Armchair GM VII: Who farted?

Robin Brownlee
January 29 2010 04:25PM

"You stink!" "You stink worse!" This, in essence, is what the Battle of Alberta has come down to. With the Edmonton Oilers winless in 12 games and the Calgary Flames getting no sniff in the last nine, tomorrow night's meeting in Cowtown shapes up like a purse fight. A slapping match.

So numb are some fans during a faceplant that now stands at 0-10-2 after Thursday's 2-1 loss to St. Louis, they're taking solace in knowing the Flames will show up Saturday with their asses in the breeze and their pants around their knees in the middle of a 0-6-3 embarrassment.

Given the circumstances, I guess there's something to be said for that schadenfreude thing, but on top of taking comfort in Calgary's sudden and shocking ineptitude, I'm thinking fans might be in for a helluva game.

Just when it looks like the fight has been taken out of the Oilers — and it has looked that way — I wouldn't be surprised if they, and the Flames for that matter, show up for the puck drop hacked off and ready to go.

I'd like to think both teams are sick of gagging on the stench of defeat and that both outfits could stand to blow off some steam. That could make for a memorable tilt. And, it says here, another Oilers loss that runs the Dirty Dozen to Unlucky 13.

That would set up Monday's game against Carolina at Rexall Place, the NHL version of The Biggest Loser, quite nicely.

You call the shots

With GM Steve Tambellini locked in the fetal position and unlikely to pull the trigger on anything except the handgun he's been putting in his mouth when he's home alone — no commitment there, either — I'd like to pick your brains about some scenarios he might be facing between now and July 1.

  • Sheldon Souray has provided the list of teams he's be willing to waive his no-movement clause for in a trade. The teams include Dallas, Los Angeles and Anaheim. Keeping in mind the salary cap, who do you ask for when you pick up the telephone and talk to Joe Nieuwendyk, Dean Lombardi and Bob Murray? Please, resist the urge to make suggestions that amount to dry-fisting the aforementioned GMs.
  • The lottery is done and the Oilers, after finishing 30th, retain first pick in the lottery. Carolina GM Jim Rutherford has the third pick behind Edmonton and Toronto (which goes to Boston). Rutherford offers you his pick straight up for Dustin Penner. Do you make that deal?
  • Agent Jiri Crha puts in a call the day after the Entry Draft and informs you Ales Hemsky wants to be traded. After you sh*t yourself, which three teams do you call and who do you ask for?

A new angle?

While it goes without saying it's difficult for anybody in the Oilers line-up to distinguish themselves with the team face down in a puddle of puke, I've got to admit I haven't liked the looks of Jeff Deslauriers in weeks.

I've gone on the record repeatedly saying I like Deslauriers willingness to battle. I think, against most odds, he's shown he can be an NHL goaltender, but he's got some flaws in his technique that are alarming.

First, his angles. There's no way Deslauriers should be giving up goals on the short side, like he has in his last two games. He's either playing too deep in the net or losing the angle altogether. Probably both.

Second, Deslauriers is an atrocious puck-handler. I've known that since he fed Joffrey Lupul a gimme in the slot during an AHL game between the Edmonton Roadrunners and Cincinnati Mighty Ducks at The Pond during the lockout, but six years later? Either learn how to handle the puck or leave the damn thing alone.

If Deslauriers doesn't perform markedly better than Devan Dubnyk in the Oilers remaining games, he's going to make it impossible to justify keeping him ahead of Dubnyk. I expected him to be better than this.

