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Lowetide
October 05 2010 05:49PM

This is Chris Vande Velde. His showing at this fall's training camp went mostly unnoticed what will all the commotion. We may one day look back on TC 2010 and remember it as the period of time when the Oilers finally saw that big center everyone was waiting for these many years. And that's not all.

Chris Vande Velde has a wide range of abilities. Size, skill, he was splendid in the faceoff circle at the college level and he can play a gritty game. His performance in the pre-season gives all Oiler fans hope for the future. Oilers player development man Mike Sillinger had this to say: "He's a big guy, strong guy, protects the puck really well, plays his position really well. He's not overly flashy, but he's very noticeable in doing the little things well. Decent on the faceoffs and, with his size (6-foot-2, 190 pounds), he's just so big and strong in front of the net."

Tom Renney had this to say about the college man:“Chris is a guy that just pushes it forward, gets it deep and goes into the dirty areas. He’s very responsible, he understands the game and programs well.As players like him gain experience in these games, it becomes increasingly difficult to suggest why they shouldn’t be here."

There's been a lot of chatter today about how little was accomplished at this year's training camp. I cannot believe my eyes. The Edmonton Oilers have introduced a generation of prospects to their fanbase this fall. The names Hall, Pääjärvi, Eberle and others will be heard rolling out over the next decade and longer. The secondary group (which includes Vande Velde) are the first to audition to become this team's role players and the early returns are very positive.

Roster spots were somewhat predictable, but it should also be mentioned that many of the late cuts will also be the early recalls this season. Vande Velde, Belle, Petiot, Ondrus, Omark, these are the names we'll see in 10-11 when injuries and slumps impact the main roster. This year's training camp was a snapshot, a moment in time. No more or less important than the days when Tony Hand, Alex Henry, Fernando Pisani, Blair Barnes, Esa Tikkanen and Kevin Lowe skated their first shifts on Northlands ice.

Bored by the final roster? Give your head a shake. Print the damn thing off and hang it on the wall. Lets agree we'll have another look at it in 10 years and decide at that time whether or not there was something to be excited about this fall. I'm betting yes.

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#1 Chris.
October 05 2010, 11:11PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

And Flames fans are up in arms at this proposal! Getting Souray & Cogliano for 50cents on the dollar, and they're absolutely appalled... wtf?

Flames fans are notorious for over valuing their assests.

Sincerely, the kettle.

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#2 DimebagDave
October 05 2010, 05:50PM
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woo hoo

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#3 Clay
October 05 2010, 10:43PM
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Like you say LT, Souray for the two, but no additional throw in from our side (someone mentioned Cogliano!).

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#4 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 10:57PM
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And Flames fans are up in arms at this proposal! Getting Souray & Cogliano for 50cents on the dollar, and they're absolutely appalled... wtf?

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#5 DimebagDave
October 05 2010, 05:56PM
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now that i actually read the post, i still woo hoo. i'm extremely excited for this season. here's hoping for a ton of 5-4, 5-3, 4-3 losses for us and another lottery pick. 10/11 is gonna be an exciting season.

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#6 esa tikkanen
October 05 2010, 05:58PM
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Just caught the end of gregor saying something like souray for glencross?? What was the rest of that rumoir? If true the oil wd have to take back more salary...staios? Sarich?

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#7 DN
October 05 2010, 06:00PM
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I would be interested in Lowtide's favoured line combinations. Too much about the TC ... I agree that it is time to move on.

Thanks

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#9 lenny
October 05 2010, 06:00PM
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No, if this is rebuild year then let Omark and VV play for Oilers and let them grow together with Hall and Co and who cares about playoffs this year, but maybe they will be good enough to make it!

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#10 lenny
October 05 2010, 06:00PM
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No, if this is rebuild year then let Omark and VV play for Oilers and let them grow together with Hall and Co and who cares about playoffs this year, but maybe they will be good enough to make it!

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#12 Oilchange64
October 05 2010, 06:07PM
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My apologies, totally unrelated, but any time there is an Oiler mention at the Onion it is worth a mention:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nhl-to-allow-finishing-moves-in-fights-this-season,18189/

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#14 TonyT
October 05 2010, 06:14PM
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Who the frack is Linus Omark? I mean if anyone was flat out robbed, it was (incredulously) Liam Reddox. Besides, why have Omark on the roster just to ride the pine, that kind of skill needs to be displayed. What I really know (and I will wait for tomorrow's deadline) is why we still have 3 goalies? Do we have any reason to believe this is linked to Souray?

