Fore!: Mind if we play through?

Robin Brownlee
January 04 2010 06:03PM

The Edmonton Oilers had golf and a little rest and relaxation planned for four-day break between games on this upcoming homestand, but coach Pat Quinn has decided the time would be better spent on the ice at a two-day mini-camp than studying putts on lush greens in California.

Nine losses in the last 10 games and a glance at the standings that shows the Oilers sitting 29th overall prompted Quinn to cancel a team golf junket to Palm Springs, like the one hosted by owner Daryl Katz last season, in favour of two days of toil at Rexall Place this weekend.

"There was a plan, and a good one by our management and ownership, to pay attention to some important people in this business," Quinn said.

"That's our fans and our sponsors. And, then, also give the players a little bit of a break, which seemed pretty smart in August, but doesn't feel, as a coach, very smart right now."

Whether Quinn made the call or it actually came from higher up by way of president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, GM Steve Tambellini or even Katz, it doesn't matter. A getaway now would've gone over about as well as diarrhea at a pool party.

It's the right move.

Entitle this...

Optics being what they are, now isn't exactly the best time for the Oilers to take a break from the grind and trade their skates and sticks for spikes and drivers at some swank resort. "What did you have on that hole, Ethan?" Or, "Where's the cart girl, I could use a cold one." You get the drift.

Quinn didn't get into specifics about the cancelled team function when he met with reporters. He instead framed the four-day break as a good time to go back to work and sort some things out.

Given recent events, notably all of the bad press the Oilers got for their run-in with publicity-hungry Maurizio Terrigno, the owner of the Osteria de Medici restaurant in Cowtown, and the ongoing on-ice struggles that have the team sitting 29th in NHL standings, that's not a bad idea.

What fans want, and have every right to expect after 42 games that have the Oilers sitting 15 points out of a playoff spot without any hope of getting back into contention, is a couple days of honest sweat in practice.

If players want to squeal about that, and my guess is they have and will, and Quinn has to wear the black hat, so be it. What, pray tell, could be the possible argument against putting in two days work to try and get things straightened out? Golf season, after all, will be here April 12, which is soon enough.

Say what?

It's mind-boggling to me that it's 42 games into the season and the Oilers, it seems, still haven't grasped the systems Quinn and his coaching staff have been trying to implement since pre-season. At least, that's my take based on what I saw and what Quinn said today.

The Oilers were on the ice for about 90 minutes at Rexall Place, and they spent almost as much time gathered around Quinn and Tom Renney, who diagrammed drills on a white board, as they did practising.

"I'm not copping out here, but we had one practice day before we played an exhibition game," Quinn said. "Never have I not had time to instil the basics. I had more time going to the Olympics than I did with this team.

"We've been working at bringing the system of play in... you saw us 15 minutes at the board at one time, asking questions we've been talking about for three months. You think, holy smoke, we've been working on this for three months? What have we missed here? We're going to do some work."

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#52 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 05 2010, 07:40AM
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@michael clarke

It is 20 days to the trade deadline.

the trade deadline is March 3. my math might be a tad off, but is that 20 days away? bueller? bueller?

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#53 Eddie Shore
January 05 2010, 07:50AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:
It is 20 days to the trade deadline.

the trade deadline is March 3. my math might be a tad off, but is that 20 days away? bueller? bueller?

Maybe 20 games?

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#54 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 05 2010, 07:52AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Maybe 20 games?

i assume that was the idea.

it is way to early to try and be a frickin code breaker. plus, i like to be an a$$hole whenever i get the chance

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#55 Eddie Shore
January 05 2010, 08:00AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

i assume that was the idea.

it is way to early to try and be a frickin code breaker. plus, i like to be an a$$hole whenever i get the chance

Well played.

