Armchair GM VII: Who farted?

Robin Brownlee
January 29 2010 04:25PM

"You stink!" "You stink worse!" This, in essence, is what the Battle of Alberta has come down to. With the Edmonton Oilers winless in 12 games and the Calgary Flames getting no sniff in the last nine, tomorrow night's meeting in Cowtown shapes up like a purse fight. A slapping match.

So numb are some fans during a faceplant that now stands at 0-10-2 after Thursday's 2-1 loss to St. Louis, they're taking solace in knowing the Flames will show up Saturday with their asses in the breeze and their pants around their knees in the middle of a 0-6-3 embarrassment.

Given the circumstances, I guess there's something to be said for that schadenfreude thing, but on top of taking comfort in Calgary's sudden and shocking ineptitude, I'm thinking fans might be in for a helluva game.

Just when it looks like the fight has been taken out of the Oilers — and it has looked that way — I wouldn't be surprised if they, and the Flames for that matter, show up for the puck drop hacked off and ready to go.

I'd like to think both teams are sick of gagging on the stench of defeat and that both outfits could stand to blow off some steam. That could make for a memorable tilt. And, it says here, another Oilers loss that runs the Dirty Dozen to Unlucky 13.

That would set up Monday's game against Carolina at Rexall Place, the NHL version of The Biggest Loser, quite nicely.

You call the shots

With GM Steve Tambellini locked in the fetal position and unlikely to pull the trigger on anything except the handgun he's been putting in his mouth when he's home alone — no commitment there, either — I'd like to pick your brains about some scenarios he might be facing between now and July 1.

  • Sheldon Souray has provided the list of teams he's be willing to waive his no-movement clause for in a trade. The teams include Dallas, Los Angeles and Anaheim. Keeping in mind the salary cap, who do you ask for when you pick up the telephone and talk to Joe Nieuwendyk, Dean Lombardi and Bob Murray? Please, resist the urge to make suggestions that amount to dry-fisting the aforementioned GMs.
  • The lottery is done and the Oilers, after finishing 30th, retain first pick in the lottery. Carolina GM Jim Rutherford has the third pick behind Edmonton and Toronto (which goes to Boston). Rutherford offers you his pick straight up for Dustin Penner. Do you make that deal?
  • Agent Jiri Crha puts in a call the day after the Entry Draft and informs you Ales Hemsky wants to be traded. After you sh*t yourself, which three teams do you call and who do you ask for?

A new angle?

While it goes without saying it's difficult for anybody in the Oilers line-up to distinguish themselves with the team face down in a puddle of puke, I've got to admit I haven't liked the looks of Jeff Deslauriers in weeks.

I've gone on the record repeatedly saying I like Deslauriers willingness to battle. I think, against most odds, he's shown he can be an NHL goaltender, but he's got some flaws in his technique that are alarming.

First, his angles. There's no way Deslauriers should be giving up goals on the short side, like he has in his last two games. He's either playing too deep in the net or losing the angle altogether. Probably both.

Second, Deslauriers is an atrocious puck-handler. I've known that since he fed Joffrey Lupul a gimme in the slot during an AHL game between the Edmonton Roadrunners and Cincinnati Mighty Ducks at The Pond during the lockout, but six years later? Either learn how to handle the puck or leave the damn thing alone.

If Deslauriers doesn't perform markedly better than Devan Dubnyk in the Oilers remaining games, he's going to make it impossible to justify keeping him ahead of Dubnyk. I expected him to be better than this.

This and that

  • There aren't a lot of issues I disagree with Bob Stauffer on, but his suggestion signing Jaromir Jagr might be a good thing for the Oilers in the sense it could take pressure off the younger players, like say a Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin, in the short-term is one of them. So, what, we're going to pay $4-5 million for a babysitter now? And what pressure? This team will be, or should be, in rebuild mode until the start of the 2012-13 season.
  • We haven't heard an official update on the status of Nikolai Khabibulin since surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back. There are whispers, none I can trace back to team sources, there's some obvious doubt a 37-year-old like Khabibulin will come back from the surgery. Should I feel guilty for not feeling that's a bad thing?
  • If you think I'm being pessimistic by saying it'll take the rest of this season and two more to do a proper rebuild, think again. Agent Ritch Winter phoned me twice Wednesday while I was on the air with Jason Gregor, pitching the same seven-year timeline he sold Rob Tychkowski at The Sun a week or so ago. Sorry, Ritch. Not buying it.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#101 Wanyes bastard child
January 30 2010, 12:33AM
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David S wrote:

That's weaksauce and you know it. Robin isn't a pro scout so his job doesn't depend on "being right" about players. Still, my guess is if I put his player judgment against yours as far as Oilers go, he'd be 9 for 10. I doubt you'd do nearly as well. On top of which, he admits he swings and misses once in a while, and you still take him to task. To what end I might ask? Man, your sense of self importance is through the roof.

