Tracking 2010

Lowetide
October 31 2010 08:13AM

It takes years to properly evaluate a specific draft year. However, we can count the arrows (good and bad) for each player in a specific draft and the 2010 Oilers entry draft is tracking extremely well. We've discussed Taylor Hall, Martin Marincin and Curtis Hamilton in past weeks, and in the last 7 days Ryan Martindale has joined the party.
 

The last entry draft for the Oilers that we can safely close the books on is 2002. Jarrett Stoll and Matt Greene are solid NHL players and Jeff Deslauriers is still trying to establish himself. The other 12 players selected by Kevin Prendergast and the scouting department include a couple of interesting items (including Jesse Niinimaki--he's posting some good numbers in Finland and I wouldn't rule out an NHL team giving him a shot) but we can probably make the call on the 2002 draft. However, from 2003 through 2010 there are too many variables, too many pages unwritten for any kind of conclusion to be drawn at this point in time.

We can say that the 2010 entry draft is tracking like a lion.

  • 1st overall: Taylor Hall. 9gp, 2-3-5 in the toughest league in the world, and sky's the limit. Watching a first overall pick play his first NHL season is a unique experience--it's equal parts worry and anticipation--and I think this fellow is going to do some amazing things  in the next few seasons.
  • 31st overall: Tyler Pitlick. 9gp, 3-7-10 in the WHL with Medicine Hat. Pitlick received a suspension this week (3 games) for a kneeing infraction against Nathan Deck of Prine Albert. Deck will reportedly miss 4-6 weeks because of the injury (torn MCL).
  • 46th overall: Martin Marincin. If you watched Oil Change in the last 10 days, then you know that the organization seriously considered taking this player at 31st overall. The Magnificent Bastard said "we need defensemen" and it looks like the scouting department hit an early home run here. 16gp, 7-11-18 with Prince George puts him in a tie for 21st overall in league scoring. He went 3gp, 1-2-3 -1 this past week.
  • 48th overall: Curtis Hamilton. 14gp, 6-10-16 with Saskatoon Blades. Hamilton's offense has dried up in the last 10 days (he was 7gp, 3-7-10 in the season's first two weeks) but he's in the top 10 plus minus and the big item for this player is health. Hamilton has played in all of the Blades games.
  • 61st overall: Ryan Martindale. The Ottawa 67 center had a strong week (4gp, 3-4-7 +4) and now ranks 11th in OHL scoring (16gp, 8-12-20). He's 2-5-7 on the PP.
  • 91st overall: Jeremie Blain. 2gp, 0-1-1 for Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL). Titian GM Sylvain Couturier: "Blain is a key player for us and he's only played two games so far." Injury is a major prospect killer, and this young man is losing key development time.
  • 121st overall: G Tyler Bunz. 7gp, 2.99 .897SP for Medicine Hat. His SP ranks him 19th in the WHL, although his GAA puts him higher (13th). The other goalie (the incredibly named Deven Dubyk) has a .923SP so Bunz numbers don't stand out all things considered.
  • 162nd overall: D Brandon Davidson. 15gp, 1-8-9 with Regina (WHL). 3gp, 0-1-1 +2 this past week, as his team seems to be settling down a little after a monstrous start. Hard to evaluate at this early juncture, but he's putting up points and is certainly one of the team's top defenders.
  • 166th overall: L Drew Czerwanka. 15gp, 5-4-9 for Kootenay (WHL). 4gp, 1-2-3 -2 this week, he's now surpassed his goal scoring total from one year ago (4 in 54go). An interesting prospect, hard to get a complete read on him when browsing his scoring lines in the WHL.
  • 181st overall: C Kristians Pelss. 14gp, 1-1-2 with the Oil Kings (WHL). A quiet week (zip in 3gp) and he hasn't hit the scoresheet since October 9th. It's important to remember that players drafted at this point (181st overall) are extreme longshots to play in the NHL. The Oilers scouting department saw something in him, and there's almost always an adjustment period for these kids (Pelss was in Belarus a year ago). His 2nd half could be much better.
  • 202nd overall: L Kellen Jones. 6gp, 3-3-6 with Quinnipiac (NCAA). 20-year old leads his team in scoring and is having an immediate impact. There's a quick story on Jones and his brother here.

