GDB 4.0: LOOKING TO END A STREAK

Jason Gregor
October 16 2010 01:17PM

After a convincing 4-0 victory over the Calgary Flames on opening night, the Oilers have played two consecutive unemotional, unable-to-complete-a-pass and soft-on-the-forecheck type of games. Whether they can complete consecutive passes tonight is still a mystery, but there should be no lack of emotion or grit when they drop the puck on the second installment of the Battle of Alberta.

The Oilers couldn’t end a 13-game losing streak in Minnesota on Thursday, and tonight they play at the Saddledome where they have lost five straight and haven’t won since Oct 17th, 2008. When you've missed the playoffs for four straight years, there's a good chance the Oilers could end some sort of losing streak every week, but tonight is a great test to see if these Oilers are ready to compete physically.

The Flames aren't going to out-skill many teams; two shutouts in three games has the Flames shooting more blanks than any fighting scene in The Other Guys. The Flames first line of Jarome Iginla/Olli Jokinen/Alex Tanguay has combined for zero points. Maybe Tom Renney was on to something when he kept putting Jim Vandermeer and Theo Peckham out against Iginla and company after an Oiler PP in game one?..I keed I keed. But they way they are playing, I don't think Renney will be too nervous if his 3rd pairing sees a few shifts v. Iginla tonight.
 
Some were wondering if Tom Renney would juggle his lines tonight, but it looks like he'll start with the same lines as the frist three games, but if they struggle to produce some offensive chances, look for Renney to move some guys around. It sounds like he will dress Steve MacIntyre tonight, which shows me Renney wants to make sure the Flames don't get too stupid or try to intimidate the young kids on the road.
 

OILERS LINEUP

 
Penner-Gagner-Hemsky
Hall-Horcoff-Eberle
Paajarvi-Cogliano-Brule
MacIntyre-Fraser-Jones(Stortini)
 
Whitney-Foster
Smid-Gilbert
Vandermeer-Peckham
 
Khabibulin 

FLAMES LINEUP

 
Brent Sutter will tweak his lineup tonight, as he should, with only three goals in three games.
 
Tanguay-Stajan-Iginla
Hagman-Jokinen-Morrison
Glencross-Backlund-Jackman
Conroy-Meyer-Sutter
 
He will also sit out rookie TJ Brodie and play Cory Sarich for the first time.
 
Giordano-Sarich
Bouwmeester-Staios
Regehr-White
 
Kiprusoff 

QUICK NOTES

  • It is early, but the Oilers have been getting great production from their backend. They nine points from their blueliners so far, although only Gilbert has a goal. The Flames don't have one point from their backend so far.
     
  • Foster hasn't gotten comfortable yet. He needs to shoot more. So far he seems more content looking for the slap pass, rather than just letting it fly. He has a great shot, and he needs to start using it.
     
  • MacIntyre needs to intimidate and set the tone with his shoulders, not his fists tonight. Jackman would fight him if he had to, but tonight MacIntyre and either Jones or Stortini need to keep the Flames on their toes. In the home opener the 4th line set the tone early with some big hits and will need to do the same tonight.
     
  • While the Flames can't score, Kiprusoff hasn't been great either with a .890 SV%. He was really good v. the Oilers, but he hasn't been great in any game. The Oilers need to get traffic in front of him early.
     
  • Paajarvi needs to be better in the corners. His backchecking, skating and effort has been good except he hasn't won many battles for pucks in the offensive zone.
     
  • Not to harp on the obvious, but "win some %^&*$&* faceoffs" is what Renney should be saying in the room tonight.
     
  • It must be the letter C. Cogliano has five goals v. Columbus, four v. Chicago and three v. Calgary and Colorado. He might show up offensively tonight.
     
  • Gagner also likes playing the Flames. He has five career goals v. Calgary. The only team he has scored more against is Colorado (9).
     
  • Khabibulin has dominated the Flames in his career going 23-7-3. Next closest is LA and St. Louis where he has 19 wins.