This and that

  • There aren't a lot of issues I disagree with Bob Stauffer on, but his suggestion signing Jaromir Jagr might be a good thing for the Oilers in the sense it could take pressure off the younger players, like say a Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin, in the short-term is one of them. So, what, we're going to pay $4-5 million for a babysitter now? And what pressure? This team will be, or should be, in rebuild mode until the start of the 2012-13 season.
  • We haven't heard an official update on the status of Nikolai Khabibulin since surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back. There are whispers, none I can trace back to team sources, there's some obvious doubt a 37-year-old like Khabibulin will come back from the surgery. Should I feel guilty for not feeling that's a bad thing?
  • If you think I'm being pessimistic by saying it'll take the rest of this season and two more to do a proper rebuild, think again. Agent Ritch Winter phoned me twice Wednesday while I was on the air with Jason Gregor, pitching the same seven-year timeline he sold Rob Tychkowski at The Sun a week or so ago. Sorry, Ritch. Not buying it.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#51 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 29 2010, 07:58PM
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Crash wrote:

Another reason why our team never becomes an elite team....the fans of this team ALWAYS want to unload guys once they reach age 26 and start over with a draft pick or a prospect and the cycle goes on and on....why don't we sign some of our higher end talent beyond age 26 and keep them instead of throwing long term money at guys like Moreau, Pisani, Horcoff.

It sickens me now that we still have people that want Hemsky moved...yah, why not, he's what? 25? and clearly our best player. Good teams need good players not an endless merry go round where we unload our top end guys all the time at age 26/27 for picks or younger players. So yah I guess we move Penner our top scorer and start over with Fowler...great, just great. And hey when Fowler gets close to turning 25 then we can unload him too.

No freaking wonder we never become an elite team.

Is this a joke?

Ya, the Oilers aren't an elite team because the they trade good but not great players for picks that have a VERY high % of turning into superstars.

I like Penner, I've defended him and his signing a million times, but that doesn't change the fact that save a 25 game stretch the guys been a second liner (or very bottom end 1st liner) his whole career. To top it off he's only got 2 years left on his contract after this one, so he could reasonable walk for nothing at that point.

Anyways, who's this "merry-go-round" of top guys that we've traded at 26/27 for picks/prospects?

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#52 Crash
January 29 2010, 08:21PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

No it's not a joke

You and everyone else always say....oh look we have a very useable player at age 26/27 whose contract runs out in 2 yrs...omg we have to trade them cuz they might walk in 2 yrs....news flash...all players once they are that age can walk once their contracts run out...so does that mean we have to trade all of our good players from here on in before UFA time rolls around?

...this team has unloaded players for ages in their primes...I guess I can admit it used to be because we couldn't afford them....how short is your memory? It's our history of having to trade away our best players (maybe you remember a guy by the name of Doug Weight, or Bill Guerin, etc). I could do the research and come up with likely many more names of guys we've unloaded too soon. We have unloaded players for years. It's been well documented over many years and is one of the reasons we wanted the salary cap era. It's why we've always been a team scrambling for the 8th and final playoff spot. And now that we have the salary cap and a rich owner I still see fans wanting to move out our best guys and replace them with guys of lesser talent or picks and prospects before they reach UFA status....hence the merry go round.

I guess I get sick of hearing people now wanting to move Hemsky out, after all his contract is up in 2 yrs, he might walk. Maybe we could get a good draft pick or prospect. Hell we even have fans on here who want to move Sam Gagner out of here at age 20...or fans who say we must send our best prospects to the minors for 1 or 2 yrs even if they are ready because they are worried about them walking at age 25 instead of 26 or 27...holy crap man, when does it end?

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#53 Robin Brownlee
January 29 2010, 08:56PM
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Colby Cosh wrote:

Embarrassing myself? What'd I do--stake my reputation on a technically dubious goalie, boast scatologically about how he had silenced his critics forever, and immediately see him implode?

Look, we all eat crow occasionally, but I was sincerely confused when RB crawled out on a limb to kill and eat one. (And I'm still confused about the "last two games" thing. Two??)

Stake my reputation? Look, swing by hand-in-hand with Tyler and take your orchestrated potshots if it makes you feel better, but deliver something other than hyperbole.

Deslauriers has never been a blue-chip prospect or anything close to a sure thing, but I've seen enough of him over the years to think he can beat the odds for reasons I've already stated. I still do. At the end of the day, though, he's a longshot and if he fails, he fails. That's no reflection on me.

