Oilers vs. Blue Jackets Postgame: Clutch Loss

Jonathan Willis
January 07 2010 10:57PM

Edmonton Oilers: 2

Columbus Blue Jackets: 4

On a night where the Carolina Hurricanes lost to Nashville, and facing an opponent nearly as inept as themselves, the Oilers needed to come up with a solid effort if they were going to lose this one. Fortunately, they did, as middling goaltending and a disastrous night for the Smid-Staios pairing earned them a hard-fought loss.

Three Stars

1. Fernando Pisani. I'll admit there's some bias in this particular choice, but there aren't many things that make me grin ear to ear in an Oilers game any more (I think the last one was Colin McDonald's goal), and Pisani's goal tonight made me do that.  It was vintage Pisani - a great forecheck to strip the puck off the defenceman's stick, and than a perfect shot to beat the goaltender.  A beautiful play, from a player who deserves a little success now and then.

2. Sheldon Souray.  Souray's struggled at times this season, but played a very nice game tonight.  He drilled Rick Nash early in the second period, he made smart plays all night, and his shot may not have resulted in a goal but it was very evident. 

3. Andrew Cogliano.  Playing with a somewhat limited player in Zack Stortini and a liability in Ethan Moreau, Cogliano played aggresively, charging the net and generating chances off the forecheck.  He also used his speed to draw a penalty late in the third and was at times a real joy to watch.

Dive For Five Star

Steve Staios.  I'll come right out and say it: without Staios' efforts tonights, the Oilers might have got away with a win - they were the better team, all things considered.  But it was Staios who was undressed by Fedor Tyutin and then left R.J. Umberger untouched in front of the net on the Blue Jackets' first goal, and it was Staios who lost a puck battle to Raffi Torres which resulted in a scoring chance and then a Staios penalty as he tried to recover - a penalty that led to a perfect shot by Kristian Huselius, a shot that stood up as the game winning goal.

Making this particularly difficult to say is the fact that Staios selflessly blocked hard shots at least twice that I saw, and looked in pain both times.  Like Jason Smith, Mike Grier and Ryan Smyth before him, Staios embodies the kind of self-sacrificing, do anything for the team mentality that is impossible not to admire.  Somewhere along the way though, he's lost a step or two.

Random Thoughts

Staios was bad, but his defence partner Ladislav Smid had a rough outing too.  On the Blue Jackets' second goal it was Smid who got crushed by Raffi Torres, which was half of the equation leading to the goal against (Patrick O'Sullivan failing to take Antoine Vermette was the other half).  The pairing was on for all three even-strength goals against.

Devan Dubnyk was okay.  He looked a little sketchy handling the puck behind his net, he looked shaky early, and he probably should have had the Huselius goal (although I'll cut him some slack because of the situation) but between freak deflections and missed coverage, the goals against were hardly his fault alone.  That said, any night a 'tender gives up four isn't a night to remember.

On a semi-related note, I'd like to thank my fantasy goaltender, Marc-Andre Fleury, for yet another miserable outing (Yahoo! stats line: 11.06 GAA, 11 saves, .733 SV%, 0 wins).  As if his effort last week wasn't enough.

Where was I?  Right, my fantasy team.  Nice goal by Gagner.

I thought the Oilers top line looked pretty good tonight.  All the players did that thing they do at times (Penner disappears, Nilsson gets too cute, Horcoff mishandles the puck) but despite that the line generated a bunch of quality chances and outplayed the Nash line for the majority of the evening. 

Tonight in improbable NHL'ers: Mathieu Roy.  It's nice to see the brittle defender, who set a career-high in games played last season with (a whopping) 59, playing in the NHL.

Patrick O'Sullivan went out of character tonight with a brutal hit on Jan Hejda.  He also whined about the penalty he took after kicking out Raffi Torres' feet; I'm still trying to figure out what his problem with it was.  Probably something along the lines of: 'C'mon it was Raffi Torres. RAFFI TORRES!'

