Oilers vs. Stars Postgame: The Sweet Taste of Victory, The Agonizing Taste of Defeat, All In 40 Seconds

Jonathan Willis
January 22 2010 11:47PM

Dallas Stars: 4

Edmonton Oilers: 3

The Oilers played a solid game that featured a comeback with just over a minute left; unfortunately the comeback lasted all of 40 seconds as the Stars put the Oilers away as the clock ticked down.

 

First Period

 

I continue to be amazed at Gene Principe’s pre-game introduction. Outstanding stuff; the man is pure gold.

Jacques plastered Sutherby with a big hit, and he, Pouliot and Stortini shove with the Star’s fourth line.

Nilsson with a surprisingly dangerous chance from the wrong side of the goal line; he flipped it into Turco’s skate and Turco just froze to keep the puck from moving.

Jason Strudwick was the guy who fell down, but Krys Barch lost the fight as Strudwick got a ton of shots in on Barch. Barch did well to step in after Strudwick probably should have got an elbowing penalty for a hit on Peters.

Trevor Daley powers a slap shot in from the point after Tom Gilbert turns the puck over. Pat Quinn shakes his head on the bench. 1-0 Dallas.

Shawn Horcoff takes a penalty for goaltender interference and Fernando Pisani takes one a moment later for hooking, giving Dallas a two minute 5-on-3. That’s pretty much a gift-wrapped goal for Dallas, but amazingly the Oilers manage to hang on and kill the penalty through a combination of good penalty-killing and strong work from Devan Dubnyk.

A moment later, Sam Gagner takes a holding penalty for reacting to a hit by hauling down the Stars forward.

Louie DeBruks: “They’ve struggled on the penalty kill as of late.” Yeah, if by “late” you mean the last two years.

With six seconds left in the Gagner penalty, Patrick O’Sullivan gets called for slashing on Jamie Benn. The Oilers kill off the last six seconds and then 30 seconds of the O’Sullivan penalty before Dubnyk freezes the puck.

Mike Modano scores with just over 50 seconds left on the Stars’ 35th power play. A team can only kill so many penalties.

The Oilers finally get a call as Krys Barch goes off for holding; the power play has barely started when Ryan Potulny bangs a goal home to make it 2-1 Dallas. Assists to Robert Nilsson and Dustin Penner.

Shots are now 17-4 in favour of the Dallas Stars.

Gagner gets a dangerous chance off a broken rush featuring him, Cogliano and Penner. After the faceoff, Denis Grebeshkov gets another shot that tests Turco, who seems shaky in net.

The Oilers with a vicious forecheck; in succession quick hits by Pouliot, Jacques and Stortini. The puck makes its way the other direction and the Stars get away with tripping Devan Dubnyk.

Pouliot really seems to have embraced his fourth line role; he’s as physically involved as I’ve ever seen him be and I wonder if he’s realized that he only has a tenuous grasp on an NHL career and needs to add every dimension he can. He was a gritty player in junior and if he can show that here it will only enhance his value.

Steve Ott takes a hooking penalty for spinning around Jason Strudwick, but the power play fails to convert before the clock runs out on the first period.

 

Second Period

 

No intermission commentary today; I’m in a hurry and I can’t remember the last time the Sportsnet panel was particularly useful.

Back and forth action to open the period but nothing especially interesting. Stortini made a brutal turnover to Brad Richards but got the puck back and moved it the other way.

 

Sam Gagner makes up for his earlier retaliation by drawing a penalty as he worked his way into the Dallas crease. Stephane Robidas hooked him after Gagner stole the puck from him.

Dallas takes another penalty after Steve Ott breaks Potulny’s stick in half after the slash, and the Oilers will now have a 5-on-3 for just over a minute. The good news is that the Stars’ penalty kill is almost as miserable as the Oilers.

Despite the Stars’ lousy penalty kill, the Oilers pass the puck around the perimeter and squander the 5-on-3, and then the 5-on-4 moments later.

Mark Fistric lowers the boom on Stortini as he skates in with the puck; great, clean hit on Stortini.

Taylor Chorney shows some lousy defensive awareness as Jamie Benn sneaks past him, and then takes the pass on the 2-on-1 and converts to make it 3-1 Dallas. Ugly play by Chorney.

