Armchair GM VII: Who farted?

Robin Brownlee
January 29 2010 04:25PM

"You stink!" "You stink worse!" This, in essence, is what the Battle of Alberta has come down to. With the Edmonton Oilers winless in 12 games and the Calgary Flames getting no sniff in the last nine, tomorrow night's meeting in Cowtown shapes up like a purse fight. A slapping match.

So numb are some fans during a faceplant that now stands at 0-10-2 after Thursday's 2-1 loss to St. Louis, they're taking solace in knowing the Flames will show up Saturday with their asses in the breeze and their pants around their knees in the middle of a 0-6-3 embarrassment.

Given the circumstances, I guess there's something to be said for that schadenfreude thing, but on top of taking comfort in Calgary's sudden and shocking ineptitude, I'm thinking fans might be in for a helluva game.

Just when it looks like the fight has been taken out of the Oilers — and it has looked that way — I wouldn't be surprised if they, and the Flames for that matter, show up for the puck drop hacked off and ready to go.

I'd like to think both teams are sick of gagging on the stench of defeat and that both outfits could stand to blow off some steam. That could make for a memorable tilt. And, it says here, another Oilers loss that runs the Dirty Dozen to Unlucky 13.

That would set up Monday's game against Carolina at Rexall Place, the NHL version of The Biggest Loser, quite nicely.

You call the shots

With GM Steve Tambellini locked in the fetal position and unlikely to pull the trigger on anything except the handgun he's been putting in his mouth when he's home alone — no commitment there, either — I'd like to pick your brains about some scenarios he might be facing between now and July 1.

  • Sheldon Souray has provided the list of teams he's be willing to waive his no-movement clause for in a trade. The teams include Dallas, Los Angeles and Anaheim. Keeping in mind the salary cap, who do you ask for when you pick up the telephone and talk to Joe Nieuwendyk, Dean Lombardi and Bob Murray? Please, resist the urge to make suggestions that amount to dry-fisting the aforementioned GMs.
  • The lottery is done and the Oilers, after finishing 30th, retain first pick in the lottery. Carolina GM Jim Rutherford has the third pick behind Edmonton and Toronto (which goes to Boston). Rutherford offers you his pick straight up for Dustin Penner. Do you make that deal?
  • Agent Jiri Crha puts in a call the day after the Entry Draft and informs you Ales Hemsky wants to be traded. After you sh*t yourself, which three teams do you call and who do you ask for?

A new angle?

While it goes without saying it's difficult for anybody in the Oilers line-up to distinguish themselves with the team face down in a puddle of puke, I've got to admit I haven't liked the looks of Jeff Deslauriers in weeks.

I've gone on the record repeatedly saying I like Deslauriers willingness to battle. I think, against most odds, he's shown he can be an NHL goaltender, but he's got some flaws in his technique that are alarming.

First, his angles. There's no way Deslauriers should be giving up goals on the short side, like he has in his last two games. He's either playing too deep in the net or losing the angle altogether. Probably both.

Second, Deslauriers is an atrocious puck-handler. I've known that since he fed Joffrey Lupul a gimme in the slot during an AHL game between the Edmonton Roadrunners and Cincinnati Mighty Ducks at The Pond during the lockout, but six years later? Either learn how to handle the puck or leave the damn thing alone.

If Deslauriers doesn't perform markedly better than Devan Dubnyk in the Oilers remaining games, he's going to make it impossible to justify keeping him ahead of Dubnyk. I expected him to be better than this.

This and that

  • There aren't a lot of issues I disagree with Bob Stauffer on, but his suggestion signing Jaromir Jagr might be a good thing for the Oilers in the sense it could take pressure off the younger players, like say a Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin, in the short-term is one of them. So, what, we're going to pay $4-5 million for a babysitter now? And what pressure? This team will be, or should be, in rebuild mode until the start of the 2012-13 season.
  • We haven't heard an official update on the status of Nikolai Khabibulin since surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back. There are whispers, none I can trace back to team sources, there's some obvious doubt a 37-year-old like Khabibulin will come back from the surgery. Should I feel guilty for not feeling that's a bad thing?
  • If you think I'm being pessimistic by saying it'll take the rest of this season and two more to do a proper rebuild, think again. Agent Ritch Winter phoned me twice Wednesday while I was on the air with Jason Gregor, pitching the same seven-year timeline he sold Rob Tychkowski at The Sun a week or so ago. Sorry, Ritch. Not buying it.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#151 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 05:32AM
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Vic said:

And I do not know whether Robin knows much about hockey stats or not, I DO know that he doesn't know much about hockey. Is that a rude thing to say? Yes. Is it true? Yes. Obvious to all but the completely oblivious, I'm sure. In fairness to me, he threw the first stone. Fools shouldn't do that.

