Souray willing to waive goodbye

Robin Brownlee
January 08 2010 06:23PM

Sheldon Souray proved he's quick with a quip on two occasions at Rexall Place today, breaking up the drool-inducing monotony of watching the first day of the Edmonton Oilers "mini-camp."

The first gem came just before weary, sweat-soaked players filed off the ice after two sessions of skating, early morning off-ice training and video tape sessions -- none of which will ever be mistaken for the team golf junket to California coach Pat Quinn pulled the plug on this week.

Smirked Souray: "So, for sure we're not going to Palm Springs?" Good for a hearty laugh by teammates. And, no, after 11 losses in their last 12 games, the Oilers won't be getting near Palm Springs, at least not until April 12.

The second came after Souray spent several minutes talking to Dan Barnes of The Journal, Rob Tychkowski of The Sun and yours truly, discussing where he stands on the possibility of being traded -- his name has been the subject of trade speculation, much of it far-fetched, since late last season.

After making it clear he hasn't asked the Oilers for a trade but would be open to waiving his no-trade clause if a deal made sense for the team and for him, the big defenceman joked about what might show up in print: "Souray asks to be traded," he smiled. "That would be me," I responded. "I know," he said.

HE DIDN'T SAY THAT

Souray said no such thing. Neither will I.

There's a big difference between Souray and his agent making it known he'd be willing to waive his NTC, which runs out July 1, if GM Steve Tambellini can work a deal that benefits the team and works for him and asking for a trade.

The "Souray wants out" talk made the rounds at the end of last season, and it was a bad scoop I framed as a rumour and passed along at the time. Some fans accused me of doing sort of an Eklund imitation. Most readers here appreciated my take on the scuttlebutt.

In any case, Souray's name remains grist for the rumour mill, and he chatted at considerable length today, offering his take.

“I wouldn’t at this point hold them back from doing anything that makes the team better," he said. "I came here with a goal.

"You hope to try to see it out. With where we are right now, it’s tough to say in the next three years if we’re going to see that. If it does come to the point where they ask me (to waive the NTC) I would not hold the team back.”

Nowhere in there does Souray say he wants out. Nowhere in there does he say the Oilers have indicated they want to move him. Of course, with two more years after this season remaining on a contract that makes Souray a $5.4-million cap hit and the Oilers facing a full-on rebuild, it doesn't take a vast intellect to see a conversation about the latter might take place.

TOUGH TIMES

From where I sit, what makes sense for the Oilers is to move Souray and free up cap space so Tambellini has room to move when it comes to revamping his roster. Of course, that's more easily said than done.

What makes sense for Souray, if it comes to a request that he waive his NTC, is a team that takes him no farther away from his two daughters, who live in California with his ex-wife.

When the always-available Souray left Rexall Place after team photos last season without talking to reporters, I wondered if there was credence to talk he wanted out. Souray later denied that was the case. Fair enough, after all, last season was frustrating for everybody with the organization. I'm guessing the sacking of Craig MacTavish eased some of that.

As for talk of discontent this season, Souray insisted today any consternation on his part stems from lack of success on the ice, not a desire to leave the Oilers.

"This year, pick any spot you want, it's been a disaster," Souray said. "It's hard to look down the road because things change, you know, in this game real quick.

"But, things have to start changing at some point. You have to start seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. I think that's the position we're in as a team right now. Right now, we're having trouble grabbing on to that light at the end of the tunnel, you know what I mean?"

LOOKING AHEAD

Given how his first season here was cut short by injury before the personal success of last season, his time in Edmonton has been something of a roller-coaster ride for Souray, who has two years remaining on his deal.

"We've got a good group of guys," he said. "We're playing absolutely dreadful hockey here at home and fans are still showing up and still showing their support.

"You can play great and be in a place like Phoenix and not have any fans, so the grass isn't always greener, you know?"

Why not take what Souray says at face value? If he didn't want to be here, he wouldn't have signed on for five years, even taking into account that the Oilers were happily willing to overpay to get him. Is he happy now? No, of course not.

"Right now, it's frustrating," he said. "Am I frustrated and disappointed? Absolutely. I'm one of the guys, that if there's some finger-pointing to go around, I've got to point the finger at myself and say, 'Hey, look. I can play better.'

"It's tough. It's taxing because you take it home with you. You want to be one of those guys who is counted on. You want to be the guy to step up and go, 'Look, man,' and put the team on your back and try to carry them a little bit. We haven't been able to do that."

