Growing Pains

Lowetide
October 15 2010 07:33AM

Life doesn't always turn out as planned. One minute you're on a big time television show and the next minute you're making straight-to-DVD classics. The window of opportunity can close quickly. Thank goodness there are older folks around to give advice.
 

As we edge closer to decision day on Taylor Hall's season (should they send him down to junior?) fans of the Edmonton Oilers are beginning to see just how large a step it is from junior to the NHL. In pre-season, when the muckers were on the powerplay and the ten-year veteran minor leaguers played with the superstars, Edmonton's kids weaved magic into every shift. As the pre-season wound down, the points dried up. Now that we're into the NHL regular season, time and space have evaporated and the three kids look like, well, kids on many shifts these days.

With the Oilers first loss last night, the coach has an opportunity to change some of the team's structure. Gilbert Brule is either injured or unable to play in Minnesota (he fell down a lot last night) so there may be some changes there. Ryan Jones has probably earned a shift on a regular line, and to me eye Magnus Pääjärvi has played well enough to grab a spot on the Horcoff line. The question becomes who do they demote?

Probably Taylor Hall. He is "in between" right now, not handling the puck much and chasing it a lot. Off the rush, he doesn't appear to have the previous drive to get around NHL veterans and is left to make a less creative play (and sometimes forces a play without success). With kids, it takes about 5 minutes to start losing confidence, so this is an issue Renney needs to address.

Shawn Horcoff has already given some insight into the situation. Quoting Horcoff in the the tsn article: "His shifts are too long. And he has to come back deeper for the puck to open up more ice. You have to overwork to get more ice. He's taking off (too quickly) and the defencemen are right there, but that's the NHL. These things will come. He wants it so badly, he stays out there because he wants it (to make something happen)."

These are common maladies for young players and can be filed under "errors of enthusiasm" at this early juncture. Will he learn from this? His average shift lengths in the first three NHL games have been fine (49 seconds in game #1; 51 seconds in game #2; 46 seconds in game three) but what Horcoff is talking about are a few prolonged shifts per game. Last night he had 5 shifts over one minute, with the longest being 1:26. Jordan Eberle had 7 shifts over one minutes with the longest being 1:40 (PP). The Swedish teenager had 8 shifts over a minute, the longest being 1:24. Checking the TOI totals for the two previous games, they seem to be about the same as last night's in terms of the three young forwards.

I think Taylor Hall might benefit from playing on a lesser line for a few games. Elevate the Swede, get Brule out of the lineup until he's healthy and give Ryan Jones a chance to play with Cogs and Hall on the 3line. Either way, the coach will have to do something soon. Taylor Hall is a very confident young man, but he's also used to a lot of success. OHL to NHL is a massive gap.

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#51 positivebrontefan
October 15 2010, 10:28AM
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All this being said; we are still a hell of alot happier than over on flamesnations post game blog! BOO HOO!!!!

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#52 DBO
October 15 2010, 10:39AM
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positivebrontefan wrote:

All this being said; we are still a hell of alot happier than over on flamesnations post game blog! BOO HOO!!!!

Exactly. Thank god we aren't the flames, with a cap team, no relief from the cap next year, with aging vets who are falling apart and lots of expectation. They will play better and finish 10th in the west, not a lottery team and there will be wholesales changes in off season. At least we know what we have, and have hope going forward.

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#53 Smokey
October 15 2010, 10:52AM
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i have no issues like some other then faceoffs. Cogliano is not getting better, so stop using him on the dot. Also, the kids are learning, we are seeing the good, bad, and ugly this past week. We are not going 82-0 and winning a cup, and there's no point in talking about sending these kids to juniors or the minors, its not happening for a variety of reasons that people have stated on here. This is "growing pains..." When your trying to get a feel for the bigs and your the new kid on the block, you can't learn these lessons playing anywhere else but the NHL. Let them make mistakes, and expect to loose once in awhile. After listening to the call in show of yahoos last night on CHED and 1260, I learned that there is little desire for the casual fan to loose this year. It will be a long year for these people, me on the otherhand will enjoy this season win or loose...

As for the Dustin Penner bashers, he's our best player, and last season hes pretty much the only reason any of us watched last years debacle. For 65 games he was a pleasure to watch, and played surprisingly well when anyone else with talent was injured, and the rest played half assed. Last time I checked he also has a cup, so I don't really think we should trash the guy when... I think we can lay off him, were as bad as HABS fans...my goodness.

