Armchair GM VII: Who farted?

Robin Brownlee
January 29 2010 04:25PM

"You stink!" "You stink worse!" This, in essence, is what the Battle of Alberta has come down to. With the Edmonton Oilers winless in 12 games and the Calgary Flames getting no sniff in the last nine, tomorrow night's meeting in Cowtown shapes up like a purse fight. A slapping match.

So numb are some fans during a faceplant that now stands at 0-10-2 after Thursday's 2-1 loss to St. Louis, they're taking solace in knowing the Flames will show up Saturday with their asses in the breeze and their pants around their knees in the middle of a 0-6-3 embarrassment.

Given the circumstances, I guess there's something to be said for that schadenfreude thing, but on top of taking comfort in Calgary's sudden and shocking ineptitude, I'm thinking fans might be in for a helluva game.

Just when it looks like the fight has been taken out of the Oilers — and it has looked that way — I wouldn't be surprised if they, and the Flames for that matter, show up for the puck drop hacked off and ready to go.

I'd like to think both teams are sick of gagging on the stench of defeat and that both outfits could stand to blow off some steam. That could make for a memorable tilt. And, it says here, another Oilers loss that runs the Dirty Dozen to Unlucky 13.

That would set up Monday's game against Carolina at Rexall Place, the NHL version of The Biggest Loser, quite nicely.

You call the shots

With GM Steve Tambellini locked in the fetal position and unlikely to pull the trigger on anything except the handgun he's been putting in his mouth when he's home alone — no commitment there, either — I'd like to pick your brains about some scenarios he might be facing between now and July 1.

  • Sheldon Souray has provided the list of teams he's be willing to waive his no-movement clause for in a trade. The teams include Dallas, Los Angeles and Anaheim. Keeping in mind the salary cap, who do you ask for when you pick up the telephone and talk to Joe Nieuwendyk, Dean Lombardi and Bob Murray? Please, resist the urge to make suggestions that amount to dry-fisting the aforementioned GMs.
  • The lottery is done and the Oilers, after finishing 30th, retain first pick in the lottery. Carolina GM Jim Rutherford has the third pick behind Edmonton and Toronto (which goes to Boston). Rutherford offers you his pick straight up for Dustin Penner. Do you make that deal?
  • Agent Jiri Crha puts in a call the day after the Entry Draft and informs you Ales Hemsky wants to be traded. After you sh*t yourself, which three teams do you call and who do you ask for?

A new angle?

While it goes without saying it's difficult for anybody in the Oilers line-up to distinguish themselves with the team face down in a puddle of puke, I've got to admit I haven't liked the looks of Jeff Deslauriers in weeks.

I've gone on the record repeatedly saying I like Deslauriers willingness to battle. I think, against most odds, he's shown he can be an NHL goaltender, but he's got some flaws in his technique that are alarming.

First, his angles. There's no way Deslauriers should be giving up goals on the short side, like he has in his last two games. He's either playing too deep in the net or losing the angle altogether. Probably both.

Second, Deslauriers is an atrocious puck-handler. I've known that since he fed Joffrey Lupul a gimme in the slot during an AHL game between the Edmonton Roadrunners and Cincinnati Mighty Ducks at The Pond during the lockout, but six years later? Either learn how to handle the puck or leave the damn thing alone.

If Deslauriers doesn't perform markedly better than Devan Dubnyk in the Oilers remaining games, he's going to make it impossible to justify keeping him ahead of Dubnyk. I expected him to be better than this.

