Shopping List

Lowetide
October 25 2010 06:28PM

This is Wayne Cashman. He was a load. Tough in the corners, a mile past filthy and skilled enough to run with Esposito. A "Cashman-type" is at the top of the shopping list for the current Edmonton Oilers. Along with "????? to Hall" and "amazing stop by ????" and "Oilers most complete defenseman" is the need for a guy just like Wayne Cashman.

KNOW YOUR ROLE

As this season rolls along we can begin to see a clearer future. Taylor Hall brings ridiculous skill and determination, and may grow into a more physical role; Eberle brings the clever moves and the sixth sense on positioning;  Pääjärvi in the role of rapido.

Now that the team has 3 potential offensive leaders years from their peak, the next step is to find complementary talents.

There are three current Oilers who can run with the kids when they mature (barring injury). Ales Hemsky is an outstanding offensive player in the NHL, contributing an enormous amount to the most difficult item on the agenda - scoring goals.

Dustin Penner brings size and an impressive touch around the net, and as he showed at times a year ago he can carry a team for stretches.

Sam Gagner is the one potential "man in the middle" for the 5 men mentioned above. His exceptional ability to make passes in tight areas should prove beneficial for one of the three kids and he's been a good offensive partner for Penner.

After that, we have the aged (Horcoff) and the running-in-place (Cogliano) up the middle. One possible solution at center on the skill lines is Gilbert Brule. He doesn't bring the two-way ability of a Shawn Horcoff, but Brule has some jam and can score goals, a very valuable skill.

The shopping list for ST and the MBS should be a strong winger with Cashman's skill and gumption and a center who can dish butter passes to Taylor Hall for the next decade unless Gagner's the answer.

The blueline needs a complete talent. Someone who can move the puck via the pass or shank's pony, and also possesses the size and strength to sway the conversation in front of the net and along the boards. A big shot from the point and offensive creativity would be a nice addition to the resume, but we shouldn't be greedy about it.

Oiler fans well remember the exceptional impact Chris Pronger had spring 2006, and that is exactly the player-type this team needs to acquire before they can contend for the Stanley.

The Oilers have drafted exactly two elite level goaltenders and they came at about the same time. The current depth chart features an aging veteran and two guys the new coach is working hard to evaluate without actually trusting them at all. It's either funny or tragic.

The Oilers could do themselves a big favor by drafting and developing a well priced goaltender who can start 50+ games a season and give them a chance to win every night. Investing large cap funds on veteran G's means the team will no doubt have holes elsewhere.

NOTE: Edmonton may have addressed this situation (at least partly) with the drafting of young Q goalie Olivier Roy. He's off to a nice start in the QMJHL this season and is building a nice resume at the amateur level.

CONSIDER THE LIST

As the fall gives way to winter, and we spend long nights gazing at the 2010-11 Edmonton Oilers, it is important to keep the "shopping list" top of mind: filthy skill winger; C who can turn at least one of the kids into a 40+ goal scorer; a complete defender and a value-wise goalie whose SP is north of .915 most seasons.

In the coming weeks, we'll discuss names like Sean Couturier, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Adam Larsson, Gabriel Landeskog, David Musil and others. One of them will probably join the Oilers department of youth in the next couple of seasons; it is extremely likely the name called by Edmonton at the 2011 entry draft will have a scouting report that resembles one of the needs listed above.

It's going to be a fun winter.

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#51 SumOil
October 26 2010, 07:33AM
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Lowetide wrote:

TC: I'm looking forward to this season. It's going to be fun watching these kids progress and the trade deadline should be a blast.

Having said that, one of the things we should be talking about during a rebuild is the draft. We're just beginning to get a glimpse of 2011 draft.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2010-10-22-chl-top-ten-prospects_N.htm

I doubt that the trade deadline would be much fun. Other than Vandermeer, we dont really have anyone one else on an expiring contract. Unless we are dangling Brule and of course Cogliano. The time to do good was during the waiver period where we should have taken players like Ritola and Pelech. But tambo was busy "assessing".

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#54 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 26 2010, 08:11AM
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C-DOG wrote:

What did you think of Logan Couture's game Saturday night considering he's playing with 3rd liners, and this play by Setoguchi when he was 10-15 feet behind Gagne and still caught him.

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20102011,2,110

You've reached the point of obsessive compulsive. You to Gagner is now the equivalent of guys like Tracktor, Kip and cow-bell to Horcoff.

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#55 C-DOG
October 26 2010, 08:47AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Yes, you are probobly right, not only Gagne but that whole position, Cog's & the TERM of Horcoffs salary, not the cap hit, his term should of been married to Hemsky's, but there are enough people hateing on them, so I've backed off of them.

