GDB minus-2: It's crunch time

Jason Gregor
September 24 2009 02:20PM

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Tonight is the last chance for players to impress the coaches, and when you look at tonight’s roster it is pretty clear which players are on the bubble.

Nilsson — Brule — Stone MacIntyre — Reddox — Stortini Moreau — Gagner — Cogliano Penner — Schremp — Eberle

Grebeshkov — Staios Chorney — Gilbert Smid — Visnovsky

Deslauriers and Dubnyk

Stone, Brule, Nilsson, Reddox, MacIntyre, Schremp and Eberle are all on the bubble. And so is Pouliot, but he is out with a slight muscle pull.

Quinn hinted today that if Pouliot and Pisani don’t get into Sunday’s game, they might get veteran status and be on the 23 man roster. Pisani is shooting to play on Sunday so we’ll wait and see.

It sounds like Quinn is leaning towards moving Cogliano to the wing and will keep Gagner and either Comrie or O'Sullivan and Horcoff as the other top three centres.

It is also interesting to look at the D-pairings for tonight. I don’t think it is a guarantee that the top four will consist of 44, 71, 77 and 37. Renney wants his defense to be more aggressive, especially at the blueline. But they can only stand up the opposing forwards if the Oiler forwards are backchecking.

The story so far...

Through six pre-season games the forwards and D-men haven’t been that cohesive yet. Quinn said it was almost like they were playing as two separate units, and there was too much space between them, especially in the neutral zone.

I’m curious how long it will take for those who ripped MacTavish for sucking the offence out of young Oilers to say the same about Quinn.

Quinn is adamant that this team will be better defensively before they work on their offence. Doesn’t that sound a lot like MacTavish? The difference is that this coaching staff has a different approach in how they are selling that message.

According to the players, the coaches have consistently relayed the same messages every day. Last year, after many games MacTavish and the media and the fans complained the team wasn’t physical enough.

But a player, who agreed they weren’t, said it was never a message the coaching staff hammered home every day. As strange as it sounds, if a coaching staff isn’t constantly focusing and reminding players how they should play, then the players won’t play that way.

The messages to the players have been clearer and right now they are being hammered home on a daily basis, and I’d expect that to continue all season. The players who buy in will play, and those who don’t won’t play and ultimately won’t be here very long.

This power struggle will be won by the coaching staff, and for some veterans and young players, they'd better realize that quickly.

The best fight I saw today

Who would have thought the best fight of the pre-season would have occurred at practice, and at Eskimo practice?

After leaving Rexall I went to watch the Eskimos practice and I witnessed the most one-sided football tilt I’ve seen in a long time.

During scrimmage, O-lineman Aaron Fiacconi and D-lineman Xzavie Jackson got into it. They threw some punches and then Fiacconi showed his hockey background: he ripped off Jackson’s helmet, pulled his head down and fed him two huge uppercuts, the second one dropped Jackson.

Jackson picked himself up off the turf and stormed off to the sidelines. Meanwhile Fiacconi went back to the huddle and got ready for the next play. Not one player said anything to Jackson. He was on the far sidelines, and then he proceeded to throw off his gloves, take off his practice jersey and walked towards the north end zone of Clark field. He walked across the endzone and towards the gate. Only receiver Maurice Mann came over to try and get him to not leave practice. Jackson barked something to him, and then proceeded to continue walking towards the dumpsters.

Thirty seconds later he returned with a shovel that he had found. He was slowly walking back towards the field when trainer TD Forss and Danny Maciocia stopped to talk to him. Jackson was visibly upset, and after some talking he left towards the locker room with Forss.

His left eye was swollen shut and had a cut on it. The strangest part for me wasn’t that he found a shovel and contemplated going WWE on someone, but that not one of his defensive teammates did anything on the field, or said anything to him on the sidelines.

Their silence told me he isn’t that respected in the locker room and I can’t see him sticking around very long. Rarely is a football fight more entertaining than a hockey fight.

***UPDATE***

I got some confirmation that the Oilers and Predators are kicking each other tires. Nilsson would seem like an obvious choice, but I've heard whispers about Pouliot and Pisani as well. Nashville has lots of cap space if they want to acquire either Pisani or Nilsson.

I know the Oilers have lots of D-men, but would Hamhuis be of interest to them? We'll see.

It sounds like there might be some interesting names across the NHL that might land on waivers as early this weekend.