Ok in fairness, I did not see where the first stone was thrown but you're still presenting your opinion as a fact. How pretentious of you. Please tell me, why do you shudder to think of what sites I may be reading, or books or shows or any other form of information consuming for that matter? You're assuming that you are on a higher intellectual level than most because we have a little more lowbrow fun over here? I just don't understand people like you. The first questions I asked are still there... What is your agenda? What would make you happy in this situation? What is your desirable outcome?

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#152 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:36AM
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Back to point:

Read all of Brownlee's self righteous pontificating on the value of JDD.

He missed by a mile. That's fair enough, everyone gets things wrong. Maybe when you're wrong as much as Brownlee you tackle it head-on, I dunno. Looking at the chip stack won't help Robin's confidence, I can tell you that.

A month ago was the first time I heard of Brownlee's Deslauriers love. I wroe this at MC79hockey a month ago, before the shine wore off JDD:

And on JDD, he’s doing better than any of us expected. The fact that the Oilers have been pretty good about not taking penalties helps his save% for sure. He looks like he covers all the bottom of the net when he goes down, still, it’s an awkward style. Someone else pointed this out, but sometimes it does look like he’s being run by a mad puppeteer. If anyone spots John Malkovich in the rafters of Rexall … be sure to let me know. Plus he’s never stopped pucks as a pro at a level that inspires confidence. There are a lot of excuses for that, but no compelling ones. If Brownlee is willing to bet money that JDD will have an above average save% over any timeframe, esp EVsave% (or just level the field for goalies who see a bigger share of PP shots) … take it, Tyler. And Robin would be well advised to invent a new standard for goalie evaluation, something vague and foolish and nearly impossible to pin down. Because, rolling forward, it strikes me as damn unlikely that the facts are going to be his friend.

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In fairness to Robin, he's wise enough to not wager, and instead relies on his internet-friends (even creepier than it sounds, having read much of this thread). And if you can sell stupid like hotcakes ... there's only one thing to do; raise the price and sell even more stupid!

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#153 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:43AM
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"Travis Dakin:

Please tell me, why do you shudder to think of what sites I may be reading"

I was thinking something a little different. I'm a long ways from being an intellectual, myself.

Ever read any HFboards prospect threads? There are some effers there that like the kids way too much. Interpol should be watching that site, seriously. It's freaking creepy.

You, though, I don't know you from Adam. For all I know you are a great guy, or maybe you're a murderer ... that's the internet. But my remark was meant to insinuate you were a creepy internet pervert. I can't believe you missed that. It's just not funny if I have to explain it.

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#154 Travis Dakin
January 30 2010, 05:44AM
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@Vic Ferrari

So all of your anger is derived from Robin saying that "JDD has pretty much shoved it up the backsides of his critics"?

That is your basis of "He doesn't know much about hockey?"

But my remark was meant to insinuate you were a creepy internet pervert. I can't believe you missed that. It's just not funny if I have to explain it.

I'm sorry but the lines are getting a little blurred as to when to take you serious or when to know that you are joking. You are an enigma to me and my shift is just about over so I'm getting tired. You'll also notice that I use my real name and have an actual picture of me in my window and most on this site can tell you that I live in Fort McMurray. I'm pretty transparent so I'm obviously not making myself a good internet creeper. I guess we can say the joke went right over my head.

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#155 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 05:58AM
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"He doesn't know hockey" comes from reading Robin in the past. I haven't read him in a while, but I doubt he's changed.

If you have any old games on PVR or VHS ... search through for the matching Brownlee article, dude is talking about stuff that flat out didn't happen in the game. Hell, that's his hallmark.

That should matter.