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#56 devoknows
January 05 2010, 08:01AM
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@ Archaeologuy

Brutal Point on the Horc issue! Lets use your numbers against Penner,

Player act points prjct points prject +/-

Horc 18 39 -41 Penner 38 76 +22

Penner is 1.25 million hit to the cap "LESS" then Horcoff. Do you see how brutal Horcoff is now? You never heard anyone sayiing Horcoff had a lot of talent, you always just heard about his work ethic. He was a "poor man's Jari Kurri" when playing with Hemmer. He has a nack of being in the right spot at the right time for Hemmer, but with a wonky shoulder he can't even burry those opportunities anymore. Also, he clearly has lost a step, he can't beat anyone to the outside anymore, his favorite move is burst to the outside and stop, because the defence was able to adjust and cut him off. The best thing I have heard yet is, keep playing him for the rest of the year, this should assist us in our quest for DFF then send him to the minors next year. I like the fact he doesnt play 21-23 minutes anymore, gets some of the kids taking up his ice time. If we for some reason we need to replace a "Horcoff type player" Potulny would be a great replacement HORCOFF IS DONE!!!

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#57 rubbertrout
January 05 2010, 08:20AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Always delusional regarding cap space.

Did you know he's on a 20 goal (82 game) pace. Lupul makes 1.25/less and you were interested in him because he's a 20 goal scorer. Yet 5.5 for 20 should be in the AHL.

Testify OOB.

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#58 rubbertrout
January 05 2010, 08:28AM
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devoknows wrote:

@ Archaeologuy

Brutal Point on the Horc issue! Lets use your numbers against Penner,

Player act points prjct points prject +/-

Horc 18 39 -41 Penner 38 76 +22

Penner is 1.25 million hit to the cap "LESS" then Horcoff. Do you see how brutal Horcoff is now? You never heard anyone sayiing Horcoff had a lot of talent, you always just heard about his work ethic. He was a "poor man's Jari Kurri" when playing with Hemmer. He has a nack of being in the right spot at the right time for Hemmer, but with a wonky shoulder he can't even burry those opportunities anymore. Also, he clearly has lost a step, he can't beat anyone to the outside anymore, his favorite move is burst to the outside and stop, because the defence was able to adjust and cut him off. The best thing I have heard yet is, keep playing him for the rest of the year, this should assist us in our quest for DFF then send him to the minors next year. I like the fact he doesnt play 21-23 minutes anymore, gets some of the kids taking up his ice time. If we for some reason we need to replace a "Horcoff type player" Potulny would be a great replacement HORCOFF IS DONE!!!

Comparing a guy having a career year that is much better than what his contract pays him to a guy who is having an off year isn't really the most reliable use of stats. I'm sure everyone in the world would say that Penner at 1.25 less than Horc is a good deal but I think that speaks volumes to Penners value right now (the 8.5M spent on his last two years is another story for another time).

Penner 2.0 is fabulous no doubt (and a bargain compared to a number of other players at the moment--Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Gomez, Richards, LeCavalier and I could go on ad nauseum).

Nobody mentioned what a great deal Penner was the last two years when he was the whipping boy.

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#59 Tyler
January 05 2010, 08:38AM
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MPS should not be on the team next year. Give him another year in the SEL and then bring him over at 20 when they aren't burning FA years to do it.

As far as Quinn goes, I'm concerned that this will lead to him losing the room.

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#60 Bob Cobb
January 05 2010, 08:46AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I wrote a week or so ago that my 2010-11 edition of the team would have room for Eberle and Paajarvi-Svensson on it.

Not as saviours, but in an well-defined environment that the team is rebuilding. There's a big difference in expectations based on how the situation is framed.

Players like MPS are often reluctant to leave a comfortable situation in Europe to bus it in the AHL. That said, and seeing the benefit of getting him into the Oilers system as soon as possible -- under the right circumstances -- I can see him being here next season.

I agree that both need to be in the system ASAP, I guess what I mean't was don't rush them to the big's if they aren't ready, if they are thats great. Let them develop for a period in the AHL, both have immense talent and I would prefer to not have a situation like Brule had in Columbus occur in Edmonton.

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#61 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 05 2010, 08:46AM
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Tyler wrote:

MPS should not be on the team next year. Give him another year in the SEL and then bring him over at 20 when they aren't burning FA years to do it.

As far as Quinn goes, I'm concerned that this will lead to him losing the room.

Who cares, how much worse can it really get? This is the problem this organization has, they are too easy on their players and then the one time someone says something the players get pissed off. Well guess what if your not winning maybe it's time to do what the coach is asking of you.

