Bizarre Quote of The Day

Jonathan Willis
September 22 2009 06:42PM

Kevin Prendergast, on forward prospect Ryan O'Marra:

"He showed the type of player he was when we traded for him."

Actually, that's not entirely accurate.  A more accurate version of that quote would be as follows:

"We showed what kind of management team we were when we traded Ryan Smyth for Nilsson, O'Marra and a draft pick.  Ryan O'Marra showed what kind of player he is by scoring 3 goals in 93 AHL games after we acquired him."

In fairness to O'Marra, he did by most accounts have a fine training camp.  That said, it'll take more than a few weeks of practice and some exhibition games to erase two years of disappointing results.  On top of that, with Robert Nilsson barely hanging on to an NHL career and the revolving door on the top line's LW, I would have thought the last thing Oilers management would want to do is bring back the memory of the Ryan Smyth trade.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Ender the Dragon
September 23 2009, 09:18AM
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Zaitch wrote:

but wow that is a sick hit

Agreed. After watching several times, I conclude that it's a clean hit and the penalty was a sympathy call. It looks bad, but that's because the Czech player came around too far off the boards with his head down, completely vulnerable. Eberle isn't moving his feet and hits clean with the shoulder. The results are devastating, but I'd say good on Eberle for doing it right. Too bad about the refs trying to make it seem like he messed that up.

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#102 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 09:18AM
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@ BingBong: Did you here Quinn yesterday? He went on to say that these guys need to learn to lay it on the line and stop being lazy. He said the Oilers of the 80's needed to learn this and when they did they won cups.

He also threw it out there about 18 and 19 year olds. He said past coaches keep them but the problem is they still play like they are in juniors and don't play a full shift all the time. By the sounds of it he wants Eberle to mature with one more year in Junior and heck maybe even one in the AHL.

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#103 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 09:20AM
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@ Bob Cob: With Phoneix you never know what they would want. Depends on ownership.

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#104 RossCreek
September 23 2009, 09:22AM
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jeffOgden84 wrote:

Off-Topic, not sure if mentioned but Potulny, Arsene and Minard all cleared waivers.

Was there any doubt?

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#105 Chris.
September 23 2009, 09:25AM
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@ Ender the Dragon:

Hypothetical.

Management trades Horcoff last dealine instead of extending him the previous summer for some prospects and picks.

Free agents look at the lineup and choose to play elsewhere (unless offered ludicrous money and term)

The Oilers go to camp with terrible depth at center. Miss the playoffs for the fourth straight year.

Gagner (who is tired of losing) entertains rich RFA offers. The fans wail "He's not worth THAT" Management takes the picks. The Oilers miss the playoffs.

Hemsky, tired of the drama, and after seeing both his former linemates disappear, is aware that the Olers Management probably won't offer him fair market value at the end of his contract: asks for a trade. (After all he might as well drive up his value putting up bigger numbers with a better organization) The Oilers get prospects, a young player, and a pick... Oh yeah...and miss the playoffs...

And so on, and so on.

But seriously. IMO Horcoff is overpayed. I know this. that's why I used him as an example. Every team overpays certain players at certain times based on need... You will never win without at least SOME of those guys.

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#106 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 09:27AM
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@ RossCreek: Nope, but I know some people were asking yeterday.

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#107 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 09:30AM
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Chris. wrote:

@ Ender the Dragon: Hypothetical. Management trades Horcoff last dealine instead of extending him the previous summer for some prospects and picks. Free agents look at the lineup and choose to play elsewhere (unless offered ludicrous money and term) The Oilers go to camp with terrible depth at center. Miss the playoffs for the fourth straight year. Gagner (who is tired of losing) entertains rich RFA offers. The fans wail “He’s not worth THAT” Management takes the picks. The Oilers miss the playoffs. Hemsky, tired of the drama, and after seeing both his former linemates disappear, is aware that the Olers Management probably won’t offer him fair market value at the end of his contract: asks for a trade. (After all he might as well drive up his value putting up bigger numbers with a better organization) The Oilers get prospects, a young player, and a pick… Oh yeah…and miss the playoffs… And so on, and so on. But seriously. IMO Horcoff is overpayed. I know this. that’s why I used him as an example. Every team overpays certain players at certain times based on need… You will never win without at least SOME of those guys.