I've been wrong on players before and I will be again. So what? If I overstated his progress after a particularly good stretch, and it's obvious I did because he's going backwards right now, so what?

One last thing, not that you care nearly as much about details as about stopping by to be a dick, the flaws I'm seeing now with the angles and how deep he's playing in the crease have crept into his game as opposed to being technical flaws that have been there all along -- like his poor puckhandling. Might be a lack of confidence or caving to pressure, I don't know for certain. No matter how bad the team is now, he's got to suck it up and make more hay with the shot he's getting now.

OilFan2010: If you'd ever taken the time to read about the personal experiences I've related on this site, specifically about my upbringing and some of the challenges my wife and I have faced, you'd never say something as stupid as you just did. You're done here.

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#54 Travis Dakin
January 29 2010, 09:00PM
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Well that was thoroughly satisfying.

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#55 GLoKz0r
January 29 2010, 09:09PM
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"With GM Steve Tambellini locked in the fetal position and unlikely to pull the trigger on anything except the handgun he's been putting in his mouth when he's home alone — no commitment there, either"

Bahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa.....

Robin, you owe me a new keyboard. That line turned my simple sip of water into an indoor sprinkler system. Thanks a lot!

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#56 Hax
January 29 2010, 09:09PM
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I would Trade Souray to Dallas and ask for Ott.

I would trade Penner for the pick. I like Penner but we need some cap room and we need to make room for guys like Eberle and MPS.

If I had to trade Hemsky I would call L.A. and ask for Dustin Brown and a second round pick.

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#57 Kaiser Wilhelm
January 29 2010, 09:22PM
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"Agent Jiri Crha puts in a call the day after the Entry Draft and informs you Ales Hemsky wants to be traded."

"Rutherford offers you his pick straight up for Dustin Penner."

Given your track record regarding future trades/coaching hires/etc Mr Brownlee, I'm distinctly uncomfortable about your Hemsky comment. Hemsky wanting out would be too much to handle after this atrocity of a season. In the words of the little kid talking to Shoeless Joe Jackson, "Say it ain't so, Joe."

As for the second comment. . . *runs over and starts cranking the rumor mill as fast as possible*

Anybody have any idea how we can pry Joe Colburn away from Boston? The guy's a 6'4, 200 pound, 20-year-old version of Joe Thorton, and is destroying the college league he's in this year. I watched him play in Jr A, and he is the real deal. Surely Boston could use some scoring help, like Robert Nilsson or Ethan Moreau. . .

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#58 SirFozz
January 29 2010, 09:24PM
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As this season progresses it has come to this for me: I ignore the hockey posts and just read the posts relating to the ON drama when I fall behind need to catch up. Entertaining as always.

OilersNation Shore.

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#59 Crash
January 29 2010, 09:34PM
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Hax wrote:

I would Trade Souray to Dallas and ask for Ott.

I would trade Penner for the pick. I like Penner but we need some cap room and we need to make room for guys like Eberle and MPS.

If I had to trade Hemsky I would call L.A. and ask for Dustin Brown and a second round pick.

We don't really need to trade anyone for Ott...he is a UFA at the end of this season...if we want him we just have to convince him to sign here....

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#60 Drago
January 29 2010, 09:36PM
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1. Sheldon Souray WILL NOT fetch much of a return due to his injury history, cap number and years remaining.

Dallas- Mark Fistric and Brian Sutherby

Los Angeles- Matt Greene and a draft pick...Greene brings the toughness losing Souray creates. Why trade for Jack Johnson who probably wouldn't take to kindly to being traded from LA to Edmonton especially considering his past clashes with management, its sad to have to take things like this into account but its a reality none the less.

Anaheim- Petteri Nokelainen and a draft pick...Anaheim doesn't have much wiggle room and all their big contracts they won't trade except for Giguere and the Oilers would be fools to make that deal so I don't think they make good trading partners at all.