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#401 Chris
September 25 2009, 09:40AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

’ve said many times Moreau/Staios/Pisani are more then expendable if 27 year old versions of them are coming in.

Bingo. Watching camp, it's clear that the youngsters aren't ready to replace these guys yet... But that doesn't mean that the Oilers shouldn't try to upgrade via trade.

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#402 Archaeologuy
September 25 2009, 09:43AM
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Chris wrote:

Are you saying the Oilers should dump Hemsky and his four million dollar cap hit and give his spot to Eberle based on a few pre-season games? I mean Eberle, O’Sullivan, and Comrie have clearly outperformed Hemsky at camp… Behold Edmonton: Your new first line! Arch. You surprise me.

Fine, I give up. The Oilers should keep some over-priced players who havent been able to do their job properly for more than a year on the basis of sentiment. OK, I said it. Moreau is an excellent Captain, hes a Selke candidate shutdown guy who never costs the team ever with his poor decision making. Pisani is worth the 2.5 mill he makes and Staois will get a Norris based on the 4 minutes a night he'll average over the year. I get it, these fringe players are untouchable, lets trade cogliano gagner and hemsky for more guys like this. Lets pull Bucky out of retirement too.

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#403 RossCreek
September 25 2009, 09:44AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

And then the next question: Do you keep Jokenin off your roster so you can call those AHL players up in case of injury?

Aahhhhh HELLS NO!! Thats what fans want... the ability to add a big name via trade later in the season. Something that isn't possible if you're capped out. Its like I'm agreeing with half of what you & Chris say, and half of what Arch says (and thats rare buddy ;-) )

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#404 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 09:48AM
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RossCreek wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: And then the next question: Do you keep Jokenin off your roster so you can call those AHL players up in case of injury? Aahhhhh HELLS NO!! Thats what fans want… the ability to add a big name via trade later in the season. Something that isn’t possible if you’re capped out. Its like I’m agreeing with half of what you & Chris say, and half of what Arch says (and thats rare buddy )

You were capped out, they took the risk that adding Jokenin could cost you call-up depth... and it did. I'd say that's an exceptable risk and do it every time though.

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#405 Archaeologuy
September 25 2009, 09:52AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Because that isn’t what you were suggesting that started this, read back. You want to dump and replace with unknowns.

I want to replace guys that are known to not be able to do their jobs with others who might so that the Oilers have the room to fill the bigger holes. OMG. Why should the Oilers keep these guys. Everyone has talked a lot about the value of veterans without even acknowledging that these vets have been subpar for a while already.

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#406 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 25 2009, 09:54AM
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@ Archaeologuy: We have no one to replace the vets that everyone wants. Out lets replace Pisani, Moreau and Staios with rookies and then after 20 games when those rookies slump, then what?

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#407 The Menace
September 25 2009, 09:59AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

@ The Menace: 11,000 is what they had yesterday. Doesn’t seem that good.

11,000 for preseason hockey. Capacity for hockey is just over 15,000. I think they would be closer to 15k for most regular season games if they could get a team in there. I'm sure they could out-draw ATL and FLA, and they wouldn't have to give away tix to fill seats like TB and PHX does.

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#408 Chris
September 25 2009, 09:59AM
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@ Archaeologuy:

IMO, you are just a little guilty of undervaluing role players... or maybe the importance of their role to overall team play.

Pisani is overpriced. If there was a suitable replacement he may have been in trouble, but there isn't.

Moreau and Staios are both aging. Moreau no longer has the speed he once had, but his compete level is something this team is lacking. If Peckham had been healthy, Staios may have been in trouble... as it is there are too many Chorney type D-men on this roster as is.

Change is coming... The Oilers were able to move Jason Smith before his game fell off too sharply... if anything, historically, this organization tends to move older players too soon, and promote young players too early: your appetite for fresh talent will be satisfied in due course.

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#409 RossCreek
September 25 2009, 10:00AM
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Say you replace Moreau & Pisani with Halpern & Chimere. Your a better team. You actually knock some cap $ off this year. You've replace vets with other vets. This is good. Replace Moreau & Pisani with Stone & Reddox... not so much. I like Stone & Reddox in the mix as 13/14 F ahead of Pouliot, but you need some veteran presence to replace Moreau & Pisani.