Ethan Moreau made a couple of boneheaded plays at evens but had a splendid night on the penalty-kill, and despite my annoyance at superfluous cross-checking (it didn't get called but boy it could have) I have to give him credit: he played a few inspired shifts while the team was down a man.

With 30 seconds left in the game, and Pat Quinn and Tom Renney on the bench, I found it interesting to see Kelly Buchberger planning the attack.  Not that I have a particular critique, mind you; it was just interesting.

The Oilers are now on pace for a 69-point season, which should put them comfortably in the NHL's bottom five.  It's two points worse than their 2006-07 finish, and in the years since the lockout would have placed the Oilers anywhere between first and fourth in the draft order.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 BUCK75
January 08 2010, 10:39AM
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Giggsunited wrote:

was it a sellout last night? I wonder if that will come to an end?

Sell-outs are tickets sold - not asses in the seats. A waiting list for season tickets pretty much ensures years of 'sell outs' ahead IMO.

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#52 Giggsunited
January 08 2010, 10:43AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Sell-outs are tickets sold - not asses in the seats. A waiting list for season tickets pretty much ensures years of 'sell outs' ahead IMO.

Whatever the number is, I think 3-4000 tickets availble very game? those are the one selling, Season tickets are considered a sell out even if they dont go.

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#53 Jason Gregor
January 08 2010, 10:46AM
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@Dyckster

If it makes you feel any better, I believe one of the Lotto "rules" is a team can far no further than 1 spot in the draft. I.E. if the Oiler's finish 30th overall the worst (best?) they'll pick is 29th. Can anyone confirm this, or am I dreaming?

A team can only drop one spot and only move up four spots, which is why it is called the Dive For Five. You have to be in bottom five to have a chance at the first pick.

One team wins the lottery. They pick one ball out of the 14 teams. If team six wins then they move to the 2nd pick. The team that had the 2nd pick drops to three, 3rd pick would go to 4th, 4th to 5th and 5th would drop to 6th. Seven to 14 would remain the same.

The lowest ranked team to ever win the lottery was Chicago, they went in ranked 8th, won and moved up to 4th in 1999.

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#54 Bucknuck
January 08 2010, 10:47AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

EXACTLY! We have probably one of the highest paid coaching staffs & the lowest guy on the totem pole is drawing the plays. Not that he is the guy responsible for us losing games, but it is kind of puzzling.

Just because Buchberger is communicating the plays to the players does not necessarily mean he is the one who is drawing them up. They could collaborate on possible plays and Quinn communicates which one he wants to use and Buchberger communicates it. Edit* I replied before I saw Gregors post... Fleming is the one then. I really don't think the "plan" or the X's and O's are the problem. I thnik it is the players execution.

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#55 Rigger
January 08 2010, 10:51AM
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@David S

I said this in the GDT but I agree. It's so frustrating to me. I just don't get the reason for switching them. I would like to see Brule back with Penner too, but Nilsson hasn't been terrible with them. Just get Horc outta there. Pisani score a sweet goal, and I was happy for him. Gagner's goal was pretty damn sweet too.

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#56 Rigger
January 08 2010, 10:52AM
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Fiveandagame wrote:

Ethan Moreau is not Captain, he's Captain excuses.

He blames the young goaltenders for their troubles saying they have to score 5-6 goals a game to win.

He's a joke.

Pathetic. He has not one clue what it means to be a captain.

Maybe I will excuse it cause he's frustrated but this guy has had excuses all season. "it's only preseason" " its injuries" "A couple bad bounces"

Man up Moreau. Man up.

Who would go to war with a man who may turn around and point a finger at them publicly?

I hope he's on the first bus out.

Ethan Moreau never ceases to digust me on new levels. I can't even stand looking at the guy sometimes. You can see the sh*t attitude all over his face. When Quinn talks about the players not getting the system, or not wanting to get it, his face immediately comes to mind.