Penner substituting for Stortini on the fourth line; I wonder how much that Fistric hit shook up Stortini, although the TV crew reads this as an attempt to get Penner going.

Great shift for the Horcoff line, which dominated the Stars’ first line and held the puck in the offensive zone while the Oilers changed lines.

Denis Grebeshkov for the second or third time makes a heart attack move with the puck, flubbing the pass and turning it over.

Stortini back out with the fourth line; apparently he’s fine. Pouliot takes the pass and does a great job getting the puck through to net; I’ve been very impressed by him since he has come back from injury.

Lubomir Visnovsky missed a wide open net on a play started by an epic Horcoff move; another fine shift for the third line.

Sam Gagner scores a moment later off nice passing plays by Penner and Gilbert; 3-2 Dallas.

 

Third Period

 

Taylor Chorney is not an NHL hockey player. Taylor Chorney is not an NHL hockey player. Taylor Chorney is not an NHL hockey player. I suppose I should explain; I said that once for each galring mistake Chorney made on his last shift.

Ethan Moreau offside by a little under three miles.

Speaking of 3 miles, that’s roughly how far out of net Marty Turco came to knock the puck away from Dustin Penner. Penner’s out with the fourth line again.

Ethan Moreau clears the puck, and as he’s doing it (accidentally) jams his stick up under the visor of Brad Richards. Richards is bleeding from what looks like just above his eye, and he was livid at Moreau. Somehow, Moreau avoided the four minute penalty he should have taken.

The Oilers are outhitting the Stars 2:1.

Potulny went down behind the net as Skrastins hooked Potulny in the face; somehow the referees missed that one too. Dodgy officiating tonight, but the breaks seem to be fairly even.

Ethan Moreau had a gorgeous chance after Pisani and Horcoff ragged the puck in the offensive zone, but was unable to convert.

Kevin Quinn just called Devan Dubnyk “the Big Easy.” I’m sure he’s been called that before but it feels like it’s been a while; I don’t know what it is but I’m not crazy about the nickname. I suppose it beets “Dubie.”

Great pressure with time winding down results in a goal; Sam Gagner scored this one. The roar of the crowd drowns out the announcer as he announces the goal and assists to Nilsson and Potulny.

Dallas scores with just over 20 seconds to go; Denis Grebeshkov inexplicably passes to Horcoff in traffic rather than clearing the puck; Horcoff lost it, and then Jason Strudwick fell over backwards while simultaneously flipping the puck directly on to Neal’s stick. Dubnyk falls to the ice after he realizes the shot has beat him.

Penner had a glorious chance with seconds left, but this one will go to Dallas 4-3.

 

Oilers Three Stars

 

1. Dustin Penner. Sam Gagner scored the goals, but Penner played the best game he’s played in quite a while and finished the night with two assists.

2. Sam Gagner. Like I said, two goals. Gagner didn’t play a perfect game, but he did play a good game and he made up for his mistakes.

3. Ryan Potulny. Managed two points, including the Oilers’ first goal, but finished with a minus-2 rating. He was fighting through checks all night and despite the ugly plus/minus I don’t recall him being bad defensively.

DFF Star: Jason Strudwick and Denis Grebeshkov both did their best to get on this list in the final minute of the game, but the award here goes to Taylor Chorney. Welcome to the team; poor positional play and bad giveaways will only aid the quest for a high-end pick.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 24 2010, 02:29PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

As for Jack Johnson, put me down as an unqualified 'no' to acquiring him. One of the most overrated players in the game and a guy that his own G.M. thinks has a sense of entitlement.

Yeah, that's exactly what this team needs.

Hey, a young player with high upside for an expensive old player with diminising returns sounds ok to me.

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#102 Chris.
January 24 2010, 02:48PM
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Jack Johnson is under contact all next season for a mere 1.425 cap hit... and he may still have some trade value as an RFA if he isn't a fit.

Re goaltending. The difference between being a contender vs being a pretender is 90% goaltending for the majority of teams. I will never forget the way Hasek stole that quarter final game from team Canada in Nagano; or the way Bryzgalov helped Phoenix take a 180 after arriving from Annaheim; or more recently, what a difference Anderson has made in Colorado! Why is New Jersey so good? It's no secret that good steady goaltending gives the whole team confidence. IMO, the absolute best way to kickstart a rebuild is to find a steady, reliable solution in net.