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#62 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 08:46AM
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rubbertrout wrote:

Comparing a guy having a career year that is much better than what his contract pays him to a guy who is having an off year isn't really the most reliable use of stats. I'm sure everyone in the world would say that Penner at 1.25 less than Horc is a good deal but I think that speaks volumes to Penners value right now (the 8.5M spent on his last two years is another story for another time).

Penner 2.0 is fabulous no doubt (and a bargain compared to a number of other players at the moment--Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Gomez, Richards, LeCavalier and I could go on ad nauseum).

Nobody mentioned what a great deal Penner was the last two years when he was the whipping boy.

It looks like he's going to end up in the 45 - 50 range for scoring amoungst centers, cross refrence that to the pay grid for centers would give you price between 3.5 - 3.75 million.

So he would be somewhere between 1.75 - 2 million overpaid.

You don't send useful NHL'ers to the AHL because they are overpaid by 1.75 - 2 million unless their is a no brianer pick up that the $$ could be better used on.

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#63 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 08:47AM
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Tyler wrote:

MPS should not be on the team next year. Give him another year in the SEL and then bring him over at 20 when they aren't burning FA years to do it.

As far as Quinn goes, I'm concerned that this will lead to him losing the room.

Big deal. Everyone thought MacT "lost the room" last year yet the results have been no better when the "room has been regained"

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#64 Eddie Shore
January 05 2010, 08:51AM
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rubbertrout wrote:

Comparing a guy having a career year that is much better than what his contract pays him to a guy who is having an off year isn't really the most reliable use of stats. I'm sure everyone in the world would say that Penner at 1.25 less than Horc is a good deal but I think that speaks volumes to Penners value right now (the 8.5M spent on his last two years is another story for another time).

Penner 2.0 is fabulous no doubt (and a bargain compared to a number of other players at the moment--Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Gomez, Richards, LeCavalier and I could go on ad nauseum).

Nobody mentioned what a great deal Penner was the last two years when he was the whipping boy.

This guy has never put numbers up in back to back seasons so who is to even say what he "should" be producing or if he is having an "off" year? Maybe Horcoff just simply isn't the player some of you dream him to be? God forbid.

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#65 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 09:01AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

This guy has never put numbers up in back to back seasons so who is to even say what he "should" be producing or if he is having an "off" year? Maybe Horcoff just simply isn't the player some of you dream him to be? God forbid.

4 straight seasons of 50+ points should give him the benifit of the doubt of being a 50 - 55 point guy at a minimum.

Which refrences back to a 4 - 4.5 million dollar center.

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#66 Zamboni Driver
January 05 2010, 09:02AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Totally agree....and actually busting someone's balls would be useful I think. And Quinn is old school.

This collection of "might be's (but probably won't be)" and "never wases" don't get to decide who runs the show. They shut the hell up, be thankful that they are getting paid absolutely ridiculous money for the quality of player they are....and say "Yes Sir" a lot.

ESPECIALLY the old guys....seriously. Who in the world wants Staios? Pisani>...please. Or Moreau (okay MAYBE him...maybe).

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#67 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 09:03AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Who cares, how much worse can it really get? This is the problem this organization has, they are too easy on their players and then the one time someone says something the players get pissed off. Well guess what if your not winning maybe it's time to do what the coach is asking of you.

Ya, every night coaches accross the league go off on their team. For some reason Oiler fans view it as a negative when it happens here.

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#68 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 09:04AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

I still see you have that unrealistic notion that the Oilers wont require the 4 million in space they would save by replacing Horcoff with a cheaper model in the coming seasons.

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#69 Eddie Shore
January 05 2010, 09:06AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

4 straight seasons of 50+ points should give him the benifit of the doubt of being a 50 - 55 point guy at a minimum.

Which refrences back to a 4 - 4.5 million dollar center.

I suppose I wasn't looking at from that perspective. More of a who knows what he will produce this year perspective.

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#70 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 05 2010, 09:08AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ya, every night coaches accross the league go off on their team. For some reason Oiler fans view it as a negative when it happens here.

Sometimes I question when a coach does this but when you are the second worse team in the league and aren't even putting an effort then piss on you.