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#57 OILIERSORDEATH
January 08 2010, 10:53AM
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Crash wrote:

You aren't dreaming...you are correct. If the Oilers finished dead last the worst they could do is fall one spot to number 2..

@ CRASH

Good to know! thanks for clearing that up.

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#58 BUCK75
January 08 2010, 10:53AM
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@Giggsunited

Some how I don't think they are too worried about apathy if they are trying to build a new rink. Demand is there - I would imagine they would just make more mini packs or season tickets available if apathy started setting in amongst the fans.

As much as I want to see them rebuild I would be nuts to give up my seats. Last season it was getting difficult to find people to go to the games, probably will again this year.

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#59 Dyckster
January 08 2010, 10:54AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I believe one of the Lotto "rules" is a team can far no further than 1 spot in the draft. I.E. if the Oiler's finish 30th overall the worst (best?) they'll pick is 29th. Can anyone confirm this, or am I dreaming?

A team can only drop one spot and only move up four spots, which is why it is called the Dive For Five. You have to be in bottom five to have a chance at the first pick.

One team wins the lottery. They pick one ball out of the 14 teams. If team six wins then they move to the 2nd pick. The team that had the 2nd pick drops to three, 3rd pick would go to 4th, 4th to 5th and 5th would drop to 6th. Seven to 14 would remain the same.

The lowest ranked team to ever win the lottery was Chicago, they went in ranked 8th, won and moved up to 4th in 1999.

Makes sense, thanks Jason.

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#60 BUCK75
January 08 2010, 10:57AM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Just because Buchberger is communicating the plays to the players does not necessarily mean he is the one who is drawing them up. They could collaborate on possible plays and Quinn communicates which one he wants to use and Buchberger communicates it. Edit* I replied before I saw Gregors post... Fleming is the one then. I really don't think the "plan" or the X's and O's are the problem. I thnik it is the players execution.

Nobody is blaming Bucky - it's just strange to see as nobody would assume he was a 'x & o' kind of guy.

Gregor cleared it up & now I don't care if they get Ken Lowe to scribble the play on the white board if Flemming is the one communicating the play.

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#61 Chris.
January 08 2010, 10:57AM
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@BUCK75

I wonder if Kelly needs to relay the plays because all Quinn wants to do anymore is strangle the life out of every single player on that bench...

"You guys are soooo stupid! How did you EVER make the National League playing such DUMB hockey!..!.. F%ck each and every one of you for tarnishing my once proud coaching record! C'mere Sully... If you miss the net short-side ONE MORE TIME I'll murder your whole family except your DAD!"

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#62 Rigger
January 08 2010, 10:58AM
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@freeze

*bangs head on desk* UGH! Dude, grow some balls.

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#63 Rigger
January 08 2010, 11:01AM
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Rigger wrote:

*bangs head on desk* UGH! Dude, grow some balls.

Sorry Freeze, that was in response to Tambi's quote, just to clarify. Don't know why that quote didn't show up.

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#64 Chaz
January 08 2010, 11:04AM
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On a positive note, ~that was one hell of a tip by POS last night!~

Reminds me of when Don Cherry rants about guys getting in the way of shots. Either block it or get out of the way and let your goalie see it Man! Don't wave your stick at it like you're the Great Gazoo! Dum Dum!!

* Returns to reminiscing his favorite Flintstone characters.

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#65 mowgli
January 08 2010, 11:10AM
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Winning Strategies for last place

I would put DD in net PLAY players like Strudwick,Moreau,Staios,Stortini and Horcoff as much as i can.

With my main guys picked, i would put cogs with to of them (Stortini,Moreau). With the D-lines i would make sure i don't put Staios,Strudwick together, so they came mess up 2of3 D-lines.

But on the PP Staios and Strudwick make a great pair, also have Horcoff running around.

Penner played good with Brule so keep them apart.

Tell Stone and JFJ to play hockey and stop hitting.