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#1 The Real Scuba Steve
January 08 2010, 06:34PM
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Tambo will probably trade him for draft picks.

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#2 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 08 2010, 06:39PM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

Tambo will probably trade him for draft picks.

what teams can take a 5.4mil cap hit without giving up any salary in return?

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#3 DangerMan
January 08 2010, 06:45PM
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I'd keep him, Visnovsky too, as long as they both want to stay.

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#4 Giggsunited
January 08 2010, 06:48PM
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And sooooooooooo it begins! Round 1 Edmonton........ding, ding, ding!

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#5 Giggsunited
January 08 2010, 06:48PM
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and their off!

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#6 Zamboni Driver
January 08 2010, 06:50PM
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@DangerMan

Uhmm...grossly paid old guys who are helping 'lead' this team into the sewer, tying up a gillion dollars of cap space.

Why exactly?

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#7 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 08 2010, 06:53PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Uhmm...grossly paid old guys who are helping 'lead' this team into the sewer, tying up a gillion dollars of cap space.

Why exactly?

why exactly?

~well, souray is sexy... and vis has a cool sounding name~

that alone is worth 11mil ish in cap space

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#8 DangerMan
January 08 2010, 06:57PM
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@Zamboni Driver

These are players that can produce on the stats sheet. There are plenty of dead weight salaries to look at before we start looking at Souray and Visnovsky. The "grossly overpaid old guys" shouldn't include Souray, because when healthy he can still produce.

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#9 Sandra
January 08 2010, 06:58PM
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If he leaves I guess Moreau will stay as captain, a great leader on and off the ice. Maybe he can negotiate some contracts for Lowe.

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#10 slick_shoes
January 08 2010, 07:00PM
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why dont we give vishnovsky the boot?

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#11 dunciano
January 08 2010, 07:07PM
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"I'm one of the guys, that if there's some finger-pointing to go around, I've got to point the finger at myself and say, 'Hey, look. I can play better."

"You want to be the guy to step up and go, 'Look, man,' and put the team on your back and try to carry them a little bit."

Yes!

Compare that with what Moreau spews out.

Good job Souray!

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#12 Brocktw
January 08 2010, 07:11PM
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My fiance would be pissed;) I would be sad as well, he has been one of my favorite Oilers for his time here. If the oil could get a first for him, would that be close value considering the heavy contract & injury history? Would Boston trade straight up for Torontos first?

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#13 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 08 2010, 07:13PM
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Brocktw wrote:

My fiance would be pissed;) I would be sad as well, he has been one of my favorite Oilers for his time here. If the oil could get a first for him, would that be close value considering the heavy contract & injury history? Would Boston trade straight up for Torontos first?

i would drive souray to the airport if that deal was available

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#14 Milli
January 08 2010, 07:25PM
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I'd hate to see him go, if he does, hope it's a good deal for us.

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#15 Jonathan Willis
January 08 2010, 07:26PM
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Pretty sure Edmonton's closer to California than Boston is.

Also, capgeek.com is everyone's friend.

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#16 The Towel Boy
January 08 2010, 07:33PM
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Brocktw wrote:

My fiance would be pissed;) I would be sad as well, he has been one of my favorite Oilers for his time here. If the oil could get a first for him, would that be close value considering the heavy contract & injury history? Would Boston trade straight up for Torontos first?

That would be unreal. Which is why I doubt it would happen. But man. How sweet would that be.

Dare to dream...

I would hate to see Souray leave. I'd rather he get the C if Moreau were to be traded.

Edit: According to capgeek.com...that deal would never happen as Boston owes money to the NHL Cap Police.

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#17 The Real Scuba Steve
January 08 2010, 07:39PM
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slick_shoes wrote:

why dont we give vishnovsky the boot?

We need to keep a least 1 of our offensive defense men, Vishnovsky is in the top 5 for defense men who can rush the puck.

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#19 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 08 2010, 07:49PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Yes, there's that niggling detail, at least until July 1, when Souray doesn't control the geography any more. Even after that, there's that nagging salary cap thing.

People, before suggesting trades and scribbling out your new Oilers line-up showing where the new guys fit in -- wait, that's another site -- think! Souray doesn't want to be across the continent from his children and there's lots of teams that might want him but can't afford him. Teams that pass the geography AND salary cap test are Los Angeles, Colorado, Dallas and Phoenix. Even then, that doesn't mean there's a match.

there you go again with your "reasonable" ideas, "rational" thoughts and pesky common sense.