At the end of the day those who can, do. And they get well paid for it. Those who can't make sure their own blogs are direct linked to their signatures when they drive-by post.

*starts a slow cap*

@ Wanye

I need you direction here... im torn between

a) Giving Robin a hug for being awesome

b) Punching Colby Cosh, Tyler and Oilfan2010 all in the throat at the same time for being douches (and yes all at the same time because like the great Chuck Norris behind my beard is hidden another fist!).

c) Do both...

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On the important note.

Souray trade, i'd go Matt Greene + a pick.

Penner... fck me, thats a tough one. Part of me says yes, part of me says no. I've always been a supporter but even given last year in the dog house and played on every line including the 5th and 9th he put up decent points and goals. Sure he looks lazy alot of the time but I believe if you can shake the team up enough you can get more production out of him, keep him with a stable line and keep him motivated. So do I trade for the pick? I say no unless its a pick plus..

Hemsky, Hemsky, Hemsky... If he and his agent ask for a deal theres not much you can do, I really hope they don't so im not even going to go there!

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#102 RossCreekNation
January 30 2010, 12:34AM
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@Matt Henderson

I think Staal would be their best player. Ideally, you would have both. But I think I would be inclined to choose Staal over Hemsky for the Oilers (for the Penguins, I may go the other way). Staal, Gagner, Brule, Eberle, Svensson, Hall... quite the group of guys 23 and younger.

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#103 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 30 2010, 12:35AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
a pick that has a very high chance of becoming an ELITE player.

I'm not certain I would claim that the 3rd pick has a VERY high chance of becoming an elite player. That seems to be overstating the value a tad.

20 years of #3 picks.

89 - Scott Thornton 90 - Keith Primeau 91 - Scott Niedermayer 92 - Mike Rathje 93 - Chris Gratton 94 - Radek Bonk 95 - Aki Berg 96 - J.P. Dumont 97 - Olli Jokinen 98 - Brad Stuart 99 - Henrik Sedin 00 - Marian Gaborik 01 - Alexander Svitov 02 - Jay Bouwmeester 03 - Nathan Horton 04 - Cam Barker 05 - Jack Johnson 06 - Jonathan Toews 07 - Kyle Turris 08 - Zach Bogosian 09 - Matt Duchene

I highlighted some elite players. Some may want to include Horton, but he is having the best year of his career so far and he hasn't really been any better than Penner.

The last few picks we will have to see how they shake out. Duchene look good so far but he is not an elite player now. Maybe some day.

Seems to me, the number 3 pick gives you about a 25-35% chance of landing an elite player.

Some pretty good players on there, but I would take this years Penner over more than half of them, so I guess the bet comes down to how well you believe Penner will play moving forward.

You're right, it's certainly no slam dunk (though I'd probably bundle up 2 - 4 to give a bigger sample size).

Like you said though, alot depends on what you expect out of Penner going forward. Personally, I'm penciling him in as a 25-30/55-65 guy for the next 3-5 years.(which we very resonably could only get 2 of)

Also, I guess it depends on your definition of elite, but Jokenin had to be close for a decent stretch of years, same as Primeau. I'd also bet heavy that Bogosian will be a top Dman for a long time, and though I'm slightly less confident, I'd guess Duchene will be a All-star forward as well.

Having two, top three picks would also drastically increase our odds of adding a superstar at this draft. odds are at least 1 of the top 3 picks will be a true superstar, having two cracks at it would give us a pretty good shot.

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#104 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 30 2010, 12:38AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I'm not entirely sold on Staal as a legit 1st line centre. He's stuck on the 3rd line in Pittsburgh but I dont know if he'll ever be that 1st liner the Oil want. It's not as if he's been overly dominant in the F/O circle, or put up a tonne of points. The best part for him is that he's only 21 though.