Ask Robin, immediately after a game, what the other team's coach was trying to do, and why (Quinn doesn't usually get up to much on the bench, plus Robin could ask him). And ask him what system the bad guys were playing in their own end. Maybe he's changed, maybe he gets it right. I wouldn't advise letting the rent ride on it, though.

And I'm not angry, but I saw him throw a stone ... and when a dummy throws a stone, I'm in. It's fun.

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#156 Vic Ferrari
January 30 2010, 06:08AM
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@Travis Dakin

"I'm sorry but the lines are getting a little blurred as to when to take you serious or when to know that you are joking."

Yeah, I'm getting a little punchy myself.

I hadn't noticed your picture there ... but when you think about it, what's to stop an internet perv/murderer from putting up a regular pick and using a pseudonym that sounds like an ordinary name?

Maybe you're a regular guy getting off his shift in Fort Mac ... maybe you're a psycho cruising the interstate just outside Baltimore, chatting here with your blackberry while you take a break from searching for hitchhikers and runaways. You've got to admit, the 'regular guy named Travis' thing would be a good cover. We just never know.

I'm half serious with that.

Any road, peace out. I'm done.

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#157 RCN
January 30 2010, 06:58AM
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WOW...

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#158 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 30 2010, 07:19AM
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Colby Cosh wrote:

I have no criticism to make of a journalist who thinks being flat-out wrong is "no reflection on him". None is possible.

ok smart guy, how exactly was he wrong? JDD struggles along behind a last place team, does that automatically mean he cant play?

brownlee might have jumped the gun a bit, but it is far to early to declare, either way, who is "wrong"

f-ing knuckleheads

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#159 Skidplate
January 30 2010, 07:26AM
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RCN wrote:

WOW...

That's what she said.....

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#160 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 30 2010, 07:33AM
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RCN wrote:

WOW...

agreed.

the douchebag meter was pinned last night apparently

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#161 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 08:20AM
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@Vic Ferrari

This really grinds my gears.

I really hate stupid people like Vic, who love to use fake names and come on websites and bash writers and other people for fun. Its called being jealous and Vic you are the most jealous person I have ever seen on this site, nevermind this site that I have every meet in life.

So get off your high horse, and stop complaining about Brownlee. Brownlee knows a lot about hockey if he didn't do you think he would still have the job he has, cause then even you Vic could have his job. Because I am sure you don't know anything about hockey.

I think by what I am reading that you are a 37 yearold virgin living in your parents basement, and you got bored of wacthing harry potter, so you decided to come on Oilersnation and read what brownlee wrote, and decided to start a fight.

So I got a wager for you. Why not we have a Brownlee vs Vic, write off, about hockey.

And sees who writes a better article, the people here will come up with a topic and we will see. Then and only then will you be able to run your mouth.

Do you want to take that Wager big guy who still lives with mommy?

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#162 Bar Qu
January 30 2010, 08:23AM
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Careful Dennis, you disagree with the fanboys on this site and you risk bringing down their wrath (all expressed in such eloquent fashion). Fanboy types ruin it for everyone.

On a separate note, I do enjoy RB's articles since they are one of the 2 or 3 remaining reasons to keep coming back here. But I think the criticism of how dismissive he is of any discussion/disagreement around his views is a valid one.

Also, I heartily despise the simple ad hominem crap that has been thrown back and forth here, but of late that is the kind of thing that dominates discussion on ON.

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#163 Bar Qu
January 30 2010, 08:50AM
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Just a quick question. Is Dennis banned on here? Or did he really say something so awful it got his post removed? Because compared to most of the stuff put up in the last 12 hours, it seemed pretty innocuous.

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#164 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 09:00AM
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Off topic:

Can anyone explain why the rush tickets are setup like they are.

Example I am going tonight and I have a second level seat for 47 dollars. And you can buy a 30 dollar ticket in row 1 behind the goalie. Anyone know why?

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#165 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 09:01AM
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Why does it matter?

It up to the people who run the site.

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#166 Bar Qu
January 30 2010, 09:02AM
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Heavyd wrote:

Why does it matter?

It up to the people who run the site.

You're right. How silly of me to ask a question.

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#167 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 09:21AM
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@Bar Qu

Its nobody's business what happened to his post.