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#103 Crash
January 24 2010, 02:48PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee:

While we're at it, I know you like to criticize me for cherry-picking statistics, but I thought I'd buck the trend and add some context to the ones you put in above:

Martin Biron, SV% by year:

2005-06: .905

2006-07: .903

2007-08: .918

2008-09: .915

2009-10: .900

Looking at Biron's numbers, this season his his worst post-lockout year. At 32, it's probably an aberration. As for the win/loss record, that's almost meaningless - as Dwayne Roloson proved in 2005-06.

Jeff Deslauriers, SV% by year:

2005-06: .897 (AHL)

2006-07: .908 (AHL)

2007-08: .912 (AHL)

2008-09: .901

2009-10: .900

You can argue that Deslauriers is going to develop into a better goaltender all you want, and that's fine, but Biron's obviously the better player at this point in time. As for being a "32-year old on the slide," what would be your descriptor for Khabibulin? At 37, coming off back surgery and his fifth consecutive season of significant time lost to injury, "on the slide" would be an understatement, yes?

I get that you're basically looking at next season as a write-off too, in which case the decision to go with the creaky Russian and the AHL duo makes a world of sense. I'm not yet. And because of that, I think the Oilers need some form of reliability in net - something that none of their three goaltenders (barring a late-season run) can currently provide.

IMO you are over rating Biron. Not sure what you have to go on to say Biron is obviously better than JDD at this point in time and that's not to mention DD. I'd actually go with DD over JDD. If Biron were so good why would the Flyers let him go so easily without a proven starter in place? I believe they know something that you don't.

Biron's numbers as you've stated above were on much better teams than the team JDD is playing on right now. There's no point in adding another 1.5 mil goaltender (who I bet wouldn't be willing to play here for 1.5mil next year anyway) when he doesn't come with a guarantee that he is any better than JDD or DD. More wasted money IMO.

Biron as a veteran is the number 3 goalie on the New York bloody Islanders....Nuff said

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#104 Robin Brownlee
January 24 2010, 02:51PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee:

While we're at it, I know you like to criticize me for cherry-picking statistics, but I thought I'd buck the trend and add some context to the ones you put in above:

Martin Biron, SV% by year:

2005-06: .905

2006-07: .903

2007-08: .918

2008-09: .915

2009-10: .900

Looking at Biron's numbers, this season his his worst post-lockout year. At 32, it's probably an aberration. As for the win/loss record, that's almost meaningless - as Dwayne Roloson proved in 2005-06.

Jeff Deslauriers, SV% by year:

2005-06: .897 (AHL)

2006-07: .908 (AHL)

2007-08: .912 (AHL)

2008-09: .901

2009-10: .900

You can argue that Deslauriers is going to develop into a better goaltender all you want, and that's fine, but Biron's obviously the better player at this point in time. As for being a "32-year old on the slide," what would be your descriptor for Khabibulin? At 37, coming off back surgery and his fifth consecutive season of significant time lost to injury, "on the slide" would be an understatement, yes?

I get that you're basically looking at next season as a write-off too, in which case the decision to go with the creaky Russian and the AHL duo makes a world of sense. I'm not yet. And because of that, I think the Oilers need some form of reliability in net - something that none of their three goaltenders (barring a late-season run) can currently provide.

First, I'm not angry. Three unanswered posts directed at me suggests you might be.

Second, I'm not cherry-picking anything. I'm using the stats of both goaltenders from here and now because that's what matters. If Biron is the better player "at this point in time" why are his numbers worse?

At this point in their careers, Biron is putting up marginally worse numbers than Deslauriers on a better team. This year is way more relevant to what might happen next year than what Biron did two, three or even four years ago. Why pay double for Biron to back-up Khabibulin when you can have Deslauriers or Dubnyk for half as much?

If you're looking for me to defend Khabibulin, you've come to the wrong place.

Lastly, if you think the Oilers can turn things around in the next six months -- I consider "contending" for seventh or eighth place getting back to the same old tired grind as opposed to doing a proper do-over -- then you're welcome to that opinion. It won't happen, thus Dubnyk or Deslauriers behind Khabibulin is fine.

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January 24 2010, 02:55PM
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Chris. wrote:

Jack Johnson is under contact all next season for a mere 1.425 cap hit... and he may still have some trade value as an RFA if he isn't a fit.