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#56 Ryan2
October 26 2010, 09:05AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

As I've said before, the 2014 Stanley Cup champion Edmonton Oilers still need a 2nd line centre. I see no reason why that cant be Sam Gagner (assuming the Oil draft another #1 centreman). Until they have better younger options at C1 and C2, I cant see a scenario where Gagner gets moved.

I agree the team will need a #2 centreman and it could very well be Gagner. My point is that noone is really untouchable right now other than the 3 kids, and if the right package were to come around for Gagner or anyone else (including Hemmer likely as well) then Tambi would have to consider it.

WRT the future, if someone like Pitlick (although, will be play centre or wing in the NHL?) with more size could fill that #2 spot, and we ended up landing the #1 pick this year and grabbed Couturier then it puts Gagner in a tenuous spot. That being said, there would still likely be room for Gagner if he can show marked improvement this season (which will be tough with our d-corps IMHO). There is nothing wrong, other than the potential cap consequences (hello Pittsburgh!), if we are 3 deep with skilled and effective centremen plus a 4th line face-off and PK specialist.

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#57 Lochenzo
October 26 2010, 09:19AM
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I do not doubt that we will land one of these highly touted prospects this year. I would prefer that they land two! Stud centre and stud Dman. You don't win Cups without both of these. (Carolina the exception with a solid D but no stud. Cam Ward made up the difference though).

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#58 madjam
October 26 2010, 09:20AM
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Start rotating our AHL talent and speed up assessing process and lack of intensity showing up already . If that, and Renney unable to get team moving in right direction then maybe Katz might visit replacing management ? Who knows what course a new upper management might take us ? Any where upwards would be a nice start .

Ahl level players on PK doing quite the acceptable job . They might just bring some intensity and neede enthusism back into club on a short term basis , while underperformers sit upstairs reevaluating their lack of production,enthusism , etc..

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#59 Matt Henderson
October 26 2010, 09:37AM
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@Ryan2

I agree that Gagner will be in a tenuous spot (as far as being a C goes) if the Oil draft a big future 1C and someone develops into a physical 2C. My only point is that, until those things happen, trading Gagner turns an Organizational deficiency into an Organizational Pit of Despair.

The way I see it there are a whack of young (under 25) wingers in the organization with NHL upside. The Oilers have a few less young players at Defense, but still have Petry, Plante, Chorney, and Marincin in the system. Goaltending has fewer openings so one of Dubnyk, Deslauriers, Gerber, or Roy should prove to be a capable player for the Oilers backing up Khabibulin (assuming someone makes a decision at some time).

BUT, at Centre the list drops off pretty quick after the players who are already on the NHL club. That leaves maybe Pitlick as the next best Oiler prospect who can crack the top 6 as a Centre, and he's playing his juniour campaign as a winger this season. So while he isnt untouchable, the only way I see Gagner moved is if the return completely out-weighs decimating the club's depth at centre.

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#60 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 26 2010, 09:46AM
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I think the team should be planning on having Pitlick at 3C. 3-4 years down the line.

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#61 Matt Henderson
October 26 2010, 09:49AM
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Dominoiler wrote:

at 1:30, setoguchi races back from 10-15 ft behind gagner to cream him into the boards...

Yeah, I found it. That was the play where Gagner intercepted Setoguchi's pass and turned up ice. Setoguchi had taken 3 strides before Gagner even got the puck, so I kinda expect him to catch up to Gagner in that situation. Setoguchi had a lot of tenacity showing in that play, but it's hardly one where you can blame Gagner for anything.

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#62 Ball Buster
October 26 2010, 10:00AM
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C-DOG wrote:

Yes, you are probobly right, not only Gagne but that whole position, Cog's & the TERM of Horcoffs salary, not the cap hit, his term should of been married to Hemsky's, but there are enough people hateing on them, so I've backed off of them.

It's GagneR . . . with an "R" at the end.

Seriously, I'm assuming you read the article and everyone's replies to your posts . . . you must have noticed, right?

Or are you being deliberately obtuse?

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I forget who brought it up, maybe Willis yesterday, but there is the idea that Khabibulin is showing enough value in these early stages to consider trading him some time in the next month or two and NOT taking back another goalie. Letting Dubnyk and DesLauriers fight it out for #1-#2. Khabibulin here or not, does the Oilers chance of being in playoff position contention change? My answer is no.

My unrealistic trade wishes of the month:

Khabibulin for Jeff Carter

Cogliano for Wheeler

Penner for Wisniewski

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#63 SumOil
October 26 2010, 10:19AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I agree that Gagner will be in a tenuous spot (as far as being a C goes) if the Oil draft a big future 1C and someone develops into a physical 2C. My only point is that, until those things happen, trading Gagner turns an Organizational deficiency into an Organizational Pit of Despair.