After two snoozefests, let's hope the Oilers at least make the game entertaining tonight. Regardless of the score I'd like to see a few tilts, big hits, nice goals and some animosity. The Flames should be pissed after a 35-minute closed-door meeting yesterday, followed by a 24 minute no-puck skate. The Oilers will need to match the Flames emotion/anger tonight.

SAY WHAT???

I've been reading all over twitter this morning, from MSM guys, that Joe Thornton could have gotten more than the three-year $21-million extension he signed with San Jose this morning had he waited until July 1st.

Are you kidding me?

Name the teams that would have lined up to pay a guy more than $7 million a year, who has never taken his team close to the Stanley Cup? Thornton is the posterboy for "can't win the big one". He also doesn't score enough goals to be a true impact player in my mind.

He has yet to prove he can carry he team on his back, or score the big goal in the playoffs. He should be pumped the Sharks gave him $21 million over three seasons.

Has Thornton made any of his teammates that much better? I can think of Jonathon Cheechoo for two years and that is it. Thornton is great regular season player, but has yet to be a true impact player in crunch time.  

SEE WHAT THE FLAMESNATION IS SAYING HERE

"The Auld Enemy make their first visit to the Moneypit this evening, fresh off a haphazard performance in St. Paul Thursday night that lead to their first loss of the season. The first meeting between these two clubs gave most folks that cheer for the Flames a bad case of agita, but from what I've seen of Edmonton since last week, it isn't because they're particularly good." - Robert Cleave flamesnation.ca

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Chris
October 16 2010, 01:23PM
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Good stuff on Gagner, hopefully he buries one. I'm pumped for the game cause it's Boys night out.

Gregor my wife and four of her single friends are going to the women's show today. They are excited that you are in the bachelor auction...Good luck. Watch out.

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#2 Slick
October 16 2010, 01:35PM
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A win against the lames tonight will make everyone forget about the lack of effort in the past two games.

Get'r done boys!

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#3 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 16 2010, 01:50PM
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"Has Thornton made any of his teammates that much better?"

Thorton is one of the only players in the leauge that has actually made (some)his teammates better.

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#4 zach
October 16 2010, 02:05PM
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Who does this Brodie think he is wearing #66?

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#5 Horcsky
October 16 2010, 02:08PM
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@ gregor: But they way they are playing, I don't think Renney will be too nervous if his 3rd pairing sees a few shifts v. Iginla tonight

How would you characterize vandermeer's play so far Jason? By my eye, he has been very suspect in his own end, and with his decision making.

Peckham has been okay though.

Edit: I must also disagree with your Joe Thornton comments. Dominant #1 centre that makes players around him better.

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#6 Team Brian Hall
October 16 2010, 02:22PM
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So the Oilers lose one game and we don't throw all of our lines in a blender and Macblend them all to crap? How is a team supposed to develop chemistry that way? Sincerely, Craig MacT. Gonna go ahead and disagree with you on Jumbo Joe, off the top of my head, here's a team that would have given him way more on July 1 - The Edmonton Oilers, Calgary Flames, Ottawa Senators, Van Canucks, TO Maple Leafs, and Montreal Canadiens. Are there anymore Canadian teams, did I miss any there? Didn't think so.

Sincerely, Reality

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#7 Dennis
October 16 2010, 02:25PM
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how much intensity will you see sometimes when you have two poor teams playing against each other?

The Flames Should be ready to spit nails given their start but they very well could be a poor team and there's a better-than-average chance that the Oilers will be a very poor team.

So, BOA or not, I'm unconvinced this is going to be a good game just because of geography.

Sometimes a map has nothing to do with talent levels or lack of experience.

