigE57
September 17 2009, 12:08PM
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@ I'm a Scientist!: @ jeff:

Moving out any of those guys isn't likely to open enough cap room to sign Kessel, who's looking for well north of 4 mill if I'm not mistaken.

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#56 I'm a Scientist!
September 17 2009, 12:09PM
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@ jeff: Hmm, good point.

*returns to the SuperComputer and stops thinking for himself*

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#57 jeff
September 17 2009, 12:11PM
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@ BigE57: Yep that's the other problem.

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#58 venue
September 17 2009, 12:15PM
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@ I'm a Scientist!: I doubt Boston wants two inconsisent fringe NHL players for a 20 year old kid who scores 40 goals.

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#59 venue
September 17 2009, 12:16PM
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FAIL. *inconsistent*

Where is that edit button again??

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#60 Chris.
September 17 2009, 12:16PM
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billmad wrote:

@ Fish: Pisani was non-existent last night. Probably the worst out of all the supposed top 9 guys. I actually don’t mind Pisani but he did nothing last night.

Pisani is an important player for this club... though he isn't flashy, the club lacks depth in reliable, defensively sound wingers. I don't think Stortini is ready to play Pisani type minutes yet.

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#61 Zamboni Driver
September 17 2009, 12:19PM
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My fave part of the 'new treatment' that Quinn is giving the millionaire players is a wakeup call for one reason....

You Guys Suck.

You want some pampering?...make the playoffs, do well in the playoffs, the finals run was an unimpressive fluke and I'm Pat Frickin' Quinn.

That, I like.

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#62 Chris.
September 17 2009, 12:23PM
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Jimmy wrote:

Pisani’s my goat this year for that exact reason.

Do you expect twenty goals, or for Pisani to return a portion of his largish contract? I'm quessing that Pisani is playing out his last season as an Oiler before becomming a cap casualty... That said, don't underestimate Pisani's ability to stabilize that right side in a shutdown role. Pisani's health/injury problems are a big contributing factor to this club missing the playoffs the last three years: he's an important player.

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#63 cableguy
September 17 2009, 12:24PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Sportsnet is reporting that Kessel trade is in the mix and should be done by the end of next week. They list 4 teams that would be interested, and not one of them is the oilers?!? shouldn’t we throw some players at boston? Maybe lose two of our small forwards for one in return? MAP and Nillson perhaps?

and the cap space issues, for both boston and edmonton, get addressed how?

boston needs next to nothing back in return in terms of salary, and the oilers cant afford the 5ish mil kessel wants...

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#64 I'm a Scientist!
September 17 2009, 12:25PM
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@ venue: Sigh, dare to dream... dare to dream.

*rests his head on a pillow made of snow goose down as he looks blurry eyed at the angels fluttering by playing magical music on their harps*

siiiigh.

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#65 venue
September 17 2009, 12:26PM
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@ Chris.: I think that because of his injuries/setbacks people have not seen the type of player Pisani is capable of being and have forgotten what Pisani brings to the table. If he is back to his former self, people will soon see why he was a favourite here and very dependable NHL player.

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#66 Jimmy
September 17 2009, 12:27PM
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@ Chris.: The problem with Pisani is that everyone focuses on what he could do instead of focusing on what he does. He sure could make a difference when he's healthy or when he's on his game, but in terms of bang-for-your buck, I just don't see it.

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#67 I'm a Scientist!
September 17 2009, 12:28PM
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@ cableguy: Yup, that has been pointed out to me... thank you though. I was wrong.

@ I'm a Scientist!: Think before you speak idiot...

*goes back to saving the world*

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#68 venue
September 17 2009, 12:30PM
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@ I'm a Scientist!: Don't be so hard on yourself little buddy.. all of us oiler lunatics would love to somehow fit Kessel on this roster. Sadly, cannot happen.

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#69 BingBong
September 17 2009, 12:47PM
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Sykora just signed for $1.6 million for 1 year with Minnesota. Pretty good deal for a guy who scored 25 goals last year...