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#410 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 10:01AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Because that isn’t what you were suggesting that started this, read back. You want to dump and replace with unknowns. I want to replace guys that are known to not be able to do their jobs with others who might so that the Oilers have the room to fill the bigger holes. OMG. Why should the Oilers keep these guys. Everyone has talked a lot about the value of veterans without even acknowledging that these vets have been subpar for a while already.

Why don't you let Quinn decide if the vets are able to do their job. You always had MacT to lean on as your excuse as to why those guys are still around...Will Quinn be an "idiot" too if the vets play this year?

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#411 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 10:03AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

@ Archaeologuy: We have no one to replace the vets that everyone wants. Out lets replace Pisani, Moreau and Staios with rookies and then after 20 games when those rookies slump, then what?

The hilarioius part is we've already seen this game play out. Everyone was happy happy when gritty vetran roles players were shipped out to be replaced by skilled guys!! Yippeee! Now everyone is whining that the team can't compete.

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#412 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 10:04AM
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RossCreek wrote:

Say you replace Moreau & Pisani with Halpern & Chimere. Your a better team. You actually knock some cap $ off this year. You’ve replace vets with other vets. This is good. Replace Moreau & Pisani with Stone & Reddox… not so much. I like Stone & Reddox in the mix as 13/14 F ahead of Pouliot, but you need some veteran presence to replace Moreau & Pisani.

Yes yes yes.

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#413 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 25 2009, 10:06AM
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@ The Menace: People are complaining that some of the southern teams aren't getting much more then 11 or 12k, but those fans know there are going to be more games played. In Winnipeg they may never get another game. You would think that building would be packed.

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#414 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 25 2009, 10:08AM
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RossCreek wrote:

Say you replace Moreau & Pisani with Halpern & Chimere. Your a better team. You actually knock some cap $ off this year. You’ve replace vets with other vets. This is good. Replace Moreau & Pisani with Stone & Reddox… not so much. I like Stone & Reddox in the mix as 13/14 F ahead of Pouliot, but you need some veteran presence to replace Moreau & Pisani.

I guess it depends who you give up for Halpern and Chimera, and then it depends what you do with Moreau and Pisani.

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#415 Chris
September 25 2009, 10:09AM
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@ Archaeologuy: It's like last night... the Oilers (as per Quinn's comments) lost the game on "three faceoffs".

That team sure could have used a guy like Horcoff... the same guy you regularly diss. You underestimate how hard it is, or how strong you have to be to win draws at the NHL level. (Taking draws can be exhausting... it's a battle of sheer strength and will)

Horcoff took 1700 draws last season; an amazing stat: but all you respect is his point total or lack therof.

I know we are talking about Moreau and Pisani... you say they can't do their jobs... but combined they are only half of one PK unit. If it's fair to argue Hemsky needs help in the top six to be effective offensivly, it's also fair to argue that Moreau and Pisani deserve help in the bottom six as well.

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#416 cableguy
September 25 2009, 10:22AM
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RossCreek wrote:

Do you lock yourslef in and not even have the “chance” to add salary?

you can always free up salary is you have to.

having $$$, especially upwards of 3mil, sitting there when the team, as it is, has gaping holes makes no sense.

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#417 RossCreek
September 25 2009, 10:25AM
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cableguy wrote:

having $$$, especially upwards of 3mil, sitting there when the team, as it is, has gaping holes makes no sense.

No. The cap space could be used to fill those hole's. What sense does it make to be capped out and still not be good enough?

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#418 Chris
September 25 2009, 10:28AM
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RossCreek wrote:

No. The cap space could be used to fill those hole’s. What sense does it make to be capped out and still not be good enough?

Kind of like using the last drop of money to sign a small skilled forward instead of a Penalty killing, faceoff winning, physical third line center?

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#419 cableguy
September 25 2009, 10:34AM
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nobody said being capped out was the way to go either.

leaving a big chunk free in case something comes up makes no sense. trades rarely take place during the season any more, and waiting for the trade deadline is probably to late

leaving a small chunk free in case of injuries and such is, in theory, the way to go.

the oilers, for example, are screwed regardless.

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#420 RossCreek
September 25 2009, 10:38AM
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@ Chris: Ya... except signing that (Comrie) small skilled forward is still an upgrade on another (Nilssson) inconsistent skilled forward... and cheaper. Which is why Nilsson HAS to disappear. Comrie replaces Nilsson. Just like how TBD replaces Pisani or TBD replaces Moreau. TBD = a younger/cheaper vet from elsewhere.