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#8 Team Brian Seguin
October 16 2010, 02:27PM
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You know, there are 6 Canadian teams in the league, or, as I like to call them, the "Original Six". Don't you think that's a good nickname for our six Canadian teams, the "Original Six"? Anyone on board with me there? Any takers? Does anyone on here want a re-do on the Taylor Hall draft pick? Would you take Tyler Seguin yet? That would be a good poll to put up in a few more weeks. I'm keeping one evil eye on that boys progress for sure. Don't judge me, just throwing that into the wind, just a topic of interest, not saying anything by that, just interesting, thats all. If we beat Calgary one more time this year I will be so happy. Don't give them any confidence now, at this crucial point in their morale levels.

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#9 eljay
October 16 2010, 02:32PM
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but has yet to be a true impact player in crunch time.

Sedin?

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#10 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 16 2010, 02:40PM
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Team Brian Seguin wrote:

You know, there are 6 Canadian teams in the league, or, as I like to call them, the "Original Six". Don't you think that's a good nickname for our six Canadian teams, the "Original Six"? Anyone on board with me there? Any takers? Does anyone on here want a re-do on the Taylor Hall draft pick? Would you take Tyler Seguin yet? That would be a good poll to put up in a few more weeks. I'm keeping one evil eye on that boys progress for sure. Don't judge me, just throwing that into the wind, just a topic of interest, not saying anything by that, just interesting, thats all. If we beat Calgary one more time this year I will be so happy. Don't give them any confidence now, at this crucial point in their morale levels.

Anyone that was pro-hall 3 weeks ago, that is now pro-Seguin over 3 games should have their opinion renderd null and void anyways.

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#11 SumOil
October 16 2010, 02:56PM
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"It must be the letter C. Cogliano has five goals v. Columbus, four v. Chicago and three v. Calgary and Colorado. He might show up offensively tonight"

make him captain!!

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#12 Wanye
October 16 2010, 03:05PM
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Look how old that Flames player is! BAHAHAHAHA

*wipes tears from eyes*

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#13 Tayranchula
October 16 2010, 03:15PM
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The Oilers staff should make a montage of the 06 playoffs. Every Oiler on that roster came to play, hit everything that moved and made passes haha But in all seriousness who from the top 9 of the Oilers is physical enough and can change a game from a hit? Jones? who knows if he is good enough to play top 9, Brule? and hes hurt right now so he may not be hitting everything as hard as he can. Tamby addressed the touhgness situation this summer but I still do not believe they are tough enough up front to be a good playoff team

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#14 Hemmertime
October 16 2010, 03:20PM
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"Has Thornton made any of his teammates that much better? I can think of Jonathon Cheechoo for two years and that is it. Thornton is great regular season player, but has yet to be a true impact player in crunch time. "

Are you serious? Has he made anyone better? He is the prime example of making your teammates better, only other one that does so as much is Crosby. Thornton is the #1 scorer in the NHL since the lockout (still up 10 pts at start of this season on Ovechkin and Crosby). He definitely could have gotten more than 7. Well, GMs are starting to be smarter under the cap system - it might be slightly harder than 2-3 years ago but he could easily find 7.5-8.5. Especially if he is willing to accept a term of three years at 31 years old. Rick Nash never won anything and hes at 7.8 cap hit (side note: Thornton would look beautiful playing with Nash). Spezza, 7 mil, Drury, 7 mil (though I hate to use him as example). I dont see how "winning the cup" has a huge effect on salary, might make a 200-500k different but when Thornton cut himself shorts 1-1.5 mil I don't think it was a factor.

Big Joe is one of the top 3 C in the league. If people want to argue that point, he is unarguably in the top 6.

*Edit, forgot about Drury's cup in COL, if he was there at the time. But I dont think the fact "Drury won the cup being a peon to Sakic and Forsberg 12 years ago" factored into his retarded salary.

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#15 Wanye
October 16 2010, 03:24PM
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And look at the Oilers baby! It infers the lineup of the Oilers are mere happy toddlers! Such scathing commentary in photographic form! BAHAHAHAHA

*wipes eyes again*

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#16 Rogue
October 16 2010, 03:33PM
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JG, whats the word on Brule? Ankles don't heal quickly, he should be sitting out and getting healthy. This is another by product of keeping 3 goalies around. It limits you a 14th forward. And what benefit is this to DD and JDD, not playing does nothing for development and confidence.