The problem I have is with giving up the only legit and consistant 1st line NHLer on the club for a guy who might be a 1st liner, maybe.

And please dont come back with "you always choose Hemsky over X player". Honestly, I would like to know why you think the Oilers should deal their best player for Staal.

Ya, I agree. Staal's age makes him attractive. But I see him at best a 30/70 guy. We KNOW Hemsky can consistantly put up 70+.

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#105 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 12:39AM
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@RossCreekNation

It really would be a great under 23 group. But does that make it better than the other 23 and unders + an established 26 yr old in the Prime of his career? I just dont buy it I guess. Maybe my tune changes when he's in the last year of his contract and he's hinting that he wants out, but not yet.

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#106 wazy08
January 30 2010, 12:41AM
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Dave wrote:

Look, I've been dismayed at times at what I perceive to be a dismissive, elitest,entitled and arrogant tone to RB's writing however one day not too long ago I happened to be at a function with my family where I was watching my daughter play with a large warm grin across my face. I noticed what I assume to be RB's wife and son playing in the same area and looked over to see RB with the same warm grin across his mug. That was a moment I realized I can sometimes let my passions get the better of me and to be mindful not to cross the line when expressing a different opinion. You just lept over that line and if I was RB I would be tempted to take legal action against you for liable(sp). There is nothing funny about that accusation, you are a douche,no something worse than a douche, like re-douche.

Wow Oilfan2010, you are a complete loser. Taking a shot at someone's personal life is complete garbage. Nice mouth you loser, good luck never writing on these boards again. Brownlee, I might not always agree with what you are saying, but I sure enjoy reading your comments and articles. And you were probably the only sports reporter from the Edmonton Sun that I enjoyed reading. Its too bad we have moronic individuals that take shots at a guys livelihood, or personal shots at their families etc...Have fun being banned from here Oilfans2010 proof that some individuals need to continue on with their psych evaluations.

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#107 Moop
January 30 2010, 12:51AM
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CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?!? This horrible season is tearing us apart!

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#108 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 12:58AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Hey, did you hear? OBJ just found out about www.jeanshortsandbaggedmilk.com. Maybe he'll be there tomorrow. Should I bring the vaseline?

Wait... how do you know about www.jeanshortsandbaggedmilk.com? who told you?

Oh god it's happening again.... hahaha

OGDEN!!!!!!

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#109 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 01:00AM
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David S wrote:

That's weaksauce and you know it. Robin isn't a pro scout so his job doesn't depend on "being right" about players. Still, my guess is if I put his player judgment against yours as far as Oilers go, he'd be 9 for 10. I doubt you'd do nearly as well. On top of which, he admits he swings and misses once in a while, and you still take him to task. To what end I might ask? Man, your sense of self importance is through the roof.

At the end of the day those who can, do. And they get well paid for it. Those who can't make sure their own blogs are direct linked to their signatures when they drive-by post.

*gives David S. an internet rusty trombone*

Well played... well played.

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#110 TigerUnderGlass
January 30 2010, 01:10AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

You're right, it's certainly no slam dunk (though I'd probably bundle up 2 - 4 to give a bigger sample size).

I'm not sure if I should. I think there is as much difference between 2 and three as there is between 1 and 2. Not only that but adding pick 4 pulls the percentage down since only maybe 3 number 4 picks can be called elite over the past 20 years. Kariya, Backstrom, and Luongo, although we can wait and see on the most recent picks again.

Also, I guess it depends on your definition of elite, but Jokenin had to be close for a decent stretch of years, same as Primeau. I'd also bet heavy that Bogosian will be a top Dman for a long time, and though I'm slightly less confident, I'd guess Duchene will be a All-star forward as well.

I accounted for those late picks to possibly bloom when I estimated 25-35%.I liked Primeau, but I have a hard time calling him elite. The question with Jokinen is, does 2 years with big numbers mean you are an elite player?

Either way, the point is moot because, as I said, I accounted for a couple extra guys to be called elite, and any way you shake it, I would still take Penner over more than half that list. Do you trade a probable 60 point guy for a 35% chance that you will get a better than 60 point guy?

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#111 TigerUnderGlass
January 30 2010, 01:16AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ya, I agree. Staal's age makes him attractive. But I see him at best a 30/70 guy. We KNOW Hemsky can consistantly put up 70+.

