Hard Nose the Highway

Lowetide
December 06 2010 05:05PM

Put your money where your mouth is
Then we can get something going
In order to win you must be prepared to lose sometime
And leave one or two cards showing

Seen some hard times
Drawn some bad lines
No time for shoeshines
Hard Nose the Highway

Dammit.

The news today (Hemsky out for a month) is not welcome. Ales Hemsky's (increasing) list of injuries have all kinds of impact on the Oilers and their future: should you sign a brittle player to another long term deal? How much does this impact his trade value? Will it force him to change his style of play?

First things first.

In the interview that got him sent to Chocolate land, Sheldon Souray said the following:

  • "I wasn’t even ready to play when I came here, but it was like, ‘We signed you, you go out and play.’ I hadn’t been cleared to play yet, but I was being questioned by the organization: ‘When are you going to be able to play?’ I go out, play six games, and I get hurt."

Have the Oilers changed their ways? Hemsky played on the road trip, but then didn't play against the Leafs. He was also scratched against St. Louis. Coach Renney in Toronto:

  • "At this point in time, I would say Ales is doubtful. We’ve got to protect our athletes, it’s a long season, there’s a lot of work to do, I’ll be prudent with him.”

That sounds better than the old timey "Hey Mike Grier, just throw that shoulder back in would you? There's a penalty to kill" days of the early 00's. It would appear as though the organization is learning from past errors and that is good news.

Oilers have a couple of choices in terms of recall. Linus Omark and Liam Reddox are having fine seasons, and offer a nice variety of skills. If Ryan Jones can score enough goals to play on the Gagner line, perhaps Reddox can help the PK and add energy and speed to the 4line. If not, then it's time for Linus.

Ryan O'Marra is another option. He might help on the PK and in the faceoff circle. Since the Oilers have a tremendous need in that area, it should at least be considered.

Ales Hemsky is at the point of his career where we can safely use the phrase "injury prone" when mentioning him. It could have major impact on the organization as they make their decisions moving forward.

Do you prefer Hemsky for 40-65 games a season or a healthy Dustin Penner?

I believe Ales Hemsky is a wonderful player, but from this point on the idea of signing him to a long term deal must be questioned by the organization. He's brittle, and that's a fact. Can he change his playing style and remain effective? Have no idea. But we do know that NHL salary caps are riddled with lost soldiers who signed long term deals and then couldn't answer the bell.

This injury is more serious than the number of games Hemsky will miss. This injury could change the course of the organization moving forward.

Dammit.

C2a6955161684b5e3189319acfa5ebe4
Lowetide has been one of the Oilogosphere's shining lights for over a century. You can check him out here at OilersNation and at lowetide.ca. He is also the host of Lowdown with Lowetide weekday mornings 10-noon on Team 1260.
Avatar
#1 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
December 06 2010, 05:08PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I wonder if it's too late to FIST this thing?

*goes back to read the article*

Edit: Looks like LT beat me to it, "Fist things fist." Classic!

Avatar
#2 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
December 06 2010, 05:19PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers

But seriously, although I'm not 100% sure what/who to believe, I must say, Souray's credibility is on par with the human rake, IMO.

And if anyone wants to believe Souray enough to question the Oilers motives when it comes to injured players, ask yourself this question, "do you really think Hemsky was 'pressured' to come back?"

PS. My avatar is point at you, Sheldon.

Avatar
#3 Etownhockey
December 06 2010, 05:36PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I've been saying for the past 2 years the Oilers should move Hemsky. There's enough depth in this organization now that they could do so.

Hemsky, Eberle, Omark, Hall, Paajarvi, Gagner, Cogliano...there's enough talent on this Oilers team that we need to get past the love of dipsy doodle talent and get some hard nosed playoff type of men in this lie up.

A Hemsky trade near the deadline makes sense.

Avatar
#4 Quicksilver ballet
December 06 2010, 05:40PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

The value of Ales Hemsky appears to be fading.