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#54 DBO
October 15 2010, 10:57AM
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Let the kids learn, but maybe more balance would be nice.

MPS-Gagner-Hemsky

Penner-Horcoff-Eberle

Hall-Brule-Cogs

Jones-Fraser-Stortini

Shelter the Brule line a bit, run the other 2 out there a lot regardless of who they are against. Let Hall ease into it more, as he is clearly an 18 year old and he needs time. Penner with Horcoff gives us a smarter line to run out there in our own zone along with the Gagner line, who would still benefit with MPS and his solid back checking.

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#55 rhino
October 15 2010, 11:03AM
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Wow we gave the rebuild a whole 3 games before needing to blow things up again. We still dont have a #1 pivot. Gagner is not it at this time. Everything is fine the way it is. They were outplayed on special teams last night. Going into the season questions were asked who was going to kill penalties how did that change? Penner only played with Brule and Cogs last year because who else did he have to play with? I remember on 2 occasions last year a 5 point night and both times who was the other winger? Hemsky. Why make the change on the first line the are going at a goal a game pace if they end the season with 80 goals is that not a good thing. Take the pressure off the kids like they are doing. If cogs cant play with MPS why should that be penners problem. If cogliano cant play the position as a third line center then bring up fraser or jone or omark and sit his ass on the bench. Its a year to see what you have and if anyone thinks cogliano is the future 3rd line pivot on this team better think again.

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#56 Kodiak
October 15 2010, 11:27AM
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I'm on the fence regarding keeping Hall here for the year. Wouldn't bother me at all to see him sent back to junior though. Too bad management basically guaranteed him a spot.

A disappointment so far this season has been Fraser. He was on for all four goals on the PK last night, can't win key defensive faceoffs and really hasn't done anything to show he can handle a third line checking/defensive (or any other) role.

That and the fact the 3rd line has been a trainwreck and a waste of minutes.

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#57 Bill up North
October 15 2010, 11:28AM
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Smokey wrote:

i have no issues like some other then faceoffs. Cogliano is not getting better, so stop using him on the dot. Also, the kids are learning, we are seeing the good, bad, and ugly this past week. We are not going 82-0 and winning a cup, and there's no point in talking about sending these kids to juniors or the minors, its not happening for a variety of reasons that people have stated on here. This is "growing pains..." When your trying to get a feel for the bigs and your the new kid on the block, you can't learn these lessons playing anywhere else but the NHL. Let them make mistakes, and expect to loose once in awhile. After listening to the call in show of yahoos last night on CHED and 1260, I learned that there is little desire for the casual fan to loose this year. It will be a long year for these people, me on the otherhand will enjoy this season win or loose...

As for the Dustin Penner bashers, he's our best player, and last season hes pretty much the only reason any of us watched last years debacle. For 65 games he was a pleasure to watch, and played surprisingly well when anyone else with talent was injured, and the rest played half assed. Last time I checked he also has a cup, so I don't really think we should trash the guy when... I think we can lay off him, were as bad as HABS fans...my goodness.

I've read through the comments. I don't recall anyone bashing Penner...Maybe I missed it???

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#58 Bookie
October 15 2010, 11:29AM
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@Jonathan Willis

Would it be considered a bad sign if the first overall was sent down? Would it rAise legitimate questions about the pick?

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#59 Tayranchula
October 15 2010, 11:38AM
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My growing pain is Cogs....so painful to watch

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#60 David S
October 15 2010, 11:43AM
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DBO wrote:

Let the kids learn, but maybe more balance would be nice.

MPS-Gagner-Hemsky

Penner-Horcoff-Eberle

Hall-Brule-Cogs

Jones-Fraser-Stortini

Shelter the Brule line a bit, run the other 2 out there a lot regardless of who they are against. Let Hall ease into it more, as he is clearly an 18 year old and he needs time. Penner with Horcoff gives us a smarter line to run out there in our own zone along with the Gagner line, who would still benefit with MPS and his solid back checking.

I'm not sure if I'd mess with the one line that's doing a good job for us (PGH). But I would swap MP for Hall and have Brule play center on that line to see how that goes. Its plain to see Cogs isn't a C, so we should just let him get back to a position where he's had some success in the past (winger).