Same. AT BEST a 70 point guy. I am not even that optimistic. I don't think his hands are good enough and I think he ends up as a 55-60 point guy who might have a bigger year or two somewhere along the line.

Everyone wants to talk about how he doesn't get scoring linemates, but he also gets to regularly play lesser opposition.

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#112 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 01:16AM
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@David S

"David S wrote:

That's weaksauce and you know it. Robin isn't a pro scout so his job doesn't depend on "being right" about players. Still, my guess is if I put his player judgment against yours as far as Oilers go, he'd be 9 for 10. I doubt you'd do nearly as well."

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You've been smoking the drapes, pal. I think we both know that if I corner you on this ... you'll lift your skirt and run.

Honestly, whether "Wnaye" gives you RESPECK! or not, you know you won't back that up. Admit it to yourself, that's the first step.

Brownlee would't be within a mile of you if you ever did. I can't tell you how I know that, but I do. Some cats just don't have balls, and it's not my fault that this is true.

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#113 TigerUnderGlass
January 30 2010, 01:20AM
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Vic Ferrari wrote:

"David S wrote:

That's weaksauce and you know it. Robin isn't a pro scout so his job doesn't depend on "being right" about players. Still, my guess is if I put his player judgment against yours as far as Oilers go, he'd be 9 for 10. I doubt you'd do nearly as well."

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You've been smoking the drapes, pal. I think we both know that if I corner you on this ... you'll lift your skirt and run.

Honestly, whether "Wnaye" gives you RESPECK! or not, you know you won't back that up. Admit it to yourself, that's the first step.

Brownlee would't be within a mile of you if you ever did. I can't tell you how I know that, but I do. Some cats just don't have balls, and it's not my fault that this is true.

That was the most confused post I have seen since deepoil left.

"Back that up?"

What is that even supposed to mean in this context?

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#114 Wanyes bastard child
January 30 2010, 01:22AM
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Vic Ferrari wrote:

"David S wrote:

That's weaksauce and you know it. Robin isn't a pro scout so his job doesn't depend on "being right" about players. Still, my guess is if I put his player judgment against yours as far as Oilers go, he'd be 9 for 10. I doubt you'd do nearly as well."

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You've been smoking the drapes, pal. I think we both know that if I corner you on this ... you'll lift your skirt and run.

Honestly, whether "Wnaye" gives you RESPECK! or not, you know you won't back that up. Admit it to yourself, that's the first step.

Brownlee would't be within a mile of you if you ever did. I can't tell you how I know that, but I do. Some cats just don't have balls, and it's not my fault that this is true.

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#115 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 01:23AM
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Tyler:

Wow, how exactly did you get that far under Brownlee's skin? Those are some nasty little swats he took at you, the ones you quoted above. Maybe you deserved it, I dunno.

You're from a small town too, Tyler. Ever notice that the obnoxious guys wearing muscle shirts in the bar are just fat guys? Often doesn't end well for them either. I'm sure that's a shared experience for most of us here.

Sometimes it's best just to let him sit there, though.

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#116 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 01:26AM
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He's a troll Tiger, forget him.

I just signed in, there was a long list of boxes to tick ... seemed to be marketing stuff. I picked the top box all the way through without reading.

I trust you won't report me to your advertisers.

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#117 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 01:27AM
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TigerUnderGlass:

How could I be more explicit.

Imagine there is someone taking all wagers on Brownlee's assertions ... think man, think.

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#118 TigerUnderGlass
January 30 2010, 01:35AM
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Vic Ferrari wrote:

TigerUnderGlass:

How could I be more explicit.

Imagine there is someone taking all wagers on Brownlee's assertions ... think man, think.

So you're taking a statement that Cosh doesn't know as much about players to mean that he is now taking wagers on all Brownlee's assertions?

I'm not taking a side on the general issue here, I'm just saying your reply seemed to overshoot the appropriate response threshold to the point where it didn't even make sense anymore, kind of like when my wife screams because the garbage didn't make it to the curb in time.

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#119 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 01:46AM
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Colby:

Yeah, I don't think that there is much to be accomplished here. I'm not sure what you were trying to do.

One thing is clear, a lot of these guys have a ton of faith in Robin and his opinion, and it seems like some of them are willing to put their money where their mouth is. This is encouraging. Maybe they're right.