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#70 Jimmy
September 17 2009, 01:09PM
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Maybe I won't be able to blame him for all of the ills of the team this year, but would I take sykora for 1.6 instead if it opened up an additional 900k for a 1LW? In a heartbeat.

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#71 Chris.
September 17 2009, 01:16PM
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Gagner and Hemsky had better start limiting turnovers or Quinn will tune them up...

There has been so much focus and discussion on this site about who may benifit from a fresh set of eyes: I wonder who will suffer? Obviously Gagner is making this team; but will he automatically draw the gravey minutes he had under MacT if he continues to make brutal decisions with the puck in the neutral zone?

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#72 Chris.
September 17 2009, 01:22PM
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@ Jimmy:

Pisani's contract was signed after a fourteen goal playoff performance...

And I agree, there isn't a doubt in my mind the contract cap hit number is out of wack (Who could have forseen colitus?)...

But that said: name another defensively responsible RW in the organization whose skills are on par with Pisani's? IMO, Stortini and Reddox aren't ready to play those minutes yet. If Pisani can stay healthy, he can really supply some skills that aren't readily duplicated by many of the other forwards.

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#73 venue
September 17 2009, 01:28PM
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Chris. wrote:

Gagner and Hemsky had better start limiting turnovers or Quinn will tune them up… There has been so much focus and discussion on this site about who may benifit from a fresh set of eyes: I wonder who will suffer? Obviously Gagner is making this team; but will he automatically draw the gravey minutes he had under MacT if he continues to make brutal decisions with the puck in the neutral zone?

Lets not get crazy after watching game 1 of the preseason. Gagners pros heavily outweigh his cons; I think that is what enables him to draw the "gravey" minutes.

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#74 jeff
September 17 2009, 01:29PM
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@ Chris.: This is the problem there is no one to replace him. Not even for regular 5 on 5, but how about the PK? Now if we would've signed a Betts or Malhotra then it's easier to lose Pisani.

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#75 Ogden Brother
September 17 2009, 01:37PM
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Chris. wrote:

@ Jimmy: Pisani’s contract was signed after a fourteen goal playoff performance… And I agree, there isn’t a doubt in my mind the contract cap hit number is out of wack (Who could have forseen colitus?)… But that said: name another defensively responsible RW in the organization whose skills are on par with Pisani’s? IMO, Stortini and Reddox aren’t ready to play those minutes yet. If Pisani can stay healthy, he can really supply some skills that aren’t readily duplicated by many of the other forwards.

MAP is our closest thing to a Pie replacement IMO, he's a ways away still... hopefully in a few years (if he's still here) he can fill that role.

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#76 billmad
September 17 2009, 01:39PM
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@ Chris.: I guess a fair question is, what's his health status? Because if he is indeed healthy, he didn't show it.

I agree 100% that he's a very responsible player. In fact I would argue that him and Horc are the best two-way forwards on the team. He just didn't look like he gave it his all last night. And that's the exact opposite of what Quinn has been preaching.

Yes, he's a veteran. Yes, he's an assitant captain. And yes, even more because of that he should be setting an example for the kids that are busting their butts to make this team.

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#77 onehitwonder
September 17 2009, 01:42PM
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Who's an asscap? Pies?

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#78 jeff
September 17 2009, 01:42PM
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@ billmad: He said last year that it never effected him during games, yet he said there were some days that he woke up and he didn't feel like himself, just not game days.

Now do we believe him that it was never on game days? Personnally I rather him say it hurt him here or there otherwise he played as an inconsistent vet, something we don't need.

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#79 Jimmy
September 17 2009, 01:43PM
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@ Chris.:

Defensively responsible forwards who aren't expected to produce 20+ goals per season seem like they're easy to come by. People have been prattling off a list of UFAs since the draft. I just see a greater benefit in signing one of those, dumping Pisani, and having the cap space available for a prolific goal scorer should one become available. It gains us - if nothing else - a little bit of consistency on the IR front.