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#20 trappie
January 08 2010, 07:50PM
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Souray is definately not someone the Oilers should lose. He & Vishnovsky are two players that produce offensive plays along with defense. There are plenty of other players that they could stand to trade. I'm leaning more towards Moreau, Grebs, or Gilbert. Who knows how long Pisani will be around with his health problems too.

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#21 Muji 狗
January 08 2010, 07:51PM
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Rip the 'C' off Moreau and give it to Souray - he deserves it far more - then try to trade both of them for a combination of picks, prospects, and aging veterans in the last year of their contracts. Do it. Do it now!

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#22 Giggsunited
January 08 2010, 07:53PM
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LA to give Oil their first would be enough for me. Doubt they would do that though.

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#23 JB
January 08 2010, 07:58PM
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I would speculate something like this.

Souray to LA for Matt Greene and a 1st.

AS Robin points out, most teams can't take that salary without giving something back. The Oil clear roughly $2.4 million in cap space, get a top 4 guy they are familiar with, and a 1st round pick.

That cap space is important for the Kings, as they need to acquire a winger to replace Justin Williams as well. I wonder if a bigger deal could be worked out.

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#24 Quintana
January 08 2010, 08:26PM
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Robin, If Tambellini decided to trade Souray for picks....Do you think the Oilers might get a first round pick + a prospect in return? or is that too much?

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#25 Harlie
January 08 2010, 08:33PM
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Anaheim wouldn"t be able to fit Souray in?

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#26 Hemmertime
January 08 2010, 08:40PM
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Maybe he willing to move for shot at cup. Souray for Gonchar in Pitts, throw in prospect or pick. At end of year Gonchar is UFA and off the books, freeing up cap for us, and Pitts has their D man signed

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#27 JackBauer
January 08 2010, 08:57PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Yes, there's that niggling detail, at least until July 1, when Souray doesn't control the geography any more. Even after that, there's that nagging salary cap thing.

People, before suggesting trades and scribbling out your new Oilers line-up showing where the new guys fit in -- wait, that's another site -- think! Souray doesn't want to be across the continent from his children and there's lots of teams that might want him but can't afford him. Teams that pass the geography AND salary cap test are Los Angeles, Colorado, Dallas and Phoenix. Even then, that doesn't mean there's a match.

The problem is, 3 of those 4 teams are definite budget teams, and not cap teams. Sure they have ample space for Souray, but they are in no position to want to pay him. Los Angeles would be exciting for both Sheldon and the Kings. Souray could bring that extra bit that could propell them into the playoffs and well into it given a few breaks.

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#28 quicksilver ballet
January 08 2010, 09:00PM
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Difficult news to swallow....really enjoyed seeing Sheldon play most nights. Oilers may struggle to beat a good AHL team some nights and with Khabby out there's not enough show for the dough we shell out to see these guys most nights.

Souray could have enough curb appeal and help unload another body or two. If i'm Tambellini, i'd go shopping with anyone who has a top 5 pick in the next year or two for him.

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#30 MattL
January 08 2010, 09:48PM
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slick_shoes wrote:

why dont we give vishnovsky the boot?

Good question, Captain Spelling. Maybe because he's a top-tier defender on a reasonable contract with a good attitude and work ethic?

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#31 sOilersSuck
January 08 2010, 10:00PM
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This is a guy the sOilers paid 1million more per season then any other offer out there. He was the last big name guy signed during the free agent frenzy, seemed like "we better offer him lots, so we can say we signed someone" deal. Yeah, he's probably a good leader, and he's tough with his stick, but he has to be because all the guys going around him, the only thing he can do is use his stick. This would be a good start for rebuilding and clearing space on the cap, it's gonna be a while before this team gets the playoff money coming in. Anytime the sOilers have looked shorthanded 5 on 5 in their own zone, he's one of the two d-men on the ice, at the games i've been to this season.

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#32 KenL
January 08 2010, 11:03PM
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Robin, I don't understand why you and others have suggested moving Souray. This is the Oil's next Captain. Arguably he has been the defacto Captain since Moreau has been visibly absent in answering the tough questions.

Yes, he's a shadow of the player he was last season, but he wasn't concussed last season. He still has the hardest shot on the point, and I rather have a healthy Lubo and Souray on the PP again.

