C13: HORCOFF

Wanye
October 04 2010 08:35PM

It's quite possible that the Oilers will name Shawn Horcoff as C13 - the 13th Captain of the Edmonton Oilers. Let's all listen to a Star Trek: TNG Techno remix of Patrick Stewart saying "Captain" and ponder if this is a good idea shall we?

First off, smart people all over the league have started suggesting Horcoff is the man for the job, including OilersNation's very own Robin "The Oracle" Brownlee, who has correctly predicted so many things by now that we have given up on doubting him*:

"Once the cuts are dispensed with, it only makes sense the Oilers will unveil Horcoff as their captain and name his assistants before the Flames come calling. My guess is that'll come Tuesday."

C13: WHO YOU?

The fact that Shawn Horcoff is sitting on a fat deal through the 2014/15 season and is being debated as the 13th Captain of the Edmonton Oilers is nothing short of amazing. Drafted in the 99th overall back in 1998 round, the guy wasn't even considered a odds on favourite to crack an NHL lineup.

Once he made the Oil back in '01 we can vividly recall him being given no love by the fans and the media pundits alike. But we witnessed the remarkable determination of a guy as he not only climbed onto the roster, but then up the depth chart line by line and become a point per game player back in 2005-2006.

You remember that season right? The year he potted 22 goals and 73 points in the regular season and topped it off with an additional 19 points in 24 games in the playoffs? The forgotten season when people are analyzing his career - which is often focused on the 50 points in 53 games he had back in 07-08 before he signed the 33 million dollar deal. Yeah, that season.

In those days Horcoff was on fire. You couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a Horcoff fan directly in the grill. Then after a season ending shoulder surgery, he did the unpardonable sin of signing a massive contract thrown at him by the Oilers. Don't get us wrong, we have been there at the witch hunts for Horcoff and have cheered the loudest.

We just can't help but wonder on the cusp of a New Era for the team, if this might be an appropriate time to put that aside and recognize one of the few leaders on this team and name him Captain.

IT AIN'T EASY BEING HORCOFF

One time last season we were in the Pint having a glass of port and discussing politics with a round table of local intellectuals** Somehow or other we were introduced to a fellow and started the usual introductory blib blabbery. Something about him seemed familiar, but we couldn't quite put our finger on what it was.

As the chap chatted away we went through our mental rolodex at full throttle until we hit upon the correct card. "You aren't related to Shawn Horcoff are you?" Turns out it was his brother and the conversation made us as vulnerable as anything that has ever happened to us as a loud mouthed Oilers fan.

"That must be pretty cool to watch your brother sporting the 'A' and having a good career" we asked tactfully. The look of resignation on the poor guy's face and the weariness in his voice spoke volumes about what he had been going through in the City of Champions. "Yeah, it used to be dude. But now everyone just hates on him. I usually don't like to admit to strangers we are brothers because people can be pretty vile."

This is the gist of the conversation and it was clear that the poor bastard had been harrangued all over town by Oilers fans just like the one he was talking to that night. After an incredible climb into a point a game player, then following an injury in the All Star game  - his brother signed a 6 year $33 million dollar deal that should have been the culmination of years of back breaking effort and toil.

Instead of his crowing achievement it has become an albatross, a massive weight around his neck that has led to public mud slinging to the degree that his brother expects to be tarred and feathered at the local watering holes.

And throughout the entire time what has the Horcoff done? Complained? Stopped trying and started mailing it in? Throwing the team trainers under the bus only to assure us all he would't be a distraction mere weeks later?

No, he continues to arrive at camp in elite conditioning and with every passing game regrips the stick even tighter.

FORGIVENESS

The 2 1/2 year crucifiction of Shawn Horcoff should stop now. Is he the player he once was? Who knows. Will he live up to the remaining years of his contract? Unclear. He has looked pretty darn sick in the preseason playing between Hall and Eberle and his effort and conditioning and attitude has remained top drawer since he signed The Deal back in 2008.

This is a team that is in short supply of Veterans and has a crop of Uber Youth that needs mentoring. Shawn Horcoff might not be the player to command a 5.5 million dollar cap hit today if he were to sign a one year deal. But the Oilers could very well get their money's worth out of him by having him mentor the New Boys during their formative years.

As he uses the C to transition into the new role and plays with infinitely better wingers in the process - he might even pot 60 or 70 points in the process.

And given the state of the team and the unchangability of the contract - that sounds like a best case scenario from where we sit.

*But he didn't get that Comrie signing last summer did he? Heh. heh.

** Read: crushing Bud Lights and gawking at chicks.

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#51 Jeremy
October 05 2010, 05:43AM
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While I am not completely opposed to seeing #10 get the "C" this year, I must admit that I don't really understamd all of the fawning over Horc. Comments like "Horcoff has always said and done the right things". I have a hard time swallowing such a blanket statement following his statements last year when broaching the subject of his albatross of a contract- something along the lines of fans "not getting" NHL pros making millions of dollars to play a game. I am pretty sure we "get it", I personally only disagreed with Sean pulling 5.5 per. And as for always doing the right thing, he did earn the League's green jacket last year, iirc.