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#15 Wanyes bastard child
October 05 2010, 06:15PM
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Lowetide wrote:

DN: Well, since you asked. :-)

I'd run them like this (C-LW-RW)

Horcoff-Penner-Hemsky (tough mins) Gagner-Hall-Eberle (soft parade) Fraser-Pääjärvi-Brule (2ndary toughs) Cogliano-Jones-Stortini (energy)

The Fraser line would get killed, but that Gagner line should smoke. The top line is most certainly good enough to outscore other top drawer NHL lines.

But that isn't the way it is going to happen.

Im hoping we see the Horcoff-Penner-Hemsky combo at least a few times this season but as you stated it probably won't happen.

I didn't catch all the pre-season games but it seemed to me that Eberle had instant chemistry with whomever he played with, including Gagner and Hall so that could be a decent line for soft minutes.

Personally I think we are going to see alot of the "MacT blender" this year in the top 9.

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#17 esa tikkanen
October 05 2010, 06:25PM
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No comments on the mark spector comments on gregor's show regarding souray to the lames for sarich and glencross??!!

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#19 Moop
October 05 2010, 06:29PM
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esa tikkanen wrote:

Just caught the end of gregor saying something like souray for glencross?? What was the rest of that rumoir? If true the oil wd have to take back more salary...staios? Sarich?

Spector recently posted an article on the Sportsnet site speculating that Souray + Cogliano + Picks for Sarich + Glencross might make sense for the Oilers. (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/10/05/oilers_souray/)

Then Darren Dreger said this on Twitter: "Sarich is low on depth chart, but I'm told the Flames have had no discussions with the Oil about Souray or Cogliano."

Then Tencer said this (also on Twitter): "According to @DarrenDreger the Flames haven't had discussions with Oilers re: Souray. For whatever it's worth, I've heard different."

EDIT: And Tencer added this later: "I happen to think that his speculation is based on some foundation...I've heard increasing rumblings of late around this."

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#20 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 06:32PM
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I wanna know what Oil fan thinks of this Flames rumor. Flames fan don't seem to like it and I can't figure out why.

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#21 esa tikkanen
October 05 2010, 06:34PM
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Well to me souray and the lames' third from the staios trade for glencross and sarich makes sense to me for both sides. Evens up the money this year and the third rounder offsets the money for next year.

While i can live with trading Cogliano somewhere, if he turns into Matthew Lombardi for calgary i will puke.

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#22 a lg dubl dubl
October 05 2010, 06:36PM
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all of a sudden Sutter and Tambolini are bff's lol, but seriously i hope they dont do that trade. Sarich is more washed up than Souray IMO and where would the Oilers put Glencross in the line-up? Now if ST can fleece Sutter again like he did in the Staios trade(3rd rounder) say Souray for their 1st or Iginla then maybe.

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#23 esa tikkanen
October 05 2010, 06:37PM
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Not to mentionif healthy souray is a much better player than glenx and sarich. But to end the soap opera as an oil fan i would do this.

I dont think flames fans appreciate how good souray was two seasons ago. I think last year before the wrist injury he was still suffering from the concussion and oif he returns to form the flames actually win the trade hands down.

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#24 magisterrex
October 05 2010, 06:38PM
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The last place for Tambi to send Souray would be Calgary. What, having Regehr run the kids over isn't enough?

If the deal happens, maybe we could get Tambi to sit slightly behind and to the right of the goalie so that Souray will try to send a howitzer through the glass to take him out.

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#25 Wanyes bastard child
October 05 2010, 06:38PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

I wanna know what Oil fan thinks of this Flames rumor. Flames fan don't seem to like it and I can't figure out why.

I think to me it would depend on what Sarich is like in the dressing room, I heard that the Calgary dressing room wasn't the most hospitable of sorts last year, tho that situation has been solved?

*shrugs*

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#26 Milli
October 05 2010, 06:51PM
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Crazy, us trading with the Flames again! I'd pull the triger on that one, maybe without Cogs, I"m not sure about sending him to the sucks. Souray, oh ya, his best days are gone, his cap hit and time in the sick bay would be perfect for them.