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#71 Zamboni Driver
January 05 2010, 09:10AM
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@Archaeologuy

Believe me, I'm NOT a Horcoff fan (I'm a SEVEN million, not 5.5 million guy).....

but really, this isn't worth considering, because as we all know, absolutely no one is going to take Horcoff's salary....ever.

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#72 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 05 2010, 09:12AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I still see you have that unrealistic notion that the Oilers wont require the 4 million in space they would save by replacing Horcoff with a cheaper model in the coming seasons.

Really though what are we to do? We are stuck with his contract and right now we don't have any better options.

Unless Katz decides to bury players in the NHL then fans will have to get over this and realize we have to work with what we have.

Or I guess we could move our first and Horcoff in a salary dump to the Islanders, but I'm sure that wouldn't go over to well either.

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#73 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 09:13AM
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@Zamboni Driver

he doesnt need to be traded to get his money off the books, that's what I was referring to.

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#74 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 09:18AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I still see you have that unrealistic notion that the Oilers wont require the 4 million in space they would save by replacing Horcoff with a cheaper model in the coming seasons.

Ha-ha, ya Edmonton has been a mecca for FA's. I'm sure that 4 million would be well spent.

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#75 rubbertrout
January 05 2010, 09:19AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

4 straight seasons of 50+ points should give him the benifit of the doubt of being a 50 - 55 point guy at a minimum.

Which refrences back to a 4 - 4.5 million dollar center.

Which is a bit of an overpay looking solely at point production as opposed to everything else he does (ie taking every face off for the team, playing all of the tough minutes etc.) This does not make his contract into the worst thing in the world. There are plenty of worse overpays. It isn't Lowe's triumph to be sure but it isn't the travesty that everyone makes it out to be.

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#76 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 09:19AM
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As long as they dont need the cap space he might as well be here, but he's been steadily playing his way down the roster since he wrecked his shoulder. The downward trend doesnt appear to be stopping, and there's no reason to believe it will. Keep him if you must, but by next year he might be battling to be the 3rd best center on the team.

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#77 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 09:20AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ha-ha, ya Edmonton has been a mecca for FA's. I'm sure that 4 million would be well spent.

Yeah, because the only way to acquire players has been through the FA market. Gotcha.

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#78 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 09:21AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

As long as they dont need the cap space he might as well be here, but he's been steadily playing his way down the roster since he wrecked his shoulder. The downward trend doesnt appear to be stopping, and there's no reason to believe it will. Keep him if you must, but by next year he might be battling to be the 3rd best center on the team.

Well he's still gets more minutes then any forward on the team, so either Quinn sees him as a pretty good NHL'er .... or Quinn is an "idiot".

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#79 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 09:22AM
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rubbertrout wrote:

Which is a bit of an overpay looking solely at point production as opposed to everything else he does (ie taking every face off for the team, playing all of the tough minutes etc.) This does not make his contract into the worst thing in the world. There are plenty of worse overpays. It isn't Lowe's triumph to be sure but it isn't the travesty that everyone makes it out to be.

Ya, i didn't want to get into "non-score sheet" value, but I would think his would bump him up 2-5 spots on the center list.

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#80 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 09:25AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Well he's still gets more minutes then any forward on the team, so either Quinn sees him as a pretty good NHL'er .... or Quinn is an "idiot".

I'm pickin up what youre puting down, but his effectiveness has been dropping like a stone for the past 2 years, there comes a time when he wont be worth it. I postulate that time will be as early as next year. That's all I said.

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#81 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 05 2010, 09:29AM
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@Archaeologuy

So what do you recommend we do about it?

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#82 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 09:35AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I'm pickin up what youre puting down, but his effectiveness has been dropping like a stone for the past 2 years, there comes a time when he wont be worth it. I postulate that time will be as early as next year. That's all I said.

Ya we'll see. It is certainly possible that the shoulder injury will eventuall relegat him to a 4th line NHL talent (possibly even as early as next year like you suggest). I'm hopeful he'll be able to give us a couple more years of 50 - 60 points. We'll see I guess.

I expect contract inflation to pick up again this summer and theirs alot of young centers in the league that will be getting raises over the next 2-3 years, so it wont be long before 55 points is "fair value" for 5.5 million, with 40 points being only a 1 - 1.25 million overpay.