I'm a fan and it would be nice to play well and lose the game but common one or the other. So have some beer and hope to see highlight reel goals. Fall for Hall

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#66 Rick
January 08 2010, 11:11AM
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Rigger wrote:

Sorry Freeze, that was in response to Tambi's quote, just to clarify. Don't know why that quote didn't show up.

No kidding. What does that even mean? He doesn't want to offend players that clearly aren't committed to winning, systems and effort to start with?

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#67 Archaeologuy
January 08 2010, 11:16AM
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Every time Horc mis-handled the puck last night I started my own "SEVEN MILLION" chant in the basement of my house.

The GF was not impressed.

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#68 Rigger
January 08 2010, 11:16AM
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Rick wrote:

No kidding. What does that even mean? He doesn't want to offend players that clearly aren't committed to winning, systems and effort to start with?

I know. Note to Tambi: maybe it's time you DO say something to your players about sh*tting the bed. Might wake them up if they know their jobs are on the line. I think that's why they played more physical in the first few games, we still weren't sure who was staying and who wasn't after camp.

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#69 dragon
January 08 2010, 11:17AM
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Chaz wrote:

On a positive note, ~that was one hell of a tip by POS last night!~

Reminds me of when Don Cherry rants about guys getting in the way of shots. Either block it or get out of the way and let your goalie see it Man! Don't wave your stick at it like you're the Great Gazoo! Dum Dum!!

* Returns to reminiscing his favorite Flintstone characters.

Patty just being himself...careless.

I also can't remember anybody else on this team shooting the puck into nothingness as much as he does.

Quinn, Remmey, Flemming, Bucky, anybody, talk to this guy about the notion of passing.

Is he gonna be different next year when we 're-build'?

I thought I'd seen him as a first DFF Star of the game. JW is right Staios was one inch 'better'...

Look fwd to trade deadline.

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#70 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 08 2010, 11:19AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Every time Horc mis-handled the puck last night I started my own "SEVEN MILLION" chant in the basement of my house.

The GF was not impressed.

You mean your parents basement, don't you?

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#71 Archaeologuy
January 08 2010, 11:30AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You mean your parents basement, don't you?

I would love if my parents assumed my mortgage!

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#72 Giggsunited
January 08 2010, 11:35AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Some how I don't think they are too worried about apathy if they are trying to build a new rink. Demand is there - I would imagine they would just make more mini packs or season tickets available if apathy started setting in amongst the fans.

As much as I want to see them rebuild I would be nuts to give up my seats. Last season it was getting difficult to find people to go to the games, probably will again this year.

Just to point out that I want them to sell out, and I think they will because we are the best fans in the NHL IMO.

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#73 dragon
January 08 2010, 11:38AM
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unrelated:

Niemi - 11/2/1 - undrafted, picked up by CHI in Finland.

I do hope Stu shakes up our scouting...

We used 2 first-rounders on young goalies, others pick them up for free.

That's where organization shake-up is required if you want to hope for a sustainable performance...

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#74 Bucknuck
January 08 2010, 11:42AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Every time Horc mis-handled the puck last night I started my own "SEVEN MILLION" chant in the basement of my house.

The GF was not impressed.

I wonder what is going on with him? He was never this bad, and the year before he got his contract (and two years before that) he really did look like a first line centre.

I hope he turns it around.

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#75 Shannon
January 08 2010, 11:47AM
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@Archaeologuy

You had a few supporters at the game last night.

It was as high on the annoying scale for me as the lone dude trying to start the Oilers chant for about 10 minutes (don't get me wrong - I love the chant, but at appropriate places. Not during commercial breaks, for instance).

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#76 dunciano
January 08 2010, 11:59AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

i dont normally like to rag on one guy, but did i honestly see horcoff miss guys by 4 or 5 FEET with passes?

the one he passed behind nilsson from about 20 feet away was comical. i even hit rewind on the PVR to watch it over and over.

it is like watching a car crash now. you know it is going to be ugly, but you watch anyways

That was unbelievable!