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#27 jeanshorts
October 05 2010, 07:03PM
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I'm all for ending this Souray fiasco By Any Means Necessary®, but we all realize that as soon as Souray becomes a Flame it means one of the kids is going to get his nose pushed through the back of his head via a slapper to the face right? It's pretty much inevitable.

I'd like to minimize our odds of that happening as much as possible. Look outside of the division please!

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 05 2010, 07:20PM
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esa tikkanen wrote:

No comments on the mark spector comments on gregor's show regarding souray to the lames for sarich and glencross??!!

Yes please.

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#29 Oilers4ever
October 05 2010, 07:23PM
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Unlike Omark... VandeVelde earned a position... he should be playing on the fourth line, even pushing fourth line... at least he doesn't whine like Omark does when sent down.. I still say ship Omarks butt with Souray out of town...

Souray, Omark, and Cogliano to the Rangers for Marc Staal and Chris Drury....

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#30 DN
October 05 2010, 07:57PM
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@Lowetide

Thanks Lowtide ...the soft parade might be the smallest line in the NHL ?

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#31 Harlie
October 05 2010, 08:26PM
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Lowetide wrote:

DN: Well, since you asked. :-)

I'd run them like this (C-LW-RW)

Horcoff-Penner-Hemsky (tough mins) Gagner-Hall-Eberle (soft parade) Fraser-Pääjärvi-Brule (2ndary toughs) Cogliano-Jones-Stortini (energy)

The Fraser line would get killed, but that Gagner line should smoke. The top line is most certainly good enough to outscore other top drawer NHL lines.

But that isn't the way it is going to happen.

Seein as that's the way you would run them but you don't think Renney will, how do you think he will run the lines?

Personally I like

Horcoff-Hall-Hemsky

Gagner-Penner-Eberle

and then I agree with your 3rd and fourth.

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#33 Wanyes bastard child
October 05 2010, 08:45PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think Renney will go Horcoff-Hall-Eberle, Gagner-Penner-Hemsky and then Cogliano-MPS-Eberle. Until the 10-minutes mark. :-)

You have Eberle in there twice, now whilst that would be freakin sweet to have two Eberle's, not happening :P

I think you meant Cogliano-MPS-Brule for the third ;)

In regards to your lines though, I think if you switch Penner with MPS and give them at least the first period and thats what I see Renney doing.

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#34 Ender
October 05 2010, 08:47PM
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Souray to Calgary? That would be the ultimate irony. We all know how well Souray keeps his feelings internalized when he's forced to coexist with people he doesn't like. I'm sure, though, that he's put that whole 'Iginla ruined my career' thing WAY behind him. They'll be BFF's once they're on the same team. Right?

Right? . . . . .

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#35 Harlie
October 05 2010, 08:51PM
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@Lowetide

haha so true. The one thing that we all can predict is that the lines will be unpredictable. The blender lives on!

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#36 Aleslav Smidsky
October 05 2010, 09:12PM
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Why do people make fun of Eklund for making up random rumours? Yet, verbal diarhea from Rishaug and Spector is worth a talk.

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#37 a lg dubl dubl
October 05 2010, 09:46PM
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Oilers4ever wrote:

Unlike Omark... VandeVelde earned a position... he should be playing on the fourth line, even pushing fourth line... at least he doesn't whine like Omark does when sent down.. I still say ship Omarks butt with Souray out of town...

Souray, Omark, and Cogliano to the Rangers for Marc Staal and Chris Drury....

now that trade id do before i even thought of talkin to cowtown, who knows maybe slats is on the right side of senial and say ok to that ;)

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#38 Ryan2
October 05 2010, 10:00PM
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Good post on Van de Velde. If both he and Pitlick pan out and hit their ceiling then we may actually have some size up the middle finally.

WRT the Souray rumor, I think it is a smokescreen to try to get something out of another team (Rangers maybe?). I would not be surprised if Sutter did call, but right now it looks like Tambi is going to wait until the last second to assign Souray to OK in the hopes that someone bites on him. My guess is that it will not work and then he will have to go there, play, and get claimed on re-entry waivers.

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#40 treblecharger
October 05 2010, 10:19PM
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@Oilchange64

That is some funny stuff! Nice one!

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#41 Dan the Man
October 05 2010, 10:20PM
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I was very impressed with Vande Velde as well. Hopefully he becomes the solid 3rd line centre with size that this team is sorely lacking.