The way I see it there are a whack of young (under 25) wingers in the organization with NHL upside. The Oilers have a few less young players at Defense, but still have Petry, Plante, Chorney, and Marincin in the system. Goaltending has fewer openings so one of Dubnyk, Deslauriers, Gerber, or Roy should prove to be a capable player for the Oilers backing up Khabibulin (assuming someone makes a decision at some time).

BUT, at Centre the list drops off pretty quick after the players who are already on the NHL club. That leaves maybe Pitlick as the next best Oiler prospect who can crack the top 6 as a Centre, and he's playing his juniour campaign as a winger this season. So while he isnt untouchable, the only way I see Gagner moved is if the return completely out-weighs decimating the club's depth at centre.

I dont understand all this outright dismissal of Gagner. He has till now proved to be an adequate top 6 center. Our organisational strength is at the wing. So if our wingers do develop into what we expect, then we only need adequate centers who are good enough to get them the puck and bail them out defensively. Seriously how many stars can you really afford on a team?

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#64 Ryan14
October 26 2010, 10:40AM
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Shadi: I think the real question is, where would Chicago be had they not signed campbell and huet to such albatross contracts. Smart signings have just as much, if not more to do with cap management than strategic ELC maneuvering (on a side note, what is more important, player development or staggering ELC's?).

Look at Washington. none of their big name players are on ELC's, and they are going to be a top contender for a few years yet.

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#65 Junker4ce
October 26 2010, 11:41AM
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Anybody else hear that Souray broke his had last night in a fight. Poetic justice is quite sweet.

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#66 Ender
October 26 2010, 11:51AM
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Souray hurt again . . .

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

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#67 Chris.
October 26 2010, 12:08PM
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Ender wrote:

Souray hurt again . . .

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

Actually this kinda sucks. (I was hoping Tambellini could get something for the big lug this offseason)

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#68 madjam
October 26 2010, 12:21PM
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Gagner given opportunity to be a top 6 man this early season . He's not doing very well still at center ice . No guarantee he will remain in top six(at least as a viable adequate center) , if he doesn't find his scoring touch soon . He could lose out to size if we had one in system to push him , or a trade that might drop him down to 3-4 th line services . Like it or not , Horcoff still better than Gagner as first line center producer and has lots more diversity defencesively, etc..

When size and toughness becomes a serious issue with our squad , then just how safe will even Gagner be if he's not producing at an exemplory rate ? He's not what you call a player that should assume he's safe in his position.

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#69 Dan the Man
October 26 2010, 12:23PM
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Here is the Souray fight...it's a pretty good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o6IDwa0WeU

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#70 Dan the Man
October 26 2010, 12:26PM
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Chris. wrote:

Actually this kinda sucks. (I was hoping Tambellini could get something for the big lug this offseason)

He's only supposed to be out 2 weeks so a deal in the off season should still be possible.

Although 2 weeks in actual time translates to about 28 weeks in Souray time.

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#71 Woody in the 403
October 26 2010, 12:42PM
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Can anybody solve a mystery for me?...I live in Lethbridge and am ma Telus digital cable subscriber. The game tonite is supposed to be on Sportsnet West (Telus channels 111 or 665) but as I scroll through all of the various Sportsnet channels, both regular and high def, I cannot for the life of me see the BOA in the programming lineup for tonite? I see the Oilers website indicates that the game is only available on the radio yet the Flames website list Sportsnet West as carrying the game?!?

What am I missing here?

Any direction would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

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#72 Ball Buster
October 26 2010, 12:49PM
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@Woody in the 403

It should be on the Sportsnet One Flames companion channel.

That's where I'll be checking (channel 360 for Shaw SD)

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#73 Ball Buster
October 26 2010, 12:52PM
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Chris. wrote:

Actually this kinda sucks. (I was hoping Tambellini could get something for the big lug this offseason)

That's terrible news.

Waiver order resets next week. I think a deal could have been made with two of the teams currently near the bottom of the league standings.

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#74 Oilers89
October 26 2010, 12:53PM
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@Ball Buster

It's not listed on the Flames channel on my shaw guide, the only channel it is on is the NHL Centre Ice channel. Maybe the guide just isn't updated right so it is actually going to be on sportsnet west.

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#75 Ender
October 26 2010, 01:24PM
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Chris. wrote:

Actually this kinda sucks. (I was hoping Tambellini could get something for the big lug this offseason)

Ah, it's all good. This is just something else for Shelly to remember this offseason when Tambi can't negotiate a bag of pucks for the 'big lug'. You think Shelly wants to spend another season of this in the AHL next year? This is insurance; if we can't get a deal done with someone next summer, Shelly and Tambi will get together for a good ol' fashioned contract burning.