This and that

  • There aren't a lot of issues I disagree with Bob Stauffer on, but his suggestion signing Jaromir Jagr might be a good thing for the Oilers in the sense it could take pressure off the younger players, like say a Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin, in the short-term is one of them. So, what, we're going to pay $4-5 million for a babysitter now? And what pressure? This team will be, or should be, in rebuild mode until the start of the 2012-13 season.
  • We haven't heard an official update on the status of Nikolai Khabibulin since surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back. There are whispers, none I can trace back to team sources, there's some obvious doubt a 37-year-old like Khabibulin will come back from the surgery. Should I feel guilty for not feeling that's a bad thing?
  • If you think I'm being pessimistic by saying it'll take the rest of this season and two more to do a proper rebuild, think again. Agent Ritch Winter phoned me twice Wednesday while I was on the air with Jason Gregor, pitching the same seven-year timeline he sold Rob Tychkowski at The Sun a week or so ago. Sorry, Ritch. Not buying it.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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A sports writer since 1983, including stints at The Edmonton Journal and The Sun 1989-2007, I happily co-host the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260 twice a week and write when so inclined. Have the best damn lawn on the internet. Most important, I am Sam's dad. Follow me on Twitter at Robin_Brownlee. Or don't.
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#1 Matt Henderson
January 29 2010, 10:44PM
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I thought Penner has been getting a raw deal for the last couple years, but for a top 3 pick I would trade him any day of the week.

From what I can remember* part of Rich Winter's belief that the Oilers are hosed in terms of rebuild has to do with the fact that their ECHL and AHL teams are terrible too. The argument being that the cupboards are so bare that the Oilers cant even ice a minor league team. My issue with that take is that the Oilers best prospects arent in the AHL or ECHL. The best prospects in Oilerville play in the CHL, KHL, SEL, and NCAA. Winter's criteria are completely missed by the Oil's current breakdown of prospect location.

*I reserve the right to be laughably wrong about whose argument this actually belongs to.

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#2 Matt Henderson
January 29 2010, 11:55PM
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OilFan wrote:

@ RossCreek

I think the ice birds would make that trade. I don't know the contracts they have. I heard that Hemsky was like 5m a year. He is young but never gets more then a point a game. I guess thats what they pay players now days

He makes 4.1 as a cap hit and that's a bargain for a point per game player.

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#3 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 12:39AM
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@RCN

It really would be a great under 23 group. But does that make it better than the other 23 and unders + an established 26 yr old in the Prime of his career? I just dont buy it I guess. Maybe my tune changes when he's in the last year of his contract and he's hinting that he wants out, but not yet.

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#4 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 09:34AM
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Who fed the Mogwai after Midnight? The posts between 12:00 and 6:00 got a little wacky. Good on you Travis for trying to reason with the pimply faced socially inept web trolls.

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#5 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 11:31AM
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@Tyler

I think you just gave the answer in your own post as to why MSM guys dont bother getting technical in their breakdown of the game. It's about their audience. There are lots of people who would love to read about the technical aspects of each game in glorious detail, but there are even more people who get turned off by that. The MSM is, after all, designed to attract the MS. There has to be a fine line between coming off as knowledgeable and sounding too much like a text-book.

I doubt that the MSM "can't be bothered" to learn about systems so much as they dont want to lose readers by spending copious amounts of time writing about aspects of the game that most readers dont actually care to read about. It is a business after all.

There is, though, an audience that wants to read about those often ignored aspects of the game, and other writers fill those niche markets. It is faulty thinking, I believe, to assume that just because someone does not spend all their time writing about technical aspects of the Game that the writer in question "couldnt be bothered to learn" about the them.

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#6 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 11:58AM
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@Tyler

A fair debate or exchange that includes you using words like "dumb", "stupid", and "incomprehensible"?

Oh yeah, quite the debate skills you have.

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#7 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 12:11PM
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"It's not the being wrong, it's how incomprehensible it all is and how much the rationale shifts to fit whatever the facts are at a given time."

This is my favourite complaint. How dare you adapt your thinking to the available information of the day! You should make a pick and stick with it no matter how wrong you are eventually proven. To do otherwise would make you wishy-washy.

What a load of sh*t.

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#8 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 12:25PM
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@Tyler

But what was his point in this latest article? To suggest that JDD will never be an NHL talent? I dont think that's what he was saying at all.