Robin himself doesn't have the stones, that's known. But a lot of his supporters, such as David S ... they just might.

Personally I don't like arguing, whether it's on the internet or in real life, I find conflict very upsetting. Just not my gig. But wagering might be a way for us to establish some sort of level of confidence in our opinions ... on both sides of the argument. In fact I think it would be difficult for a sensible man to argue to the contrary.

If I could help in this regard, say with bankrolling or collection ... well that's not my cup of tea, but I could read up on it. I'd be willing to have a go. For the greater good and all that. We shouldn't leave disputes hanging in the air, it's not healthy.

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#120 Jigger
January 30 2010, 01:46AM
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It is the job of guys in the MSM to illicit a response from the general public. I think this whole discussion proves Brownlee has done that and then some. It just shows how good he really is....just my HO.

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#121 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 01:53AM
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Jigger wrote:

It is the job of guys in the MSM to illicit a response from the general public. I think this whole discussion proves Brownlee has done that and then some. It just shows how good he really is....just my HO.

Jigger,

There is genuine merit in that post, I think we all agree. Where is the line drawn, though?

I mean if this is the only measure then Terry Jones should have a bookcase full of Pullitzers. That wouldn't seem right to me.

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#122 TigerUnderGlass
January 30 2010, 02:05AM
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Vic Ferrari wrote:

Jigger,

There is genuine merit in that post, I think we all agree. Where is the line drawn, though?

I mean if this is the only measure then Terry Jones should have a bookcase full of Pullitzers. That wouldn't seem right to me.

Am I to now understand that you take my objection to your response as support for Brownlee? How does that follow?

Edit: Wrong post quoted. See #119.

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#123 Jigger
January 30 2010, 02:14AM
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It is all about selling papers...or web hits and RB is a good at producing both

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#124 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 02:42AM
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TigerUnderGlass said:

... your reply seemed to overshoot the appropriate response threshold to the point where it didn't even make sense anymore, kind of like when my wife screams because the garbage didn't make it to the curb in time.

Maybe your wife overreacts as an excuse. If she's unhappy in the relationship, but choking her words all the time, then an opportunity like that ... maybe it's just a spontaneous expression of her true feelings in the minute.

I'm not kidding, either. Think about that, we've all done the same to other people, in a parallel way and in a guy way. Still, the same stuff.

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#125 Wanyes bastard child
January 30 2010, 02:47AM
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@ wanye

Can I punch vic in the throat too?

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#126 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 02:57AM
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Wanye:

Are you one of those internet tough guys I've been hearing so much about?

"Punch me in the throat" ... aren't you precious.

Seriously, kiddo. You kill me.

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#127 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 03:08AM
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Jigger said: It is all about selling papers...or web hits and RB is a good at producing both

That's fair enough. Brownlee certainly seems like a very good wordsmith. How much does he know about hockey, though? More or less than Terry Jones? If Brownlee were still writing for the Sun and Jones were writing here ... who would Wanye be defending so furiously?

It's not a crime that Robin doesn't know much about hockey, and that shouldn't stop him from writing. Personally I think he missed his calling as an investigative journalist, and I respect that he took an unpopular stance during the Comrie saga (good times! :D )

Dude probably shouldn't keep writing cheques he can't cash ... but he will continue to do just that. And Wanye will continue to applaud. It's the world we live in.

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#128 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 03:16AM
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I should add that I would have had no idea that Brownlee was writing goofy stuff if not for Tyler bringing it to my attention. The same applies to a thousands of others like me, I'm sure.

So that is good for the owners of OilersNation and their advertisers, at least for a day ... but it probably doesn't do much for Oiler fandom as a whole.

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#129 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 03:25AM
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@Vic Ferrari

So Vic, what is it you are looking for here? Robin is paid to write his opinion here on certain issues relating to the team. He is an accredited member of the media so he has the benefit of certain inside access that we do not. I believe that it is a privilege for us to get just a little more of that access today as fans than we did even 2 years ago. Even a number guy like yourself can't deny that it is a benefit

So his opinions or the way he comes to certain conclusions don't always jive with the geek squad. So what? I don't agree with everything he says either but I sure do enjoy knowing a lot more about the team now than I ever did thanks to him and Gregor.