Do you honestly think Smyth = attracting FA no Smyth = losing out on FA.

And to go back to my other point.

Smyth/Horc/Vish/Souray....doubt the team would ever go with all 4.

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#108 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 09:32AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

And to go back to my other point. Smyth/Horc/Vish/Souray….doubt the team would ever go with all 4.

To go off in another direction, maybe the error was the Vish trade... (ie have Smyth/Horc/Souray)

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#109 RossCreek
September 23 2009, 09:40AM
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@ Chris.: Why no hate for Smytty? He wanted 5 years @ 5.5, the Oil offere 5 years @ 5.4. Lowe and Smyth drew their line in the sand. Over 100 000! Neither would budge. Why all the blame on Lowe? Why not "that greedy bastard mullet-head"? He said he eFf'd up himself, meaning he takes the blame. Rather stubborn on both parts, assuming they both wanted to continue the relationship. And maybe thats where the real question lays. The real flaw in Lowe's logic - why sign all the role players from the Cup run to over-priced deals, and then not sign your top LW? What sense does that make?If they weren't gonna sign Smytty, why sign the rest?

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#110 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 09:41AM
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@ Ogden Brother: Stoll/Greene as well?

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#111 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 09:42AM
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@ RossCreek: Lowe's logic. Do we have to try figure that out?

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#112 Ender the Dragon
September 23 2009, 09:42AM
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Chris. wrote:

Lowe got the value wrong. He made a mistake. Why can’t you see that?

Kind of like picking black 17 in roulette is obviously a mistake when it comes up red 12. Anyone can see that.

Chris. wrote:

Lowe should have signed THIS player at THAT price. Hindsight proves it.

Hindsight is a fantastic thing. It allows everyone in the world to gain at least 50 IQ points. Now if only someone could figure out a way to access hindsight in advance . . .

Lowe and the rest of the Oilers front office are experts in risk management. They examine the future potential of players against the cost of signing those players to terms of varying lengths. If the cost is lower than the risk, they sign the deal. If the risk is higher than the cost, they don't. It's that simple. In this case, the risk on a long term contract for Smyth exceeded the cost of the deal and we walked away.

Walking away from a roulette table is always the right thing to do, even when you were "so going to bet it all on red 12 and it came up as soon as you quit. Yeah, you didn't win big, but the fact is you also didn't lose everything you have, which was far more likely at the time of the bet.

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#113 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 09:46AM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Chris.: Why no hate for Smytty? He wanted 5 years @ 5.5, the Oil offere 5 years @ 5.4. Lowe and Smyth drew their line in the sand. Over 100 000! Neither would budge. Why all the blame on Lowe? Why not “that greedy bastard mullet-head”? He said he eFf’d up himself, meaning he takes the blame. Rather stubborn on both parts, assuming they both wanted to continue the relationship. And maybe thats where the real question lays. The real flaw in Lowe’s logic – why sign all the role players from the Cup run to over-priced deals, and then not sign your top LW? What sense does that make?If they weren’t gonna sign Smytty, why sign the rest?

Speculation here but:

I believe he signed those that he signed (Horc/Pie/Rollie) to "inflated" deals because he just watched Pronger/Peca/Spacek walk away... ie the bleed needed to be stopped.

Smyth's contract was up a year after those guys so the backdrop/mindset had changed a little. He seen a fairly plump FA crowd and figured if he was going to spent 5.5+ he could get more bang for his buck elsewhere. Unfortunatly that summer:

A. produced some of the highest "overpays" since the lock-out, driving FA contracts far higher then they were before.

B. showed us that Edmonton down on the totem pole of places to play.

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#114 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 09:50AM
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In hindsight didn't we get a first(Alex Plante 15th overall) and two former 15 overall picks for a UFA? I don't know if the trade was bad or maybe it was the development of the players along the road?

Not sure I consider it a bad trade given what was happening at the time.

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#115 Ender the Dragon
September 23 2009, 10:00AM
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Chris. wrote:

Hypothetical. Management trades Horcoff last dealine . . . and miss the playoffs . . .