Avatar
#5 BurkeTheTurd
December 06 2010, 05:42PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

I think we are reacting way too quickly about trading him. Let him heal and see how it goes, long season ahead. Postive side it gives more young guys chances to play better minutes. It is a rebuild year so gotta look positive..haha

Avatar
#6 Kevin
December 06 2010, 06:16PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Lowetide: Can you remind me of his injury history a bit? I know this is two seasons in a row with major injuries, but I don't remember recurrent groin injuries (like Gaborik) or recurrent shoulder problems (like Havlat).

Clearly he's had injury trouble (never had 82 games, 70+ in only 4 of his last 7 NHL seasons). I was just hoping you could run down his history has you have for other players.

Thanks!

Avatar
#7 Travis Dakin
December 06 2010, 06:23PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

It breaks my heart.... But it's time to move him when a good deal can be had for him. Truly devastating but it would be best for the team.

I've always loved you, Dangles.

Avatar
#8 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 06 2010, 06:24PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Kevin wrote:

Lowetide: Can you remind me of his injury history a bit? I know this is two seasons in a row with major injuries, but I don't remember recurrent groin injuries (like Gaborik) or recurrent shoulder problems (like Havlat).

Clearly he's had injury trouble (never had 82 games, 70+ in only 4 of his last 7 NHL seasons). I was just hoping you could run down his history has you have for other players.

Thanks!

2010/12/02 Groin, sidelined indefinitely.

2010/12/01 Missed 3 games (leg injury).

2010/11/25 Leg injury, day-to-day.

2010/04/11 Missed the last 57 games of the regular season (left shoulder surgery).

2009/11/26 Left shoulder surgery, remainder of the season.

2009/11/11 Missed 2 games (shoulder injury).

2009/11/08 Shoulder injury, day-to-day.

2009/10/19 Missed 1 game (flu).

2009/10/16 Flu, day-to-day.

2009/01/18 Missed 10 games (concussion).

2008/12/30 Nose injury, day-to-day.

2008/04/05 Missed the last game of the regular season (knee injury).

2008/04/02 Knee injury, day-to-day.

2008/01/05 Missed 5 games (knee injury).

2007/12/29 Knee injury, day-to-day.

2007/12/27 Knee injury, day-to-day.

2007/12/05 Missed 2 games (knee injury).

2007/12/02 Knee injury, day-to-day.

2007/03/27 Missed 1 game (right shoulder injury).

2007/03/24 Right shoulder injury, day-to-day.

2007/03/23 Missed 8 games (right shoulder injury).

2007/03/04 Right shoulder injury, day-to-day.

2007/01/20 Missed 1 game (shoulder injury).

2007/01/18 Shoulder injury, day-to-day.

2007/01/17 Undisclosed, left Tuesday's game.

2006/12/15 Missed 8 games (right shoulder injury).

2006/11/30 Right shoulder injury, sidelined indefinitely.

2006/07/25 Re-signed as a restricted free agent by the Edmonton Oilers to a six-year contract.

2005/08/15 Re-signed as a restricted free agent by the Edmonton Oilers to a one-year contract.

2004/09/18 NHL lockout: Signed with the HC Pardubice of the Czech Extraleague.

2003/02/25 Missed 4 games (abdominal injury).

2003/02/22 Abdominal injury, day-to-day.

2003/02/18 Flu, day-to-day.

2003/02/05 Missed 2 games (abdominal injury).

2003/01/29 Abdominal injury, day-to-day.

2003/01/24 Missed 1 game (abdominal injury).

2003/01/22 Abdominal injury, day-to-day.

2003/01/16 Missed 0 game (pulled stomach muscle).

2003/01/14 Pulled stomach muscle, day-to-day.

2003/01/13 Pulled stomach muscle, left Monday's game.

2002/09/25 Signed by the Edmonton Oilers to a three-year contract.

2001/09/26 Returned to Hull (QMJHL).

or, you could have just went to http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2376#career

Avatar
#9 @NateInVegas
December 06 2010, 06:34PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

LT,

Another brilliant read, tres bien!

Ales Hemsky's injury is an opportunity to provide Tambellini clarity with other players.