Although we're just 4 months beyond the draft, there's already some strong tells among the group. Taylor Hall looks capable of playing at the NHL level, Marincin is dominant in the WHL, Hamilton, Pitlick and Martindale are also doing good things in the CHL. Blain's injury and Bunz average play are the first bumps on the draft list, but Davidson and Czerwonka make the later rounds interesting. Pelss and Jones are "draft and follow" types that we'll be watching with interest years down the road.

That 2002 entry draft gave the Oilers two solid NHL players (Stoll, Greene) and a perennial goaltender prospect in JDD. The 2010 draft needs about 8 years to give us the same kind of focus, but we can say with some confidence that the kids drafted in the top 70 are tracking well out of the box.

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#1 Steve Smith
October 31 2010, 01:50PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Having 3 top 10 picks and not getting a #1Center or #1D-Man is inexcusable.

Regardless of the Oilers draft position in 2011 BPA theory has got to go.

So let's say the BPA when the Oilers pick is "Bob", a winger, but the Oilers instead take the best defenseman available, "Joe". Are you really going to be sanguine about watching Bob light it up for another team because you happened to have a round hole into which Joe was the better fit?

If a team has a good enough base of great players at any position, free agents will be willing to sign there to fill in the gaps. It's convenient when the BPA happens to fill a positional need, but you can't pass up a better player because of what you think your positional needs might be four years down the road, when the draft pick can be expected to contribute at the NHL level.

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#2 commonfan13
October 31 2010, 08:42PM
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Sometimes I wonder if TBay fans still have Stamkos-Doughty arguments.

Then I remember TBay doesn't have any fans.

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#3 Crash
October 31 2010, 11:06PM
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I can't believe Oiler fans aren't on the Hall bandwagon yet, I can't believe Tyler Seguin is still talked about so much in here...he's a Boston Bruin...

It does amaze me how so many people can get caught up in one good season. This was a very dangerous proposition in my mind...the Oilers got it right, they went for the winner, they went for the guy who competes when the chips are down, they went for the guy who has shown consistency over and over again...

I don't get this 5 on 5 arguement, what is the basis for this makes Seguin a better player? Is it possible Seguin got to play more minutes than Hall 5 on 5 because he was on a weaker team? How is it that you can claim Seguin is a better player because he produced more ONE season 5 on 5. Did he maybe manage some points off of faceoffs wins? Just what is this broad statment about 5 on 5 and what does it prove? If he is the better player then why didn't he produce more on the PP too? And just how weak was this team (Plymouth) that finished 4th in the eastern conference? They couldn't have been that bad could they to finish that high? If I'm not mistaken Seguin wasn't the ONLY good player they had.

What is the basis for Seguin produced with lesser linemates? On one hand you guys say that makes him better because Hall had better linemates and then on the other hand you talk about how it doesn't really matter about linemates because Crosby didn't make his wingers better. So which is it and who are these great linemates that Hall had? Did any of them make the NHL this year? Are any of them tearing up the AHL right now? Uhhhh, no, they aren't.

Also for anyone that has played a lot of hockey in their lives, especially at higher levels you would likely know that centers stand a much better chance of producing points than wingers do, simply because for the most part they have more time with the puck than either winger and they also take faceoffs which can lead directly to points. If a winger is producing as much as a center is, chances are that winger is a better player than that center is. So the fact that Seguin couldn't outscore Hall while enjoying having the advantage of playing center is another reason to take Hall. Everyone also forgets that Hall played 6 less games than Seguin did this past year. I would hazard a guess that Hall just may have produced some points in those 6 games and won the scoring race outright, with relative ease.

Frankly I'm surprised it took the Oilers scouting staff so long to figure it out and that it took not only the 3 consecutive consistent seasons by Hall to convince them but that Hall had to produce yet another Mem Cup MVP before they finally went his way.

I can't believe we're still on this Seguin thing and that anytime he does anything we get updates on it. While we're at it, why don't we update when Jeff Skinner does anything? We could have taken him too or Alex Burmistrov.

Hey Oiler fans, rejoice, we have a great hockey player on our team and the guy is a proven winner. He also seems genuinely thrilled to be playing here....I hope he's here for a long time, but who knows, there will be some that will probably want to run him out of town in the next 3 yrs, similar to what it seems is starting to happen to Gagner.

Heck I think there are already some that want to run him out of town.

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#6 Dave
October 31 2010, 08:35AM
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Peckham looks like he may be able to play the role that Greene once did.