It is hypothetical. I could write another as easily about how the Oilers win the cup riding the flux of free agents that signed after Hossa came to town, or even because Pronger never left. Fantasy doesn't change the fact that you have to play the game the best way you know how every day and Oilers management does that just as much as the Oilers players do. (Actually, hopefully better.) I think your point is that signing 'brand-name' players, even at a loss sometimes, helps you attract other 'brand-name' players. Perhaps; you'll obviously point to examples like Hossa and Kariya who took significant pay cuts for the chance to play with people they liked. I'll argue, though, that for every guy like Hossa who passes up $4M per season to play for fun, there are ten guys who will play where they need to in order to make an extra $1M a season. Does anyone really think Sundin thought he'd win a cup in Vancouver? Pfffft.

Bottom line, Ryan Smyth was a bad risk. Arguing that he would have been the bait to bring in all those other big fish (even assuming you have salary left to pay them now that you've tied so much up in Ryan) is a weak and hypothetical argument. If those players didn't show up and we had to spend what little money we had left overpaying poor players and signing stupid offer sheets to end up with the worst team in the NHL, hindsight would clearly show us that we should have shown Ryan the door when we had the chance, right?.

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#116 Bob Cob
September 23 2009, 10:11AM
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@ Ogden Brother Jr.: Good point, but in order to get an owner they will want a somewhat viable and competitive on ice product. Doan is more valuable than a 1st, Omark and Chorney combined at this point in his career. What about Gilbert or Visnovsky for Doan? It would give Phoenix a puck moving d man to compliment Jovonovski, and it would fill our void on the top line LW position, in my mind it helps both franchises.

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#117 BingBong
September 23 2009, 10:11AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

@ BingBong: Did you here Quinn yesterday? He went on to say that these guys need to learn to lay it on the line and stop being lazy. He said the Oilers of the 80’s needed to learn this and when they did they won cups. He also threw it out there about 18 and 19 year olds. He said past coaches keep them but the problem is they still play like they are in juniors and don’t play a full shift all the time. By the sounds of it he wants Eberle to mature with one more year in Junior and heck maybe even one in the AHL.

Man, all this Smyth talk depresses me. Can't we just get Horcoff to grow a mullet??

I def. agree with regards to the 18,19 year olds. I think they're much better served playing in the minors until they grow stonger, faster, older, etc. Eberle looks good in preseason, but let's not rush him.

Nice to see Quinn calling it how he sees it. But who specifically is he talking about as being lazy? Hemsky, Penner, Nilsson...any others?

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#118 Traktor
September 23 2009, 10:13AM
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I thought O'marra looked good in camp. Certainly better than Marc Waiver wire Pouliot.

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#119 Chris.
September 23 2009, 10:18AM
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RossCreek wrote:

Why no hate for Smytty? He wanted 5 years @ 5.5, the Oil offere 5 years @ 5.4. Lowe and Smyth drew their line in the sand. Over 100 000! Neither would budge. Why all the blame on Lowe?

This isn't about hate. This is a business. I'm playing armchair GM and I'm saying that extra 100 000 dollars would have put Lowe in the drivers seat over the summer instead of over the barrel trade deadline day.Ender the Dragon wrote:

Hindsight is a fantastic thing. It allows everyone in the world to gain at least 50 IQ points. Now if only someone could figure out a way to access hindsight in advance

At the time I was of the opinion that Lowe should have made the deal. Time has proven me right. Lowe made a mistake with Smyth... Hence the comedy of Predergast drawing attention to O'Marra and the whole unfortunate affair. It's fair comment to draw attention to past mistakes... this debate was sparked as my response to those who still don't see this whole debaucle as being a stain on Lowe's record as GM. Ender the Dragon wrote:

Lowe and the rest of the Oilers front office are experts in risk management. They examine the future potential of players against the cost of signing those players to terms of varying lengths. If the cost is lower than the risk, they sign the deal. If the risk is higher than the cost, they don’t. It’s that simple. In this case, the risk on a long term contract for Smyth exceeded the cost of the deal and we walked away.

I wish they were "experts". Maybe the Oilers would be a more successful franchise. It's pretty sad when an annoymous blogger like myself can see the organization make mistake after mistake in basic asset management principals. For example, rule number one of asset managemet: Know what you have. Every year these "experts" overvalue the potential of young players and act surprised when they fall short of expectations... Predergast is the KING of this kind of failure. Based on the organizational track record, it's fair to pick at some of the decisions that have been made. Those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

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#120 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 10:25AM
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@ BingBong: That is the beauty he doesn't name names. He just lets it be know to the public. The vets aren't idiots they know which guys are pulling their weight. I think Souray was given praise by Quinn, so he isn't one.