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#80 ScubaSteve
September 17 2009, 02:02PM
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Asciutto wrote:

60% on face-offs 8 of 15 were Own Zone draws I thought that line looked good

Yeah, he won some faceoffs, but would lose the puck if it ever got near him, didn't hit anyone, didn't get a shot, didn't miss the net with a shot, didn't even go offside, plus that line got hemmed in on 80% of their shifts. What part of it looked "good"?

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#81 Jonathan Willis
September 17 2009, 02:03PM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

Good writeup on the other site, but your MAP man crush showed through pretty hard. He was a play killer all night. 16 mins TOI and 0 Shots? Pretty ineffective. If this game is any measure, he doesn’t make the team.

Seriously? We saw different games from him, I guess. He was one of the few forwards who stood out in a good way for me.

I've always liked the way he plays, though.

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#82 Jonathan Willis
September 17 2009, 02:14PM
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ScubaSteve wrote:

Yeah, he won some faceoffs, but would lose the puck if it ever got near him, didn’t hit anyone, didn’t get a shot, didn’t miss the net with a shot, didn’t even go offside, plus that line got hemmed in on 80% of their shifts. What part of it looked “good”?

I'll acknowledge we're probably going to agree to disagree here, but...

I thought he looked good with the puck; made plays a few times and stirred the drink on that line (Trukhno was the play killer there).

His line was one of the few lines that got the puck out of their own end. The Hemsky line was the one that was hemmed in all night.

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#83 Chris.
September 17 2009, 02:17PM
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venue wrote:

Lets not get crazy after watching game 1 of the preseason. Gagners pros heavily outweigh his cons; I think that is what enables him to draw the “gravey” minutes.

I've seen Gagner play over a hundred games... and please understand: I Like Him! I Like Him A Lot! I believe Gagner has tremendous upside.

But let's face it, as he is now, Gagner is still a flawed player. Also, despite the assumptions of many amoung the nation: nobody knows how Quinn is going to assemble his lines. It's not a slam dunk that Gagner will autmatically play second line center. Quinn may prefer to play Cogliano in that role, or Comrie, or O'Sullivan, for that matter...

One game or not, if Eberle had played as poorly as Gagner did last night, he would probably already be out of the conversation for a roster spot.

Gagner was amoung a group of players that was often not held accountable under the old coaching regime... this will change.

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#84 Mike
September 17 2009, 02:44PM
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I expect Pisani will end up signing the Kirk Maltby / Kris Draper type of contract next year... a million dollars a year in the 4th line role.

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#85 RossCreek
September 17 2009, 02:51PM
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Here's a look I'd try: O'Sullivan-Horcoff-Hemsky Penner-Gagner-Cogliano Potulny-Comrie-Pisani Moreau-Brule-Stortini Stone MacIntyre

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#86 Jimmy
September 17 2009, 02:53PM
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I'd be okay with Pisani at 1 mil based on the last couple years, but I just don't see him fitting in a 4th line role - especially if our other 3 lines are scoring lines.

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#87 Fiveandagame
September 17 2009, 03:24PM
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@ RossCreek:

I'd take Eberle or Nilsson over Potulny on that third line. OR bump Cogs down to that line with Comrie and Pisani and slate Nilsson with gags and Pens. If you look at Gagner's goals at the tail end of last year NIlsson was involved in a majority of them. They seem to have good chemistry.

I also don't see the Oilers carrying MacIntyre all year.

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#88 scorecoff hemmercules
September 17 2009, 04:02PM
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Seems odd that no article has been posted today. I guess we were all a little spoiled this summer with at least 4 a day.

Wanye, Brownlee, Gregor, Amber...Where art thou?

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#89 Dr. Unk
September 17 2009, 04:12PM
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RossCreek wrote:

Here’s a look I’d try: O’Sullivan-Horcoff-Hemsky Penner-Gagner-Cogliano Potulny-Comrie-Pisani Moreau-Brule-Stortini Stone MacIntyre

Keeping Gagner and Cogliano on the same line makes sense to me, they had great chemistry together in their rookie years. Gagner's ability to know where to put the pass with Cogliano's speed was sweet to watch. But is Penner defensive minded enough to balance this line out?