If it's a matter of clearing salary, I would rather see either Grebshkov or Gilbert go. Both have easier contracts to move which might make it easier to leverage for better picks or prospects.

You could also clear up cap room by getting rid of Moreau, Pisani, Staios, Poulet and Jacques. Comrie is a free agent and the end of the season, so that's another million off the books.

I think there's other options to explore before getting rid of the next Oiler captain.

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#33 JailbirdJoe
January 08 2010, 11:03PM
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I got my wife a Souray jersey for her birthday this year...so let's hope he stays! Haha

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#34 Racki
January 08 2010, 11:12PM
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I know a lot of you folks are all over trading the big salary Souray or Visnovsky. Me, I've always been against it. I know it's the easy way out. It's the quickest way to free up cash. But both those guys earn their salaries, and I have no problems keeping them around.

I'd rather that the Oilers deal with the salary problem in smaller chunks. Chip away the mid-range salary guys who aren't doing much at all for the team: Moreau, O'Sullivan, Nilsson (yes, still not sold on him, although he's been good... and I could definitely be convinced on him staying), Staios (fan of his, but he could be replaced for cheaper), one of Grebeshkov or Gilbert, Pisani (who will become UFA at the end of the year anyways).

What to do with the free cash now... well, we don't need to go for the home run deal that the Katz+Tambellini era Oilers seem to be infatuated with. What this team needs is some cheaper complementary players (to replace Moreau, Pisani, and any other high price role players we drop), a shutdown and/or bruising defenceman, a faceoff/pker, and a grittier, bigger forward or two with some better hands.I think the only guy of the aforementioned players that would be a bit pricier (and we're not talking Hossa offer pricier) is the power forward.

None of those players coming in are unrealistic, unaffordable options. And I think if the Oilers think a bit smaller rather than going for the big shocking deal, it would go a lot further to making the team better.

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#35 Matt Henderson
January 08 2010, 11:35PM
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Vis is 2nd on team scoring and managed to be a plus player on a crap team while playing 20 mins a night. Not getting traded unless the returns are irrefusable.

Souray is the Captain of this team, even if he never gets the C sewn onto his sweater. It pains me to think of the state of the team without him, but it probably has to get worse before it gets better.

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#36 Gagner2Hemsky
January 09 2010, 12:35AM
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I don't think anyone wants Staois or Moreau. Look at their stats. Staois having a "good year" has a higher minus rating than points. Moreau is having a bad year too.

I don't think anyone wants their salary for next season.

Souray from my understanding isn't going to be reconciling with his ex-wife any time soon, so I wouldn't rule out East Coast teams like New Jersey out so quickly either (and they have the cap room to take him). His family has lived in L.A. but also at times lives in New York I think.

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#37 Racki
January 09 2010, 01:07AM
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Gagner2Hemsky wrote:

I don't think anyone wants Staois or Moreau. Look at their stats. Staois having a "good year" has a higher minus rating than points. Moreau is having a bad year too.

I don't think anyone wants their salary for next season.

Souray from my understanding isn't going to be reconciling with his ex-wife any time soon, so I wouldn't rule out East Coast teams like New Jersey out so quickly either (and they have the cap room to take him). His family has lived in L.A. but also at times lives in New York I think.

Lowe (and now Tambellini) has generally been about managing assets (except apparently certain free agents when their eyes are on someone else... *cough* Glencross/Hejda, for example). That is, he will try to get max value out of even the worst of throw aways.

I would hope though that if there were no takers on Moreau or Staios by the trade deadline that they'd waive these two before next season starts. And uh, hand the C over to Souray already... he may be willing to accept a trade if needed, but it's not needed and I say he's much needed here.

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#38 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 09 2010, 07:47AM
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KenL wrote:

Robin, I don't understand why you and others have suggested moving Souray. This is the Oil's next Captain. Arguably he has been the defacto Captain since Moreau has been visibly absent in answering the tough questions.

Yes, he's a shadow of the player he was last season, but he wasn't concussed last season. He still has the hardest shot on the point, and I rather have a healthy Lubo and Souray on the PP again.

If it's a matter of clearing salary, I would rather see either Grebshkov or Gilbert go. Both have easier contracts to move which might make it easier to leverage for better picks or prospects.

You could also clear up cap room by getting rid of Moreau, Pisani, Staios, Poulet and Jacques. Comrie is a free agent and the end of the season, so that's another million off the books.