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#121 Chris.
September 23 2009, 10:27AM
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Ender the Dragon wrote:

Bottom line, Ryan Smyth was a bad risk.

As is Horcoff. As is Souray. Visnovsky is aging... what if his play tails off before his contract? Khabibulin shouldn't have gotten four years... etc...etc...

You can use risk analysis to criticise every one of these deals: But you're never going to win games without accepting some risk by signing older, experienced players. Time has proven that Smyth was worth the risk. Even with a couple poor, injury riddled seasons there was still a market for him... Hence my assertion that Lowe didn't correctly value his asset: and it's his job to get those values right.

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#122 Chris.
September 23 2009, 10:29AM
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Chris. wrote:

and it’s his job to get those values right.

Correction. It WAS his job to get those values right.

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#123 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 10:31AM
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Not standing up for O'marra, but Ryan, J.Johnson, B.Pouilot, Skille, and Lee were all drafted ahead of him. One of those guys made an impact last year and the others are still been given chances by their teams. Is it that far fetched that O'Marra may need some more time? There is even a handful of guys drafted after him in the 1st round that are just getting their feet wet.

2-3 years down the road this trade could look good from and the Oil's point of view.

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#124 Odds n Sods - OilersNation.com
September 23 2009, 10:34AM
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#125 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 10:36AM
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Chris. wrote:

At the time I was of the opinion that Lowe should have made the deal. Time has proven me right. Lowe made a mistake with Smyth…

Again, it is to early to tell. Two years into it is to early to call a winner on a trade for a 5 year contract vs rookies. Smyth could easily average 60 games/18 goals over the length of that contract. We could easily get 12 years of "Matt Greene" type play out of plant.

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#126 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 10:38AM
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Chris. wrote:

Time has proven that Smyth was worth the risk.

Has it though? The guy has scored 40 goals for 12.5 million dollars.

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#127 rubbertrout
September 23 2009, 10:38AM
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I can't recall. Did Smytty want a no trade clause too? If we are talking about "winning" or "losing" such a trade we need to consider all of the variables. Yes he was a valuable commodity but he had a history of injuries and was never a point a game player at his peak. He didn't take draws or have the same kind of versatility as Horc (I'll leave the discussion about his contract for another day). The fact of the matter is that they did pretty well to get what they did for a 20 day rental. Hindsight is 20/20. If they signed him for big money and he had a NMC they could have been stuck with a big contract who didn't want to move or seriously limited who they could trade with.

Management hasn't done a good job with identifying new assets but that is more on the scouting guys. I bet we could have had Getzlaf or Perry in lieu of Lupul when Pronger was traded. The problem is that the then managment couldn't identify who they should be targeting. Every team makes some bad choices but our issue is that they had a run of them. With Smyth would we have been much better? Maybe from a PR standpoint but hockey wise I doubt it.

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#128 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 10:41AM
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rubbertrout wrote:

I can’t recall. Did Smytty want a no trade clause too? .

I believe he did, which would further cloud the picture.

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#129 RossCreek
September 23 2009, 10:55AM
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For the record, it is and was my belief that Lowe made the right call. The question remains, did he make the right trade? If... RossCreek wrote:

#2 RossCreek September 22 2009, 6:59 pm. If O’Marra can redefine himself as a shutdown 3/4 C (he’s already a good faceoff guy) and Plante can mature & develop into a physical shutdown D-man, that trade could turn out afterall. Who woulda thunk that Nilsson could turn out to be the crappy throw-in.

2-3 years from now, the picture may be clearer.

Also, IF Lowe was successful in getting Vanek, thus never signing Penner, and Vanek came in and scored 40, are we even having this conversation?

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#130 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 23 2009, 10:58AM
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@ RossCreek: No but we are complaining about something else.

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#131 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 10:58AM
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RossCreek wrote:

For the record, it is and was my belief that Lowe made the right call. The question remains, did he make the right trade? If… RossCreek wrote: #2 RossCreek September 22 2009, 6:59 pm. If O’Marra can redefine himself as a shutdown 3/4 C (he’s already a good faceoff guy) and Plante can mature & develop into a physical shutdown D-man, that trade could turn out afterall. Who woulda thunk that Nilsson could turn out to be the crappy throw-in. 2-3 years from now, the picture may be clearer. Also, IF Lowe was successful in getting Vanek, thus never signing Penner, and Vanek came in and scored 40, are we even having this conversation?