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#168 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 09:23AM
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@ brownlee

Don't you just hate it that you are on vacation, and you have to come here because stupid people are running your name through the mud.

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#169 Bar Qu
January 30 2010, 09:31AM
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@Heavyd

Again. I am so sorry I asked a question. I recognise/understand/accept that one should do nothing here except bow prostrate and receive the wisdom of someone else.

I will in future refrain from upsetting such critical thinkers as yourself and others who know that others know best for them.

This whole freedom of speech thing as it relates to inquiry and desire to learn has run its course anyways.

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#170 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 09:34AM
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Who fed the Mogwai after Midnight? The posts between 12:00 and 6:00 got a little wacky. Good on you Travis for trying to reason with the pimply faced socially inept web trolls.

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#171 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 09:34AM
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@Bar Qu

Whatever man. Have a good day.

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#172 Woodguy
January 30 2010, 09:38AM
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"They know everything about hockey but don't make a penny from their prose and few people, outside of the same little circle, have ever read what they have to say."

To be fair Robin, Ron McLean has mentioned Tyler's site a few times as one of the best hockey blogs on HNIC.

This is a long running feud, mostly between you and Dennis, but you have to admit, when you thought you were right about JDD, you stuck the knife in and twisted. You had to expect reaction when you posted the opposite.

"For them, it comes down to this: I apparently don't know a thing about hockey (I don't even know what I'm watching), but I've been paid, and paid well, to write about it for a long time. "

I'm not attacking your writing here, just your logic.

Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini have been getting paid a long time to make managerial hockey decisions.

Length of time spent doing something (even if you are paid to do it) does not always equal proficiency at the task.

Well this was all a nice distraction this Saturday morning. Certainly more exciting than watching the Oilers.

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#173 VK63
January 30 2010, 09:41AM
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OilFan wrote:

First of all. Penner would never get you a third overall pick.

Second Souray will not get more then a 2nd round pick. He was luck to play with Markov in Montreal and just like other dman that have played with him in the last four seasons they all signed to over price contracts.

Souray should thank Markov for that. Any thoughts ?

yes i heard pierre on the fan 960 as well. I think Pierre may have a point... that is my thought.

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#174 Bar Qu
January 30 2010, 09:49AM
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Thanks heavy d. You have a good one too.

Next time stay out of something that doesn't involve you.

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#175 DBO
January 30 2010, 09:50AM
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Wow. lots of anger. Everyone having a bad Friday and Saturday? Did someone piss in your cornflakes?

Back to the post by robin. I appreciate when someone can admit they made a mistake. As for the future possibilities: - Hemsky: I call Sather. he loves shiny toys, and hemsky would be stellar beside gaborik. you could pry some serious players from him. I'd try for Dubinsky, callahan and Girardi for Hemsky and any other player on our roster. You could add Grebeshkov tot he deal to make that happen. - penner: If you are just dumping players then you do it, but he is the one guy who has shown any ability to do stuff on his own this year, so I would keep him. (especially if you deal hemsky). - Souray: At this point you go for a top prospect and that's it./ this deal is more about freeing up money then a return. Hickey from LA would work.

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#176 LBH
January 30 2010, 09:51AM
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Looks like I'm late to the parade, but I'd like to still throw my 2 bits into the 3 questions Brownlee threw out there. I haven't read the 150+ msgs so I apologize if I'm biting anyones ideas (guess that means genious' think alike)

Souray, main pieces from each team would be DAL - Fistric ANA - Gardiner LAK - Teubert

Penner Hell yes! If CAR wanted Penner for #3, in a heartbeat.

Hemsky Depending on the package, he's a serviceable player, cheap, young, and I'd almost rather try and keep him pending on how much we'd be able to resign him for when his contract is up... If we were in the position to trade him come this summer, maybe to PHX for Mueller + top tier prospect + pick(s)... FLA for Horton... SJS for Clowe

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#177 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 09:54AM
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@Bar Qu

Wouldn't you just talking about freedom of speech, I was exceresing my right.

And you should stay out of why dennis posts got erased it doesn't have anything to do with you. Maybe you should take your own advice instead of telling me what to do.

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#178 OilW30
January 30 2010, 10:03AM
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While I think the numbers guys are a little sure of themselves sometimes, it does seem like they predicted our goalie situation a long time ago, and with a surprising degree of accuracy. It's pretty sad that a bunch of part-time bloggers would have made better decisions than our current management team.