2. I trade Dustin Penner for the #3 pick in a heartbeat. The cap savings alone is worth it. His value is at its highest and even though when he is on his game he is a really good player for this to be a true rebuild its a necessary move. He is one of the few Oilers with true value on the marketplace.

3. The same above goes for Hemsky, its the same thing year after year, he needs linemates to be effective. Rather than sign an old Jagr for one year and then go straight back to square one the following year its time to move him and make it a true rebuild. PLAN A: Pittsburgh: Jordan Staal...Staal deserves to be a first line center and pairing Hemsky with Malkin or Crosby would be dynamite. PLAN B: Boston: Milan Lucic and a draft pick...even though Lucic is injury prone he is exactly the type of player the Oilers need in their lineup. PLAN C: Vancouver: Alexandre Burrows, Alexander Edler and a draft pick...even though trading within the division would suck having a guy like Burrows in the lineup would be valuable and Edler is turning out to be a pretty good d-man. The Sisters and Hemsky would be a pretty sick line.

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#61 Garett
January 29 2010, 09:40PM
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Hey all, Anyone read Spectors column on Sportsnet? It has a blurb about the Oil in it. I am depressed about the Oil, but hang on to a glimmer of hope with a possible 1st overall pick plus some of the prospects we have in our system. But after reading what he wrote about Hall and how he is wating for Hall's agent to release a statement telling the Oilers to not bother picking him ( a la Eric Lindros), it made me want to eat a handfull of rat poison. Please someone tell me this would never happen!!!

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#62 Drago
January 29 2010, 09:51PM
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Garett wrote:

Hey all, Anyone read Spectors column on Sportsnet? It has a blurb about the Oil in it. I am depressed about the Oil, but hang on to a glimmer of hope with a possible 1st overall pick plus some of the prospects we have in our system. But after reading what he wrote about Hall and how he is wating for Hall's agent to release a statement telling the Oilers to not bother picking him ( a la Eric Lindros), it made me want to eat a handfull of rat poison. Please someone tell me this would never happen!!!

COULD YOU IMAGINE?!?!?!?! After all the hoopla and optimism that the Fall For Hall has created and has been the one guiding light for most fans for having to endure this difficult season, for him to go Lindros on them would be BRUTAL. They would riot in the streets!

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#63 RossCreekNation
January 29 2010, 09:59PM
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Caught Bob McKenzie on Nielson and Chase this morning, and he said the Oilers may get "next to nothing" for Souray.

The way he made it sound was a 2nd round pick and/or B prospect would be the best they could do without taking on a bad contract. Yikes.

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#64 misfit
January 29 2010, 10:03PM
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I don't trade pick without a 1st round pick being included. Who I'd ask them to add to that 1st is tough. Probably either Benn or Niskanen from Dallas. Maybe Gardner from Anaheim (or Philly's 1st). Maybe it's asking a lot, but I also don't think we should be trading Souray, so I wouldn't do it unless it was worth my while. I'd take a lot of guys from LA, but unlike most, Tuebert isn't one of them.

I'd trade Penner for the 3rd overall pick and not even think twice about it.

Hemsky wants out, I probably try to get something like Voracek and a 1st (plus more if I can) out of Columbus. Howson would probably have the most interest (just a guess), and could really see the benefit of putting a 1st class playmaker on Nash's wing. I don't know Robin, the whole idea of trading Hemsky makes my stomach turn.

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#65 Colby Cosh
January 29 2010, 10:13PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Stake my reputation? Look, swing by hand-in-hand with Tyler and take your orchestrated potshots if it makes you feel better, but deliver something other than hyperbole.

Deslauriers has never been a blue-chip prospect or anything close to a sure thing, but I've seen enough of him over the years to think he can beat the odds for reasons I've already stated. I still do. At the end of the day, though, he's a longshot and if he fails, he fails. That's no reflection on me.