Compared to other FA deals, he certainly got fair value.

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#132 Chris.
September 23 2009, 10:59AM
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@ Ogden Brother: Ogden Brother wrote:

Has it though? The guy has scored 40 goals for 12.5 million dollars.

Wow. Are you even reading what I'm writing?

The asset is worth what the market will bear. Period.

Lowe had exclusive bargaining rights with a player he could have signed UNDER market value. Who cares if you AGREE with what value the market places on Smyth? If there was an appetite for Smyth at thirty million plus... Lowe was insane not to sign Smyth for 26. Period. Smyth was, and still is, a marketable commoditiy; more marketable than the players he got in return. Lowe lost. After three painful years, I'm tired of pretending that the trade may still pan out in his favor... those seasons were worth something too.

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#133 Chris.
September 23 2009, 11:01AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

I believe he did, which would further cloud the picture.

Source? I never heard a NMC was on the table. The Oilers don't give them out... something I DO think they get right.

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#134 Chris.
September 23 2009, 11:07AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

I've made it very clear that the decision not to SIGN Smyth was the mistake.

Whether or not Smyth should still be a part of this team at those dollars is a seperate and more debatable affair. Personally, I believe the market for Smyth is now erroding... and it was a good move by the Avs to move him this summer.

Signing Smyth, and keeping him are two completely different threads... and I'm not arguing both. I'm only arguing the first point.

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#135 Chris.
September 23 2009, 11:10AM
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.... and now I'm done.

*wipes brow... and finally goes to work*

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#136 RossCreek
September 23 2009, 11:10AM
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I'm thinking Smyth has a decent year in LA this year. Then the decline.

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#137 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 11:37AM
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Chris. wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: Ogden Brother wrote: Has it though? The guy has scored 40 goals for 12.5 million dollars. Wow. Are you even reading what I’m writing? The asset is worth what the market will bear. Period. Lowe had exclusive bargaining rights with a player he could have signed UNDER market value. Who cares if you AGREE with what value the market places on Smyth? If there was an appetite for Smyth at thirty million plus… Lowe was insane not to sign Smyth for 26. Period. Smyth was, and still is, a marketable commoditiy; more marketable than the players he got in return. Lowe lost. After three painful years, I’m tired of pretending that the trade may still pan out in his favor… those seasons were worth something too.

Yes I am reading it, you said "time has proven Smy is worth the risk"

How exactly has he been worth the risk? His perfomance has been exactly what the team was concerned about - missed time and sinking production.

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#138 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 11:48AM
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Chris. wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: I’ve made it very clear that the decision not to SIGN Smyth was the mistake. Whether or not Smyth should still be a part of this team at those dollars is a seperate and more debatable affair. Personally, I believe the market for Smyth is now erroding… and it was a good move by the Avs to move him this summer. Signing Smyth, and keeping him are two completely different threads… and I’m not arguing both. I’m only arguing the first point.

That's where the NTC comes into play, we could have been forced to holding him through the contract.

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#139 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 11:49AM
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Chris. wrote:

…. and now I’m done. *wipes brow… and finally goes to work*

Oops, just seen this. I'll let it die. Good, heated "non-personal" hockey debate.

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#140 Word
September 23 2009, 12:49PM
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RV Cover Class A wrote:

Your site is very full of good information. Everyone can learn so many things by reading here.

That sounds appealing. Lets see what you have to say about the Oilers RV Cover Class. What? Nothing? How dare you.

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#141 Ender the Dragon
September 23 2009, 02:00PM
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Chris. wrote:

Who cares if you AGREE with what value the market places on Smyth? If there was an appetite for Smyth at thirty million plus… Lowe was insane not to sign Smyth for 26. Period.