Those numbers for Marincin seem incredible for a WHL defenceman and it will be very interesting to see how he progresses as it appears that defenceman too are able to step in and play at a younger age then in the past and boy was MBS right about what the Oilers need.

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#7 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
October 31 2010, 09:46AM
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We need Deven Dubyk.

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#9 Ryan14
October 31 2010, 04:29PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Having 3 top 10 picks and not getting a #1Center or #1D-Man is inexcusable.

Regardless of the Oilers draft position in 2011 BPA theory has got to go.

I wish, instead of Eberle, the Oilers drafted Daulten Leuville, or Peter Holland instead of MP. Stu really pooped the bed when he drafted those 2. I mean look at Leuville and Holland. 2 of the best young centers in the game right now.

You are really starting to look like a fool on these boards. Your disdain for Hall is making you look like you have no hockey intelligence whatsoever. 1st round pick does not equal first line, starting goalie, #1 d-man.

If you educated yourself, you probably wouldn't be so full of hate.

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#10 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 31 2010, 07:26PM
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From a Brownlee blog, June 25th:

"I came to the conclusion about three weeks ago that it was Taylor," said MacGregor. "I felt very comfortable with that . . . all the information came together and it was really comfortable for me. Our staff was strong on Taylor. I hadn't told any of the guys where I stood, then I laid it out today"

Nice try Shadi :0

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#12 DSF
October 31 2010, 08:57PM
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commonfan13 wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if TBay fans still have Stamkos-Doughty arguments.

Then I remember TBay doesn't have any fans.

Avg.home attendance so far this season:

TB - 15,616.

Not too bad for a city that has an NFL team in a battle for their division.

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#13 Mike Modano's Dog
October 31 2010, 08:51AM
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I can't wait to see the World Juniors this year - again!

Marincin is with the Czech Republic, right? He has to be on the team, doesn't he?

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#15 Krafty
October 31 2010, 09:05AM
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Wow, when its all laid out like this, its crazy to see how much they love the Dub, lota players over there right now.

I think we can honestly say that this is the best draft year weve have in many many years, the top 3-4 look to have a good chance at NHL time, and all but the last 2 will most likely spend a few seasons on the farm at the very least.

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#16 Alex87
October 31 2010, 10:22AM
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LT - if you're Renney/Tambellini do you put Marincin in the AHL next year, or do you send him back to junior for another year? He looks like he's more than up to the challenge of the dub and he could technically be playing in the AHL already.

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#17 Dennis
October 31 2010, 10:48AM
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Hello, LT. I'm a longtime listener and first-time caller.

Other people on other websites have differing opinions. Should they be considered?

Have a nice Sunday,

Dennis

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#18 Dan the Man
October 31 2010, 11:33AM
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These updates are fantastic LT, keep them coming.

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#19 Bruce
October 31 2010, 11:35AM
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I had an opportunity to see the Oil Kings play both Prince George and Medicine Hat, and all three of Marinicin, Pitlick and Bunz looked like real solid prospects. Marincin in particular looked astonishingly composed and accomplished for a guy playing one of his first games on this side of the pond (this was three weeks ago). I was initially pretty surprised when he went #1 overall in the CHL Import Draft but he sure looks to be covering the bet and then some.

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#21 @NateInVegas
October 31 2010, 12:14PM
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Having 3 top 10 picks and not getting a #1Center or #1D-Man is inexcusable.

Regardless of the Oilers draft position in 2011 BPA theory has got to go.

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#22 OF17
October 31 2010, 12:16PM
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It seems like every year Stu out does himself. I can't wait to see what he can pull of next draft.

Marincin is the guy making this draft class truly shine right now. Great job by the scouting staff identifying him and good on Tambellini for getting a deal done. Nash who?

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#24 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 31 2010, 12:25PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Having 3 top 10 picks and not getting a #1Center or #1D-Man is inexcusable.

Regardless of the Oilers draft position in 2011 BPA theory has got to go.

From 2000 to 2005 (probably too early to judge classes later then that) 6 of the 50 top 10 picks have turned into what I would call "#1C/#1D".

So 12%.

What's inexcusable is not realizing the rarity of the the above happening.

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#25 bigrroberto
October 31 2010, 03:09PM
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@Steve Smith

*initiates slow clap*

Well said.