From what I read, I gathered that he was dissappointed by JDD's play and that if he continued to play this way the Oilers would be forced to keep DD over JDD if they were forced to choose.

Nowhere in his latest piece did I read anything to suggest he didnt think that the kid has it in him to succeed. Just that if his recent play doesnt improve the Oil would probably leave him open to waiver wire on his way down to Springfield next season instead of DD.

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#9 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 02:06PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

I dont mind the back and forth jabber, but when these guys are claiming some sort of argumentative superiority despite having almost nothing behind their arguments except name calling then I dont mind calling them on it.

Brownlee didnt claim to be a great debater while using the most basic of false arguments. The trolls however did.

Some basic reading comprehension skills could have helped the complainers who tried to jump on Brownlee for "abandoning" JDD when he really did no such thing.

I'm not even so much defending Brownlee as I am pointing out some terrible brand of argument built on misinterpretation and hyperbole.

And dont defend Tyler for only referring to RB's ideas as Dumb or Stupid instead of using those words to refer to RB himself. Can you honestly tell me you dont think that by doing so Tyler was also saying that RB was Stupid? No.

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#10 JackBauer
January 29 2010, 04:32PM
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"Sheldon Souray has provided the list of teams he's be willing to waive his no-movement clause for in a trade. The teams include Dallas, Los Angeles and Anaheim. Keeping in mind the salary cap, who do you ask for when you pick up the telephone and talk to Joe Nieuwendyk, Dean Lombardi and Bob Murray? Please, resist the urge to make suggestions that amount to dry-fisting the aforementioned GMs."

A first round pick, and a 3rd line center/or 2 AHl picks to send to the farm.

The lottery is done and the Oilers, after finishing 30th, retain first pick in the lottery. Carolina GM Jim Rutherford has the third pick behind Edmonton and Toronto (which goes to Boston). Rutherford offers you his pick straight up for Dustin Penner. Do you make that deal?

An overwhelming yes!

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#11 Colby Cosh
January 29 2010, 04:40PM
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Some goalies are weak to the short side. And some hockey writers are weak up the backside. Welcome to Obvious Town, Mr. Brownlee.

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#12 Jamie B.
January 29 2010, 04:44PM
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Am I right in thinking the ONLY way to get "cap relief" from Khabibulin's contract is to keep him technically on the roster but on LTIR? Which doesn't erase it but lets them spend that much over the cap? It's still there if he retires, gets sent down, etc, yes?

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#13 dragon
January 29 2010, 04:46PM
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nothing else happens, so I'll bite: for Souray + Moreau a. from DAL: Fistric & Brunnstrom b. from ANA: Koivu & Chipchura c. from LA: Simmonds & Johnson

3rd pick for Penner? No. Teams stinks, he still tries to fight through, he can stay...

Hemmer traded? What, we're not rebuilding around Hemmer? ~ To Boston for Toronto's pick and prospect defensman.

Saturday game: that's all is left in here - to get a spanking from 0-6-2 (F)lames....

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#14 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 29 2010, 04:48PM
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Colby Cosh wrote:

Some goalies are weak to the short side. And some hockey writers are weak up the backside. Welcome to Obvious Town, Mr. Brownlee.

beer league goalies are weak short side.

NHL goalies should not be.

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#15 Jmask5
January 29 2010, 04:49PM
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Didn't Jagr say that if he came back he'd play for close to the league minimum because it would be less pressure to preform?? Either way if the Oilers are planning to sign him for 4.5 or anywhere near that then there defenitely needs to be some firings.

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#16 Tyler
January 29 2010, 04:49PM
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I've gone on the record repeatedly saying I like Deslauriers willingness to battle.

Well yes, you did say that. Inter alia, as the geeks say. I believe you also declared that he had, quote: "...pretty much shoved it up the backsides of his critics once and for all as to his ability to be a competent NHL starter."