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#52 ted scheckler
October 05 2010, 05:52AM
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HEY YOU GUYS!!!! Save us captain sloth.

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#53 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 05 2010, 06:18AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

April 9, 2009
That's right... Two Thousand NINE

Tony T wrote: (comment #9)

@ Archaeology: I second the motion. I have stated the same argument all year, exactly what intagibles does Horcoff possess? Also, if Ross Creek comes on here saying how "Horcoff" should wear the C, I'm going to be quite dissappointed. The bottom line for a Captain is for your team to get results, in a year where as the no. 1 Forward (ice time) the team greatly underacheived, his "intagibles" do not scream "capable" leadership.

http://oilersnation.com/2009/4/9/gregor-and-horcoff/page/1

That was a quick 4 second search through OilersNation archives... I've been saying this for longer than that.

~pretty impressive i havent given 2 sh1ts about what you have said since at least april of 2009~

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#54 Starving Student
October 05 2010, 06:32AM
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god dammit, i'm gonna have "captain, jean-luc picard" stuck in my head all day...

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#55 Jeremy
October 05 2010, 06:39AM
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Also, Whitney gets my vote

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#56 BUCK75
October 05 2010, 07:27AM
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As far as I'm concerned the young guys(eberle/hall) look up to him, the "older" guys respect him & he is accountable. Aside from his contract & lack of production the last couple of years there is no reason us fans should be all over him. I predict a huge bounce back year for Wolf Eyes, maybe even a an *MVP season.

Hell, if Khabibulin can play 20 games last year & be the MVP why can't Horcoff with 60 points?

*Disclosure: Horcoff is my Star pick*

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#57 rubbertrout
October 05 2010, 07:48AM
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I have been a staunch Horc supporter even during the darkest days (IE last season). Horc is my boy for C-13 and I bet he does a great job.

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#58 rubbertrout
October 05 2010, 07:50AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

And here it is.

Is it time to start another petition for an IP ban?

And how! I never thought I would see someone writing R.I.P Hatecoff.

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#59 Milli
October 05 2010, 08:17AM
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Realy, isn't Horc the only choice? Hemmer, talented, not a leader. Penner, realy after one good year? Horc has all the qualities of a good c13. And for whoever says what can he show the kids? Oh I don't know, how about work ethic, professionalism, leadership, handling adversity......

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#60 hamzinoilcntry
October 05 2010, 08:21AM
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@ Wayne. And who gets your votes for the "A's?"

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#61 Crash
October 05 2010, 08:28AM
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Do I want Horcoff anywhere near our PP?...hell no...can he drag down a couple of good wingers offensively?...yes he can.

But having said that, I can buy into his being named C13...he is a leader, I'll give him that, and he works hard. He is very well spoken and handles the media very nicely.

I'm sure he is well respected in the room as well, plus he committed to the Oilers and is going to be here for at least another 5 yrs.

He'd make a fine captain.

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#62 dawgbone
October 05 2010, 09:28AM
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@Jeremy

You don't rc.

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#63 Clay
October 05 2010, 10:21AM
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I've wanted to trott this obscure Horcoff stat out for a while now, and this seems to be the place to do it.

Amongst players who have taken 10 or more shootout attempts, Horcoff is #2 all time percentage-wise. Ahead of names like Toews, Jussi Jokinen, Kopitar, Datsyuk, Parise, and Crosby.

So there.

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#64 Shane
October 05 2010, 10:52AM
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I like Horc for C13 but if I had a choice I would have to go with Smytty. That's right I believe Ryan Smyths contract is up at the end of this season, roll with three A's this year and sign Smytty on July 1st, slap a C on him and away we go! We havent had an identity since he left(or whatever you call it) I'm sure he would love coming back to. I'm probably gonna get beaked for this one but so be it.....Smytty raises the Cup in 2013!!!!!

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#65 TigerUnderGlass
October 05 2010, 10:53AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

For (hopefully) the last time... David S is NOT David Staples. Get it. Got it. Good.

:)

Something else for the FAQ?

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#66 Scott in Grande Prairie
October 05 2010, 10:56AM
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To me, the legions of Horcoff haters are nearly as tiresome as the legions of MacT-haters a couple of years ago. By the end of the MacT-era, the MacT-haters were blaming him for everything from global warming to lost socks in their load of laundry.

As for the contract, yeah, it's a lot of money, but let's switch sports for a second. Exhibit A: Vernon Wells. The Jays have a lot of money and term tied up in him and they've realized he's untradeable. But the team has supported him and Wells had a pretty darn good year this year - thanks in part, no doubt, to the fact that Jays fans seem to be behind him (I'm guessing on that last part - I'm a Bell subscriber and thanks to SportsnetOne, I didn't see a lot of Jays games from July onward).

My point? If you stick with and stand behind a player, he'll reward you. Horcoff is still young enough to earn - or mostly earn - that salary. One way of earning it is returning to his solid, all-around game. Another way is by serving as captain.