I guess my question is this, what is the benefit to you, Colby, Tyler, Dennis, and the rest of the number-crunch-kin coming over here and constantly taking the jabs at the MSM guys here? Willis is your little golden child and he disagrees with these guys most of the time. Yet he's not constantly making the snide remarks. I just don't get it. I understand most of you guys haven't grasped the concept of certain lines that can't be crossed in terms of media access and management criticism but what's the issue?

I don't get why there is so much of a bitch-fest between a group of people that cheer for the same friggin team.

p.s. Wanye's Bastard Child is not the Wanye that runs this site.

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#130 Jigger
January 30 2010, 03:43AM
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I think we are all cheering for the team to fail that could be the root of the problem...I still do believe we can not have integration before disintegration....but does everything have to disintegrate?

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#131 Digger
January 30 2010, 03:48AM
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Jigger, I'd say it's a fair bit more deep seated than that.

This melodrama is akin to two rival prison gangs trying to carve out their own little slice of 'C Block'.

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#132 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 04:11AM
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Ogden Travis Dakin:

This place isn't my scene, the sites I read probably aren't your scene. That's all fine.

I like a tussle, though. And when I follow a link to some cat like Brownlee, bless his cotton socks, saying stupid things ... generally I don't care. But if he's being pissy with it, and this is a guy who doesn't know much about hockey (I once heard him absorbing Bob Stauffer's insight on systems play, seriously ... sweet baby Jesus, save us all). Well it grates my tit, so I'll throw in a few shots before I leave..

If I could goad a few of you into wagering with me it would be a bonus, but that's always a long shot.

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#133 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 04:31AM
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Vic Ferrari wrote:

Ogden Travis Dakin:

This place isn't my scene, the sites I read probably aren't your scene. That's all fine.

I like a tussle, though. And when I follow a link to some cat like Brownlee, bless his cotton socks, saying stupid things ... generally I don't care. But if he's being pissy with it, and this is a guy who doesn't know much about hockey (I once heard him absorbing Bob Stauffer's insight on systems play, seriously ... sweet baby Jesus, save us all). Well it grates my tit, so I'll throw in a few shots before I leave..

If I could goad a few of you into wagering with me it would be a bonus, but that's always a long shot.

Well you'd probably be quite surpised which sites are my "scene"

If this place isn't your scene then you most definitely have missed out on some of the history of pissiness thrown in Robin's direction.

In one post you say you don't like arguing and then you turn around and say you like a good tussle. "Sweet baby jesus" what is it? Also, what is this wager that you keep wanting to make?

And how in the sweet ever loving f*ck do you come to the conclusion that he doesn't know much about hockey? So he doesn't crunch a bunch of numbers to come up with his conclusions... How does that take away his knowledge of the game of hockey? I couldn't give a rats ass about corsi but I can rattle off any number of historical facts about the game with the best of them. There is not a whole lot of people around that can say I don't know much about hockey without them sounding like a total jackass. Not to say that I don't see the merit in many stats. I just don't live and die by them, it's not my job to.

Try saying, "He doesn't know much about stats and I really disagree with his ideas for the team or his opinions on certain players." You'll sound like so much less of a dick.

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#134 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 04:54AM
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@Travis Dakin

Ogden said: In one post you say you don't like arguing and then you turn around and say you like a good tussle

I was taking the piss, buddy.

And I do not know whether Robin knows much about hockey stats or not, I DO know that he doesn't know much about hockey. Is that a rude thing to say? Yes. Is it true? Yes. Obvious to all but the completely oblivious, I'm sure. In fairness to me, he threw the first stone. Fools shouldn't do that.

And I'm deeply hurt by your swearing, please refrain from that in future.

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I'm actually NOT offended by your swearing. You see how this works?

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#135 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 04:58AM
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Ogden said:

Well you'd probably be quite surpised which sites are my "scene"

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I shudder to think.

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#136 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:04AM
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Oh Digger,

Does anyone give more thought to their place in Oilers internet conversation?

Does anyone else give ANY thought to their place in Oilers internet conversation?

I'm just guessing, Digger, but I suspect that the right answer to both questions is 'no'.

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#137 Skidplate
January 30 2010, 05:11AM
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Vic Ferrari wrote:

Ogden said: In one post you say you don't like arguing and then you turn around and say you like a good tussle

I was taking the piss, buddy.