Oh, and you added this:

Not long ago, I praised Deslauriers for, in my estimation, proving his many critics wrong during a 10-game stretch. That prompted some numbers nerds at another website to take shots at me for doing it — a 10-game sample size, that’s absurd, they sniffed. Not surprising to me, really. I’ve made it known I don’t put much faith in their numbers and they, in return, enjoy making it clear they don’t put much weight in my words. Fine. Good. Whatever.

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I said it before, I said it in that piece last week and I’ll say it again after watching him stiff the Flames on a night the Oilers should have lost by a half-dozen goals: Deslauriers is an NHL starter. I’m not basing that on 10 games, I’m basing that opinion on eight years of watching him stop pucks — something I maybe didn’t make clear enough in the item that had the geeks scoffing at my take.

How can you let eight years of watching him stop pucks (albeit not on shots to the short side) be overridden by a lousy month? It's a tiny sample Robin - a tiny sample.

BTW - you a fan of the West Wing? Ever see "Take out the Trash Day"? Great episode.

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#17 Tyler
January 29 2010, 04:54PM
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Oh and re: Khabby - the Oilers are screwed if he can't come back. I looked for some guys who had the same operation, came up with Daren Puppa and Ed Belfour. Puppa actually had the same surgeon, it appears. So we got that going for us, which is nice.

The rebuild won't begin until Tambo is gone and Lowe is doing nothing more important than attending pancake breakfasts.

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#18 jeanshorts
January 29 2010, 04:54PM
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After they ran that piece last night about how Hasek was JDD's favorite goalie, A LOT of things started making sense.

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#19 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 29 2010, 04:59PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

After they ran that piece last night about how Hasek was JDD's favorite goalie, A LOT of things started making sense.

did you figure out the caramilk secret?

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#20 Ender
January 29 2010, 05:02PM
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Penner for the third overall. Damn. You may note that Penner is my goat. I'm on record for not liking the guy. All that said, I simply cannot justify swapping the team point leader, sucky team or no, on someone who may turn out to be Alexandre Daigle. This year's draft is not incredibly deep and while we think the first three picks look reasonably solid, we have to remember that they're still prospects.

If I'm looking to hang on to my spot as GM, I'm trading my leading scorer only for a proven commodity if at all. Rolling the dice on a pick in that fashion is just asking to get burned; it's the hockey equivelant of 'All-In'. I couldn't justify it, although if Penner does become invisible again I can't say I would be surprised. All in all, the risk does not equal the potential gain. Buy yourself some role players; win a face-off and kill a penalty. If you've got to ship Penner out, these are the players you need to be getting back.

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#21 Ryan
January 29 2010, 05:07PM
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Hemsky for Jordan Staal.

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#22 Kitchener Oilfan
January 29 2010, 05:19PM
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Derek Zona from copper & blue:

http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/1/29/1283224/vlasic-down-with-a-knee-injury

http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/1/29/1283727/breaking-down-vlasics-injury

is this the break that we need in order facilitate a trade with San Jose? I'm thinking if Vlasic's injury is an season ending injury, Doug Wilson's hands are tied and will be forced to make somekind of move. Thoughts?

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#23 Wanye
January 29 2010, 05:25PM
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OOOOO Brownlee all the mean kids have shown up and are yelling at you. What EVER will you do in response?

*sits down in a lawn chair with a case of beer to witness what Brownlee does in response*

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#24 1101101
January 29 2010, 05:29PM
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Colby Cosh wrote:

Some goalies are weak to the short side. And some hockey writers are weak up the backside. Welcome to Obvious Town, Mr. Brownlee.

Hey Colby Cosh,

Hopefully my grandma figures out how to use an internet so she can check you out at her favourite magazine's website. If you want to be a dick, maybe go back where you came from. More people have just read you embarassing yourself here than your blog probably gets in a month.

Beat it.

Oh, and welcome to the OilersNation.

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#25 Racki
January 29 2010, 05:37PM
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My list of what to ask for from these teams:

Dallas: Not too sure, but I'd say as high a pick as possible.