That was bad shinny hockey!

Something has to be wrong - he must have NO confidence or that shoulder is bad.

He maybe should take next year off - put him on LTIR and let him heal up.

He's been dealing with this bum shoulder for what 3 seasons now?! C'mon! Get it friggin' fixed already!

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#77 GLoKz0r
January 08 2010, 12:01PM
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Well, I think this is as good a time as any to ask where all the people are who were calling for a Hemsky trade after our miraculous five game winning streak?

I mean, there must have been a half dozen people all sitting there patting each other on the back for their clarity of vision! Hemsky was the problem all along! All we have to do is pawn him off on some other poor sap team for spare parts and some paper to draw our Parade Route on!

Where are you now? THIS is the Edmonton Oilers without Ales Hemsky folks. Say what you will about his enigmatic ability to disappear for games at a time, the guy is a HUGE piece on this team. He Quarterbacks our Power Play, is a constant threat offensively, and you never know when he's going to have a game where he picks the team up and puts it on his back.

Of course, I'm not saying we're a playoff team even with him. This is just a shout out to all the folks who were so quick to point out how awesome we were doing without him. Yeah... what's it, 1 win in the last 12 now?

....I miss you Hemmer :(

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#78 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 08 2010, 12:03PM
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dunciano wrote:

That was unbelievable!

That was bad shinny hockey!

Something has to be wrong - he must have NO confidence or that shoulder is bad.

He maybe should take next year off - put him on LTIR and let him heal up.

He's been dealing with this bum shoulder for what 3 seasons now?! C'mon! Get it friggin' fixed already!

Didn't he have surgery right after the all-star game a couple years back? Wasn't that supposed to 'fix' it?

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#79 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 08 2010, 12:04PM
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GLoKz0r wrote:

Well, I think this is as good a time as any to ask where all the people are who were calling for a Hemsky trade after our miraculous five game winning streak?

I mean, there must have been a half dozen people all sitting there patting each other on the back for their clarity of vision! Hemsky was the problem all along! All we have to do is pawn him off on some other poor sap team for spare parts and some paper to draw our Parade Route on!

Where are you now? THIS is the Edmonton Oilers without Ales Hemsky folks. Say what you will about his enigmatic ability to disappear for games at a time, the guy is a HUGE piece on this team. He Quarterbacks our Power Play, is a constant threat offensively, and you never know when he's going to have a game where he picks the team up and puts it on his back.

Of course, I'm not saying we're a playoff team even with him. This is just a shout out to all the folks who were so quick to point out how awesome we were doing without him. Yeah... what's it, 1 win in the last 12 now?

....I miss you Hemmer :(

The best was the people that thought the PP was better without him.

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#80 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 08 2010, 12:06PM
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GLoKz0r wrote:

Well, I think this is as good a time as any to ask where all the people are who were calling for a Hemsky trade after our miraculous five game winning streak?

I mean, there must have been a half dozen people all sitting there patting each other on the back for their clarity of vision! Hemsky was the problem all along! All we have to do is pawn him off on some other poor sap team for spare parts and some paper to draw our Parade Route on!

Where are you now? THIS is the Edmonton Oilers without Ales Hemsky folks. Say what you will about his enigmatic ability to disappear for games at a time, the guy is a HUGE piece on this team. He Quarterbacks our Power Play, is a constant threat offensively, and you never know when he's going to have a game where he picks the team up and puts it on his back.

Of course, I'm not saying we're a playoff team even with him. This is just a shout out to all the folks who were so quick to point out how awesome we were doing without him. Yeah... what's it, 1 win in the last 12 now?

....I miss you Hemmer :(

See, I don't know. Weren't these people looking for a Hemsky trade to improve the team (ie good return?). The fact that the Oilers are terrible without him doesn't mean that he shouldn't be traded.