Personally I think Hall should NOT be playing in the NHL this year as he's clearly out of his depth, but where would you put him so he could continue to improve? Problem is, we're doing the same thing to him as we did to Gagner, which I believe has impeded Sam's progression.

As for the team in general, well we're screwed by not having another "Actual NHL'er®" C (thanks again Steve Tambellini) and of course our D just isn't that good past our second pairing, which we all knew from the get-go.

I think our PP has potential, but our PK is abysmal and that'll be where things really go off the deep end. Playing your primary agitator for 5 minutes a game doesn't exactly help your cause either.

Rolling lines like Renney is doing seems like an evaluation strategy to me. Maybe he's seeing what sticks and will start to match lines as the season unfolds. Still, I can't help thinking Calgary will steamroll us next game, if only for revenge.

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#61 Dominoiler
October 15 2010, 11:44AM
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I think that was him escaping the oilers Bandwagon

oh, jezz.. haha.. thanks...

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#62 D-Man
October 15 2010, 12:07PM
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I agree with the past comments that we shouldn't really shake up much of the lines... A rebuild requires patience and those people who suggest that Taylor Hall should be sent down need to understand - that we were a 30th place team... Asking Hall to even get 40 points this year is simply unfair. He's 10 to 15lbs of muscle behind many NHL defensemen. With his drive and competitiveness, he'll adjust - but that will take time.. Sending him to juniors does nothing for him or our chances of building a winner long term...

I do like the suggestion on trying Brule at center... Cogs doesn't seem to get it, regardless on how hard he's trying... Moving Jones up to the 3rd line might have merit, but not at the expense of one of the kids...

Like it or not, we're not going to win many more than 32 games this year (which is 5 more than last)...

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#63 D-Man
October 15 2010, 12:14PM
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@David S

I agree with everything you've said by comparing Hall and Gagner are apples and oranges... Each year, the draft has a huge drop off after the top two or three picks... Sam was 6th overall and actually earned a spot on this team at 18... Also, considering the fact that he got more points than Joe Thorton did in his first three years, he's not doing too bad... Sam's big year is this year - if he doesn't get between 55 and 60 points, I think Tambo may need to rethink his (Sam's) future with the Oilers...

Hall will be an effective top six NHLer... Having him play in the OHL will not help him learn to be a pro or adjust his play to the speed of the NHL...

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#64 David S
October 15 2010, 12:24PM
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D-Man wrote:

I agree with everything you've said by comparing Hall and Gagner are apples and oranges... Each year, the draft has a huge drop off after the top two or three picks... Sam was 6th overall and actually earned a spot on this team at 18... Also, considering the fact that he got more points than Joe Thorton did in his first three years, he's not doing too bad... Sam's big year is this year - if he doesn't get between 55 and 60 points, I think Tambo may need to rethink his (Sam's) future with the Oilers...

Hall will be an effective top six NHLer... Having him play in the OHL will not help him learn to be a pro or adjust his play to the speed of the NHL...

Yeah. I see your point. Still, as good as Sam is now, I often wonder how good he'd be if we had the luxury of a Detroit approach to player development.

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#65 Milli
October 15 2010, 12:26PM
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If we where to package say Hall and Cogs do you think Philly would part with Pronger?

HAHAHA!!! But really, we got a bit of a learning cuvre. How long did it take Stamkos to become legit? It was deep into his first season before there cries that it was a mistake died down. Face offs and PK hsunk us last night. There where times we looked realy bad and times we looked realy good. Young team, it's gonna be fun, but there's gonna be pain!

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#66 HC
October 15 2010, 12:53PM
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I'm a little concerned about Horcoff's need to discuss his criticism of Hall with the MSM. In fact, I've noticed how Horcoff likes to hand out advice left, right, and centre during games as well. Sure it's good to get help when help is needed but there is a time a place for this to be done. I'm just worried Horcoff's input is going to cause a natural talent the likes of Hall (not so much Eberle) to suppress his natural instincts. My thoughts, Horcoff should try leading by example more and less by direct instruction. Leave that to the coaches. Thoughts?

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#67 madjam
October 15 2010, 12:57PM
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My biggest concern is lack of contribution now and in future from Cogs and Brule up front . Future for Hartekainen and Plante i see a lot of positives moving forward , and both have size . Giroux did not look out of place when he was up, and looks no worse than some of others that are doing little to date . Omark, they just didn't seem to have a place for him with a small incumbent base to begin with that has yet to be fully assessed .