I've been wrong on players before and I will be again. So what? If I overstated his progress after a particularly good stretch, and it's obvious I did because he's going backwards right now, so what?

One last thing, not that you care nearly as much about details as about stopping by to be a dick, the flaws I'm seeing now with the angles and how deep he's playing in the crease have crept into his game as opposed to being technical flaws that have been there all along -- like his poor puckhandling. Might be a lack of confidence or caving to pressure, I don't know for certain. No matter how bad the team is now, he's got to suck it up and make more hay with the shot he's getting now.

OilFan2010: If you'd ever taken the time to read about the personal experiences I've related on this site, specifically about my upbringing and some of the challenges my wife and I have faced, you'd never say something as stupid as you just did. You're done here.

I have no criticism to make of a journalist who thinks being flat-out wrong is "no reflection on him". None is possible.

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#66 diesel
January 29 2010, 10:21PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Is this a joke?

Ya, the Oilers aren't an elite team because the they trade good but not great players for picks that have a VERY high % of turning into superstars.

I like Penner, I've defended him and his signing a million times, but that doesn't change the fact that save a 25 game stretch the guys been a second liner (or very bottom end 1st liner) his whole career. To top it off he's only got 2 years left on his contract after this one, so he could reasonable walk for nothing at that point.

Anyways, who's this "merry-go-round" of top guys that we've traded at 26/27 for picks/prospects?

arnott, guerin, damphousse, satan, graves, theres a sh!t ton more, but there's a few to begin with

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#67 Shawner
January 29 2010, 10:38PM
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hind sight is 20/20 the fact of the matter is this the OIl Tank is empty this season and will be full next season!!

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#68 OilFan
January 29 2010, 10:43PM
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First of all. Penner would never get you a third overall pick.

Second Souray will not get more then a 2nd round pick. He was luck to play with Markov in Montreal and just like other dman that have played with him in the last four seasons they all signed to over price contracts.

Souray should thank Markov for that. Any thoughts ?

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#69 Matt Henderson
January 29 2010, 10:44PM
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I thought Penner has been getting a raw deal for the last couple years, but for a top 3 pick I would trade him any day of the week.

From what I can remember* part of Rich Winter's belief that the Oilers are hosed in terms of rebuild has to do with the fact that their ECHL and AHL teams are terrible too. The argument being that the cupboards are so bare that the Oilers cant even ice a minor league team. My issue with that take is that the Oilers best prospects arent in the AHL or ECHL. The best prospects in Oilerville play in the CHL, KHL, SEL, and NCAA. Winter's criteria are completely missed by the Oil's current breakdown of prospect location.

*I reserve the right to be laughably wrong about whose argument this actually belongs to.

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#70 Travis Dakin
January 29 2010, 10:45PM
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so many c*ck suckers....

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#71 OilFan
January 29 2010, 10:50PM
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JDD Will never be a starting tender in the NHL. I have been told that by Oilers training staff. They need a better tender then him. Maybe Halak or Price. I think Montreal would want alot for Price but Halak may be worth a first round pick ( Next years)

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#72 David S
January 29 2010, 10:52PM
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Colby Cosh wrote:

I have no criticism to make of a journalist who thinks being flat-out wrong is "no reflection on him". None is possible.

That's weaksauce and you know it. Robin isn't a pro scout so his job doesn't depend on "being right" about players. Still, my guess is if I put his player judgment against yours as far as Oilers go, he'd be 9 for 10. I doubt you'd do nearly as well. On top of which, he admits he swings and misses once in a while, and you still take him to task. To what end I might ask? Man, your sense of self importance is through the roof.

At the end of the day those who can, do. And they get well paid for it. Those who can't make sure their own blogs are direct linked to their signatures when they drive-by post.