And I do not know whether Robin knows much about hockey stats or not, I DO know that he doesn't know much about hockey. Is that a rude thing to say? Yes. Is it true? Yes. Obvious to all but the completely oblivious, I'm sure. In fairness to me, he threw the first stone. Fools shouldn't do that.

And I'm deeply hurt by your swearing, please refrain from that in future.

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I'm actually NOT offended by your swearing. You see how this works?

Vic, how do you define hockey knowledge?

Some of us have played, some have coached, some have watched the game for years or decades, some sit behind a computer and crunch numbers. In my opinion, all of these experiences add to ones knowledge of the game.

For you to come on here a state that you "DO know" that Brownlee doesn't know much about hockey is a foolish statement. He has been around the game for a long time and he has been around for a long time. I for one of many think that Brownlee does know hockey and we appreciate his take on it.

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#138 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:17AM
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Skidplate:

"I for one of many think that Brownlee does know hockey and we appreciate his take on it."

Good for you. That bit about you playing and coaching is a ridiculous stretch ... but I'll pretend to play along, just for you.

A question you might want to avoid asking yourself is "Hey, did that actually happen in the game?". Never, EVER do that. I'm pretty sure it's a rule here, but I'll reinforce it anyways. It will all start spinning sideways if you do that.

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#139 Skidplate
January 30 2010, 05:26AM
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Vic Ferrari wrote:

Skidplate:

"I for one of many think that Brownlee does know hockey and we appreciate his take on it."

Good for you. That bit about you playing and coaching is a ridiculous stretch ... but I'll pretend to play along, just for you.

A question you might want to avoid asking yourself is "Hey, did that actually happen in the game?". Never, EVER do that. I'm pretty sure it's a rule here, but I'll reinforce it anyways. It will all start spinning sideways if you do that.

I did not say whether I played or coached, I said some of us have. If you need to take a pot shot to try to anger me, fill your boots.

Take your psych experiment elsewhere. You are boring us.

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#140 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 05:32AM
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Vic said:

And I do not know whether Robin knows much about hockey stats or not, I DO know that he doesn't know much about hockey. Is that a rude thing to say? Yes. Is it true? Yes. Obvious to all but the completely oblivious, I'm sure. In fairness to me, he threw the first stone. Fools shouldn't do that.

Ok in fairness, I did not see where the first stone was thrown but you're still presenting your opinion as a fact. How pretentious of you. Please tell me, why do you shudder to think of what sites I may be reading, or books or shows or any other form of information consuming for that matter? You're assuming that you are on a higher intellectual level than most because we have a little more lowbrow fun over here? I just don't understand people like you. The first questions I asked are still there... What is your agenda? What would make you happy in this situation? What is your desirable outcome?

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#141 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:36AM
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Back to point:

Read all of Brownlee's self righteous pontificating on the value of JDD.

He missed by a mile. That's fair enough, everyone gets things wrong. Maybe when you're wrong as much as Brownlee you tackle it head-on, I dunno. Looking at the chip stack won't help Robin's confidence, I can tell you that.

A month ago was the first time I heard of Brownlee's Deslauriers love. I wroe this at MC79hockey a month ago, before the shine wore off JDD:

And on JDD, he’s doing better than any of us expected. The fact that the Oilers have been pretty good about not taking penalties helps his save% for sure. He looks like he covers all the bottom of the net when he goes down, still, it’s an awkward style. Someone else pointed this out, but sometimes it does look like he’s being run by a mad puppeteer. If anyone spots John Malkovich in the rafters of Rexall … be sure to let me know. Plus he’s never stopped pucks as a pro at a level that inspires confidence. There are a lot of excuses for that, but no compelling ones. If Brownlee is willing to bet money that JDD will have an above average save% over any timeframe, esp EVsave% (or just level the field for goalies who see a bigger share of PP shots) … take it, Tyler. And Robin would be well advised to invent a new standard for goalie evaluation, something vague and foolish and nearly impossible to pin down. Because, rolling forward, it strikes me as damn unlikely that the facts are going to be his friend.

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In fairness to Robin, he's wise enough to not wager, and instead relies on his internet-friends (even creepier than it sounds, having read much of this thread). And if you can sell stupid like hotcakes ... there's only one thing to do; raise the price and sell even more stupid!