And it's bad enough that they signed Khabby, but did the Oilers know that they couldn't get out of it because he was 35? Seriously, did they even know?

There was also the Brule waivers flap, where these part-timers appeared to know the CBA better than the Oilers did.

These are amateur mistakes and people should be fired over them. If I were Katz, I would see them as unforgiveable demonstrations of incompetence.

It just blows my mind that a couple of PART-TIME BLOGGERS would outperform our current management.

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#179 Bar Qu
January 30 2010, 10:10AM
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Heavyd wrote:

Wouldn't you just talking about freedom of speech, I was exceresing my right.

And you should stay out of why dennis posts got erased it doesn't have anything to do with you. Maybe you should take your own advice instead of telling me what to do.

Sorry. My last reply was a bit dismissive and unkind.

But, I still maintain that I am allowed to ask why a reasonable post was removed when so many other posts that go over the line for language and simple offensiveness are allowed to remain. When you jumped in and said (I paraphrase) 'they can do as they like. don't ask why' it bugged me. I didn't understand why you felt the need to defend them and so I continued the fight with you, mainly to re-emphasise my point that ON is not a place where someone can raise a dissenting viewpoint without having crap flung at them. A long-standing concern of mine.

So, as you can see, the erasure of a post is something that does concern me and thus does not fall under the 'none of your business' provision of freedom of speech (Candian Charter of Rights, Sec 2, sub sec b, clause 13).

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#180 Heavyd
January 30 2010, 10:16AM
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@Bar Qu

And my point is that this isn't your site, and the owners of the site can do anything they want. And thats what I was trying to say to you. It doesn't matter what you think about other posts that should be erased and that other ones aren't, since you are not the owner of the website.

Does this make sense?

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#181 Bar Qu
January 30 2010, 10:23AM
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Heavyd wrote:

And my point is that this isn't your site, and the owners of the site can do anything they want. And thats what I was trying to say to you. It doesn't matter what you think about other posts that should be erased and that other ones aren't, since you are not the owner of the website.

Does this make sense?

Yeah that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is if you want public comment on articles written and the only moderation guidelines provided are 'pretend your mom is reading over your shoulder' not 'do not say anything we disagree with, no matter how mild, or we wil simply remove any post you make' then it makes me question ON's commitment to discussion of articles.

Plus, as I have added numerous times, I don't like how dissenting viewpoints when they are not deleted are attacked by other posters, not on the basis of the merit of the post, but simply because they don't go with the flow.

Does this makes sense? (no sarcasm implied or intended)

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#182 BUCK75
January 30 2010, 10:41AM
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Well, back to the topic I guess seeing how I just arrived at this poo throwing match.

1: Any team I would like a pick - 2nd or 3rd round & some young players. Dallas I would like Jamie Benn & a project dman like Mike Bergin or Trevor Ludwig

Anaheim would be Jake Gardiner & a utility forward like MacGregor Sharp.

LA I would like Colten Teubert & a project like Jake Muzzin.

2: Cya Dustin, enjoy hockey in the 'Triangle'

3: I would like a center ice man like Jordan Staal to build around. Or a Mike Richards - Jeff Carter out of Philly. Young seasoned players, nothing over the top talented, but something to build a 'team' around.

I am OK with stinking next year too - I would hate to see Jagr come here. It would be the same gimmick that was pulled with Khabi. Too risky I think.

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#183 freeze
January 30 2010, 10:50AM
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"With GM Steve Tambellini locked in the fetal position and unlikely to pull the trigger on anything except the handgun he's been putting in his mouth when he's home alone — no commitment there, either — I'd like to pick your brains about some scenarios he might be facing between now and July 1."

That is an awesome piece of writing right there! I almost shot coffee out of my nose!

And yes, I'd trade Penner for the 2nd or 3rd pick. Jimmy-boy wouldn't even have the full sentence out of his mouth before the contract would be in his inbox.

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#184 OilW30
January 30 2010, 11:00AM
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Do you think we could trade Tambo for a bag of pucks?

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#185 Pajamah
January 30 2010, 11:09AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Might have to top up the offer.