Re goaltending. The difference between being a contender vs being a pretender is 90% goaltending for the majority of teams. I will never forget the way Hasek stole that quarter final game from team Canada in Nagano; or the way Bryzgalov helped Phoenix take a 180 after arriving from Annaheim; or more recently, what a difference Anderson has made in Colorado! Why is New Jersey so good? It's no secret that good steady goaltending gives the whole team confidence. IMO, the absolute best way to kickstart a rebuild is to find a steady, reliable solution in net.

X2

I remember a few years ago when Bryz was on waivers, man that could have solidified the team for years.

The team needs a long term tending solution this summer. Halak makes a pile of sense IMO.

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#106 fatso
January 24 2010, 03:16PM
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Kabby is not good for this team at all! any way you look at it.

We can do better.

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#107 RossCreekNation
January 24 2010, 03:33PM
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I'd take Jack Johnson over Tom Gilbert... so IF they could then move Gilbert for a better fit, I'd take JJ for Souray.

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#108 Cool Beans
January 24 2010, 04:06PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

As for Jack Johnson, put me down as an unqualified 'no' to acquiring him. One of the most overrated players in the game and a guy that his own G.M. thinks has a sense of entitlement.

Yeah, that's exactly what this team needs.

Didn't Jack Johnson make the US Olympic team? Wouldn't that indicate he has value?

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#109 maarten
January 24 2010, 05:04PM
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@BUCK75

just as a start for next season, seing that we screw up the basic things it wont mean that we'll get that high. its just a base to work from

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#110 Maggie the Monkey
January 24 2010, 05:29PM
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Cool Beans wrote:

Didn't Jack Johnson make the US Olympic team? Wouldn't that indicate he has value?

Or it might just add more evidence to the argument that Burke is a highly over-rated GM.

I do enjoy his wit and intelligence, especially in manipulating the media, but he won his cup ring by inheriting a strong team and hasn't done a thing since. Putting himself in a position where Anaheim had to trade Andy McDonald for Weight to dump salary was a major mistake for that franchise - one of several he made - and there's no reason to believe yet that he's helping the short or long term future with the Leafs. From what I've seen and read of Johnson, he could be one of the weak links of the American Olympic team, and in a tournament with so much talent it may only take one to knock them out. Ryan Whitney and John-Michael Liles are two players, off the top of my head, that I'd take before Johnson.

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#111 Chris
January 24 2010, 05:55PM
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Did anyone notice that the Mighty Oil are now in sole possession of last place in the NHL!! Woo Hoo,, the DF5 is alive!!!

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#112 Archaeologuy
January 24 2010, 06:08PM
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@Robin Brownlee

You dont think that a top pick and the other prospects along with some quality free agents in the offseason (checking centre + defensive defenseman) could put the team into the playoffs next year?

Well, you're very probably right, but I want to believe it's possible. The team minus Moreau, Staios, and Pisani would be significantly younger but those are parts that *should* be able to be picked up again.

The problem is that no matter how much skill this team will have next year, I think the team will be hooped in net if Dubnyk or JDD doesnt step it up. Personally, I think DD has the edge.

I want to believe that the Oil can "pull a Flyers" and have a quick turn around. Despite Tambellini's efforts to jettison youth for high priced prima donnas this club still has some young guys that are still coming into their own and some guys in the system that could add more life to the club. As a fan i need to believe that next year will be better.

My only real concern is that the GM is incapable of making good moves and assessing talent. So far it's taken him extremely long stretches of silent reflection just to lose Cole, Brodziak, a 2nd round Pick, and Roloson for POS, a 5th rounder, 20 games with Kotalik, and the chronicly injured Rehabibulin. I'm not exactly convinced that he's capable of doing the job that I want to believe is possible to do.

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#113 Crash
January 24 2010, 06:18PM
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Chris wrote:

Did anyone notice that the Mighty Oil are now in sole possession of last place in the NHL!! Woo Hoo,, the DF5 is alive!!!

The DFF is a shoe in...there's no debating it's a done deal already...now it's the DF1

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#114 Chris
January 24 2010, 06:43PM
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Crash wrote:

The DFF is a shoe in...there's no debating it's a done deal already...now it's the DF1

we're number 1!! We're number 1!!!!!