Bear in mind I don't think the Oil should trade Hemsky. Someone could potentially still argue that he should be traded, though.

Edit: The line of reasoning goes like this:

The team is worse-off without Steve Staios, as evidenced by their play without him. Should we hang onto Steve Staios at all costs?

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#81 GLoKz0r
January 08 2010, 12:12PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

Yes, that was hyperbole on my part. They weren't actually saying to trade him for spare parts. HOWEVER, to a man they were all pointing out how good the team looked without him, and it served as their selling point for WHY he should be traded.

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#82 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 08 2010, 12:15PM
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@GLoKz0r

That's fair. As Willis says, there shouldn't be any 'untrade-ables' on this team right now.

The bit about how good this team is without him is a crock of sh!t, as is quite obvious. I do know, though, that I liked what I saw on the PP those couple games he was out with concussion. If they could have gotten Hemsky involved in the quick puck movement (ie no more circling at the half wall for the first 45 seconds of a power play), it would have been deadly.

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#83 WT
January 08 2010, 12:16PM
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TW at game last night, section 207 row 27 seat 7. Seems our captain is better at negoitating a bill rather than a pass Seems to TW the players should of had a pre game shooter to get everyone going. Seems to TW Oil can't win when they can't score. Seems to TW #5 is gutting it out night after night Seems to TW common sense would say to put #10 on waivers and put him in the minors. It will free up cap space for next year. Maybe #10 will get the message and either start to play or repair what is ever wrong with him Seems to TW Brule is gutting it out night after night Seems to TW #13 can't think at the NHL level. Lots of speed maybe Canadian Olympic speed skating team Seems to TW fans have had enough but does KLOWE really care Seems to TW that owner should stand up and make a statement Seems to TW #27 needs a break, he looks tired Seems to TW #89 should of stayed in junior, what is he doing out there Seems to TW if Oil can't reduce price of tickets as they are already paid for, they should give all fans a break on food and beverage. $4 Rexall water is a bit much Seems to TW #44 must still have a headache as he is half the player he used to be Seems to TW #24 is gutting it night in night out Seems to TW #37 and #77 drinking too much Seems to TW #34 is a nice return

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#84 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 08 2010, 12:19PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

See, I don't know. Weren't these people looking for a Hemsky trade to improve the team (ie good return?). The fact that the Oilers are terrible without him doesn't mean that he shouldn't be traded.

Bear in mind I don't think the Oil should trade Hemsky. Someone could potentially still argue that he should be traded, though.

Edit: The line of reasoning goes like this:

The team is worse-off without Steve Staios, as evidenced by their play without him. Should we hang onto Steve Staios at all costs?

I wouldn't oppose trading Hemmer either, but would certainly need a proven offensive guy coming back, either from that deal or a coresponding one.

The team was actually scoring at a competitve clip with Hemsky in the line-up. It's all but died off now.

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#85 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 08 2010, 12:21PM
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@WT

Who's TW?

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#86 GLoKz0r
January 08 2010, 12:22PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

No, of course not. Every player is trade-able for the right price. And if Tambi gets a good offer, by all means pull the trigger. But on the flip side, he's definitely not one of the players I'd be shopping around for the purposes of a rebuild. He's one of the few positives on this team. (Hell, I'd go so far as saying that even sitting in the press box he's doing more for this team than our beloved Captain...)

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#87 dunciano
January 08 2010, 12:31PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Didn't he have surgery right after the all-star game a couple years back? Wasn't that supposed to 'fix' it?

Yeah he did and it was supposed to.

Obviously hasn't worked as he injures the same shoulder every year.

All whining aside - seriously, we can't have that. Too much % of team cap hit invested in that shoulder.

Do we put him out to pasture??

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#88 Crash
January 08 2010, 12:46PM
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GLoKz0r wrote:

Well, I think this is as good a time as any to ask where all the people are who were calling for a Hemsky trade after our miraculous five game winning streak?