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#73 David S
January 29 2010, 10:54PM
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OilFan wrote:

JDD Will never be a starting tender in the NHL. I have been told that by Oilers training staff. They need a better tender then him. Maybe Halak or Price. I think Montreal would want alot for Price but Halak may be worth a first round pick ( Next years)

DeepOil? Again?

Good god man. Give it a rest.

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#74 OilFan
January 29 2010, 11:09PM
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Deep Oil? Not sure that your asking.

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#76 OilFan
January 29 2010, 11:13PM
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You don't think Penner is worth a top three pick do you? I don't think Hemsky would get us a top three pick.

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#77 Death Metal Nightmare
January 29 2010, 11:16PM
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1. Souray trade:

a) Souray + whoever is 20-24 and useless for Steve Ott/Fistric (yeah right) b) Souray for Jack Johnson (obvious) c) Souray for a Mighty Ducks VHS tape to inspire current crop of the Oilers Nintendo Generation Losers. they weep and recall the first them they seen the "masterpiece" for the first time (the Ducks seriously have nothing of interest or anything the Ducks would be willing to part with). d) Souray for Liles + 3rd has been thrown around in the local Denver paper. seems like the Oilers would be adding one more Limp Dick to the back end though.

2. Penner for 3rd overall? yes. as much as hes been awesome - he cant maintain it "mentally" (which is also physically). love the turn around in attitude and what not but - Toss em. Taylor Hall and Fowler to build around would be epic.

3. Hemsky - if all of these trades happened, Ritch Winter will be right and it will take about 7 years since the average age of player will be 12 on the Oilers. phone Chuck 'E Cheeses for the post game meal. that being said - the trade:

Hemsky for Jordan Staal + Eric Tangradi

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#78 RossCreekNation
January 29 2010, 11:25PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

so many c*ck suckers....

Hey, did you hear? OBJ just found out about www.jeanshortsandbaggedmilk.com. Maybe he'll be there tomorrow. Should I bring the vaseline?

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#79 RossCreekNation
January 29 2010, 11:27PM
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@Death Metal Nightmare

Oil do J. Staal for Hemsky in a second. Does Pit?

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#81 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 29 2010, 11:38PM
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Crash wrote:

No it's not a joke

You and everyone else always say....oh look we have a very useable player at age 26/27 whose contract runs out in 2 yrs...omg we have to trade them cuz they might walk in 2 yrs....news flash...all players once they are that age can walk once their contracts run out...so does that mean we have to trade all of our good players from here on in before UFA time rolls around?

...this team has unloaded players for ages in their primes...I guess I can admit it used to be because we couldn't afford them....how short is your memory? It's our history of having to trade away our best players (maybe you remember a guy by the name of Doug Weight, or Bill Guerin, etc). I could do the research and come up with likely many more names of guys we've unloaded too soon. We have unloaded players for years. It's been well documented over many years and is one of the reasons we wanted the salary cap era. It's why we've always been a team scrambling for the 8th and final playoff spot. And now that we have the salary cap and a rich owner I still see fans wanting to move out our best guys and replace them with guys of lesser talent or picks and prospects before they reach UFA status....hence the merry go round.

I guess I get sick of hearing people now wanting to move Hemsky out, after all his contract is up in 2 yrs, he might walk. Maybe we could get a good draft pick or prospect. Hell we even have fans on here who want to move Sam Gagner out of here at age 20...or fans who say we must send our best prospects to the minors for 1 or 2 yrs even if they are ready because they are worried about them walking at age 25 instead of 26 or 27...holy crap man, when does it end?

Actually I don't alwasy say we need to trade guys in that age group, I've said many times (including this blog) that we need to bring guys in from that age group.

Besides, this isn't "trade Penner" this is answering a specific question where the option is to trade Penner for a pick that has a very high chance of becoming an ELITE player.

Weight was traded when he was 31 (and never cracked 70 points again)

Guerin was traded when he was 31

I can't think of one quasi star traded from here in his mid 20's for a pick/prospect since well before the lock-out.