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#115 Robin Brownlee
January 24 2010, 06:59PM
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@Archaeologuy

If this team rebuilds properly and begins a turnaround by making the right moves and resisting the quick fix, then next season will be better because of it, even if there isn't a big indication of that in the standings.

This mess isn't going to be cleaned up in one year, at least not if the team is interested in doing it properly -- stockpiling picks, giving prospects time to develop etc.

A lot of the people jumping onside with the DFF and claiming to have the patience to let a proper rebuild take place should add an asterisk to that claim. That asterisk would read: "Assuming it happens really, really fast." Well, it won't.

Could the Oilers clean up enough of the mess to contend for a playoff spot next year? Possibly. Is it likely the balance of this season and the summer is enough time to make all the changes required to move forward with something more meaningful than the ability to scramble for seventh or eighth place? No. Is replaying the role of perennial bubble team what fans really want for the sake of expediency? I hope not.

People need to decide if they have the stomach for a full-on rebuild or not. I hear a lot of people saying they do, but many of those same people are looking for shortcuts.

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#116 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 24 2010, 07:17PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

If this team rebuilds properly and begins a turnaround by making the right moves and resisting the quick fix, then next season will be better because of it, even if there isn't a big indication of that in the standings.

This mess isn't going to be cleaned up in one year, at least not if the team is interested in doing it properly -- stockpiling picks, giving prospects time to develop etc.

A lot of the people jumping onside with the DFF and claiming to have the patience to let a proper rebuild take place should add an asterisk to that claim. That asterisk would read: "Assuming it happens really, really fast." Well, it won't.

Could the Oilers clean up enough of the mess to contend for a playoff spot next year? Possibly. Is it likely the balance of this season and the summer is enough time to make all the changes required to move forward with something more meaningful than the ability to scramble for seventh or eighth place? No. Is replaying the role of perennial bubble team what fans really want for the sake of expediency? I hope not.

People need to decide if they have the stomach for a full-on rebuild or not. I hear a lot of people saying they do, but many of those same people are looking for shortcuts.

The fact that the team has already stock piled so much young talent gives me hope that they don't need another 4-5 years to do it right.

Thiers enough youth on the team and in the system that they should be able to add 3-5 quality role players between 25 - 30 without disrupting a rebuild. That should allow the team to be playoff competitive (7/8/9) as early as next year, and still allow for what will hopefully be a top 4 (conference) team within 2-4 years.

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#117 Pajamah
January 24 2010, 07:20PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

If this team rebuilds properly and begins a turnaround by making the right moves and resisting the quick fix, then next season will be better because of it, even if there isn't a big indication of that in the standings.

This mess isn't going to be cleaned up in one year, at least not if the team is interested in doing it properly -- stockpiling picks, giving prospects time to develop etc.

A lot of the people jumping onside with the DFF and claiming to have the patience to let a proper rebuild take place should add an asterisk to that claim. That asterisk would read: "Assuming it happens really, really fast." Well, it won't.

Could the Oilers clean up enough of the mess to contend for a playoff spot next year? Possibly. Is it likely the balance of this season and the summer is enough time to make all the changes required to move forward with something more meaningful than the ability to scramble for seventh or eighth place? No. Is replaying the role of perennial bubble team what fans really want for the sake of expediency? I hope not.

People need to decide if they have the stomach for a full-on rebuild or not. I hear a lot of people saying they do, but many of those same people are looking for shortcuts.

X2

it's the people asking who we can jettison to Atl for Kovalchuks negotiating rights

if the Oilers sign anyone over 1.5 mill in the offseason, then they aren't committed to rebuilding

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#118 TonyT
January 24 2010, 07:50PM
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I'm with Brownlee on this, based on the fact that their is little to no evidence that supports the possibility of a quick turnaround. 1) incompetent management who by this time next year will in all likelihood will still be evaluating "talent" 2) it will take a miracle for Tambellini to get rid of all the high-priced contracts, leaving only Strudwick, Pisani, and Nilson (?) as the only UFAs eligible to come off the books 3) Oilers at this point are light-years behind other clubs rebuilds. PIT, CHI, and WSH took close to a decade of high-end drafting while PHI was already a quality team before they took Van Riemsdyk.

Good day though and I am looking forward to going to LA personally!