I mean, there must have been a half dozen people all sitting there patting each other on the back for their clarity of vision! Hemsky was the problem all along! All we have to do is pawn him off on some other poor sap team for spare parts and some paper to draw our Parade Route on!

Where are you now? THIS is the Edmonton Oilers without Ales Hemsky folks. Say what you will about his enigmatic ability to disappear for games at a time, the guy is a HUGE piece on this team. He Quarterbacks our Power Play, is a constant threat offensively, and you never know when he's going to have a game where he picks the team up and puts it on his back.

Of course, I'm not saying we're a playoff team even with him. This is just a shout out to all the folks who were so quick to point out how awesome we were doing without him. Yeah... what's it, 1 win in the last 12 now?

....I miss you Hemmer :(

Totally agree....build a strong team and make Hemsky part of it..

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#89 Crash
January 08 2010, 12:48PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I believe one of the Lotto "rules" is a team can far no further than 1 spot in the draft. I.E. if the Oiler's finish 30th overall the worst (best?) they'll pick is 29th. Can anyone confirm this, or am I dreaming?

A team can only drop one spot and only move up four spots, which is why it is called the Dive For Five. You have to be in bottom five to have a chance at the first pick.

One team wins the lottery. They pick one ball out of the 14 teams. If team six wins then they move to the 2nd pick. The team that had the 2nd pick drops to three, 3rd pick would go to 4th, 4th to 5th and 5th would drop to 6th. Seven to 14 would remain the same.

The lowest ranked team to ever win the lottery was Chicago, they went in ranked 8th, won and moved up to 4th in 1999.

Figures Chicago went from 8th to 4th, didn't they also go from 5th to 1st to get Kane?

Talk about your preverbial horseshoe...

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#90 Crash
January 08 2010, 12:53PM
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dunciano wrote:

Yeah he did and it was supposed to.

Obviously hasn't worked as he injures the same shoulder every year.

All whining aside - seriously, we can't have that. Too much % of team cap hit invested in that shoulder.

Do we put him out to pasture??

Just my opinion but if we can't trade the contract we use him in a shutdown role...no more key offensive minutes, no more 1st line, no more 1st line PP. Make him the checking center on the 3rd line. Kill penalties, win d-zone faceoffs and just stay even on the ice.

There's no point in ocmplaining about the contract now...just suck it up and stop trying to make Horcoff a top line player.

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#91 Racki
January 08 2010, 01:44PM
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Was happy to see Pisani have a good game yesterday. That was about the only highlight for me.. I was at the game. People behind me were heckling Pisani and Horcoff a lot and it was good to see Pisani score.

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January 08 2010, 01:48PM
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Crash wrote:

Figures Chicago went from 8th to 4th, didn't they also go from 5th to 1st to get Kane?

Talk about your preverbial horseshoe...

Yes they did.

This was the year the Oilers crapped the bed for the last part of the season right up until the final game (vs. Calgary) where they decided to climb out of 5th last (where a win on the lottery would get them Kane) and into 6th last.

I mean, chances are they wouldn't have won the draft lottery, but it stunk seeing the 5th last team win it, when we WERE in 5th last up until the final game.

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#93 MattL
January 08 2010, 01:51PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Every time Horc mis-handled the puck last night I started my own "SEVEN MILLION" chant in the basement of my house.

The GF was not impressed.

Probably because she knows it's 5.5 million.

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#94 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 08 2010, 01:57PM
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MattL wrote:

Probably because she knows it's 5.5 million.

Ha-ha

Classic!

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#95 dragon
January 08 2010, 01:59PM
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Crash wrote:

Totally agree....build a strong team and make Hemsky part of it..

now, now, here I am...

see, I don't really have a problem with Hemmer: the 4/5 mil RW that can dangle, scores average for his salary, and coughs up the puck once in a while - 'cause he's an artist.

but, pleeease, don't start with the chant again: 'let's build a team around the Hemmer'.

am I so mistaken or others have tried that before?

yes, Hemmer is missed, but Hemmer is not un-tradeable, he's not a franchise player.

if we all put up with this stinky season just to draft Hall to play with Hemmer, God help this club...

