Souray willing to waive goodbye

Robin Brownlee
January 08 2010 06:23PM

Sheldon Souray proved he's quick with a quip on two occasions at Rexall Place today, breaking up the drool-inducing monotony of watching the first day of the Edmonton Oilers "mini-camp."

The first gem came just before weary, sweat-soaked players filed off the ice after two sessions of skating, early morning off-ice training and video tape sessions -- none of which will ever be mistaken for the team golf junket to California coach Pat Quinn pulled the plug on this week.

Smirked Souray: "So, for sure we're not going to Palm Springs?" Good for a hearty laugh by teammates. And, no, after 11 losses in their last 12 games, the Oilers won't be getting near Palm Springs, at least not until April 12.

The second came after Souray spent several minutes talking to Dan Barnes of The Journal, Rob Tychkowski of The Sun and yours truly, discussing where he stands on the possibility of being traded -- his name has been the subject of trade speculation, much of it far-fetched, since late last season.

After making it clear he hasn't asked the Oilers for a trade but would be open to waiving his no-trade clause if a deal made sense for the team and for him, the big defenceman joked about what might show up in print: "Souray asks to be traded," he smiled. "That would be me," I responded. "I know," he said.

HE DIDN'T SAY THAT

Souray said no such thing. Neither will I.

There's a big difference between Souray and his agent making it known he'd be willing to waive his NTC, which runs out July 1, if GM Steve Tambellini can work a deal that benefits the team and works for him and asking for a trade.

The "Souray wants out" talk made the rounds at the end of last season, and it was a bad scoop I framed as a rumour and passed along at the time. Some fans accused me of doing sort of an Eklund imitation. Most readers here appreciated my take on the scuttlebutt.

In any case, Souray's name remains grist for the rumour mill, and he chatted at considerable length today, offering his take.

“I wouldn’t at this point hold them back from doing anything that makes the team better," he said. "I came here with a goal.

"You hope to try to see it out. With where we are right now, it’s tough to say in the next three years if we’re going to see that. If it does come to the point where they ask me (to waive the NTC) I would not hold the team back.”

Nowhere in there does Souray say he wants out. Nowhere in there does he say the Oilers have indicated they want to move him. Of course, with two more years after this season remaining on a contract that makes Souray a $5.4-million cap hit and the Oilers facing a full-on rebuild, it doesn't take a vast intellect to see a conversation about the latter might take place.

TOUGH TIMES

From where I sit, what makes sense for the Oilers is to move Souray and free up cap space so Tambellini has room to move when it comes to revamping his roster. Of course, that's more easily said than done.

What makes sense for Souray, if it comes to a request that he waive his NTC, is a team that takes him no farther away from his two daughters, who live in California with his ex-wife.

When the always-available Souray left Rexall Place after team photos last season without talking to reporters, I wondered if there was credence to talk he wanted out. Souray later denied that was the case. Fair enough, after all, last season was frustrating for everybody with the organization. I'm guessing the sacking of Craig MacTavish eased some of that.

As for talk of discontent this season, Souray insisted today any consternation on his part stems from lack of success on the ice, not a desire to leave the Oilers.

"This year, pick any spot you want, it's been a disaster," Souray said. "It's hard to look down the road because things change, you know, in this game real quick.

"But, things have to start changing at some point. You have to start seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. I think that's the position we're in as a team right now. Right now, we're having trouble grabbing on to that light at the end of the tunnel, you know what I mean?"

LOOKING AHEAD

Given how his first season here was cut short by injury before the personal success of last season, his time in Edmonton has been something of a roller-coaster ride for Souray, who has two years remaining on his deal.

"We've got a good group of guys," he said. "We're playing absolutely dreadful hockey here at home and fans are still showing up and still showing their support.

"You can play great and be in a place like Phoenix and not have any fans, so the grass isn't always greener, you know?"

Why not take what Souray says at face value? If he didn't want to be here, he wouldn't have signed on for five years, even taking into account that the Oilers were happily willing to overpay to get him. Is he happy now? No, of course not.

"Right now, it's frustrating," he said. "Am I frustrated and disappointed? Absolutely. I'm one of the guys, that if there's some finger-pointing to go around, I've got to point the finger at myself and say, 'Hey, look. I can play better.'

"It's tough. It's taxing because you take it home with you. You want to be one of those guys who is counted on. You want to be the guy to step up and go, 'Look, man,' and put the team on your back and try to carry them a little bit. We haven't been able to do that."