Chris. wrote:

…. and now I’m done. *wipes brow… and finally goes to work*

I need to pretend to get some work done today too, and I'm not trying to be an a$$hat just because I need to have the last word. Chances are, Chris, you and I are going to agree to disagree on this. A final tidbit to ponder, though;

When playing the commodities market, certain commodities have a set value. Wheat, for example, may normally trade at $8 per bushel. But in recent months, let's pretend that drought in the Southern USA and increased demand from China have resulted in the price soaring to $12 a bushel. Your broker gets on the line and says he's got an inside tip for you; you can buy 100,000 bushels on a side deal for only $10.50, a savings of $1.50 from market price. You should jump all over that deal and make a quick $150,000, right? So you buy yourself a boatload of wheat. Trouble is, you only manage to unload a quarter of that before the price starts to fall; your broker failed to mention that the Russians were looking at a good harvest this year. By the time the price of wheat stabilizes at $7 a bushel, you realize that you are well and truly screwed.

Why this economic analysis? Buying a 'deal' just because something is below current market value doesn't mean it's a good deal. The salary that looks good on a player one year may end up looking awfully scruffy a couple years down the line, depending on many factors such as how many players in the league decide to retire, how many free agents are available, which direction the salary cap goes, and how many players on your team are looking for new contracts. Lowe looked into his crystal ball, which admittedly was cloudy just like everyone else's, and decided he didn't like what he saw. I give him props for going with his head and not with his heart.

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#142 Hemmertime
September 23 2009, 02:08PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

To go off in another direction, maybe the error was the Vish trade… (ie have Smyth/Horc/Souray)

Not at all, Vis is better than Souray and contributes more to our team than a 33 year old 6 million dollar Smyth would. Shoot, with the way Smytty plays thats a 40 years olds body.

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#143 rubbertrout
September 23 2009, 02:31PM
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@ Ender the Dragon:

I agree with the wheat trader. Can't we just all agree that the team that really got screweed in that deal was the Islanders?

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#144 Ogden Brother
September 23 2009, 02:41PM
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rubbertrout wrote:

@ Ender the Dragon: I agree with the wheat trader. Can’t we just all agree that the team that really got screweed in that deal was the Islanders?

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Chris. wrote: Who cares if you AGREE with what value the market places on Smyth? If there was an appetite for Smyth at thirty million plus… Lowe was insane not to sign Smyth for 26. Period. Chris. wrote: …. and now I’m done. *wipes brow… and finally goes to work* I need to pretend to get some work done today too, and I’m not trying to be an a$$hat just because I need to have the last word. Chances are, Chris, you and I are going to agree to disagree on this. A final tidbit to ponder, though; When playing the commodities market, certain commodities have a set value. Wheat, for example, may normally trade at $8 per bushel. But in recent months, let’s pretend that drought in the Southern USA and increased demand from China have resulted in the price soaring to $12 a bushel. Your broker gets on the line and says he’s got an inside tip for you; you can buy 100,000 bushels on a side deal for only $10.50, a savings of $1.50 from market price. You should jump all over that deal and make a quick $150,000, right? So you buy yourself a boatload of wheat. Trouble is, you only manage to unload a quarter of that before the price starts to fall; your broker failed to mention that the Russians were looking at a good harvest this year. By the time the price of wheat stabilizes at $7 a bushel, you realize that you are well and truly screwed. Why this economic analysis? Buying a ‘deal’ just because something is below current market value doesn’t mean it’s a good deal. The salary that looks good on a player one year may end up looking awfully scruffy a couple years down the line, depending on many factors such as how many players in the league decide to retire, how many free agents are available, which direction the salary cap goes, and how many players on your team are looking for new contracts. Lowe looked into his crystal ball, which admittedly was cloudy just like everyone else’s, and decided he didn’t like what he saw. I give him props for going with his head and not with his heart.

Well said.

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September 23 2009, 02:43PM
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rubbertrout wrote:

@ Ender the Dragon: I agree with the wheat trader. Can’t we just all agree that the team that really got screweed in that deal was the Islanders?

That's the funny part of the whole Smyth situation. No one really "won".

Islanders clearly got next to nothing out of the deal

As it sits right now Edmonton has gotten not much more then nothing out of the deal

Colorado didn't get much out of him either, the year they were decent he was on the IR for most of the year, and the year he actually played/produced the team was brutski.

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#146 Ender the Dragon
September 23 2009, 02:47PM
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rubbertrout wrote:

Can’t we just all agree that the team that really got screweed in that deal was the Islanders?

I don't think anyone can argue with that. But these days, let's face it - it's kind of expected and almost goes without saying. :)

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#147 euhitb
October 10 2009, 07:04AM
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