I think there's other options to explore before getting rid of the next Oiler captain.

souray is on the downside of his career. why not deal him and get something of value for him?

this team isnt going to be contending for anything for a while, souray probably wont even be around when the team turns the corner. why not move him now, get something in return, and give the guy a shot at winning something before his career is over?

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#39 Brocktw
January 09 2010, 08:36AM
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Sourays value right now while not as high as it was this time last year it could quite possibly never go any higher. If the plan is to rebuild the team, than he is a very important asset that the Oil must cash in. It is just as important to move him as Ethan or Staios.

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#40 Lofty
January 09 2010, 08:46AM
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I wanna know if Tambo and Co. have talked to Souray about this before hand or if Tambo learned this from the paper.

Tambo:"Hey Kevin, just read in the paper that Souray would be willing to waive his no trade clause... maybe I should look into this?"

KLowe:"Now dont rush into anything... just ride it out"

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#42 Lofty
January 09 2010, 09:00AM
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Isnt it Tambo's job to ask, not Souray's to go tell him? Since he hasnt done anything so far this year I dont think he is the most pro-active GM when it comes to a situation such as this.

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#43 Racki
January 09 2010, 09:08AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

souray is on the downside of his career. why not deal him and get something of value for him?

this team isnt going to be contending for anything for a while, souray probably wont even be around when the team turns the corner. why not move him now, get something in return, and give the guy a shot at winning something before his career is over?

He's one year removed from his best year of his career. So on the downside? Not necessarily (although yes, good chance he is at his peak).

As for the rest of your post, that does make sense however.

I'm still not for trading Souray though, myself. I don't think this team is miles away from being a team that has a shot at making the playoffs though. They won't do it this year, of course, but I think if our GM starts focusing in on those glue players rather than shooting for guys who barely have any inkling to play here, we'd be better off.

By my thouhgts (and not directed at the poster i quoted, but my general thoughts), some of our needs at the start of the year were: a goal scorer for our top line, a faceoff/PKer, a shutdown d-man and/or bruising d-man and a goaltender. They tried to hit the home run with the scorer by spending huge cash on someone who didn't want to be here. They solved the goaltender issue (or attempted to) by signing an old former war hero to an unrealistic contract. They ignored the defensive need. They tried to solve the faceoff/PKer from within. As we all know now, the scorer was who they solved from within and everything else was a complete bust. Every one of these needs could have been addressed for cheaper than what Heatley would have cost to play here as well.

Anyways, freeing up all that cash is great and all, but really what are they going to do with it? Go attempt to fix the entire team with one superstar again? Until they start making smarter decisions, I'll prefer they hang on to players who help address the team needs.

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#44 Harlie
January 09 2010, 09:26AM
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internet rumours of Cogs going to T.O are floating around. I don't know why but I've always pictured Cogs with a Maple Leaf sweater on at some point in his career. Not saying it's gonna happen immediately but I can see it happen sometime.

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#45 TigerUnderGlass
January 09 2010, 09:27AM
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@Racki

He's one year removed from his best year of his career. So on the downside? Not necessarily (although yes, good chance he is at his peak).

Are you honestly suggesting that a player his age might not be on the downside of his career?

I didn't even bother reading past this because it just became impossible to take anything you say seriously.

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#46 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 09 2010, 09:28AM
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I haven't really followed Anaheim this year - they've probably got some cap issues. Wouldn't that be a logical fit, too? They're definitely missing something (given an olympic top line).

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#47 -30-
January 09 2010, 09:48AM
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Hopefully any moves that the team make from now until the next pre-season are are with the intention of rebuilding the team from the ground up.

Is anyone satisfied with the mediocrity that has typified the Oil for the last dozen or more years?

Does the state of the Oilers help or hurt Katz in getting public funds for a new downtown complex?

Start making cap room as contracts expire. Don't go for the home run superstar until we have a solid team to support him.

Make Souray available, but only if it helps improve the team down the road not for any immediate impact.

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#49 Harlie
January 09 2010, 09:57AM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

Koivu and Selanne and Neidermayer are all in the last year of their contracts in Anaheim. The big hinderance is that Anaheim is not looking like a playoff team this year so they may be sellers as well. But with a few changes and some wins anything can happen right?

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#50 BarryS
January 09 2010, 10:04AM
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Notice Columbus beat Calgary last night, how long before we play Carolina? They need a little winning streak as well.

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