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#17 Hemmertime
October 16 2010, 03:49PM
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Though props to Big Joe, he signed early. He probably enjoys the SJ weather, the lack of being lynched for playoff losses every year, and believes they have a chance at winning.

He (probably) could have gotten more on UFA but he got all of that junk out of the way early in the season. Now we don't have to listen to "Thornton for X" trade rumors near the deadline when he has no intention of going anywhere.

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#18 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 16 2010, 03:52PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

"Has Thornton made any of his teammates that much better? I can think of Jonathon Cheechoo for two years and that is it. Thornton is great regular season player, but has yet to be a true impact player in crunch time. "

Are you serious? Has he made anyone better? He is the prime example of making your teammates better, only other one that does so as much is Crosby. Thornton is the #1 scorer in the NHL since the lockout (still up 10 pts at start of this season on Ovechkin and Crosby). He definitely could have gotten more than 7. Well, GMs are starting to be smarter under the cap system - it might be slightly harder than 2-3 years ago but he could easily find 7.5-8.5. Especially if he is willing to accept a term of three years at 31 years old. Rick Nash never won anything and hes at 7.8 cap hit (side note: Thornton would look beautiful playing with Nash). Spezza, 7 mil, Drury, 7 mil (though I hate to use him as example). I dont see how "winning the cup" has a huge effect on salary, might make a 200-500k different but when Thornton cut himself shorts 1-1.5 mil I don't think it was a factor.

Big Joe is one of the top 3 C in the league. If people want to argue that point, he is unarguably in the top 6.

*Edit, forgot about Drury's cup in COL, if he was there at the time. But I dont think the fact "Drury won the cup being a peon to Sakic and Forsberg 12 years ago" factored into his retarded salary.

Interestingly enough almost every player that came to the Pens (or left the Pens) put up almost the exact same numbers before and after Crosby.

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#19 Woogie
October 16 2010, 04:07PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

"Has Thornton made any of his teammates that much better? I can think of Jonathon Cheechoo for two years and that is it. Thornton is great regular season player, but has yet to be a true impact player in crunch time. "

Are you serious? Has he made anyone better? He is the prime example of making your teammates better, only other one that does so as much is Crosby. Thornton is the #1 scorer in the NHL since the lockout (still up 10 pts at start of this season on Ovechkin and Crosby). He definitely could have gotten more than 7. Well, GMs are starting to be smarter under the cap system - it might be slightly harder than 2-3 years ago but he could easily find 7.5-8.5. Especially if he is willing to accept a term of three years at 31 years old. Rick Nash never won anything and hes at 7.8 cap hit (side note: Thornton would look beautiful playing with Nash). Spezza, 7 mil, Drury, 7 mil (though I hate to use him as example). I dont see how "winning the cup" has a huge effect on salary, might make a 200-500k different but when Thornton cut himself shorts 1-1.5 mil I don't think it was a factor.

Big Joe is one of the top 3 C in the league. If people want to argue that point, he is unarguably in the top 6.

*Edit, forgot about Drury's cup in COL, if he was there at the time. But I dont think the fact "Drury won the cup being a peon to Sakic and Forsberg 12 years ago" factored into his retarded salary.

Very well said. I couldn't agree with you more.

What are you doing tonight? Want to talk "hockey"?

A/S/L?

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#20 pest
October 16 2010, 04:25PM
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flamesnation link doesnt work.

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#21 Kaiser Wilhelm
October 16 2010, 04:25PM
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Wanye wrote:

Look how old that Flames player is! BAHAHAHAHA

*wipes tears from eyes*

Isn't that Ralph Klein?

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#22 Victoria
October 16 2010, 04:30PM
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pest wrote:

flamesnation link doesnt work.

They didn't think anyone would actually try.

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#23 Wanye
October 16 2010, 04:48PM
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pest wrote:

flamesnation link doesnt work.

FIXED!