Lack off forsight with Souray sure made matters far worse than they should have ever gotten .

Wouldn't mind seeing both Cogs and Brule traded for some good useable size up front (veteran or youth ). Heck, even a good sized dependable defenceman that can contribute more than present staff .

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#68 dawgbone
October 15 2010, 01:03PM
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D-Man wrote:

I agree with everything you've said by comparing Hall and Gagner are apples and oranges... Each year, the draft has a huge drop off after the top two or three picks... Sam was 6th overall and actually earned a spot on this team at 18... Also, considering the fact that he got more points than Joe Thorton did in his first three years, he's not doing too bad... Sam's big year is this year - if he doesn't get between 55 and 60 points, I think Tambo may need to rethink his (Sam's) future with the Oilers...

Hall will be an effective top six NHLer... Having him play in the OHL will not help him learn to be a pro or adjust his play to the speed of the NHL...

In what way did Gagner earn a spot when he was 18?

He kicked ass at summit series, but his pre-season didn't light the world on fire by any stretch.

Sam Gagner was in the NHL at 18 because Oiler management were selling hope to try and make up for the disaster of the last 20 or so games of the previous season.

Playing in the OHL may not help him be a better pro or adjust his play to the NHL, but it will allow him another year to get bigger, stronger and faster away from the NHL.

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#69 DK0
October 15 2010, 01:05PM
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@David S

I think he would be a worse player if he was in the AHL then he is now. In my opinion the only time coming to the NHL hurts your progress is if you barely make the team and are a 4th line plugger. Do you really think Gagner would learn more in the AHL then he does being the #1 C on a NHL team? You put your best coaches and best training staff on the big club.

The only downside is maybe that he can lose some confidence if hes not performing up to what he's used too, and i thing Gags biggest strength is his brain so he should be able to overcome those feelings. Also our AHl team was so terrible he probably would have taken a bigger hit to the confidence when his team couldnt even win a game and he's thinking "And this is the AHL, i'm going to die in the NHL"

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#70 dawgbone
October 15 2010, 01:11PM
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HC wrote:

I'm a little concerned about Horcoff's need to discuss his criticism of Hall with the MSM. In fact, I've noticed how Horcoff likes to hand out advice left, right, and centre during games as well. Sure it's good to get help when help is needed but there is a time a place for this to be done. I'm just worried Horcoff's input is going to cause a natural talent the likes of Hall (not so much Eberle) to suppress his natural instincts. My thoughts, Horcoff should try leading by example more and less by direct instruction. Leave that to the coaches. Thoughts?

Unless of course they ask him.

He's a veteran NHLer with several hundred games under his belt talking to players who have combined for less than 10 games. He can tell them how to take better angles to the puck, where to come in the defensive zone, etc...

Hall is probably used to having defenders back right off him and retreat. NHL defencemen don't do that, they stay with you when the puck is in the offensive end. Hall will get the puck with more open ice if he's deeper in his own end than he will trying to skate up with the oppositions defencemen.

Just watch how Eberle plays. He's constantly supporting down low and there have been numerous times where he has been able to hit the neutral zone at top speed.

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#71 Moetown
October 15 2010, 01:32PM
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Enough is enough. Stop blaming the rookies. Its the same problem for the last two years. the team is too easy to play off the puck and our centers arent physical enough. As long as Cogs and Gagner are centering 2 out of the 4 lines, its going to be the same story. Gagner hitting the post which would have made it 3-3 is exactly his problem. No finish and it results in another loss. Get rid of cogs, thrown gagner in the deal and lets get a center that can play the physical game. Also, I bet Omark would be better than both if he was playing in the big leauges. in 3 games, the oil have had 3 good periods. thats not gonna cut it.

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#72 D-Man
October 15 2010, 01:33PM
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In what way did Gagner earn a spot when he was 18?

He kicked ass at summit series, but his pre-season didn't light the world on fire by any stretch.

Sam Gagner was in the NHL at 18 because Oiler management were selling hope to try and make up for the disaster of the last 20 or so games of the previous season.

Playing in the OHL may not help him be a better pro or adjust his play to the NHL, but it will allow him another year to get bigger, stronger and faster away from the NHL.