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#421 RossCreek
September 25 2009, 10:41AM
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BREAKING... Darren Millard just said on HockeyCentral that no Theo Fleury at practice today... More to come... (if you care, I know its not Oilers)

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#422 Ender the Dragon
September 25 2009, 10:43AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Lets pull Bucky out of retirement too.

We're pretty close to the cap; think we can afford him?

[wink]

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#423 RossCreek
September 25 2009, 10:47AM
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Flames release Fleury

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#424 RossCreek
September 25 2009, 10:49AM
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08/09.............09/10 OUT...............IN Roloson...........Khabibulin Cole..............O'Sullivan Brodziak..........Brule Nilsson...........Comrie Pouliot...........Stone Pisani............TBD Moreau............TBD

TBD = a younger/cheaper vet from elsewhere.
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#425 Chris
September 25 2009, 10:59AM
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RossCreek wrote:

Ya… except signing that (Comrie) small skilled forward is still an upgrade on another (Nilssson) inconsistent skilled forward… and cheaper.

Oh I get it. The fact that Comrie was still available, and was so cheap, and has outperformed Gagner, Cogliano, and Nilsson at camp, proves Oiler fans tend to overvalue their young players.

Comrie was a thirty goal scorer at twenty-one. At twenty-nine, he hit August without a contract. Small skilled forwards do NOT have much cache around the league, so why do the Oilers draft so many of them? And why do so many otherwise intelligent Oiler fans readily assume that Gagner and Cogliano should both be key ingredients of this franchise moving forward?

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#426 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 25 2009, 11:02AM
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@ Chris: We draft them because when we drafted big guys they end up as busts. I have nothing wrong about drafting small guys, but sooner or later we need to fill up on some big guys, whether it is a trade or signing.

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#427 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 11:07AM
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Chris wrote:

RossCreek wrote: Ya… except signing that (Comrie) small skilled forward is still an upgrade on another (Nilssson) inconsistent skilled forward… and cheaper. Oh I get it. The fact that Comrie was still available, and was so cheap, and has outperformed Gagner, Cogliano, and Nilsson at camp, proves Oiler fans tend to overvalue their young players. Comrie was a thirty goal scorer at twenty-one. At twenty-nine, he hit August without a contract. Small skilled forwards do NOT have much cache around the league, so why do the Oilers draft so many of them? And why do so many otherwise intelligent Oiler fans readily assume that Gagner and Cogliano should both be key ingredients of this franchise moving forward?

To be fair though Comrie never really progressed, he only had one more 30 goal season. Guys like Savard and St Louis have plenty of Cache.

(ie it's not so much size at it is progresion and production once you have progressed)

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#428 Chris
September 25 2009, 11:30AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

@ Chris: We draft them because when we drafted big guys they end up as busts. I have nothing wrong about drafting small guys, but sooner or later we need to fill up on some big guys, whether it is a trade or signing.

If the scouting staff isn't able to draft effective players with size then it's time for a new scouting staff. As evidenced by my Comrie example, it's easier to sign small skilled guys to round out your lineup than big power forwards.

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#429 Chris
September 25 2009, 11:32AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Guys like Savard and St Louis have plenty of Cache.

Ans so will Cogliano and Gagner if they start putting up the numbers. Last season Gagner had one goal in his first twenty-five games...

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#430 The Menace
September 25 2009, 11:34AM
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@ Ogden Brother Jr.: Even if TB gets 11,000 at a game, 1/2 those seats have been given away free with a Big Gulp purchase, or sold at large discounts. That's sa big difference from selling the same amount at face value. It would be interesting to look at the gate revenue for Canadian teams, versus US franchises. Particularly the struggling ones down south.

Everything I've heard tells me that those ticket numbers have been artifically propped up - that they may announce 12,000 ticket sold, but it's more like 7,000 or 8,000 b*tts in the seats. The actual gate revenues would tell more I think.

Can I say b*tts on here?

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#431 Oilersordeath
September 25 2009, 11:47AM
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Guys we've seen this too many times last season and before that where the Oil had sqandered leads in the dying minutes of games and lost. Should we get used to it this season? Because I dont think I can deal with that anymore, last night even though it was pre-season I was goddamn livid!! I almost broke the remote, dining room chair and some dishes! I even sent the kids to bed with no story. I just want to see a 110% game in game out thats all I ask! And no I dont need anger management, all ready done that sheeeit.