As you imply though, their will be a point where they simply can't justify having 5.5 million in cap space eaten up for X amount of points.

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#83 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 09:36AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

So what do you recommend we do about it?

He's been dreaming about the AHL for 18 months now.

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#84 Racki
January 05 2010, 09:39AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

I agree that both need to be in the system ASAP, I guess what I mean't was don't rush them to the big's if they aren't ready, if they are thats great. Let them develop for a period in the AHL, both have immense talent and I would prefer to not have a situation like Brule had in Columbus occur in Edmonton.

They wouldn't even need to be sent to the AHL necessarily (although that is an option we have, thankfully... we didn't have that option with Gagner due to age + CHL/NHL agreement). But fans are going to have to bring their unrealistic expectations way down and allow these kids to be grown into the system slowly, for sure. Like you said yourself, they won't be the saviors next year, but you know people are already starting to expect that already. That sets these kids up for failure pretty easily. We've seen it a lot here.

I would be happy if they came in next year and played on a bottom six line together and faced some soft opposition and gained some experience at the NHL level. Of course, ultimately I'd love to see Eberle jump right into the top line sniper role, but I have no expectations of that happening.

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#85 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 09:39AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

Not much, he's all but untradeable and sending him to the minors wont help anything until next season at the earliest. I just see the guy on a downward trend that likely wont stop as he's getting older and even less physically capable to do his job. I just dont see any other out except for burying the guy in the minors. And unlike the Original OB, I can see the scenarios where the Oilers will need the money they're wasting on Horc.

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#86 swany
January 05 2010, 09:42AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I wrote a week or so ago that my 2010-11 edition of the team would have room for Eberle and Paajarvi-Svensson on it.

Not as saviours, but in an well-defined environment that the team is rebuilding. There's a big difference in expectations based on how the situation is framed.

Players like MPS are often reluctant to leave a comfortable situation in Europe to bus it in the AHL. That said, and seeing the benefit of getting him into the Oilers system as soon as possible -- under the right circumstances -- I can see him being here next season.

RB I've been saying this since your last blog if this is a full on rebuild we must play the top prospects next year. The Oil must define the players that will be part of the plan 3 years from now and move the others (if possible) and let the next guys come up and develope. One more guy that could be in next year (if we draft him) is Hall I see him jumping into the NHL next season how good would it look to have a MPS, Hall, Eberle second line with Penner, Gagner, Hemmer as the first line that's a skilled top six. Then our 5.5 mil cap hit can play were he should on the 3rd line as a checking/scoreing centre with Brule and JFJ.

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#87 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 05 2010, 09:52AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Not much, he's all but untradeable and sending him to the minors wont help anything until next season at the earliest. I just see the guy on a downward trend that likely wont stop as he's getting older and even less physically capable to do his job. I just dont see any other out except for burying the guy in the minors. And unlike the Original OB, I can see the scenarios where the Oilers will need the money they're wasting on Horc.

So when they need the money they could bury him then(if that is an option that Katz is willing to do), right now they have no need for that money so why bury a player in the minors that can teach the guys we have up here how to play two-way hockey.

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#88 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 05 2010, 09:53AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Yeah, because the only way to acquire players has been through the FA market. Gotcha.

has the trade market done anything to suggest it is a viable option for the oilers?

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#89 Dan the Man
January 05 2010, 09:53AM
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Anyone else dreading the effect this whole mini-camp thing is going to have?

I understand a coaches job is to win but we aren't going to make the playoffs so the only thing it will accomplish is getting us a worse draft pick.

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#90 RossCreekNation
January 05 2010, 09:56AM
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Well, I've been trumpeting a trade with Dallas (Souray/Visnovsky) for the past couple months and it looks as though today that may be put to rest...

Still waiting on a bigger rumor involving Edmonton and Dallas, but I need a source's confirmation and he just alerted me that he can't give it to me until morning. I will tell you this, I believe the Rangers are in talks with Vancouver, Edmonton, and Anaheim - Eklund

LOL. Maybe Ek reads ON and seen this RossCreek guy talkin Dallas rumors. Am I his source?

Hey Ek, you can run with it now, e4 - Souray for Jamie Benn.