He played well enough in the pre-season... You forget that our team wasn't that deep then; and yes, Gagner won a spot... You're right that part of the decision was for 'selling hope', but as you recall Sam also got 49 points that season too...

Hall won't get any bigger or stronger playing another season in the OHL... He'll get bigger in the off season with a better diet and training regimen.. He'll learn more about that from the pros in the dressing room and the Oilers training staff, than he ever would in Windsor...

For argument's sake - who do we have in OKC who would be a better player than Hall?? Omark?? Giroux?? Considering they've both played two games "on the farm" without a point - I think not...

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#73 traktor
October 15 2010, 01:34PM
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Why is Shawn Horcoff telling the media what Hall needs to work on? Those are the things that stay in the dressing room.

All Horcoff's comments do is put more pressure on Hall because the media are now talking all about the things he needs to improve on.

Hall looks absolutely terrified out there. It doesn't help that Clutterbuck took a blindside run at him and not one single player stood for him.

You would think Horcoff being the one vet on the line wouldn't let the other team take liberties on Hall and Eberle but Horcoff is softer than Robert Nilsson so it's not surprising that he rolled over.

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#74 D-Man
October 15 2010, 01:38PM
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Moetown wrote:

Enough is enough. Stop blaming the rookies. Its the same problem for the last two years. the team is too easy to play off the puck and our centers arent physical enough. As long as Cogs and Gagner are centering 2 out of the 4 lines, its going to be the same story. Gagner hitting the post which would have made it 3-3 is exactly his problem. No finish and it results in another loss. Get rid of cogs, thrown gagner in the deal and lets get a center that can play the physical game. Also, I bet Omark would be better than both if he was playing in the big leauges. in 3 games, the oil have had 3 good periods. thats not gonna cut it.

No argument's about Cogs, but you're way off on Gagner, and Omark... Granted, we're very early into the season, but Gagner has a point in each of our first three games... Omark hasn't had a sniff in Oklahoma in two...

But I digress, who would would you be looking for that would a) play a physical game and b) have the same offensive production of Gagner (40 to 60 point season)?? Thoughts???

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#75 Reach Advantage
October 15 2010, 01:55PM
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Why move Jones when he is working well where he is? Don't mess with success. He's in a situation that is working for him, leave it alone.

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#76 Chris.
October 15 2010, 01:57PM
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I doubt Renny is going to shuffle the lines till after the Calgary game. (With Big Mac probably drawing back in: aren't these the same lines that beat the crap out of the Flames just eight days ago?)

Should the Oil play poorly in Calgary I have a few suggestions:

1)Seperate Hemsky and Gagner on PP1. During a man advantage, when the Oilers are set up in the offensive zone, Hemsky needs a pure shooter to dish the puck to, and Penner can't be expected to be both the shooter and the screen at the same time.

2) Call up, or trade for someone else to play third line center. Cogliano is simply miscast in this role.

3) Put either DD or JDD on waivers... (or pull the trigger on a friggen trade that makes sence) If someone grabbed one of these guys off of waivers it would at least benifit the organization by taking one of the forty-seven contracts off the books. By the look of things in OKC more flexibility may be required moving forward.

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#77 Supergoalie15
October 15 2010, 02:11PM
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3 games in, and from what I've read in the comments... Penner and Hemsky are gold now, Cogliano has to go, the rookies are having problems, surprise surprise, and we would be ready to jump off a bridge if we could not compare ourselves to the Flames. Cool. Can't wait to see how we feel after 4 games.

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#78 baggedmilk
October 15 2010, 02:11PM
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The guys that you all want gone aren't going anywhere. Many of you are very very stupid.

That is all.

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#79 Digger
October 15 2010, 02:15PM
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dawgbone wrote:

In what way did Gagner earn a spot when he was 18?

He kicked ass at summit series, but his pre-season didn't light the world on fire by any stretch.

Sam Gagner was in the NHL at 18 because Oiler management were selling hope to try and make up for the disaster of the last 20 or so games of the previous season.

Playing in the OHL may not help him be a better pro or adjust his play to the NHL, but it will allow him another year to get bigger, stronger and faster away from the NHL.