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#432 Chris
September 25 2009, 11:49AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

Petr Sykora is another example of a small skilled forward who has put up good numbers and has been passed around the league like a bag of candy. The dude is still in his early thirty's, has won a couple of cups, has nearly 700 points in 921 games played and just signed a paltry one year deal for only 1.6M dollars.

Small nifty forwards are easier to sign than big guys with skill: that is why you shouldn't waste draft picks on small players unless their skill level is truly off the charts. The Oilers should have taken Voracek instead of Gagner in 07... It's not hard to guess who is more likely to have the higher cache in five years time.

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#433 The Menace
September 25 2009, 11:59AM
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@ Oilersordeath: did the kids at least get to watch the game first?

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#434 cableguy
September 25 2009, 12:01PM
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Oilersordeath wrote:

Guys we’ve seen this too many times last season and before that where the Oil had sqandered leads in the dying minutes of games and lost. Should we get used to it this season? Because I dont think I can deal with that anymore, last night even though it was pre-season I was goddamn livid!! I almost broke the remote, dining room chair and some dishes! I even sent the kids to bed with no story. I just want to see a 110% game in game out thats all I ask! And no I dont need anger management, all ready done that sheeeit.

so now isnt a good time to tell you about the dirty things i did to your wife while you were spazing out over a preseason game?

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#435 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 12:03PM
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Chris wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: Petr Sykora is another example of a small skilled forward who has put up good numbers and has been passed around the league like a bag of candy. The dude is still in his early thirty’s, has won a couple of cups, has nearly 700 points in 921 games played and just signed a paltry one year deal for only 1.6M dollars. Small nifty forwards are easier to sign than big guys with skill: that is why you shouldn’t waste draft picks on small players unless their skill level is truly off the charts. The Oilers should have taken Voracek instead of Gagner in 07… It’s not hard to guess who is more likely to have the higher cache in five years time.

Well ya, if you have two guys of similar ability

bigger guy > Smaller guy

Also, it's a supply issue, ther are alot more 180 - 200 lbs 25 goal guys then their are 200 - 220lbs 25 goal guys.

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#436 cableguy
September 25 2009, 12:14PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Also, it’s a supply issue, ther are alot more 180 – 200 lbs 25 goal guys then their are 200 – 220lbs 25 goal guys.

got the stats to back that up?

im not disagreeing, but "alot" more?

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#437 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 12:16PM
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cableguy wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Also, it’s a supply issue, ther are alot more 180 – 200 lbs 25 goal guys then their are 200 – 220lbs 25 goal guys. got the stats to back that up? im not disagreeing, but “alot” more?

Good question, their were alot more availble on the FA market... so that likely skews the convo a little.

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#438 Oilersordeath
September 25 2009, 12:20PM
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cableguy wrote:

Oilersordeath wrote: Guys we’ve seen this too many times last season and before that where the Oil had sqandered leads in the dying minutes of games and lost. Should we get used to it this season? Because I dont think I can deal with that anymore, last night even though it was pre-season I was goddamn livid!! I almost broke the remote, dining room chair and some dishes! I even sent the kids to bed with no story. I just want to see a 110% game in game out thats all I ask! And no I dont need anger management, all ready done that sheeeit. so now isnt a good time to tell you about the dirty things i did to your wife while you were spazing out over a preseason game?

Oh dude, you gotta talk about wifes now?? No seriously as long as the Oilers are winning I'm oblivious to what she's doing. She could be nailing my best bro in the next room, but as long as the Oil winning I could care less!! maybe not

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#439 venue
September 25 2009, 12:23PM
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Chris wrote:

The Oilers should have taken Voracek instead of Gagner in 07… It’s not hard to guess who is more likely to have the higher cache in five years time.

Can you see into the future? That is a ludacris statement. You draft the best player available. Why are we bringing up this argument. It's irrelevant.

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#440 Oilersordeath
September 25 2009, 12:23PM
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#432 The Menace September 25 2009, 11:59 am.