Tambo and a bag of pucks for a bag of pucks?

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#186 freeze
January 30 2010, 11:13AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Ahem, the third pick. I laid it out that way because many people (not all, including EJ Maguire) see Hall and Seguin as a tick better than Fowler. Pick one or two for Penner is clear-cut in my mind. It gets marginally muddier at three, no?

I haven't seen Fowler play enough to know. Unless it is a 'generational' talent (ie Crosby, Ovie) it is such a crap-shoot in the draft. Does Fowler come close to the level of Doughty? Even then, I'd still trade Penner while he has some value. But then the Oilers would be getting smaller again...

You're right that if it was the second pick, you'd have to sweeten the deal. Perhaps adding a 1st round pick from the shipping off of Souray, Moreau, etc.?

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#187 Tyler
January 30 2010, 11:17AM
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They know everything about hockey but don't make a penny from their prose

There is all sorts of stuff that I don't know hockey. I was walking home from the Kings-Leafs game the other night - this is a true story - and I was thinking to myself about a play that Doughty made where a guy was coming in on him, got down about halfway between the top of the circle and the dot, pulled up and reversed towards the blue line. Doughty chased, the guy threw the puck to the area Doughty vacated and the Leafs ended up getting a good scoring chance. I'm pretty sure Doughty was at fault on the play but not entirely sure.

I figure that you could probably learn a lot about systems and technical stuff if you were on a beat for a year just by asking questions of the coaching staff about plays like that. I find it astounding that so few media guys can be bothered to do so in order to write informative stories (would blow out the time for "What'd you think about XXX's game tonight?" I guess) but c'est la vie.

As far as making a penny from my prose goes, I'll leave it at saying that I get paid for my writing all the time. I've never had any interest in a hockey writing job, because the money sucks and the industry is dying.

and few people, outside of the same little circle, have ever read what they have to say. That galls Vic and Tyler and Dennis and the rest of them,

I happen to know that my site is fairly well read and I think I'm hitting my target audience. We aim for different readers Robin, just like the Sun and the Journal.

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#188 Tyler
January 30 2010, 11:23AM
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While I think the numbers guys are a little sure of themselves sometimes...

In fairness, this little kerfuffle arose out of Robin asserting that JDD had shoved it up the backside of his critics and proved he was a legitimate NHL starter. So even if we concede that the numbers guys are a little too sure sometimes, that frailty doesn't seem to be limited to numbers guys.

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#189 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 11:31AM
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@Tyler

I think you just gave the answer in your own post as to why MSM guys dont bother getting technical in their breakdown of the game. It's about their audience. There are lots of people who would love to read about the technical aspects of each game in glorious detail, but there are even more people who get turned off by that. The MSM is, after all, designed to attract the MS. There has to be a fine line between coming off as knowledgeable and sounding too much like a text-book.

I doubt that the MSM "can't be bothered" to learn about systems so much as they dont want to lose readers by spending copious amounts of time writing about aspects of the game that most readers dont actually care to read about. It is a business after all.

There is, though, an audience that wants to read about those often ignored aspects of the game, and other writers fill those niche markets. It is faulty thinking, I believe, to assume that just because someone does not spend all their time writing about technical aspects of the Game that the writer in question "couldnt be bothered to learn" about the them.

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#190 Jon
January 30 2010, 11:31AM
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1. With the signing of Scuderi in L.A., I think Souray for Matt Greene and a pick would be the best chance.

LA wants Souray because Greene brings a physical element and is a leader for L.A. Souray will replace both things and a little more in terms of leadership, plus he will add offence. Greene looked like LA wanted him to be their stay at home guy (ex. Regehr), but after the Scuderi signing, he is awfully expensive for a guy who's the second option now.

Edmonton wants Greene so they don't lose leadership and grit, they save some money, add a draft pick, and they add a stay at home guy to complement the puck-movers (grebs, Gibert etc.).