Turn that frown upside down!

Hemsky will be fully healed and re-energized in time for the playoff drive.

Let's face it, Hemsky is the Oilers version of Alex Kovalev (without the shot).

A magnificently gifted player who can leave you in awe, or wanting more.

I want him to be an elite player in the NHL for years, let the man rest until April if need be.

Have a wonderful evening.

Avatar
#10 Aleslav Smidsky
December 06 2010, 06:44PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Etownhockey wrote:

I've been saying for the past 2 years the Oilers should move Hemsky. There's enough depth in this organization now that they could do so.

Hemsky, Eberle, Omark, Hall, Paajarvi, Gagner, Cogliano...there's enough talent on this Oilers team that we need to get past the love of dipsy doodle talent and get some hard nosed playoff type of men in this lie up.

A Hemsky trade near the deadline makes sense.

I don't want to call you names, so I won't.

We have two Hemskys on this team?

I can't go any further with out calling you names.

Avatar
#11 Aleslav Smidsky
December 06 2010, 06:46PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Travis Dakin wrote:

It breaks my heart.... But it's time to move him when a good deal can be had for him. Truly devastating but it would be best for the team.

I've always loved you, Dangles.

You can't trade injured players.

Avatar
#12 PerryK
December 06 2010, 06:47PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

"Ales Hemsky is at the point of his career where we can safely use the phrase "injury prone" when mentioning him. It could have major impact on the organization as they make their decisions moving forward. Do you prefer Hemsky for 40-65 games a season or a healthy Dustin Penner? I believe Ales Hemsky is a wonderful player, but from this point on the idea of signing him to a long term deal must be questioned by the organization. He's brittle, and that's a fact. Can he change his playing style and remain effective? Have no idea. But we do know that NHL salary caps are riddled with lost soldiers who signed long term deals and then couldn't answer the bell."

I don't know how these things start! But where and how did we the fans in the Oilogosphere come up with the consensus idea that it is either Penner or Hemsky? My math does not add up to "only one of these"!

If indeed our goal is to win the Stanley, we need every thing that both of those players bring to the game.

There are no other players among our current or future groups that can or will adequately duplicate the competence that these athletes provide. If we choose to let one or both of them leave, we will be looking for some one else to fill those roles. Where are you going to find that?

Sorry about the rant! Just my 2 cents.

Avatar
#13 Lead Hands McLezy - Team FIST
December 06 2010, 06:48PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Meow that is interesting..

Hemksy being offered up by the fans? Tides have turned in Oilers nation... He is sick, he is exciting, he's not afraid to get dirty, and sometimes pays the price for it...Anybody can hurt their groin though.

I dont see us getting package worth taking for a player with his talent.

This guy is money when he plays, so unless we are guaranteed drafting in the top 2 come draft day, and we get offered up another top 5 pick for him, i dont see why we would trade our top player.

Avatar
#15 Oilcruzer
December 06 2010, 06:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Aleslav Smidsky wrote:

You can't trade injured players.

Unless you trade Kessel to Burke?

Avatar
#16 PerryK
December 06 2010, 06:59PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Lowetide wrote:

I love Hemsky's game. I'd love to have him sign here long term and be part of the team when they get back and win the Stanley.

But is it a good idea to sign someone with this injury history to a long term deal? Leaving aside the shock at the idea of trading him, does it make sense to sign him to a long term deal?

Well, let me put it this way!

Hemsky is so talented that we think of him only in terms of his amazing feats at the game of hockey. May be it is time for some one to point out that he is more than just a talented player. The man's intangibles and will to win are second to none.

Remember Game 6 v. Detroit in 2006?

Avatar
#17 olderthendirt
December 06 2010, 07:01PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I watched both games here in Winterpeg this weekend. Omark is where he belongs at this time. He is better when he remembers how to pass, but I was not impressed with this speed or desire. The main thing he has going is is ability to be in the right place (at the AHL level). I wonder if he would really help the big club. O'mara seemed solid, would be my preference. And Mr. Belle is the number 6 defenceman in my mind.