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#119 Archaeologuy
January 24 2010, 08:08PM
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@Robin Brownlee

I hear you. The fact of the matter is I've watched the team be different shades of terrible for the last 4 years. I can handle more after this one.

My hope would be that if the Oil make the playoffs next year they will do so while looking like a team whose young stars are on the brink of reaching the next level. ie The young guys produce but clearly have more to give, much like how people thought about the Blackhawks until this year.

Shortcuts are great, but only if they actually work. Part of this rebuild will have to involve trading out parts for youth. Just so long as the Oil dont sell their goods for Magic Beans (see Ryan Smyth trade) I think there could be a decent return for a couple of the Oilers on the block.

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#120 NS_fan
January 24 2010, 08:31PM
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CAROLINA WINS!!!

Edmonton is last!!

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#121 SirFozz
January 24 2010, 09:10PM
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Wow, have the Oilers ever been last overall this late in the season before?

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#122 Chris.
January 24 2010, 09:12PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The fact that the team has already stock piled so much young talent gives me hope that they don't need another 4-5 years to do it right.

Thiers enough youth on the team and in the system that they should be able to add 3-5 quality role players between 25 - 30 without disrupting a rebuild. That should allow the team to be playoff competitive (7/8/9) as early as next year, and still allow for what will hopefully be a top 4 (conference) team within 2-4 years.

I don't think the Oilers have stock piled very much young talent at all. Omark? Chorney? Peckham? Magnus? Are these guys really NHL ready? If Chorney is the best D-Man in the system we are in real trouble because he is NOT NHL ready...

Eberle you say? Really? Another small skilled forward? Maybe... Not exactly part of a wealth of stock piled talent... Oh.. The kids that are already here? (some upwards of three seasons?) They still sure haven't proven themselves able to carry the mail. Soft. Soft. Soft. Inconsistant... and did I say soft?

*facepalm*

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#123 Chris.
January 24 2010, 09:13PM
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SirFozz wrote:

Wow, have the Oilers ever been last overall this late in the season before?

NO. Never. This sucks.

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#124 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 24 2010, 09:22PM
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Chris. wrote:

I don't think the Oilers have stock piled very much young talent at all. Omark? Chorney? Peckham? Magnus? Are these guys really NHL ready? If Chorney is the best D-Man in the system we are in real trouble because he is NOT NHL ready...

Eberle you say? Really? Another small skilled forward? Maybe... Not exactly part of a wealth of stock piled talent... Oh.. The kids that are already here? (some upwards of three seasons?) They still sure haven't proven themselves able to carry the mail. Soft. Soft. Soft. Inconsistant... and did I say soft?

*facepalm*

I'm talking about why the team doesn't need to be bruttal for another 3/4/5 years like some people are suggesting. We don't need 3/4/5 more lotto picks.

This years pick + Gagner + Brule + Smid + MSP + Eberle give the team a solid base of young talent. IMO they now need to add key role players around that. If they get the right role players, theirs no reason why the team can't be back in the PO mix as early as next season... and since the team already has a bundle of 23 and under "top picks" in the system, that wouldn't sacrifice the long term sustainability of the team.

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#125 Archaeologuy
January 24 2010, 09:47PM
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Chris. wrote:

I don't think the Oilers have stock piled very much young talent at all. Omark? Chorney? Peckham? Magnus? Are these guys really NHL ready? If Chorney is the best D-Man in the system we are in real trouble because he is NOT NHL ready...

Eberle you say? Really? Another small skilled forward? Maybe... Not exactly part of a wealth of stock piled talent... Oh.. The kids that are already here? (some upwards of three seasons?) They still sure haven't proven themselves able to carry the mail. Soft. Soft. Soft. Inconsistant... and did I say soft?

*facepalm*

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not start this now. Small skilled forwards are just fine. Eberle is hands down the best pick the Oilers could have made at the 22 position. He dominates his league and the tournaments designed for his age group. You cant dismiss the kid just because he has a body type similar to other Oiler players.

There's no telling what the Oilers' roster will look like when/if Eberle makes the team. Maybe someone (Tambi?) finds other guys to fill the physical void that is clearly not present on the team.

Have hope Chris. Gagner is the best Centre on the team and Nilsson and Cogs are poised to have better 2nd halves of the season. Yes, inconsistant, but not lost causes by any stretch. MPS is a big (enough) bodied LW and it takes Dmen longer to develop.