Boo him if you wish, Horcoff-haters. As fans, you help pay the freight. But why not hold your tongue and let him play his way back - just like Vernon Wells has?

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#67 Crash
October 05 2010, 11:15AM
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Scott in Grande Prairie wrote:

To me, the legions of Horcoff haters are nearly as tiresome as the legions of MacT-haters a couple of years ago. By the end of the MacT-era, the MacT-haters were blaming him for everything from global warming to lost socks in their load of laundry.

As for the contract, yeah, it's a lot of money, but let's switch sports for a second. Exhibit A: Vernon Wells. The Jays have a lot of money and term tied up in him and they've realized he's untradeable. But the team has supported him and Wells had a pretty darn good year this year - thanks in part, no doubt, to the fact that Jays fans seem to be behind him (I'm guessing on that last part - I'm a Bell subscriber and thanks to SportsnetOne, I didn't see a lot of Jays games from July onward).

My point? If you stick with and stand behind a player, he'll reward you. Horcoff is still young enough to earn - or mostly earn - that salary. One way of earning it is returning to his solid, all-around game. Another way is by serving as captain.

Boo him if you wish, Horcoff-haters. As fans, you help pay the freight. But why not hold your tongue and let him play his way back - just like Vernon Wells has?

Booing your own teams players serves no purpose.

Not sure why people do it.

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#68 wax for my stick
October 05 2010, 11:15AM
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Ryan Whitney makes more sense to me than Horcoff. Horcoff is fine with the "A" but I don't really see him with the cheddar on his sweater, not to say he would be a bad captain but Whitney seems like that type of guy that can go out there and lead by example without having to say much, almost like an "Yzerman" type in a way. I'm sure the oil will be happy with their pick in the end

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#69 freeze
October 05 2010, 11:24AM
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That remix is going to be stuck in my head all day. I'll have to watch some TNG tonight!

Jean-Luc Picard for Captain!

Horc would be a good second choice but he seems like more of a Ryker to me.

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#70 C-DOG
October 05 2010, 11:51AM
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Horcoff would be a horrible decision, with 5 years remaining on his contract it's a matter of time before he is in the exact position as Moroeu. The man does not need more pressure.

No captain until the youngsters are ready to step up.

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#71 C-DOG
October 05 2010, 11:53AM
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Smitty has 2 more years on his contract, and another L.W is the last thing the Oilers need.

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#72 C-DOG
October 05 2010, 11:56AM
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Shane wrote:

I like Horc for C13 but if I had a choice I would have to go with Smytty. That's right I believe Ryan Smyths contract is up at the end of this season, roll with three A's this year and sign Smytty on July 1st, slap a C on him and away we go! We havent had an identity since he left(or whatever you call it) I'm sure he would love coming back to. I'm probably gonna get beaked for this one but so be it.....Smytty raises the Cup in 2013!!!!!

Smytty has 2 years left on his contract, and a L.W is the last thing the Oilers need.

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#73 VK63
October 05 2010, 11:58AM
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@Crash

Because they are dumb enough to believe it works for the idiot habs fans.

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#74 brucechris
October 05 2010, 12:11PM
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"And throughout the entire time what has the Horcoff done? Complained? Stopped trying and started mailing it in?"

Complained? Not that I saw. But I'm pretty sure I noticed at least a little postal work by Horcoff last year.

"Throwing the team trainers under the bus only to assure us all he wouldn't be a distraction mere weeks later?"

So... Horcoff isn't nearly as bad as, say, SOURAY. So get the needle and thread, it's C time? Really?

The Hawks went captainless as they rebuilt. They didn't go give it to an arbitrary vet, they waited for a leader to emerge from the pack. I really thought the Oilers would take the same route. I still think they should. If Horc is on the rebound and is indeed the clear leader, then sure.

It's kind of like giving a guy the C just for a good training camp. Or is it for winning last year's limbo contest of a season?

Sigh. I hope they know what they're doing. I really hope the days of the Oilers being a laughing stock are behind us.

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#75 fuck off
October 05 2010, 02:44PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Penner will never be a captain. Book it.

Penner has already been Captain!
Alternate Captain.

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#76 master of my domain
October 05 2010, 07:22PM
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~Khabi was our MVP last year, so why don't we name him captain?~

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#77 anon
October 06 2010, 01:01PM
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"By the end of the MacT-era, the MacT-haters were blaming him for everything from global warming to lost socks in their load of laundry"

Re-checked my climate model again. And yes the softer ice at Rexall definitely was caused by Mac-T burning lost socks. IMHO.

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#78 anon
October 06 2010, 01:01PM
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"By the end of the MacT-era, the MacT-haters were blaming him for everything from global warming to lost socks in their load of laundry"

Re-checked my climate model again. And yes the softer ice at Rexall definitely was caused by Mac-T burning lost socks. IMHO.

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#79 anon
October 06 2010, 01:02PM
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Sorry for the double.

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