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#101 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 12:08AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Alright. Sorry for sniveling. I didn't realize you were kidding. I guess using the word educated guess in your case was wrong of me, and I didn't mean to suggest you were guessing (although I clearly stated that). The possibilites you mention make sense and I could come up with that on my own (not a strong feat considering anyone with half-a-brain could figure it out). Which says a lot about those suggestions that they "should trade Souray to Boston for the Leafs 1st round pick". Half-a-brain? Not likely.

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#102 Archaeologuy
January 10 2010, 12:11AM
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@RossCreekNation

That brain scientist/rocket surgeon thing really made an impression huh? I like them too.

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#103 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 12:16AM
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@Archaeologuy

Was that here that I read that? Or where? And who? It wasn't you, was it?

~Because I've never butchered a saying~

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#104 Archaeologuy
January 10 2010, 12:30AM
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@RossCreekNation

I use it all the time, and i definitely recall you or chris commenting on it after i used that line a long time ago.

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#105 Eddie Shore
January 10 2010, 12:49AM
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That brawl looked like it was ridiculous. Was that Karri Ramo I spotted?

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#106 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 01:06AM
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@Archaeologuy

Lol. It IS an epic saying if intentional, but an epic fail when unintentional. I may have been the one who commented (read: carved you) in the past (thinking it was unintentional).

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#107 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 01:25AM
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#108 Heavyd
January 10 2010, 07:32AM
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Man that was funny. The refs are just standing there letting players get pounded on, while laying on the ice. And the 4 goalies just standing there chatting.

I still say that that isn't as good as a NHL, brawl.

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#109 Archaeologuy
January 10 2010, 10:43AM
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@RossCreekNation

Always intentional

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#110 Eddie Shore
January 10 2010, 11:45AM
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Elliot Freidman reported on the CBC Hotstove last night that Tambellini told him that he is going to use the next 18 games, until to the Olympic break, to find out who wants to be here and who doesn't and that this will be the "big evaluation stage to determine our long-term future". Interesting.

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#111 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 11:56AM
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By-the-by... I walked into the Sports Closet in the Sherwood Park mall yesterday, and what did I see?

OILERSNATION T-SHIRTS

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#112 Reagan
January 10 2010, 11:58AM
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Now, the Edmonton / Boston rumours have now started. Oh, boy if this is the case the One of three draft choices better be involved!

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#113 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 10 2010, 12:00PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Elliot Freidman reported on the CBC Hotstove last night that Tambellini told him that he is going to use the next 18 games, until to the Olympic break, to find out who wants to be here and who doesn't and that this will be the "big evaluation stage to determine our long-term future". Interesting.

is it really interesting though?

nobody is going to offer anything of value for a bunch of overpaid, underperforming stiffs right now. add that to the fact there are next to no trades at this time of the year, and you get tambo saying they will wait.

if they are still evaluating this mess, tambo needs to be canned. everyone with half a brain, and even rosscreek(:p) could see last year what was happening. nothing was addressed over the summer, and here we are again.

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#114 Eddie Shore
January 10 2010, 12:06PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

is it really interesting though?

nobody is going to offer anything of value for a bunch of overpaid, underperforming stiffs right now. add that to the fact there are next to no trades at this time of the year, and you get tambo saying they will wait.

if they are still evaluating this mess, tambo needs to be canned. everyone with half a brain, and even rosscreek(:p) could see last year what was happening. nothing was addressed over the summer, and here we are again.

Exactly what I meant.

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#115 David S
January 10 2010, 12:26PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

By-the-by... I walked into the Sports Closet in the Sherwood Park mall yesterday, and what did I see?

OILERSNATION T-SHIRTS

Now I could be wrong, but shouldn't this be news??? Guys on here have been asking for months about this.

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#116 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 12:37PM
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David S wrote:

Now I could be wrong, but shouldn't this be news??? Guys on here have been asking for months about this.

Ya, thats why I posted it, but I couldn't remember who all asked - rubbertrout and/or ronaldo for sure, but who else?