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#82 RossCreekNation
January 29 2010, 11:38PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Somehow I've stayed in the writing game for 27 years and I won't be going anywhere, whether they like it or not.

MAD RESPECK!

Q: Who in the blue hell is Colby Cosh?

EDIT:
-A: Today he shares his Edmonton home with two cats, Nigel and Eleanor.

Seriously, I didn't know who dude was. Thx Google

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#83 OilFan
January 29 2010, 11:39PM
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@ RossCreek

I think the ice birds would make that trade. I don't know the contracts they have. I heard that Hemsky was like 5m a year. He is young but never gets more then a point a game. I guess thats what they pay players now days

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#84 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 29 2010, 11:45PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Caught Bob McKenzie on Nielson and Chase this morning, and he said the Oilers may get "next to nothing" for Souray.

The way he made it sound was a 2nd round pick and/or B prospect would be the best they could do without taking on a bad contract. Yikes.

I'm not that suprised, I think he's pretty overated here. 2 allstar seasons for a guy in his mid 30's and a history of some major injuries.

Roughly along the same line as Mckenzie, I could see a solid pick along with a salary dump. A guy like Greene for Souray also makes alot of sense.

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#85 RossCreekNation
January 29 2010, 11:46PM
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I've been trying to figure out how to get Jordan Staal to Calgary for weeks.

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#86 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 29 2010, 11:47PM
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diesel wrote:

arnott, guerin, damphousse, satan, graves, theres a sh!t ton more, but there's a few to begin with

Those were 15+ years ago (and most weren't in the age sweat spot we were reffering to)

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#87 OilFan
January 29 2010, 11:49PM
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@ RossCreek

I think maybe Dion and maybe a pick?

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January 29 2010, 11:49PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I thought Penner has been getting a raw deal for the last couple years, but for a top 3 pick I would trade him any day of the week.

From what I can remember* part of Rich Winter's belief that the Oilers are hosed in terms of rebuild has to do with the fact that their ECHL and AHL teams are terrible too. The argument being that the cupboards are so bare that the Oilers cant even ice a minor league team. My issue with that take is that the Oilers best prospects arent in the AHL or ECHL. The best prospects in Oilerville play in the CHL, KHL, SEL, and NCAA. Winter's criteria are completely missed by the Oil's current breakdown of prospect location.

*I reserve the right to be laughably wrong about whose argument this actually belongs to.

Not to mention the fact that (almost) every orginization has whole sale turn-over within 7 years. The team may or may not still be in the tank in 2017, but realistically theirs no way what so ever that you can look at what's here today and make any kind of accurate projection for 7 years out.

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#89 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 29 2010, 11:51PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Oil do J. Staal for Hemsky in a second. Does Pit?

I don't know about that. I love what Staal brings, but he's still been nothing better then a 2nd liner so far (and hasn't really progressed offensively in 4 years).

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#90 OilFan
January 29 2010, 11:55PM
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J Stall would be our best center by far. He is a solid 2 way player waiting to get his numbers once he has the chance. He is worth Hemsky at least.

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#91 Matt Henderson
January 29 2010, 11:55PM
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@ RossCreek

I think the ice birds would make that trade. I don't know the contracts they have. I heard that Hemsky was like 5m a year. He is young but never gets more then a point a game. I guess thats what they pay players now days

He makes 4.1 as a cap hit and that's a bargain for a point per game player.

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#92 RossCreekNation
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RE: Souray

Dallas - Niklas Grossman

Los Angeles - Matt Greene

Anaheim - Brendan Mikkelson

New Jersey - Adam Henrique

Washington - Eric Fehr

Try and land a 2nd or 3rd rounder in each of these, too.

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#93 OilFan
January 29 2010, 11:59PM
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4.1m. Steal indeed. But I would take Staal for him.

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#94 RossCreekNation
January 29 2010, 11:59PM
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@ RossCreek

I think maybe Dion and maybe a pick?