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#91 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 09:58AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

has the trade market done anything to suggest it is a viable option for the oilers?

Outside of drafting players, the trade market has been consistently the ONLY viable option for the Oilers.

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#92 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 05 2010, 09:58AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Well, I've been trumpeting a trade with Dallas (Souray/Visnovsky) for the past couple months and it looks as though today that may be put to rest...

Still waiting on a bigger rumor involving Edmonton and Dallas, but I need a source's confirmation and he just alerted me that he can't give it to me until morning. I will tell you this, I believe the Rangers are in talks with Vancouver, Edmonton, and Anaheim - Eklund

LOL. Maybe Ek reads ON and seen this RossCreek guy talkin Dallas rumors. Am I his source?

Hey Ek, you can run with it now, e4 - Souray for Jamie Benn.

so you are a calgary fan AND read hockeybuzz?

sweet lord man

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#93 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 05 2010, 10:00AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Outside of drafting players, the trade market has been consistently the ONLY viable option for the Oilers.

and how has the trade market worked for the oilers the last couple of years?

i would say the only viable option is drafting players right now.

anyone in the top tier is not coming to edmonton right now via UFA or trade

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#94 RossCreekNation
January 05 2010, 10:02AM
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Without TSN2, sometimes I entertain myself with some Ek ;-)

Imagine my disappointment the other day as I'm on my way home from work thinking I can catch the last half of the USA v. Sweden game. Wrong. TSN2. Thanks. A lot. :-(

*sad trombone*

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#95 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 05 2010, 10:06AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

So when they need the money they could bury him then(if that is an option that Katz is willing to do), right now they have no need for that money so why bury a player in the minors that can teach the guys we have up here how to play two-way hockey.

Bingo

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#96 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 05 2010, 10:08AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Without TSN2, sometimes I entertain myself with some Ek ;-)

Imagine my disappointment the other day as I'm on my way home from work thinking I can catch the last half of the USA v. Sweden game. Wrong. TSN2. Thanks. A lot. :-(

*sad trombone*

Save the sad trombone for when you look at the draft standings today!

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#97 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 05 2010, 10:12AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Well, I've been trumpeting a trade with Dallas (Souray/Visnovsky) for the past couple months and it looks as though today that may be put to rest...

Still waiting on a bigger rumor involving Edmonton and Dallas, but I need a source's confirmation and he just alerted me that he can't give it to me until morning. I will tell you this, I believe the Rangers are in talks with Vancouver, Edmonton, and Anaheim - Eklund

LOL. Maybe Ek reads ON and seen this RossCreek guy talkin Dallas rumors. Am I his source?

Hey Ek, you can run with it now, e4 - Souray for Jamie Benn.

No worse then the Oiler blogger taking a ranger rumor off of hfboards.

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#98 madjam
January 05 2010, 10:14AM
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Until upper management realizes they have to build a bigger grittier club, we are always going to miss the playoffs because of bigger clubs like Flames and Canucks that throw our diminutive players around like ragdolls . First we have to build a club thats competitive within our own division - and we are not even close to accomplishing that even with MPS , Eberle and others . When you can't compete and at least have a .500 record in own division then your not going to be a playoff team - nor should you be. Coaching and players can only do so much ,the real problem is upstairs with the personnel that neither recognizes the obvious problems or is capable of fixing their problems without making things even worse . When you build a club with this many smurfs you can't expect anything better than where we are -last with little hope of getting better for years to come with present upper management insight and futilty.

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#99 RossCreekNation
January 05 2010, 10:14AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Save the sad trombone for when you look at the draft standings today!

I'm actually having a mini-camp for my players this wknd to see if they can turn it around.

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#100 Archaeologuy
January 05 2010, 10:28AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

and how has the trade market worked for the oilers the last couple of years?

i would say the only viable option is drafting players right now.

anyone in the top tier is not coming to edmonton right now via UFA or trade

You cant say what wont come here based on what hasnt come here in the last couple of years. The fact is that the trade route has been consistently open to the Oilers. Whether that be trading to acquire Pronger, Visnovsky or Roloson, or even the bad trades like Brodziak for a 5th rounder, trades have been available.

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