There were 3 different shirts. 1 was alright, 1 not so much, and the other I forget already. Perhaps they were old stock and they're working on new and improved shirts (Like Master P, I got the hook-up if they're looking for a distributor)

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#117 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 12:59PM
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I know its news on a former Flames prospect and all, but Jean Lefebvre has a great piece on Daniel Ryder after he allegedly robbed a convenience store in his hometown after his career seemingly went off the rails. Check it out. http://flamesnation.ca/2010/1/9/uneasy-ryder

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#118 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 10 2010, 01:02PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

I know its news on a former Flames prospect and all, but Jean Lefebvre has a great piece on Daniel Ryder after he allegedly robbed a convenience store in his hometown after his career seemingly went off the rails. Check it out. http://flamesnation.ca/2010/1/9/uneasy-ryder

you mean his career went down in flames???

*** high fives gene principe ***

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#119 Rob
January 10 2010, 01:03PM
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Anyone got Oiler tickets? How much will you PAY ME to take them??

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#120 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 01:06PM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

LOL. Good1. And I saw your little "potshot" at me earlier ;-) I still have at least 67% of my brain.

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#121 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 10 2010, 01:08PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

LOL. Good1. And I saw your little "potshot" at me earlier ;-) I still have at least 67% of my brain.

you didnt enjoy your teenage years nearly enough then

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#122 RossCreekNation
January 10 2010, 01:11PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

you didnt enjoy your teenage years nearly enough then

You're probably right. I was too busy thinking I was going to the NHL. The dream died at 20 and thats when the brain cells started to dwindle. Coincidence?

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#123 Dr_oil
January 10 2010, 01:17PM
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Reagan wrote:

Now, the Edmonton / Boston rumours have now started. Oh, boy if this is the case the One of three draft choices better be involved!

What is that rumour???? Where did you see it?

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#124 Rob
January 10 2010, 01:19PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I said it and said it and said it last season more times than a nagging wife -- the guy to move was Gilbert. That's not hindsight. He was as good as he's ever going to get on the way to those 45 points -- I drew scorn from the numbers nerds by pointing out his ridiculously high number of second assists -- and you could have got something for him.

Now? A big player who plays soft and is on his way to, what, a 25-point season with a $4-million cap hit? Can't move that, at least not for anything of value.

Gilbert has bounced back recently by riding on Souray's coattails. If he keeps it up to the point where somebody inquiries about him, I'd unload him pronto.

R.B. - What do you think of American University players generally? Tom Gilbert played twice each weekend on a fairly short schedule. The point was made here some time ago that the players don't play an intense physical game versus the WHL style of play. Riley Nash doesn't act like a player who is ready for the pro game. Is he another soft product of the American college system who isn't wired to help the Oil in the future?

I've seen Prendergast's interviews but quite frankly he seems like he is trying spin his draft decisions into players with great potential but it sounds more like he's just pleading his case.

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#125 Shapeman
January 10 2010, 02:03PM
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hey is it just me or why does Flames nation seem absolutely empty compared to Oilersnation?

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#126 OilFan
January 10 2010, 02:07PM
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***PUKE*** You go to Flames Nation ?

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#127 Shapeman
January 10 2010, 02:15PM
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OilFan wrote:

***PUKE*** You go to Flames Nation ?

the few times someone in the comments links it like this time and the KHL brawl

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#128 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 02:29PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Why are you speaking in absolutes? Is it likely, based on the norm, that Souray is on the downside of his career? Probably. Is it a certainty? No.

As just one example, Nicklas Lidstrom won the Norris Trophy in 2000-01, when he was 30. He won five more through 2007-08, the final one coming when he was 37. He's the exception to the rule, obviously, but there's nothing written in stone that precludes the possibility Souray could have 3-4 more seasons of peak performance.

Might also want to look at Rob Blake, who is 40. Look at his numbers in seasons from 2001-02, when he was 32, until 2008-09, when he was 39. That's not a bad player, no? Or Chris Chelios, ages 32-36 . . . Sergei Zubov, age 32-36 . . .

You are the one speaking in absolutes here. I said downside, not end.

The guy is what, 33 years old now?

Even if he plays until 40 you could accurately call this the downside of his career based on nothing more than the fact that he broke into the league at 21.

Souray could have 5 more great years, and this would still be the downside of his career.

I can't believe that anyone is seriously disputing that a 33 year old is on the downswing of his career. The amount of time it takes his skills to degrade is irrelevant - it doesn't matter if the slope is gradual or steep, it is still a slope.

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#129 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 02:38PM
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@Racki

First off, feel free not to read past this sentence, because I'd hate for you to read anything that doesn't fall in line with your own opinion.