Avatar
#18 Aleslav Smidsky
December 06 2010, 07:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Lowetide wrote:

I love Hemsky's game. I'd love to have him sign here long term and be part of the team when they get back and win the Stanley.

But is it a good idea to sign someone with this injury history to a long term deal? Leaving aside the shock at the idea of trading him, does it make sense to sign him to a long term deal?

Yes, it makes sense to sign him.

I love how having a flu is justification for injury prone label.

These comments are nothing but jokes, they must be. I refuse to believe the most of Oiler fans are this stupid. Are you guys? Whats the point of this talk?

Avatar
#19 Oilcruzer
December 06 2010, 07:05PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

The age-old question always came up... Who was better? Gretzky or Lemieux? Not many would argue that if Lemieux could have stayed healthy (back and Hodgkins), he had the best chance to meet or beat Wayne's totals.

That "if" is huge. The but is bigger.

But would you be happy to just take chances on someone who may be around? I would. Cuz the times he is there gives you a better team.

And, he entertains when he is there... And this is also entertainment if not a way of life.

Just plan around it, knowing he will be hurt more often than the average, and save him for playoffs.

Avatar
#20 Dennis
December 06 2010, 07:08PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Taking a look at his injury history leaves me a little less concerned because if this was another shoulder injury then my mind would be made up 100% that it was time to forget about him going forward.

Copy and pasted from when I posted this over at LT's before he posted this thread.

Here are the three things to consider in light of this news:

A: does this mean you can never count on him again?

B: does this impact how the Oilers view him going forward in terms of making him a permanent piece?

C: how much does this affect his trade value?

Avatar
#23 Mitch
December 06 2010, 07:15PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@ Lowetide both Penner and Hemsky will become cap casualities, when you have to look at giving Hall between 8-10m a yr, Eberle near the same the oilers will look at taking prospects and picks, this is only a example on 2 players and todays rosters only allow so many highend players. If I was Katz I would be pushing to get rid of gauranteed contracts, the salary cap system doesn't work, not with gauranteed contracts anyhow. The more you watch the games in the southern states, can Gary Bettman please explain why the cap is going up again?

Also Katz doesn't want to privately fund the arena, but quick math just on player payroll tells me he would spend 400-500m in about 7-8 yrs, he can't afford to fund the most important piece which is the building? Just a thought. I like Rich Winters idea with the seats to sell them like condos creative thinking at least.

Avatar
#24 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 06 2010, 07:23PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Too much risk for a long term deal now. unless he'll sign for 2 years or less (which I can't see happening) it's time to move him.

Avatar
#25 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 06 2010, 07:24PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Mitch wrote:

@ Lowetide both Penner and Hemsky will become cap casualities, when you have to look at giving Hall between 8-10m a yr, Eberle near the same the oilers will look at taking prospects and picks, this is only a example on 2 players and todays rosters only allow so many highend players. If I was Katz I would be pushing to get rid of gauranteed contracts, the salary cap system doesn't work, not with gauranteed contracts anyhow. The more you watch the games in the southern states, can Gary Bettman please explain why the cap is going up again?

Also Katz doesn't want to privately fund the arena, but quick math just on player payroll tells me he would spend 400-500m in about 7-8 yrs, he can't afford to fund the most important piece which is the building? Just a thought. I like Rich Winters idea with the seats to sell them like condos creative thinking at least.

Just so we're clear here, you think Hall/Eberle will be two of the top 4-5 cap hit players in the league?

Avatar
#26 Muji 狗
December 06 2010, 07:26PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Hall @ $8M - 10M?!? If the Oilers have to pay that much, we'll all be f'ing ecstatic :D

Avatar
#27 Mitch
December 06 2010, 07:38PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Just so we're clear here, you think Hall/Eberle will be two of the top 4-5 cap hit players in the league?

Were talking 3yrs from now it's a possibility, Hemsky will ask for probably 7m a yr, Horcoff makes 5.5 I think, and he's not going anywhere.