I guess my point is that there are enough good things about the young guys you mentioned to carry at least a bit of hope for the future.

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#127 Reagan
January 24 2010, 10:14PM
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Oilers are last place tonight. That mean in the draft lottery according to Bettman we pick fifth overall... Watch the NHL F- us over...

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#128 TonyT
January 24 2010, 10:23PM
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Reagan wrote:

Oilers are last place tonight. That mean in the draft lottery according to Bettman we pick fifth overall... Watch the NHL F- us over...

Yeah...along with the Easter Bunny and the Toothfairy! I have no such evidence or past examples, I just like saying stuff... BTW Say what you will about the Jets and Nordiques however under Bettman I still have a team.

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#129 Rob
January 24 2010, 10:42PM
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For no particular reason I checked out Flames Nation tonight and I have to say compared to this site and most of the articles on it, the comments there were an intellectual desert. Kind of like the sound of one hand clapping.

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#130 Crash
January 24 2010, 10:46PM
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Reagan wrote:

Oilers are last place tonight. That mean in the draft lottery according to Bettman we pick fifth overall... Watch the NHL F- us over...

This has been stated many times....the furthest any team can drop in the draft is one place...so even if Bettman and the NHL F-us over the worse we can draft if we finish last is 2nd

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#131 Reagan
January 25 2010, 07:12AM
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Yeah, I know. I do not have faith in the NHL though, nor do I trust them. That's all.

On the the other hand this week could be Sheldon Sourays last with the Oilers. Chime in for trade time!

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#132 VMR
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Compare our young talent to what LA and Chicago have had for years and it's pretty easy to see that we arent going to turn this around in one season. No matter who we get in the draft they arent an instant superstar, there's no Crosby-Ovechkin or even a Tavares or Hedman in this draft class.

It'll be interesting to see what they are able to do with contracts. I dont think it's going to be as easy as a lot of people think to move Souray. The rumours about him all seem to be coming from local guys with local sources. Which is no surprise but of course they will hear who our team is talking about trading with but they're not hearing how much interest the other teams actually have.

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#133 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 25 2010, 08:29AM
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Moreau sure looked good friday, that visor appears to have been the issue with his game. Wonder if he can continue the good play.

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#134 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 25 2010, 08:39AM
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VMR wrote:

Compare our young talent to what LA and Chicago have had for years and it's pretty easy to see that we arent going to turn this around in one season. No matter who we get in the draft they arent an instant superstar, there's no Crosby-Ovechkin or even a Tavares or Hedman in this draft class.

It'll be interesting to see what they are able to do with contracts. I dont think it's going to be as easy as a lot of people think to move Souray. The rumours about him all seem to be coming from local guys with local sources. Which is no surprise but of course they will hear who our team is talking about trading with but they're not hearing how much interest the other teams actually have.

Lots of talk last year that Hall > Tavares.

Also, the Hawks/Kings young talent for the most part is a couple years (litterally)ahead of where the Oilers is.

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#135 Chris.
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Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not start this now. Small skilled forwards are just fine. Eberle is hands down the best pick the Oilers could have made at the 22 position. He dominates his league and the tournaments designed for his age group. You cant dismiss the kid just because he has a body type similar to other Oiler players.

There's no telling what the Oilers' roster will look like when/if Eberle makes the team. Maybe someone (Tambi?) finds other guys to fill the physical void that is clearly not present on the team.

Have hope Chris. Gagner is the best Centre on the team and Nilsson and Cogs are poised to have better 2nd halves of the season. Yes, inconsistant, but not lost causes by any stretch. MPS is a big (enough) bodied LW and it takes Dmen longer to develop.

I guess my point is that there are enough good things about the young guys you mentioned to carry at least a bit of hope for the future.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, back. This isn't a drive by shooting. This is MY assessment of the young talent. Smid is okay and Gagner plays well after Christmas. Also, Brule looks good during the occasional ten game stretch when he isn't in intensive care... The point is, these players are already here and the team is in last place... I agree that Eberle is a fine prospect. It's also clear that the Oilers will draft another fine prospect...

IMO: Having two really good prospects and a handful of above average looking young players does NOT constitute having a wealth of stock piled young talent.

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