@ Oilersordeath: did the kids at least get to watch the game first

Read more: http://www.oilersnation.com/2009/09/gdb-minus-2-its-crunch-time/comment-page-9/#comment-84985#ixzz0S8z0LB4F @ The Menace: Hell no, nobody in my family watches games with me I get a little to crazy watching the Oil.

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#441 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 25 2009, 12:41PM
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@ The Menace: Betts why not?

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#442 Chris
September 25 2009, 12:43PM
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venue wrote:

Can you see into the future? That is a ludacris statement. You draft the best player available. Why are we bringing up this argument. It’s irrelevant.

The BPA is alaways a mixture of talent, personality, and physical attributes... The Oiler organization hasn't valued the physical attribute side of that equation when determining who the BPA is... and it shows on the ice with the talent we have.

This thread is nearly 500 comments long. People are trying to figure out what's gone wrong... I think, based on the inability of our prospects to grab spots on an already sub-par team: questioning the drafting is fair game.

BTW Voracek had 38 points last season to Gagner's 41... but Voracek is way bigger, stronger, and can play anywhere in the lineup... I'd trade the two straight accross right now... Too bad Howson's not an idiot.

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#443 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 25 2009, 12:43PM
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@ Chris: You are naming guys that are 40 point players. Last I checked Gagner had potential to be a ppg and Cogs 30+ goals.

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#444 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 12:47PM
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Guys that scored 23-27 goals (taking out those with more then 60 points because we are looking for complementery offensive players...ie Sykora's/Comrie's so we don't want higher end plamakers)

Hejduk - 190 Selane - 200 Ryder - 186 Kozlov - 190 Smyth - 190 Kessler - 205 (probably shouldn't be included because he's a valuable for his defense as for his offense) Ruttu - 205 Umberger - 215 Malone - 225 Sharp - 195 Pavelski - 195 Lupul - 205 Tkachuk - 230 Nolan - 215 Brown - 208 Naslund 191 Neal 205 Zherdev - 195 Hudler - 182 Michalek - 225 Laich - 210 Kunitz - 193 Stamkos - 195 A tits - 214

So 24 guys half are 200lbs or less, but only 5 are heavier then 215

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#445 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 12:55PM
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Chris wrote: This thread is nearly 500 comments long. People are trying to figure out what’s gone wrong… I think, based on the inability of our prospects to grab spots on an already sub-par team: questioning the drafting is fair game.

I think it's more an age cap then a drafting problem. The guys drafted 10 years ago, who should now be leading the team. (or aquired when they were young) were shipped away. Counting on guys drafted 05 or sooner is a little much.

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#446 Ogden Brother Jr.
September 25 2009, 12:59PM
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@ Chris: Again why do we want all our prospects to be in the lineup? A few years ago we had prospects grab spots, Cogliano, Gagner, Brodziak, Smid, Grebs, Gilbert how many god damn prospects do we need making this team every year? This year looks like Jacques is making it and maybe Brule. That is fine by me. The others can go back and further develop their game.

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#447 Chris
September 25 2009, 01:03PM
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@ Ogden Brother Jr.:

Voracek was picked by Columbus one slot after Gagner... He is also a "potential" ppg guy... a physically large PPG guy. Small 70 point scoring forwards are easier to aquire via trade, free agenct, etc than Big 70 point scoring forwards... (Do we agree?). The Oilers only needed to say Voracek instead of Gagner back in 07... drafting those Big guys with skill is the only way you can get them.

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#448 Chris
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Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

Again why do we want all our prospects to be in the lineup?

I don't. I want them to be able to replace injured vets without much of a drop-off... they can't.

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#449 Ogden Brother
September 25 2009, 01:08PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

@ Chris: Again why do we want all our prospects to be in the lineup? A few years ago we had prospects grab spots, Cogliano, Gagner, Brodziak, Smid, Grebs, Gilbert how many god damn prospects do we need making this team every year? This year looks like Jacques is making it and maybe Brule. That is fine by me. The others can go back and further develop their game.

I think he's more pointing to the fact that non of them stepped up and demanded a spot (other then JFJ). Which is really what you want.

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#450 Ogden Brother Jr.
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@ Chris: It's not the prospects fault. Stone was a throw in from the Garon trade. Someone who was suppose to add depth to the AHL team. Brule might be taking the 4th line, haven't seen much of Pouilot either. But those two were fighting for Brodziak's spot. Who did we have in camp that was suppose to knock Pisani, Moreau and Staios out of a spot?

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