Anaheim: Nick Boynton plus a pick or prospect (may need to take some more salary on though)

Los Angeles: Jack Johnson (plus more if at all possible).

I could be completely off base with these suggestions though. I would like to see Boynton or Johnson here. Boynton because I think he addresses the need of toughness, but also is decent enough on the offensive side. And perhaps playing here for a bit will give him a bit of reason to re-sign here. Johnson may a bit of a gamble though, given that there are some apparent attitude issues.



Oh btw, I agree wholeheartedly on non-signing Jagr. If it were a few years ago, sure. But there are cheaper solutions that would help the team as much.

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#26 jeanshorts
January 29 2010, 05:41PM
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@Wanye

You know, some of us appreciate it when others return emails!

*rips off his Snuggy® and runs out of the house bawling*

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#27 Slapshot
January 29 2010, 05:53PM
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Robin If Tamballini sits there and does not pull the trigger do you think Katz will do a complete overhaul? and I know you have mentioned it on here before, but I think bringing in someone like Rich Winter as your President and GM is what this organization needs to move forward.There should be alot of pink slips at seasons end, to both the players and management.

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#28 Mr DeBakey
January 29 2010, 05:53PM
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"sits down in a lawn chair with a case of beer to witness what Brownlee does in response"

He's going to admit those numbers nerds were right?

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#29 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 29 2010, 06:01PM
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Oilfan2010 wrote:

Nah, he will just insult them without actually saying anything before heading off to beat his wife.

Wow - that was a little dark. I'm not always on board with Brownlee, but I think I draw the line there.

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#30 The Magic Man
January 29 2010, 06:06PM
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I don't know who farted between the Oilers and The Flames, but I do know that I farted and it smells like Cheese! Ummmmmmmmm Cheese!!

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#31 shanetrain
January 29 2010, 06:10PM
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Souray should be able to get you JJohnson and 2nd rounder from LA?

From Anaheim, maybe Artyuhkin and 2nd rounder.

From Dallas, Fistric and 2nd rounder.

I would very hesitantly let Penner go with the thought any one of Hall Seguin or Fowler should have solid NHL careers.

I would be extremely happy if Hemsky in fact wanted out!

Maybe he would fetch Anisimov and Sanguinetti from the Rangers?

Simmonds and Voynov from L.A.?

Eric Fehr and Karl Alzner from Washington?

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#32 Jasmine
January 29 2010, 06:11PM
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If Tambellini is fired, I want someone from a successful organization. Jim Nill from Detroit comes to mind. David Conte of New Jersey also comes to mind.

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#33 Tyler
January 29 2010, 06:21PM
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More people have just read you embarassing yourself here than your blog probably gets in a month.

Cosh never should have declared that JDD "...pretty much shoved it up the backsides of his critics once and for all as to his ability to be a competent NHL starter."

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#34 jeanshorts
January 29 2010, 06:22PM
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@Oilfan2010

There's a pretty big difference between criticizing someone for something they wrote, or disagreeing with their viewpoint, and taking an unimaginative pot shot at someone for no reason other than you're insecure with the fact that you have never been laid.

Thanks for contributing.

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#35 OILER86
January 29 2010, 06:30PM
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@Oilfan2010

Oilfan2010 not sure why you went personal on Brownlee but you're classless, unfunny, and amuse only yourself.

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#36 Travis Dakin
January 29 2010, 06:30PM
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@jeanshorts

Don't bother, he doesn't even actually read them.

*curses facebook again for suggesting Wanye Gretz be his friend*

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#37 Westcoastoil
January 29 2010, 06:31PM
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Racki wrote:

My list of what to ask for from these teams:

Dallas: Not too sure, but I'd say as high a pick as possible.

Anaheim: Nick Boynton plus a pick or prospect (may need to take some more salary on though)

Los Angeles: Jack Johnson (plus more if at all possible).