2. No, if 1-2 goes Hall-Seguin or Seguin-Hall. Yes, if Hall or Seguin are still available.

3. I call everyone and make them bid, knowing fully well that teams will jump to add a legitimate first liner for 4 million. Definitely don't do it the way Ryan Smyth was dealt. But just for fun, I'll say I call Calgary and inquire about Dion Phaneuf and picks. I'll call Nashville, and I'll add in Visnovsky and inquire about Weber/Suter, Hornqvist, and picks. And I'll call Carolina and inquire about Cam Fowler and Jiri Tlusty (seeing that they wanted to trade their pick and are obviously not in win-now mode)

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#191 Crash
January 30 2010, 11:38AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

diesel wrote: arnott, guerin, damphousse, satan, graves, theres a sh!t ton more, but there's a few to begin with

Original Ogden Brother wrote:

Those were 15+ years ago (and most weren't in the age sweat spot we were reffering to)

The age group back then was older because the age of UFA's was older back then. The UFA age is now in the age bracket we're talking about and is why we are talking about that age bracket. And still we always get scared that our pending UFA's are going to walk and we need to trade them now before that happens and we go younger.

Merry go round

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#192 BUCK75
January 30 2010, 11:41AM
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Matt Greene would be great back here - but he just sold his dream house in Edmonton earlier this year.

How pissed would you be to build a custom house, get traded, sit on it for a year, sell it & get traded back.

Just saying....I guess it's part of the job.

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#193 Tyler
January 30 2010, 11:41AM
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But when the same old bunch -- and we know who they are -- roll out their AGENDA time after time and month after month and do nothing but criticize a site that's growing in leaps and bounds and take shots at the people who are making that happen in an effort to discredit what we're doing, it's laughable.

Pointing out when people say stupid things was my thing long before I got an email in the fall of 2007 asking me if I was interested in writing for this site. As it so happens, I'm pretty sure I share some mutual friends with one of the guys who writes this place, so I've got no problems with the site. I'm all for more interesting stuff about the Oilers.

It's when you say stuff that's stupid that my ears prick up, just like they did when you were at the Sun and just like they do with your buddies who are still employed at the newspapers that people pay for. It's not the medium that matters Robin - it's people who are presented as being knowledgeable about hockey saying dumb stuff that attracts my attention.

If you guys don't want the site to get smirked and pointed at from time to time, you should tone down the stuff from Gregor where HE IS WRONG about some point relating to the CBA and the incomprehensible arguments from yourself.

Do they really think people can't see through it? They can cloak it in "Brownlee being wrong about Deslauriers" or "Brownlee being too soft on Lowe" or whatever, but that's nothing but smoke.

Am I typing this while sitting in a black helicopter, hovering over your house? Possibly. But just so you know, as Cosh said many pages ago, it's not about Brownlee being wrong about JDD, it's Brownlee making an absurdly over-the-top statement about JDD, looking bad immediately, popping up to talk about how right he was after JDD strings two competent games together (one against the worst team in the NHL, non-Edmonton division) and then seeing JDD completely fall apart.

As a special bonus, you're either a poor communicator or have shifting rationales to boot. We started with this:

“I don’t know about you, but from where I sit Jeff Deslauriers has pretty much shoved it up the backsides of his critics once and for all as to his ability to be a competent NHL starter during the 10 straight games he’s played since Nik Khabibulin’s back gave out because of wallet strain.”

Then, after I point out what a tiny sample size that is, you come back with:

Deslauriers is an NHL starter. I’m not basing that on 10 games, I’m basing that opinion on eight years of watching him stop pucks — something I maybe didn’t make clear enough in the item that had the geeks scoffing at my take.

And now you're ready to abandon him because he's looked terrible for a month? So it wasn't about ten games (even though you said it was) and now he's no good because of a month in which he's played six games? This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

It's not the being wrong, it's how incomprehensible it all is and how much the rationale shifts to fit whatever the facts are at a given time.

Nice tribute to Willis at the end, by the way. I think we can all agree that he's a fine fellow. I'd bet you that, if he had the capacity to smirk (he seems like a pretty nice guy, so he might not), he'd be smirking at the allegations of an agenda against ON.

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#194 Tyler
January 30 2010, 11:43AM
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But when the same old bunch -- and we know who they are -- roll out their AGENDA time after time and month after month and do nothing but criticize a site that's growing in leaps and bounds and take shots at the people who are making that happen in an effort to discredit what we're doing, it's laughable.

Pointing out when people say stupid things was my thing long before I got an email in the fall of 2007 asking me if I was interested in writing for this site. As it so happens, I'm pretty sure I share some mutual friends with one of the guys who writes this place, so I've got no problems with the site. I'm all for more interesting stuff about the Oilers.