With regards to the Souray rumour....I would make just about any deal to get rid of Souray but I don't like this one because it makes the Flames better.

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#42 Dan the Man
October 05 2010, 10:23PM
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@Oilchange64

That is pure gold, thanks!

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#43 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 10:28PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Yes please.

You do know the rumor is Souray, Cogliano & a draft choice (maybe the 3rd rounder the Flames gave them in the Staios trade?) for Sarich & Glencross (and perhaps another salary dump), right? Even if it were just Souray & Cogliano for Sarich & Glencross... still yes please?

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#45 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 10:33PM
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@Lowetide

Then keep your 5.4M cap hit ;-)

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#46 RossCreekNation
October 05 2010, 10:39PM
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And now from the Calgary Herald's Vicki Hall, as well...

One persistent rumour - that finally hit main-stream media websites Tuesday night - is a blockbuster trade between the Flames and the Oilers that would see Sheldon Souray, Andrew Cogliano and draft picks moving to Calgary for Cory Sarich and Curtis Glencross.
The move makes some sense. Glencross ($1.2 million US) was an on-and-off resident of head coach Brent Sutter's doghouse last season.
Sarich can still contribute at 32, but his $3.6 million contract is hefty.
The banished Souray has a cap hit of $5.4 million. Cogliano would help with team speed, and his salary comes in at $1 million.
But it's just a rumour.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Flames+Sutter+puts+Brett+waivers/3628732/story.html

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#47 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 05 2010, 10:44PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

You do know the rumor is Souray, Cogliano & a draft choice (maybe the 3rd rounder the Flames gave them in the Staios trade?) for Sarich & Glencross (and perhaps another salary dump), right? Even if it were just Souray & Cogliano for Sarich & Glencross... still yes please?

Hmmmm, that's tougher.

I do like Sarich though (as a bottom pairing guy) and was hoping we'd swap O'sully for Sarich rather then for JV)

Tough call, if you get a healthy, motivated Souray Flamers probably kill that trade. If you get 50 games (over the next 2 years) then we obviously win.

I'd do Sarich for Souray straight up

Call it a push I guess.

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#48 Clay
October 05 2010, 10:53PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

And now from the Calgary Herald's Vicki Hall, as well...

One persistent rumour - that finally hit main-stream media websites Tuesday night - is a blockbuster trade between the Flames and the Oilers that would see Sheldon Souray, Andrew Cogliano and draft picks moving to Calgary for Cory Sarich and Curtis Glencross.
The move makes some sense. Glencross ($1.2 million US) was an on-and-off resident of head coach Brent Sutter's doghouse last season.
Sarich can still contribute at 32, but his $3.6 million contract is hefty.
The banished Souray has a cap hit of $5.4 million. Cogliano would help with team speed, and his salary comes in at $1 million.
But it's just a rumour.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Flames+Sutter+puts+Brett+waivers/3628732/story.html

Lordy.

So, let take score here. The Oilers make Souray sit out the whole preseason, and basically stir up the hornets nest with him as best they can, and then send him up the road to their biggest rival? Anyone else see Souray standing over an unconscious Eberle in the very near future?

IMO, Souray+Cogs for Sarich+GlenX is lopsided enough, and talk of Oilers sending picks too? Crazytown.

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#49 Ribs
October 05 2010, 10:56PM
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Great post, LT. Someone needed to highlight Vande Veldes excellent camp performance. I hope we end up seeing a lot more of him in the future.

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#50 esa tikkanen
October 05 2010, 11:15PM
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rosscreek

Flames fans all think Souray is crappy because of how poorly he played last season. And for some reason they forget that the year before the Oil were in the playoffs as of game 75, that they were a decent team, and that Souray was their best player who got 50 points, a plus minus in the plusses on a team in the minuses, that he fought and killed guys, that he played 25 minutes a night and was very good on the PK. He was an excellent player that year and easily the Oilers' best player.

If he returns to form, even without Cogs you win hands down.

With Cogs, well I doubt Tambellini would trade a player that young with some potential just to dump Souray's contract. To me Cogs could easily be as good as Matthew Lombardi or Mason Raymond. He is 23, has played three seasons in the NHL, scored 18 goals as a 20 and 21 year old , is as fast as they get. He is not my favourite Oiler but you don't throw him in just to take Sarich and Glencross back as equal salary dumps...those two are enough in salary and don't add up to half of Souray's value IF he returns to form.

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