As I recall, Gagner earned a spot as an 18 yr old not so much because of his preseason (which was OK but not great, IIRC it was Cogliano that was the talk of the preseason with his 6 points in 4 preseason games that led the team), but his first 9 regular season games where he went 1-6-7 and was only a -1, and it certainly didn't hurt him that Stoll was having a terrible time of it as the Oilers 2nd line center, who at the same time started the year with a 9-0-1-1 and was bleeding goals against (-7).

"Selling hope" was certainly part of it, but IMO an equal part was needing someone, ANYONE to be a passable 2nd line C, and at the time Gagner was making a case for himself. I firmly believe that if Stoll hadn't started the year like garbage, Gagner would've gone back to London.

Of course, it was right after their decision to keep him up for the year that Gagner went into the tank for a solid 2 months before finding himself again, but that's another story.

The Oilers might've been better served with not keeping him in the NHL at 18, but I take issue with people who try to portray it like he was kept up through no merit of his own. IMO that is not accurate.

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#80 D-Man
October 15 2010, 02:20PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

The guys that you all want gone aren't going anywhere. Many of you are very very stupid.

That is all.

Here Here!!!

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#81 treblecharger
October 15 2010, 02:20PM
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I have officially had enough of the Horcoff slagging, on here, and from most people I know....have we been watching the same games the last 3 years??!!! Horc does what he is supposed to do, what he's been told, and leads by effort and example pretty much EVERY NIGHT. Some nights in the last 3 years he has done everything but fly the goddamn plane home! He is, simply, one of the best 2-way centres in the league, playing on the worst team in the league, with snake-bitten linemates or injury replacements. Do you all seriously think that Hall and Eberle are that much better that he's holding them back? Obviously, we do not occupy the same reality or seem to watch the same team. Don't hate 'cause of his contract....would you turn it down if offered to you? If the team had followed through on personnel after the Cup attempt you would be singing a different tune...and Horc would have point totals that better suit his salary number.

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#82 Ender
October 15 2010, 02:23PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

Many of you are very very stupid. That is all.

On that note . . .

If you know, are related to, or work with someone who suffers from stupidity, please forward this message. People need to understand that stupidity is a real condition and should be taken seriously. You could be sitting next to a sufferer right now. There is still no known cure for stupidity, but we can raise awareness.

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#83 Milli
October 15 2010, 02:25PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

The guys that you all want gone aren't going anywhere. Many of you are very very stupid.

That is all.

your stupidererer! even though I proped you!

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#84 baggedmilk
October 15 2010, 02:31PM
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Milli wrote:

your stupidererer! even though I proped you!

Here I was all excited, hoping for a good probing, but I was propsed...

Colour me disappointed.

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#85 SirFozz
October 15 2010, 02:40PM
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My two cents- we should all panic.

*runs around in circles screaming*

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#86 baggedmilk
October 15 2010, 02:42PM
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SirFozz wrote:

My two cents- we should all panic.

*runs around in circles screaming*

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#87 Dominoiler
October 15 2010, 02:49PM
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"Hall looks absolutely terrified out there. It doesn't help that Clutterbuck took a blindside run at him and not one single player stood for him."

I totally agree traktor.. I was disgusted that no one stood up for him.. then, or the next shift clutterbuck was out there... team toughness is bull if no one is willing to step up...

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#88 Dominoiler
October 15 2010, 02:56PM
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Reach Advantage wrote:

Why move Jones when he is working well where he is? Don't mess with success. He's in a situation that is working for him, leave it alone.

Just, PLEASE!, no more success on the Pk..

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#89 Moetown
October 15 2010, 03:00PM
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@D-Man

I was unaware of his 3 points but regardless points dont always tell the story. How much of an impact has Gagner had on the first line? I see penner and I see hemsky and yet Gagner is an afterthought. They gotta have someone that can keep the puck and not get pushed off. As for naming a player, Ill leave that to Tambo. He must be seeing the same thing we are seeing. At least this year, expectations are moderate at best and we can live with the losses. It will get better but it wont until the C position is shored up.

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#90 yegCopywriter
October 15 2010, 03:10PM
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I haven't judged anyone yet. It's been three games, not thirty.

Just sharpen your knives for now. Take them out later.

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#91 yegCopywriter
October 15 2010, 03:12PM
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On another note, aren't Cactus Cut Potatoes delicious? That ad for those things and the 3 oz fishbowl cocktails may have just earned Boston Pizza $16.90 tonight.