I'd give Dion and Rich & Ron's left nut's to get Jordan. Don't think Pit would like his contract.

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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Come on now. This isn't meant as an Ales diss, but I'm certain the Oil make that deal. And Pittsburgh may too. It works money-wise. It likely even works hockey-wise. I might make that trade as GM of either team. I see them as better fits in role-reversal.

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#96 McCreeper
January 30 2010, 12:04AM
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That's okay. We will just change "Fall 4 Hall" to "Gunnin' for Seguin, pew pew"

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January 30 2010, 12:10AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Come on now. This isn't meant as an Ales diss, but I'm certain the Oil make that deal. And Pittsburgh may too. It works money-wise. It likely even works hockey-wise. I might make that trade as GM of either team. I see them as better fits in role-reversal.

I don't know man, have you seen what has happend to the Oilers offense since Hemsky went down? The team was (and has been for a few years) a better then average offensive team (in the conference) as soon as he went down the team dropped like a stone, now sitting last in the conference for GF.

We do need a big, do everything center that can chip in offense(Staal), no question. But we need a PPG offensive catalyst more (as proven by the record and the complete disperance of offense).

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#98 TigerUnderGlass
January 30 2010, 12:15AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

a pick that has a very high chance of becoming an ELITE player.

I'm not certain I would claim that the 3rd pick has a VERY high chance of becoming an elite player. That seems to be overstating the value a tad.

20 years of #3 picks.

89 - Scott Thornton 90 - Keith Primeau 91 - Scott Niedermayer 92 - Mike Rathje 93 - Chris Gratton 94 - Radek Bonk 95 - Aki Berg 96 - J.P. Dumont 97 - Olli Jokinen 98 - Brad Stuart 99 - Henrik Sedin 00 - Marian Gaborik 01 - Alexander Svitov 02 - Jay Bouwmeester 03 - Nathan Horton 04 - Cam Barker 05 - Jack Johnson 06 - Jonathan Toews 07 - Kyle Turris 08 - Zach Bogosian 09 - Matt Duchene

I highlighted some elite players. Some may want to include Horton, but he is having the best year of his career so far and he hasn't really been any better than Penner.

The last few picks we will have to see how they shake out. Duchene look good so far but he is not an elite player now. Maybe some day.

Seems to me, the number 3 pick gives you about a 25-35% chance of landing an elite player.

Some pretty good players on there, but I would take this years Penner over more than half of them, so I guess the bet comes down to how well you believe Penner will play moving forward.

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#99 Jasmine
January 30 2010, 12:21AM
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Garett wrote:

Hey all, Anyone read Spectors column on Sportsnet? It has a blurb about the Oil in it. I am depressed about the Oil, but hang on to a glimmer of hope with a possible 1st overall pick plus some of the prospects we have in our system. But after reading what he wrote about Hall and how he is wating for Hall's agent to release a statement telling the Oilers to not bother picking him ( a la Eric Lindros), it made me want to eat a handfull of rat poison. Please someone tell me this would never happen!!!

Mark Spector is an Edmonton hater. He also mentions that Souray wants out of Edmonton and that's not even true. When is the media going to stop crapping on the Oilers. Frankly I'm getting sick of it. There was an article during the WJC in the Edmonton Sun mentioning that Hall would love to play in the city his dad started. Taylor's dad signed his first pro contract with the Edmonton Eskimos.

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#100 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 12:22AM
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@RossCreekNation

I'm not entirely sold on Staal as a legit 1st line centre. He's stuck on the 3rd line in Pittsburgh but I dont know if he'll ever be that 1st liner the Oil want. It's not as if he's been overly dominant in the F/O circle, or put up a tonne of points. The best part for him is that he's only 21 though.

The problem I have is with giving up the only legit and consistant 1st line NHLer on the club for a guy who might be a 1st liner, maybe.

And please dont come back with "you always choose Hemsky over X player". Honestly, I would like to know why you think the Oilers should deal their best player for Staal.

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