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#26 OF17
October 31 2010, 04:30PM
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Lowetide wrote:

OF: I was and am a big time Nash fan, but that trade looks fabulous at this early juncture. Nash is 10gp, 0-2-2 with Charlotte (AHL) and was pointless his first 8gp.

Oh, I was a huge fan of Nash while he was here. I thought he would be a staple on the third line for many a year and was actually pretty upset at the trade when it went down. Something about trading a #22 for a #46 didn't sit right, and I was hoping the Oilers would try to make amends with Nash, but I've definitely changed my tune on the trade in recent times.

With Pitlick, Lander, Hamilton, etc. in the system, the Oilers still have a bunch of 2-way potential for the bottom six, and Marincin has been fantastic. His early success got me thinking, and I'm starting to come around to the opinion that trading into the second to grab defensemen is overall a great bet.

Let's look at some defensemen taken in the 2nd in recent years:

2004- Nicklas Grossman (56), Alex Goligoski (61) 2003- Kevin Klein (37), Matt Carle (47), Shea Weber (49) 2002- Trevor Daley (43), Matt Greene (44), Duncan Keith (54), Johnny Boychuk (61) 2001- Fedor Tyutin (40), 2000- Nick Schultz (33), Paul Martin (62) 1999- Mike Commodore (42), Jordan Leopold (44)

As you can see, every year there's at least some quality on the blue in the second, and it's possible to hit a huge home run. For all the guys who turn out, there are also plenty more great prospects who don't. If the Oil like a D in the 2nd, by all means make a trade and get him. There's a pretty decent chance it'll work out wonderfully.

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#28 OF17
October 31 2010, 04:40PM
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LT: The blue definitely needs some work. A couple more careful moves like the Marincin one could go a long way towards fixing that though. Adam Larsson certainly shouldn't hurt either :)

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#29 C-DOG
October 31 2010, 06:07PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Having 3 top 10 picks and not getting a #1Center or #1D-Man is inexcusable.

Regardless of the Oilers draft position in 2011 BPA theory has got to go.

You are partially right, at 10 & 22 you have to take BPA, but at 1 & 2 when they are that close and you you already have Eberle/Paajarvi/Hemsky etc... & what Boston would of given up for passing on Hall, it should of been a no brainer. Seguin's doing a lot in a 3rd line role & at 18 is 51% on the dot. Remember this has never been a referendom on Hall, he's great and will put up 90 points/year. It's just not what we need and Stu loved Seguin anyways.

If people were listening closely to Brownlee, it was obvious Stu liked Seguin, but the influence from some scouts/Lowe/Tambilini helped change his mind, and on Oil change Stu suggested that.

This is not on Stu, his job is to tell mngmt who are the BPA, then it's up to Tamb/Lowe to mix the proper ingredients together, this isn't the NBA were you put the 2-3 best superstars, it's more like the NFL were you need to be strong all over the place,no one plays half the game.

Long live the "MB". He's are only hope.

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#30 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 31 2010, 07:10PM
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C-DOG wrote:

You are partially right, at 10 & 22 you have to take BPA, but at 1 & 2 when they are that close and you you already have Eberle/Paajarvi/Hemsky etc... & what Boston would of given up for passing on Hall, it should of been a no brainer. Seguin's doing a lot in a 3rd line role & at 18 is 51% on the dot. Remember this has never been a referendom on Hall, he's great and will put up 90 points/year. It's just not what we need and Stu loved Seguin anyways.

If people were listening closely to Brownlee, it was obvious Stu liked Seguin, but the influence from some scouts/Lowe/Tambilini helped change his mind, and on Oil change Stu suggested that.

This is not on Stu, his job is to tell mngmt who are the BPA, then it's up to Tamb/Lowe to mix the proper ingredients together, this isn't the NBA were you put the 2-3 best superstars, it's more like the NFL were you need to be strong all over the place,no one plays half the game.

Long live the "MB". He's are only hope.

I believe it was reported that the MC changed Stu's mind.

Not the big bad managers.

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#31 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 31 2010, 07:18PM
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C-DOG wrote:

You are partially right, at 10 & 22 you have to take BPA, but at 1 & 2 when they are that close and you you already have Eberle/Paajarvi/Hemsky etc... & what Boston would of given up for passing on Hall, it should of been a no brainer. Seguin's doing a lot in a 3rd line role & at 18 is 51% on the dot. Remember this has never been a referendom on Hall, he's great and will put up 90 points/year. It's just not what we need and Stu loved Seguin anyways.