It's when you say stuff that's stupid that my ears prick up, just like they did when you were at the Sun and just like they do with your buddies who are still employed at the newspapers that people pay for. It's not the medium that matters Robin - it's people who are presented as being knowledgeable about hockey saying dumb stuff that attracts my attention.

If you guys don't want the site to get smirked and pointed at from time to time, you should tone down the stuff from Gregor where HE IS WRONG about some point relating to the CBA and the incomprehensible arguments from yourself.

Do they really think people can't see through it? They can cloak it in "Brownlee being wrong about Deslauriers" or "Brownlee being too soft on Lowe" or whatever, but that's nothing but smoke.

Am I typing this while sitting in a black helicopter, hovering over your house? Possibly. But just so you know, as Cosh said many pages ago, it's not about Brownlee being wrong about JDD, it's Brownlee making an absurdly over-the-top statement about JDD, looking bad immediately, popping up to talk about how right he was after JDD strings two competent games together (one against the worst team in the NHL, non-Edmonton division) and then seeing JDD completely fall apart.

As a special bonus, you're either a poor communicator or have shifting rationales to boot. We started with this:

“I don’t know about you, but from where I sit Jeff Deslauriers has pretty much shoved it up the backsides of his critics once and for all as to his ability to be a competent NHL starter during the 10 straight games he’s played since Nik Khabibulin’s back gave out because of wallet strain.”

Then, after I point out what a tiny sample size that is, you come back with:

Deslauriers is an NHL starter. I’m not basing that on 10 games, I’m basing that opinion on eight years of watching him stop pucks — something I maybe didn’t make clear enough in the item that had the geeks scoffing at my take.

And now you're ready to abandon him because he's looked terrible for a month? So it wasn't about ten games (even though you said it was) and now he's no good because of a month in which he's played six games? This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

It's not the being wrong, it's how incomprehensible it all is and how much the rationale shifts to fit whatever the facts are at a given time.

Nice tribute to Willis at the end, by the way. I think we can all agree that he's a fine fellow. I'd bet you that, if he had the capacity to smirk (he seems like a pretty nice guy, so he might not), he'd be smirking at the allegations of an agenda against ON.

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#195 Tyler
January 30 2010, 11:48AM
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Fact is, if it wasn't Deslauriers, it would be (and has been) something else. There's a long track record of that here. At some point, and soon, we'll decide it's enough and stop giving you and Dennis and the rest more attention than you get anywhere else. That's our call.

You're going to stop the occasional references to my site (and more frequent references to my ideas) on HNiC? Man, the Nation has A LOT of juice.

Just so long as you know - and I think it's obvious to any fair observer - that you don't like dealing with people who don't call you Mr. Brownlee and start with the default assumption that you're right because you're Robin F. Brownlee. You can't win in any sort of a fair debate or exchange of ideas so you're going to ask your bosses to help you hide from it.

Man, am I ever envious.

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#196 JorgeR
January 30 2010, 11:49AM
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@Robin Brownlee

I've got new respect for you after reading that RB.

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#197 Tyler
January 30 2010, 11:51AM
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That doesn't matter, though, because I said what I said initially and you're damn sure going to sink your teeth into it and refuse to let go.

Just so we're clear. You didn't just say what you said initially. You followed it with a post in which you repeatedly called me a geek and a nerd (and either changed your argument or are a lousy communicator). If you don't like people rubbing your face in it a bit, you might want to avoid rubbing someone else's face in it.

Particularly when the horse you've decided to ride is JDD.

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#198 LBH
January 30 2010, 11:54AM
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This looks to be like a junior high shoving match at the monkey bars. Here I thought I was getting away from some of the tom foolery of HF boards for awhile, and instead I'm reading a bunch of grown men on their rags, wtf?

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#199 frat boy with close-set eyes
January 30 2010, 11:55AM
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Yea RB, you tell those nerds who's boss!

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#200 Matt Henderson
January 30 2010, 11:58AM
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@Tyler

A fair debate or exchange that includes you using words like "dumb", "stupid", and "incomprehensible"?

Oh yeah, quite the debate skills you have.

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