Hemmer, get well soon and come chip in your almost ppg. please leave your star status at home and help (not lead) build a better team.

there...

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#96 billmad
January 08 2010, 02:03PM
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Let's not forget, anyone one this team is tradable, including Hemmer. Obviously, there are a few guys that should be dealt with first but I'll take any trade if it improves the team while focusing on the 'plan'... which I'm afraid the Oil haven't yet figured out. DFF or Drive for Nine?!

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#97 David S
January 08 2010, 02:07PM
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WT wrote:

TW at game last night, section 207 row 27 seat 7. Seems our captain is better at negoitating a bill rather than a pass Seems to TW the players should of had a pre game shooter to get everyone going. Seems to TW Oil can't win when they can't score. Seems to TW #5 is gutting it out night after night Seems to TW common sense would say to put #10 on waivers and put him in the minors. It will free up cap space for next year. Maybe #10 will get the message and either start to play or repair what is ever wrong with him Seems to TW Brule is gutting it out night after night Seems to TW #13 can't think at the NHL level. Lots of speed maybe Canadian Olympic speed skating team Seems to TW fans have had enough but does KLOWE really care Seems to TW that owner should stand up and make a statement Seems to TW #27 needs a break, he looks tired Seems to TW #89 should of stayed in junior, what is he doing out there Seems to TW if Oil can't reduce price of tickets as they are already paid for, they should give all fans a break on food and beverage. $4 Rexall water is a bit much Seems to TW #44 must still have a headache as he is half the player he used to be Seems to TW #24 is gutting it night in night out Seems to TW #37 and #77 drinking too much Seems to TW #34 is a nice return

That's alot of gutting there sparky.

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#98 Chaz
January 08 2010, 02:10PM
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MattL wrote:

Probably because she knows it's 5.5 million.

You mean his cap hit is 5.5 Million. His salary is 7 Million this year, and then 6.5 for the next two years before dropping after that.

I've seen a lot of people make the argument that the only thing people should worry about is his cap hit, but I disagree. It's his salary that makes him untradeable at this point in time. What owner, even one with a team that has 5.5 Million in cap space, would pay this guy 7 Mill, then 6.5 for the next two years? When owners pay that much for a player they're expecting a difference maker, someone who will fill empty seats in their arenas. Horcs is not that guy and therefore I think his salary does matter. We are stuck with him. Even if his salary was actually only 5.5 we would have trouble dealing him, but the fact it's 7/6.5/6.5, means we're stuck with him for at least three years.

Hopefully he is just hurt or having an off year, but if he falls back any further, the criticism's are only going to get worse.

I like Horcs, but I honestly think it may be the worst contract in the NHL.

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January 08 2010, 02:15PM
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Chaz wrote:

You mean his cap hit is 5.5 Million. His salary is 7 Million this year, and then 6.5 for the next two years before dropping after that.

I've seen a lot of people make the argument that the only thing people should worry about is his cap hit, but I disagree. It's his salary that makes him untradeable at this point in time. What owner, even one with a team that has 5.5 Million in cap space, would pay this guy 7 Mill, then 6.5 for the next two years? When owners pay that much for a player they're expecting a difference maker, someone who will fill empty seats in their arenas. Horcs is not that guy and therefore I think his salary does matter. We are stuck with him. Even if his salary was actually only 5.5 we would have trouble dealing him, but the fact it's 7/6.5/6.5, means we're stuck with him for at least three years.

Hopefully he is just hurt or having an off year, but if he falls back any further, the criticism's are only going to get worse.

I like Horcs, but I honestly think it may be the worst contract in the NHL.

Check Chris Drury. worse production for 2 million more.

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