This is irrelevant and stupid. I actually prefer reading opinions different from mine. I just don't enjoy idiocy.

and Staios are on the downsides of their career (i.e., THATS an example of a player on the downhill).

I see. So you believe that the idea of a "downside" is an all or nothing proposition. I would say those guys are further down the hill on the downside. Why does a player have to have degraded to the point of being a detriment before they can be said to be on the downside? Does a hill not have a slope? Do you need the word slope explained?

... he hit his peak one year ago

This part is my favorite. If he hit his peak last year then he is by definition on the downside. Have you changed your mind or do you simply not know what the word "peak" means?

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#131 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 03:06PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

How am I speaking in absolutes? Actually, I won't pose it as a question because I get the sense you'll keeping responding until I say, "OK, you're right." I'll simply say: my saying "probably" to your suggestion Souray is on the downside is anything but an absolute, but you don't want to focus on that, do you?

Souray could have his five most productive years from the age of 31 and on. That's a fact. I'm not going to start splitting hairs on the definition of "downside" to entertain you.

And anyone who starts a sentence "I can't believe . . ." is either suggesting everyone else is somehow stupid or uniformed or that the person writing the sentence is smarter. Trust me on this much, that's not the case. And cut the I'm-a-genius, "do you need me to explain what a slope is" patronizing BS you tossed at the other poster.

You are speaking in absolutes because you seem to be suggesting that the term downside is all or nothing. Can a downslope not be gradual?

As for your last paragraph...I like you Brownlee. I find you entertaining. That being said, attempting to call out a person by saying they are pretending to some sort of superiority is pure hypocrisy. Every post you write reeks of exactly the attitude you seem to find so distasteful suddenly.

It isn't that I have a problem with your attitude, I enjoy it, but you are the last person who should be trying to call someone else out on it. Besides, I'm guessing you're aware that the phrase "I can't believe" can also be used to imply nothing more than simple incredulity, but you don't want to focus on that, do you?

Edit: Just saw the "patronizing BS" edit you added. Very amusing coming from the patron saint of patronizing BS, or did you actually believe I was unaware of the existence of players like Rob Blake?

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#132 JackBauer
January 10 2010, 03:25PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I agree. And I'll be on the sniff as far as Dallas goes.

The issue with Dallas, from Dallas's point of view, is they are a budget team, not a cap team. They are a team struggling in fianances, and I would be shocked if they would be willing to take on Gilbert's salary.

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#133 Archaeologuy
January 10 2010, 03:38PM
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JackBauer wrote:

The issue with Dallas, from Dallas's point of view, is they are a budget team, not a cap team. They are a team struggling in fianances, and I would be shocked if they would be willing to take on Gilbert's salary.

The fact that they have financial issues is exactly the reason why they have more to lose by missing the playoffs this year. I think they sit in 10th, but are only a few points out of 8th. The extra 1 million invested into someone (Gilbert after the trade deadline) might translate into even more Millions in return for Playoff revenue.

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#135 Lofty
January 10 2010, 04:09PM
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Brownlee,

Ran across this quote from CBC, pertains to a couple posts we made yesterday:

Oilers general manager Steve Tambellini told Friedman on Saturday he hasn't asked Souray or any of the team's other players with a no-trade clause — defenceman Lubomir Visnovsky and forward Shawn Horcoff — if they would be willing to move.

"We have 18 games until the Olympic break," Tambellini told Friedman. "We are going to use this time to find out who wants to be here and who doesn't. This is our big evaluation stage to determine our long-term future."

So I guess he is either lying to the media or I wasnt wrong in assuming that Tambo hasnt been talking to players like Souray. Is that not a complete shame? What has he been doing? Sad, sad, sad...

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#136 Heavyd
January 10 2010, 04:09PM
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Don't lie, you are Gene, only Gene would come up with one like that.

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#137 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 04:24PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

The all-or-nothing argument might work if somebody actually said that, but you can't point out where I said -- or even suggested -- an all-or-nothing scenario.

"I like you, Brownlee. I find you entertaining." Really? F*ck, that means so much to me. Thanks for adding that.