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#92 russ99
October 15 2010, 03:19PM
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C'mon people. We all knew a game like this was coming, this team is the youngest in the league.

Personally, I'm sort of glad it happened so the players stay hardworking and humble and the coaches can better do their jobs and teach the lessons that only come from experiences.

Work out the kinks and let's get Calgary on Saturday.

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#93 Quicksilver ballet
October 15 2010, 03:31PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

The guys that you all want gone aren't going anywhere. Many of you are very very stupid.

That is all.

..So what you're saying is we should close camp run-o-mock and turn out the lights on this venture, if this is the only input oilersnation receives from it's members?

What did you expect on this public forum, input from 300+ out of work NHL GM's? Sometimes you'll be made aware of something you didn't know while visiting here and sometimes you don't. Resorting to name calling confirms one thing.... that we are all here, cuz we're not all "there"...and you must be our leader. Welcome to club stupid as you so affectionately call it.

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#94 Hemmertime
October 15 2010, 03:41PM
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Dominoiler wrote:

"Hall looks absolutely terrified out there. It doesn't help that Clutterbuck took a blindside run at him and not one single player stood for him."

I totally agree traktor.. I was disgusted that no one stood up for him.. then, or the next shift clutterbuck was out there... team toughness is bull if no one is willing to step up...

Same thing with the cross check on Hemsky. I understand Penner wanted the PP, but with Vandermeer on the ice at the time we had an obvious candidate to let Minny know that a high crosscheck will not go unpunished. I was disappointed no one did anything.

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#95 SirFozz
October 15 2010, 03:44PM
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I hate when we fight amongst ourselves. Here, this will cheer everyone up:

http://bit.ly/92UrUC

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#96 baggedmilk
October 15 2010, 03:50PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

..So what you're saying is we should close camp run-o-mock and turn out the lights on this venture, if this is the only input oilersnation receives from it's members?

What did you expect on this public forum, input from 300+ out of work NHL GM's? Sometimes you'll be made aware of something you didn't know while visiting here and sometimes you don't. Resorting to name calling confirms one thing.... that we are all here, cuz we're not all "there"...and you must be our leader. Welcome to club stupid as you so affectionately call it.

Don't ever underestimate my stupidity. If I could chart it, it would be exponential.

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#97 yegCopywriter
October 15 2010, 03:54PM
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SirFozz wrote:

I hate when we fight amongst ourselves. Here, this will cheer everyone up:

http://bit.ly/92UrUC

So majestic!

*cheerily skips around the office*

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#98 dawgbone
October 15 2010, 04:11PM
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D-Man wrote:

He played well enough in the pre-season... You forget that our team wasn't that deep then; and yes, Gagner won a spot... You're right that part of the decision was for 'selling hope', but as you recall Sam also got 49 points that season too...

Hall won't get any bigger or stronger playing another season in the OHL... He'll get bigger in the off season with a better diet and training regimen.. He'll learn more about that from the pros in the dressing room and the Oilers training staff, than he ever would in Windsor...

For argument's sake - who do we have in OKC who would be a better player than Hall?? Omark?? Giroux?? Considering they've both played two games "on the farm" without a point - I think not...

He played well enough in the pre-season to what?

I know our team wasn't that deep, but there still wasn't much that Gagner could provide at 18. He got 49 points but absolutely bled goals against.

Hall will get bigger and stronger playing in the OHL, he's still in a physical developmental stage where he is still naturally growing.

Not only that, but the extra rest provided in the OHL (fewer games and practices) will be more beneficial to his body growing up.

The NHL is not the only place where you can learn this. There are highly qualified dietitians and trainers in Windsor and there is nothing stopping the Oilers from having someone check up on him constantly.

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#99 reb98
October 15 2010, 06:13PM
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BaconWrapped wrote:

So, who's the bird in the pic?

Yes, who is this or what show/movie was she in?

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#100 Dutchscooter
October 15 2010, 06:17PM
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Ender wrote:

baggedmilk wrote:

Many of you are very very stupid. That is all.

On that note . . .

If you know, are related to, or work with someone who suffers from stupidity, please forward this message. People need to understand that stupidity is a real condition and should be taken seriously. You could be sitting next to a sufferer right now. There is still no known cure for stupidity, but we can raise awareness.

Maybe we should start a 'Stupid Cure' Telethon!

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