Avatar
#28 Oilers4ever
December 06 2010, 07:44PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

So then sign him for a couple years and Tambi should tell him this straight up.. "We're concerned about your injuries and have seen with other teams what has happened when players who look injury prone sign long term contracts and don't want to risk that. We're trying to build a cup contender here Ales that we want you to be a part of, but we need the cash to pay our young talent too so we don't end up like the Hawks. We hope you understand where we are coming from with this. After the two years, if we find that things are better, then we'll lay down a long term contract for you to finish your entire career here. With the money saved we can sign our other young guys and start another dynasty. What do you say Ales, are you in?"

If he doesn't like that then punt his arse... because realitically as ziggy and zaggy as he is, we would be fine without him.. hard to say that and maybe see it, yes. But the way Hall and Ebs are playing right now.. if Magnus gets going and if Omark pans out like he should, plus Lander, Pitlick et al, we would be fine without him folks.. we really would... But I hope he'd agree to the above instead. :)

Avatar
#29 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 06 2010, 07:51PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Mitch wrote:

Were talking 3yrs from now it's a possibility, Hemsky will ask for probably 7m a yr, Horcoff makes 5.5 I think, and he's not going anywhere.

Ya I don't think so. Both guys would have to be 100+ point guys. Not happening.

Avatar
#30 Mitch
December 06 2010, 08:22PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ya I don't think so. Both guys would have to be 100+ point guys. Not happening.

The way contracts are going I bet they will reach close to what I have predicted.

Avatar
#31 Jmask5
December 06 2010, 08:27PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I hate Groin injuries. When I had it it took me a month of no physical activity to get rid of it. But I didn't have any world class doctors taking care of me so that's why I was surprised to hear he'd be out a month.

Avatar
#32 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 06 2010, 08:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Mitch wrote:

The way contracts are going I bet they will reach close to what I have predicted.

Going as in stagnating for the last few years?

You're on. I'll bet anything Hall isn't over 9 million and Eberle isn't over 6.5.

Avatar
#33 Dennis
December 06 2010, 08:53PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Lowetide

If he plays less than 60 games this year then it's probably a no but there are some things to consider.

A: will he give you a discount because of his injury history or because he likes the look of what the club's building? at what point do you find a number where you're comfortable with the evidence that he might lose a lot of GP a year?

B: word is the cap could go up by 3 mill this season and maybe more to follow later on because it looks like ESPN's getting ready to put a bid on for the US TV rights and thus the league might start to make some real money in that regard. So, we might have more money to play with as well.

But if he misses a big number of games this year and he's asking for market value? Then, no, I don't think it would be a good investment.

That contract he signed was one of the few really great things that Lowe did on his own - the Pronger move and Peca as well were done because the Oilers had been so cheap under Nichols pre-lockout and thus had the room to eat salaries - and it's a shame that he might never play in a playoff game while he was under those terms.

And that was signed five seasons ago.

Anyway, healthy or no I wouldn't want him playing a game in the 2012 season unless we've signed him to another pact.

So, if this is another longterm injury this is probably the beginning of the end of him as an Oiler.

Avatar
#34 Aitch
December 06 2010, 09:26PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I'm not sure what to think of Hemsky on a go forward basis. Right now the team appears top heavy and unless Tambo can find some a couple of upgrades on D and/or Dubnyk turns out to be one of the late blossomers ala Belfour or Thomas, I don't think we can realistically look at this team as a solid Cup Contender. So, who are you really hitching your horses to? Hemsky and Penner's group? Or are you thinking the window really opens early in 4/14/91's second contract?

IMO, Hemsky and/or Penner may need to be jettisoned to get some D prospects. I say prospects because no one is going to part with the D we need, as anyone picking up one of these two are probably loading up for a Cup run themselves.

I would like to think that Hemsky would want to be a part of a long-term rebuild in Edmonton. But is he really going to take on his second team-friendly contract in a row for it? The Oilers might be able to offer him a loaded one-year contract before the Three Amigos get their first big raises, but that's it. After that, there's only so much you can spend at forward. (Hey, even the first dynasty with all that firepower had Hall of Famers on the blueline and in goal.)