I could be completely off base with these suggestions though. I would like to see Boynton or Johnson here. Boynton because I think he addresses the need of toughness, but also is decent enough on the offensive side. And perhaps playing here for a bit will give him a bit of reason to re-sign here. Johnson may a bit of a gamble though, given that there are some apparent attitude issues.



Oh btw, I agree wholeheartedly on non-signing Jagr. If it were a few years ago, sure. But there are cheaper solutions that would help the team as much.

Boynton!? that made me throw up in my mouth a little. Pray to the ghost of Grant Fuhr that Khabby can go LTIR or Mogilny for the rest of his contract.

From: Dallas - Fistric or Benn and as high a pick as you can get. LA - one of Simmons/Johnson a pick and you could take Williams if you had to to make the $ work since he's a UFA in '11 and a good player (when healthy) with some experience for the kids to lean on Ana - ~Lupul~ orrrr Wisniewski (if you could get him) or Carter + picks depending on which player

Keep Penner make Hemmer happy

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#38 Travis Dakin
January 29 2010, 06:33PM
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@Oilfan2010 @Tyeler @Colby Cosh

Please explain to me your agenda is. I mean seriously, you guys have your exclusive little playgrounds throughout the web where you get to make fun of those of differing opinions than yours, so what is it you are trying to accomplish with the drive-bys over here?

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#39 jeanshorts
January 29 2010, 06:34PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

@Oilfan2010 @Tyeler @Colby Cosh

Please explain to me your agenda is. I mean seriously, you guys have your exclusive little playgrounds throughout the web where you get to make fun of those of differing opinions than yours, so what is it you are trying to accomplish with the drive-bys over here?

Brownlee hates stats. Stats guys hate Brownlee.

CATFIGHT!!!!!

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#40 Colby Cosh
January 29 2010, 06:34PM
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1101101 wrote:

Hey Colby Cosh,

Hopefully my grandma figures out how to use an internet so she can check you out at her favourite magazine's website. If you want to be a dick, maybe go back where you came from. More people have just read you embarassing yourself here than your blog probably gets in a month.

Beat it.

Oh, and welcome to the OilersNation.

Embarrassing myself? What'd I do--stake my reputation on a technically dubious goalie, boast scatologically about how he had silenced his critics forever, and immediately see him implode?

Look, we all eat crow occasionally, but I was sincerely confused when RB crawled out on a limb to kill and eat one. (And I'm still confused about the "last two games" thing. Two??)

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#41 ~Steele
January 29 2010, 06:36PM
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My thought is that Jeff Deslauriers hurt his glove hand a while back and that's why Dubbie got so may starts. I have been watching Deslaurier since he got the nod the past two games and besides the fact that he goes to his knees with every shot at him he has had problems picking up the puck with his glove hand when handing it to the Refs. So, an injury???? An injury he's just coming back from?

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#42 H-time
January 29 2010, 06:38PM
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You call the shots:

1- For Souray, any number of things would work, 1st or 2nd round pick + crap. I wouldnt mind seeing a tough Dman (ala Matt Greene) coming back or a defensive faceoff winning C (ala David Steckel)

2- I keep Penner, although he only has 1 year left on his deal it would be a real gut wrenching choice. With Penner we only need to fill 3 top 6 slots, without Penner, we only have 2 top 6 FW\\'s, and I\\'m being generous calling Gagner one though he\\'s gotten better. I hold on to him though and see what he does next season, and either deal at deadline or re-sign. However, Id talk to DP first, and if he didn\\'t like would resign 1 year later Id deal him, won\\'t get better than a top 3 pick for him at deadline.

3- I curl up in the fetal position and cry, then call Detroit, Philly and if CHI still has all this talent and needs to dump I do them. Det - try to take one of their good for the cap players. PHI - Gagne, or Carter, or anyone they feel they need to dump that week since it changes all the time. Chi - Sharp, Versteeg +, so many options.