If people were listening closely to Brownlee, it was obvious Stu liked Seguin, but the influence from some scouts/Lowe/Tambilini helped change his mind, and on Oil change Stu suggested that.

This is not on Stu, his job is to tell mngmt who are the BPA, then it's up to Tamb/Lowe to mix the proper ingredients together, this isn't the NBA were you put the 2-3 best superstars, it's more like the NFL were you need to be strong all over the place,no one plays half the game.

Long live the "MB". He's are only hope.

And what would Boston have given up to pass on Hall?

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#32 Ryan14
October 31 2010, 07:26PM
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@C-DOG

Seguin is 4th on Boston for face-offs taken and is below 50% away from home. He is a benefactor of taking face-offs against the oppositions weaker center men. Not really awe inspiring.

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#33 Archaeologuy
October 31 2010, 07:38PM
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This scouting staff seems to have a good handle on the draft. They're record of late is good. It's hard to argue when all six players on the top 2 lines of the last game (and 5 of the 6 goal-scorers in the last game) were drafted by the Oilers. I'm perfectly fine with BPA. The two players last year were neck and neck with eachother, and I was convinced the BPA was the other kid. Time will tell.

It's pretty clear though that the organization is in need of some quality prospects at the C position though.

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#34 Ducey
October 31 2010, 07:47PM
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My only criticism of the 2010 Oiler draft is Jones. I don't see a 7th round 5'9" overage guy is going to make it (especially on this team that lacks size already). He has to be top 6 at his size.

If they went for someone bigger with some grit they might wind up with a bottom 6 guy or bottom pair Dman. If they get lucky he develops some hands and you wind up with a 2nd or third liner.

The odds are not great with any 7th rounder but I see Jones as having a 0% chance of making it.

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#36 Archaeologuy
October 31 2010, 07:55PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

It seemed to me from the 2nd installment of Oil Change that Stu looked pretty torn to say Taylor Hall's name. I'm not saying that he didnt actually change his mind to Hall, but it was obviously a tough decision.

He did credit the Mem-Cup and his scouts for changing his mind last minute.

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#37 Archaeologuy
October 31 2010, 08:15PM
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@Lowetide

And I'm not suggesting that he was against drafting Hall. My take, based only on the Oil Change footage, was that it was a laboured decision.

I'm not going to start slagging the guy for taking 1 guy over the other. I'm an armchair scout at best. It just bugs me when people talk about that draft like 1 guy was clearly the better of the 2. If that were the case the head scout wouldnt have changed his mind 3 times in a season.

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#39 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 31 2010, 08:22PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

It seemed to me from the 2nd installment of Oil Change that Stu looked pretty torn to say Taylor Hall's name. I'm not saying that he didnt actually change his mind to Hall, but it was obviously a tough decision.

He did credit the Mem-Cup and his scouts for changing his mind last minute.

I'll take MBS at his word.

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#40 Alex87
October 31 2010, 08:26PM
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Do we have a good comp for Marincin yet? It sounds crazy, but I want to say Chara. Of course, I'm not saying Marincin will be as good as Chara, and I haven't really done any research, but the stats are similar. Both big Slovakians who played in the WHL (for the same team) post-draft. So far, Marincin has put up better offense, and he is also a year younger.

Marincin - 46th overall, began his first post-draft year with Prince George as an 18 year old. So far is 16 GP 7-11-18.

Chara - 56th overall, played his first post-draft year with Prince George as a 19 year old. Went 49 GP, 3-19-22.

Chara would obviously be best case scenario and I'm not at this point suggesting that is a reasonable expectation for Marincin... but I am hoping to spark a discussion on Marincin comps now that he is a "prospect of note." Thoughts anyone..?

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#41 DSF
October 31 2010, 08:54PM
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What variables in the '03 draft are you waiting to discover LT?

That JFJ will become a hockey player?

Stick a fork in it.

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#42 PabstBR55
October 31 2010, 09:03PM
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@Archaeologuy

Indy, what is it that makes you prefer Seguin to Hall? Was is that his upward trajectory was steeper, climbing significantly during this last year, the fact that he is a C and top C's are rare and conveted, or something else?

I was a toss-up until I attended the Mem Cup and watched Hall dominate everyone like an alpha-lion, and then watching Oil Change observed that Hall has the psychology of a champion.