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#142 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:43AM
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"Travis Dakin:

Please tell me, why do you shudder to think of what sites I may be reading"

I was thinking something a little different. I'm a long ways from being an intellectual, myself.

Ever read any HFboards prospect threads? There are some effers there that like the kids way too much. Interpol should be watching that site, seriously. It's freaking creepy.

You, though, I don't know you from Adam. For all I know you are a great guy, or maybe you're a murderer ... that's the internet. But my remark was meant to insinuate you were a creepy internet pervert. I can't believe you missed that. It's just not funny if I have to explain it.

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#143 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 05:44AM
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@Vic Ferrari

So all of your anger is derived from Robin saying that "JDD has pretty much shoved it up the backsides of his critics"?

That is your basis of "He doesn't know much about hockey?"

But my remark was meant to insinuate you were a creepy internet pervert. I can't believe you missed that. It's just not funny if I have to explain it.

I'm sorry but the lines are getting a little blurred as to when to take you serious or when to know that you are joking. You are an enigma to me and my shift is just about over so I'm getting tired. You'll also notice that I use my real name and have an actual picture of me in my window and most on this site can tell you that I live in Fort McMurray. I'm pretty transparent so I'm obviously not making myself a good internet creeper. I guess we can say the joke went right over my head.

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#144 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:58AM
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"He doesn't know hockey" comes from reading Robin in the past. I haven't read him in a while, but I doubt he's changed.

If you have any old games on PVR or VHS ... search through for the matching Brownlee article, dude is talking about stuff that flat out didn't happen in the game. Hell, that's his hallmark.

That should matter.

Ask Robin, immediately after a game, what the other team's coach was trying to do, and why (Quinn doesn't usually get up to much on the bench, plus Robin could ask him). And ask him what system the bad guys were playing in their own end. Maybe he's changed, maybe he gets it right. I wouldn't advise letting the rent ride on it, though.

And I'm not angry, but I saw him throw a stone ... and when a dummy throws a stone, I'm in. It's fun.

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#145 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 06:08AM
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@Travis Dakin

"I'm sorry but the lines are getting a little blurred as to when to take you serious or when to know that you are joking."

Yeah, I'm getting a little punchy myself.

I hadn't noticed your picture there ... but when you think about it, what's to stop an internet perv/murderer from putting up a regular pick and using a pseudonym that sounds like an ordinary name?

Maybe you're a regular guy getting off his shift in Fort Mac ... maybe you're a psycho cruising the interstate just outside Baltimore, chatting here with your blackberry while you take a break from searching for hitchhikers and runaways. You've got to admit, the 'regular guy named Travis' thing would be a good cover. We just never know.

I'm half serious with that.

Any road, peace out. I'm done.

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#146 RossCreekNation
January 30 2010, 06:58AM
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WOW...

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#147 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 30 2010, 07:19AM
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Colby Cosh wrote:

I have no criticism to make of a journalist who thinks being flat-out wrong is "no reflection on him". None is possible.

ok smart guy, how exactly was he wrong? JDD struggles along behind a last place team, does that automatically mean he cant play?

brownlee might have jumped the gun a bit, but it is far to early to declare, either way, who is "wrong"

f-ing knuckleheads

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#148 Skidplate
January 30 2010, 07:26AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

WOW...

That's what she said.....

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#149 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 30 2010, 07:33AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

WOW...

agreed.

the douchebag meter was pinned last night apparently

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#150 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 08:20AM
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@Vic Ferrari

This really grinds my gears.

I really hate stupid people like Vic, who love to use fake names and come on websites and bash writers and other people for fun. Its called being jealous and Vic you are the most jealous person I have ever seen on this site, nevermind this site that I have every meet in life.

So get off your high horse, and stop complaining about Brownlee. Brownlee knows a lot about hockey if he didn't do you think he would still have the job he has, cause then even you Vic could have his job. Because I am sure you don't know anything about hockey.

I think by what I am reading that you are a 37 yearold virgin living in your parents basement, and you got bored of wacthing harry potter, so you decided to come on Oilersnation and read what brownlee wrote, and decided to start a fight.

So I got a wager for you. Why not we have a Brownlee vs Vic, write off, about hockey.

And sees who writes a better article, the people here will come up with a topic and we will see. Then and only then will you be able to run your mouth.

Do you want to take that Wager big guy who still lives with mommy?

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