In the meantime, watching Shelly bust himself up in the minors for nothing is as much entertainment as watching the Oilers.

PS:
Shawn Belle: 9pts
Jeff Petry: 6 pts
Richard Petiot: 4 pts
Sheldon Souray: 3 pts
Hahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

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#76 Tayranchula
October 26 2010, 01:30PM
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It would be nice if the Oilers could find a player like a Lucic, Clowe etc...Someone that can score, skate, hit and fight cuz Iv always been a fan of those types of players. Now if only Penner can hit, he would be a scary player. The Oilers should show Penner videos of Lindros everyday, maybe that could make him give a sh!t For the record i picked Penner as my goat and he is slowly starting to live up to it

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#77 Ender
October 26 2010, 01:43PM
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Tayranchula wrote:

i picked Penner as my goat and he is slowly starting to live up to it

Welcome to the club. Here's a picture of our President.

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#78 Lofty
October 26 2010, 01:44PM
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Ender wrote:

Souray hurt again . . .

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

I wanna know why the hell he was fighting? Did something happen and Souray was obligated to drop the gloves or was he just bored?

What benefit could come from him fighting in the AHL? He's gonna have a long line of AHL kids that wanna prove themselves and dance with him if they know he's willing.

If the guy really wanted to get back to the NHL this wouldn't have happened...

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#79 Evilstu
October 26 2010, 02:10PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...i completely agree...that avatar of yours?...is that you all liquored up grinning into buddy's camera checkin' out some chicks cheeks at the company BBQ?

very nice

... but why so much wasted energy over one word...not to mention the waste of space you took up 'splaining your wasted anger on all of us. There are probably many good traditional reasons why that word is so revered here but you sir are simply not blog worthy of imparting any of that information on you right this season!...can't you see we're all busy here rebuilding?

so, with that being said ( i loath that over used phrase and there should be a moratorium on it for a day starting today )

but really evilstu...you know we love ya man, just chill & know that outbursts of Anger Like Yours are usually met with hilarity and ridicule... try to have a nice day cranky pants :)

Bahaha.....well said and point well taken.

My pants were cranky, and festering.....but now are downy soft and whyskey stained.

As for the avatar, boozy night, ladies butt, and my finger. Thats it...

Looking forward to the game, far to many hours to kill before game time.

Can't wait for Halls first goal in the second period.

Go Mighty Oil.

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#80 C-DOG
October 26 2010, 02:22PM
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Ryan14 wrote:

Shadi: I think the real question is, where would Chicago be had they not signed campbell and huet to such albatross contracts. Smart signings have just as much, if not more to do with cap management than strategic ELC maneuvering (on a side note, what is more important, player development or staggering ELC's?).

Look at Washington. none of their big name players are on ELC's, and they are going to be a top contender for a few years yet.

I think Horcoff and Gilbert's contracts are almost as bad as Cambell and Huet's, and they were willing to put Huet in the minors, are the Oilers willing to do the same with Horcoff?? Malkin would of been a 8.7 cap hit instead of a 3.75, thats 5 mill of depth for a team that already lacked it. It does delay the rebuild but gives you a better chance to win the whole thing instead of just competeing like Washington, plus Washington situation is a little different, AO was drafted before the lockout and was 20 in his rookie season.

Fans are so excited to see them after going through the last few seasons, I think patients has a lot to do with why most want them here now, they want to see something, anything. I have all the patients in the world for a legit cup contender.

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#81 C-DOG
October 26 2010, 02:25PM
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Ball Buster wrote:

It's GagneR . . . with an "R" at the end.

Seriously, I'm assuming you read the article and everyone's replies to your posts . . . you must have noticed, right?

Or are you being deliberately obtuse?

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I forget who brought it up, maybe Willis yesterday, but there is the idea that Khabibulin is showing enough value in these early stages to consider trading him some time in the next month or two and NOT taking back another goalie. Letting Dubnyk and DesLauriers fight it out for #1-#2. Khabibulin here or not, does the Oilers chance of being in playoff position contention change? My answer is no.

My unrealistic trade wishes of the month:

Khabibulin for Jeff Carter

Cogliano for Wheeler

Penner for Wisniewski

Sorry, I don't get the first part.

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#82 pelhem grenville
October 26 2010, 02:48PM
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...we're on the same page bud...we both want the kid to score his FIST!!!!!!

HEEHAW!!!!

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#83 Reach Advantage
October 26 2010, 09:51PM
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Not too many Cashman types anymore are there.

Lucic is maybe a modern day similarity

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#84 Microsoft Office 2007
November 05 2010, 09:35PM
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