Seguin to me seems to have excellent hockey mechanics, but most people assess that Hall probably can't sleep at night if he loses a game.

Just want to hear a strong position from the other side. Thx.

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#43 Archaeologuy
October 31 2010, 09:16PM
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@PabstBR55

Position played a little bit into it. I'd have to run back into the many "debates" I had with Crash, but for me the biggest points for Seguin were that he was producing equal numbers with much weaker linemates and his 5 on 5 numbers were far and away better than Hall's. Almost double the even strength production, in fact. That was huge for me.

There's plenty to be excited about with a player that shows up for the big game, but Hall was surrounded by high-end CHL talent. His team's success was not entirely dependent on him, Seguin's was. Seguin's attitude wasnt exactly rotten either, he seemed very intelligent and willing to work on the little things that make good players great.

It doesnt matter now though, Hall is an Oiler and I want him to be the better player. I want to have been wrong.

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#44 PabstBR55
October 31 2010, 09:32PM
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@Archaeologuy

I don't know if you've ever read Moneyball, but there's a section in the book that breaks down the debate between drafting kids with raw athletic talent out of high school and developing them into MLB all-stars, and drafting college players with strong statistical pedigrees and proven aptitude for the game of baseball.

I believe the former yielded fewer players to actually keep a job in the show, but a higher chance of producing all-star calibre players. The latter was a sure-fire way to fill a roster with above-average players.

To me the equation of Hall vs Seguin came down to a player who plays with a dimension of unique raw talent that can't be taught, might not be seen in a half-dozen years and can't be passed up on, and a steady point producer who will undoubtedly achieve the ppg or better threshold over his career.

It's like picking between a Masserati and an 7-series BMW.

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#45 MattL
October 31 2010, 09:40PM
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@Lowetide

"The other 12 players selected by Kevin Prendergast and the scouting department include a couple of interesting items (including Jesse Niinimaki--he's posting some good numbers in Finland and I wouldn't rule out an NHL team giving him a shot)"

Man, J-NIINI was only 5 points behind defenseman Markus Seikola for 3rd place in scoring on his team last year. Sure they were in last place, but that just proves how resilient the kid is. And he was only 26!!!!!!

That said, he is almost out-scoring Mike York, Pavel Brendl and Jean-Luc GrandPierre COMBINED. Almost.

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#46 C-DOG
October 31 2010, 09:48PM
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Ryan14 wrote:

Seguin is 4th on Boston for face-offs taken and is below 50% away from home. He is a benefactor of taking face-offs against the oppositions weaker center men. Not really awe inspiring.

He's barely below 50% on the road and you don't know the %'s of his opposition , either way great for an 18 year old, Crosby was low 40% in his 18 year old season, now he's one of the best. Very awe inspiring! How are our 21,23 30 year old faceoff men doing....ah.....ah exactly.

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#47 C-DOG
October 31 2010, 10:13PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'll take MBS at his word.

What would you expect him to say, "I disagree with Tambi and he twisted my arm". He initialy wanted Hall, but after watching both players carefully his instincts said Seguin, then he was convinced to change his mind because of playoff performances on the greatest junior team of all time, yes he was the best player ,but they were winning games by large margins, winning in junior doesn't always translate to the NHL.

Tambi going hard for the second pick showed me how much Stu liked Seguin,I don't know if the rumors were true on what they would of given up, but it does show the org's feelings about Seguin. I never said Stu was against drafting Hall, If Low/Tambi wanted Seguin or were split, I personaly beleive Seguin would be an Oiler.

And are you keeping score of something? (:0) realy! And who's MC.

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October 31 2010, 10:18PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Arch: Agreed. Fully half of my hockey buddies are convinced that Seguin was the better man. I don't think that debate will ever go away.

I never read any of your blogs untill you came to Oilers nation, so I am assuming you were a Hall guy all the way, what specificaly made you want to pass on a Sure fire 1st line centre or did you even beleive he was. Do you have any links to past blogs on this topic. Thanks

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#49 commonfan13
October 31 2010, 10:19PM
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There's one thing I never got about the "Seguin had weaker line-mates" argument. If he's supposed to be this great franchise C, shouldn't he have been making those guys look better?

Seems to me he should have had GMs killing themselves years later for taking those guys too high when in hindsight it's clear they were just having career years because they were playing with the great Tyler Seguin.

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