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#43 H-time
January 29 2010, 06:39PM
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@RB

Although since seemingly no one asked yet, I\'m curious what you would do in each of the three scenarios you listed. All are toughies.

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#44 Travis Dakin
January 29 2010, 06:45PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

Brownlee hates stats. Stats guys hate Brownlee.

CATFIGHT!!!!!

It's just like high school.

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#45 devoknows
January 29 2010, 06:48PM
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Is Washington on Sourays list? I just heard a few minutes ago while tweeting that Green from Washington might be done for the year with a serious knee injury. Im thinking Souray might be an option for Washington now

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#46 VK63
January 29 2010, 06:49PM
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From Dallas... Warren Peters, Grace the ice girl and a first rounder. Actually Peters is a UFA, he can be had in the summer for the min. So just Grace and a first. Throw in Travis Morin

Los Angeles..... Teubert .... dont care if hes a dick head, its Regina, its easy to think highly of yourself when surrounded by people wearing watermelons that...... ah never mind... its regina. Take Kozun as a throw in thus eliminating the need to give the swedish shrimp a dangle and that entire goat rodeo

Anaheim...... Justin Schultz, Kyle Palmieri, Brenden Mikkelson.

So effectively its Penner for Fowler and you have eased 4 million in salary. Not bad... Penners deal is over by the time this team does anything significant anyways. Straight up.. or can we get another prospect/ AHL guy from Rutherford for a top up?

I talk to Vancouver for Hemmer and ask for Kessler or Hodgson and Schroeder and Scott Arneil...please Buffalo... tyler myers and the coach James Patrick... please

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#47 jeanshorts
January 29 2010, 06:58PM
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So, against my better judgment I'm watching the Leafs/Devils game (I find a bit of solace in watching another team wallow in their own crapitude, especially since they have nothing to look forward to at the draft) and some guy just walked by the camera wearing a Devils jersey with "Godzilla" #69 on the back. There should be a better screening process for who gets let into NHL games.

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#48 speeds
January 29 2010, 07:02PM
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Ender wrote:

Penner for the third overall. Damn. You may note that Penner is my goat. I'm on record for not liking the guy. All that said, I simply cannot justify swapping the team point leader, sucky team or no, on someone who may turn out to be Alexandre Daigle. This year's draft is not incredibly deep and while we think the first three picks look reasonably solid, we have to remember that they're still prospects.

If I'm looking to hang on to my spot as GM, I'm trading my leading scorer only for a proven commodity if at all. Rolling the dice on a pick in that fashion is just asking to get burned; it's the hockey equivelant of 'All-In'. I couldn't justify it, although if Penner does become invisible again I can't say I would be surprised. All in all, the risk does not equal the potential gain. Buy yourself some role players; win a face-off and kill a penalty. If you've got to ship Penner out, these are the players you need to be getting back.

It would be a total no brainer for EDM to make that trade; it's hardly even debatable. They aren't particularly well positioned to be contending in the next year or two; it wouldn't make any sense for the Oilers to turn down that trade given the projected state of the team for the next season or two.

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#49 Racki
January 29 2010, 07:05PM
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Boynton!? that made me throw up in my mouth a little. Pray to the ghost of Grant Fuhr that Khabby can go LTIR or Mogilny for the rest of his contract.

From: Dallas - Fistric or Benn and as high a pick as you can get. LA - one of Simmons/Johnson a pick and you could take Williams if you had to to make the $ work since he's a UFA in '11 and a good player (when healthy) with some experience for the kids to lean on Ana - ~Lupul~ orrrr Wisniewski (if you could get him) or Carter + picks depending on which player

Keep Penner make Hemmer happy

I'm not talking about Boynton being a centerpiece of the deal, but he would be a good piece to get from Anaheim because he brings a good physical game and, again, can play well at both ends of the ice. He has his flaws, but I think he'd be a good player to get that allows us to move Staios.

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#50 Harlie
January 29 2010, 07:06PM
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good piece...lots of meat to chew on...thanks RB

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