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#24 Milli
October 16 2010, 04:53PM
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I think Thorton could have gotten more, but I do not think he is worth it. The guy cannot get it done at crunch time.

Hope this game is awesome, maybe 4 - 0 again!!! Some big tilts, let's go boys!

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#25 OilFan
October 16 2010, 05:15PM
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Stuck watching Habs Sens game holy @#$@ I'm pumped for the game tonight. Big Mac's time to shine. Hope some one goes after Glencross for running our tender in game 1.

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#26 sizedoesmatter
October 16 2010, 07:31PM
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Re;paying more than seven mil for Joe Thorton.I for one am glad we are not over payin for sloppy seconds anymore.Time to grow our own. And I hope struds dresses tonight he,s not afraid to hit somone for no reason

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#27 ubermiguel
October 16 2010, 07:41PM
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zach wrote:

Who does this Brodie think he is wearing #66?

You know, a couple of guys have worn #9 since Maurice Richard. Only one number has been retired league wide.

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#28 Wanyes bastard child
October 16 2010, 07:51PM
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Kent Wilson has a live interactive feed going on for the game here

http://flamesnation.ca/

for the flames fans. Im representing the almighty, you guys should check it out... no trolling tho ;)

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#29 Milli
October 16 2010, 08:17PM
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I can see Staios paying a price tonight!

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#30 jybute
October 16 2010, 08:25PM
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Staios knocks down Hall way after the whistle... Is it just me.... Or should someone not have a word with (our former no5 that would never do anything like that while he was here) Staios??

They scored right after so I guess it's not all bad

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#31 Milli
October 16 2010, 08:34PM
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Gotta love Staios!

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#32 Wanyes bastard child
October 16 2010, 08:41PM
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I don't understand Renney putting 2 forwards out to kill a 5 on 3. Don't you generally want to have 2 defenceman?

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#33 Dutchscooter
October 16 2010, 08:47PM
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More turnovers than a German bakery out there....

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#34 Archaeologuy
October 16 2010, 08:50PM
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True Story, I hate Glenn Healey almost as much as I hate Cassie Campbell

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#35 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 08:50PM
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Holy crap. I can't believe that we killed off that PK.

Hey who likes to sing!

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I447ZxUKjYI&feature=related

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#36 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 08:52PM
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Dutchscooter wrote:

More turnovers than a German bakery out there....

HA!

Thats some good ol' fashioned ol' timey humor there pal.

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#37 Archaeologuy
October 16 2010, 09:04PM
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Gagner gets an assist, Penner Scores, Calgary Defenseman leaves injured.

Sweet.

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#38 Archaeologuy
October 16 2010, 09:05PM
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~Trade Gagner!!~

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#39 Chris.
October 16 2010, 09:06PM
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Ian White involved in another hi-light reel scoring play.

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#40 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 09:06PM
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Bank shot

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#41 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 09:07PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Gagner gets an assist, Penner Scores, Calgary Defenseman leaves injured.

Sweet.

Could it get any better that that?

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#42 Archaeologuy
October 16 2010, 09:09PM
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If Big Mac doesnt pound Morrison's face into mush then I will consider his job unfulfilled.

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#43 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 09:11PM
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are you kidding me?.....

*facepalm*

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#44 Archaeologuy
October 16 2010, 09:14PM
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Paajarvi!!??!!??

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#45 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 09:14PM
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Kevin weak..... why can't Ray Ferarro do every game ever.

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#46 Chris.
October 16 2010, 09:16PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Paajarvi!!??!!??

Paajarvi!

*Nods with a smile.*

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#47 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 09:17PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen . Mr. Magnus Paajarvi

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#48 Eric Johnson
October 16 2010, 09:18PM
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I gave this girl a steaming Hemsky once...

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#49 Shorty
October 16 2010, 09:19PM
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@Eric Johnson

if they talk about "moxy" one more time i might puke

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#50 Archaeologuy
October 16 2010, 09:21PM
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Khabibulin is having a very Dubnyk-like night out there.

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