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#90 venue
September 17 2009, 04:14PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

ScubaSteve wrote: Good writeup on the other site, but your MAP man crush showed through pretty hard. He was a play killer all night. 16 mins TOI and 0 Shots? Pretty ineffective. If this game is any measure, he doesn’t make the team. Seriously? We saw different games from him, I guess. He was one of the few forwards who stood out in a good way for me. I’ve always liked the way he plays, though.

I think you had your rose colored glasses on Jonathan. To me, it was the same old same old with MAP last night. I just don't get it with him..

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#91 venue
September 17 2009, 04:16PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

His line was one of the few lines that got the puck out of their own end. The Hemsky line was the one that was hemmed in all night.

I thought that Penner/Cogs/Eberle line was by far the best line for the Oilers last night. What did you think of them?

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#92 Jonathan Willis
September 17 2009, 04:18PM
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@ venue:

Completely agree on the Cogliano line. Easily the best group the Oilers threw out there, and it wasn't even close.

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#93 venue
September 17 2009, 04:19PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: I was actually quite surprised at the way Dustin Penner played. If he can keep that up over the course of the entire season he will definitely improve upon the numbers he posted last year.

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#94 The Menace
September 17 2009, 04:20PM
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Chris. wrote:

Obviously Gagner is making this team; but will he automatically draw the gravey minutes he had under MacT if he continues to make brutal decisions with the puck in the neutral zone?

venue wrote:

Lets not get crazy after watching game 1 of the preseason. Gagners pros heavily outweigh his cons; I think that is what enables him to draw the “gravey” minutes.

When is appropriate to say "gravey", and when should you use the more traditional "gravy"? Also, is it OK to sneak in "gravee" once and awhile?

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#95 The Menace
September 17 2009, 04:22PM
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venue wrote:

I was actually quite surprised at the way Dustin Penner played.

I'll bet he would enjoy the gravey minutes.

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#96 venue
September 17 2009, 04:23PM
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Chris. wrote:

Gagner was amoung a group of players that was often not held accountable under the old coaching regime… this will change.

I think that with young players in situations like the one Gagner was in it is a much better idea to let the young player make his mistakes and play through it rather than condemn him for it. And the difference with Sam Gagner was he at least put it an honest effort more often than not. Coaches can live with mistakes when the effort is still there.

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#97 venue
September 17 2009, 04:24PM
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The Menace wrote:

When is appropriate to say “gravey”, and when should you use the more traditional “gravy”? Also, is it OK to sneak in “gravee” once and awhile?

Gravee is only good in limited portions. Just ask PDP.

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#98 ScubaSteve
September 17 2009, 04:33PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

The Hemsky line was the one that was hemmed in all night.

No argument here, that line was brutal for all but 2 shifts in the 3rd.

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#99 Chris.
September 17 2009, 05:32PM
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venue wrote:

I think that with young players in situations like the one Gagner was in it is a much better idea to let the young player make his mistakes and play through it rather than condemn him for it.

Sorry. Wrong. If you can't perform at this level you shouldn't be at this level. Gagner will still be a "young player" for another three or four seasons... At what point is it reasonable for fans to expect consistant, responsible play without the excuses? IMO, players should be able to iron out most of the wrinkles in their game after 100 or so outings. A player should not be entitled to keep making the same mistakes again and again, season after season, just because he is still "young".

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#100 Chris.
September 17 2009, 06:04PM
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Further to my thoughts:

Listen to Quinn's most recent comments on the Oilers website. It's clear that Quinn is talking about the Gagner giveaway (Where he lazily tried to saucer a pass to Nilsson over Doug Weight of all people) when he referrs to an "offensive player" making a "bone head play" that set the team scrambling for the "first ten minutes". Quinn never said Gagner's name... but he didn't have to. Clearly, even the "golden boy" will be held accountable by the coach. It's about time. Gagner will be better for it.

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