"Pretending to some sort of superiority?" You mean like actually making a living for the last 27 years covering hockey? Like, knowing most of the players, agents, scouts, coaches and GMs around the league and, as a result, having information available to me on that basis? Like being able to pick the brains and exchange information with some pretty sharp reporters around the league? Like interacting with Oilers coaches, players and staff on a daily basis and writing about it? Like being paid to give my opinion? I'm not pretending anything. It is what it is, whether you like it or not.

You carry on.

The all-or-nothing argument might work if somebody actually said that, but you can't point out where I said -- or even suggested -- an all-or-nothing scenario

You may be right here. I probably misunderstood your meaning. I am of the belief that even if the next 5 years are all great he is still in the downswing, you would call it a continuation of his peak. We simply are defining downswing differently, but you don't care about that do you? You just want to go into attack mode and tell me how much better than me you are.

I don't know why you find it so important to be a jerk all the time. I said I like you because I was simply trying to make the point that I'm not arguing with you because of anything personal. Apparently you don't like me. Fine, but what do you have against civility? You can't even take a compliment without swearing at me?

I can't decide if you really don't understand or if you are pretending for the sake or your act.

I was not referring to your knowledge about hockey, your hockey insight, nor your access. I believe you have great insight and it is a big reason why I read this site.

The problem is the way you apparently believe it makes you better than everyone else and automatically invalidates their opinions. I know you don't actually believe that, but you act like you do constantly.

When someone makes a dissenting point you belittle it, regardless of it's validity.

When someone wants to discuss a flaw in your analysis you belittle them, regardless of the size of the flaw.

You regularly state that you have no problem with anyone disagreeing with you, but anytime anyone does disagree you attack them with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

Soooo...I think "pretending to some sort of superiority" is an apt description.

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#138 VK63
January 10 2010, 04:36PM
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@Lofty

He was in Saskatoon telling Duthie how Eberle led the OIlers in scoring chances in the preseason Thats earning his keep.... no?

Why Gilbert may take a bit less cash to go to Dallas

hxxp://stars.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=59829

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#139 Lofty
January 10 2010, 04:42PM
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VK63 wrote:

He was in Saskatoon telling Duthie how Eberle led the OIlers in scoring chances in the preseason Thats earning his keep.... no?

Why Gilbert may take a bit less cash to go to Dallas

hxxp://stars.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=59829

I guess thats earning your keep when you consider the alternative... KLowe throwing out rediculous contracts... He must be going with the 'less is more' theory.

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#141 OilFan
January 10 2010, 05:14PM
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Making a trade including Souray, Cogs and MPS could bring back a very good player ? I would think that Cogs, Patty 0 and Pouliot would all be on the block also.

The Oilers will almost trade anyone on this team. Who is worth keeping ?

Anyone ?

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#142 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 05:16PM
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I think including MPS in anything right now kind of defeats the purpose of a rebuild.

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#144 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 05:52PM
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@Robin Brownlee

You can't do it in the real world, but it would be interesting to compare a Tom Gilbert who went through the WHL system to a Tom Gilbert who went through the US college system in terms of readiness to make the transition to the NHL and in long-term performance.

That would be very interesting. I do wish there was a good way to determine the developmental effects of choosing college over junior.

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#145 Crash
January 10 2010, 06:51PM
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Carolina only 4 back now (not long ago it was 10), same number of games...most teams seem to be pulling away from us, Carolina charging hard...now if the Leafs could win a game or two

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#146 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 08:21PM
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Did I lose a post here, or am I losing my mind? I didn't think #144 was my last comment.

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#147 Woody
January 10 2010, 08:46PM
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Ya, thats why I posted it, but I couldn't remember who all asked - rubbertrout and/or ronaldo for sure, but who else?

THAT WAS ME!!! THAT WAS ME!!!

***runs around house looking for old Xmas list to change title to BDay list and underline, bold and highlight ON T-Shirt***

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#148 Oilfan2010
January 10 2010, 11:02PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Did I lose a post here, or am I losing my mind? I didn't think #144 was my last comment.

Robin is deleting the comments he doesnt like.

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#149 bingofuel
January 10 2010, 11:05PM
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Oilfan2010 wrote:

Robin is deleting the comments he doesnt like.

No I removed the comments. I believe at least one of them to be potentially libelous and therefore in violation of our comments code, so I deleted it.

Back to discussing hockey!

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#150 TigerUnderGlass
January 10 2010, 11:49PM
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@bingofuel

I'm having a hard time seeing how "I wouldn't go that far" is libelous, but it's your site I guess.

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