Our only hope is that Hall and Eberle turn into the type of players that other players want to play with. Early on, Hall does seem to have that aura that other players will gravitate to. The kid has hockey charisma. And Eberle is so cool, he has icewater running through his veins. Perhaps we can attract a developing d-man or goalie going UFA early in their career. Barring that wait-and-see attitude, we're back to the trade route as an option.

Hemsky's injuries don't really bother me either for this season or the future. (My hope for this season is to be just bad enough to get in the lottery and then win it!) Like several others have pointed out, his injury situation is all over the place. They appear to be one-offs. He gets over 'em. However, I'm not fully convinced that anyone ever recovers 100% from a major injury. It takes a toll. (I hurt my knee 19 years ago and I still have bad days... which causes you to compensate with other muscles, ligaments, etc...) So, is he slowly getting worn down all over? Hard to say.

I'm not opposed to trading Hemsky; I'd trade my mother for the right deal. But this doesn't automatically send out the feelers for me. However, I might listen a little more closely to those coming in.

Avatar
#35 Senator Theo
December 06 2010, 09:31PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Mitch wrote:

Were talking 3yrs from now it's a possibility, Hemsky will ask for probably 7m a yr, Horcoff makes 5.5 I think, and he's not going anywhere.

Who would you compare Ales to when you guess that he would ask for 7MM per year?

Avatar
#36 Senator Theo
December 06 2010, 09:34PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Oilers4ever

You`re counting on a lot of guys there that have never played an NHL game.

Avatar
#37 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
December 06 2010, 10:01PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

I blame all of Hemsky's injuries on Horcoff.....or maybe rap music.

Avatar
#38 Dave
December 06 2010, 10:05PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I am so glad ON bloggers do not have any influence on the Oilers!

Avatar
#39 Harlie
December 06 2010, 10:14PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

it's the flu one's that stick out at me.

On to a guy that is fighting for his career, has Cogs missed a game yet? I've goated on him all season for his play but he is starting to pull his numbers out of the toilet. Also, his face was re-arranged sans anesthetics over the course of 3 different incidents, I gotta admire his heart and toughness. I still want him dealt but I give the kid props.

Avatar
#40 positivebrontefan
December 06 2010, 10:46PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I get what you all are saying and I get the article, but it's Hemmer for crying out loud, he's been the only thing to get us up out of our seats for the last 4-5 years.

Lets, not give up on him yet. It's not like he has injured the same things twice resulting in a "chronic" injury. That being said, it may be in his best interest to maybe adjust his style of play a bit.

Avatar
#41 Sandra Blood
December 06 2010, 10:50PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Bringing up Omara is the best option,Je's been groomed as a fourth line center who can kill penalities, and take draws. Something Fraser can't do. Maybe try trade Fraser or wave him.

As for Hemsky,sign him to a long term deal also Penner depending on the contract. Trade Cogs and Brule, Stortini, and bring the depth from the organization.

Avatar
#42 Chaz
December 06 2010, 10:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

My answer: Yes you sign him long term, plain and simple. I don't care if he's injury prone, he's our best player and will continue to get better. He's had injury problems, like about 65% of the other players in the league. Sign him.

Avatar
#43 Horcsky
December 06 2010, 11:19PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Chaz wrote:

My answer: Yes you sign him long term, plain and simple. I don't care if he's injury prone, he's our best player and will continue to get better. He's had injury problems, like about 65% of the other players in the league. Sign him.

The part where you say, "He's had injury problems, like about 65% of the other players in the league" raises two interesting questions (for me anyways). What is the mean and standard deviation number of games missed per season for a player, by the time he's into his late 20's? Can we predict injuries in later seasons by a player's injury history?

Not trying to dictate content, but I'd love to see some stats on my first question. Willis? Lowetide?

Avatar
#44 Archaeologuy
December 06 2010, 11:27PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers

Hemsky has a groin injury so now it's time to move him? Horcoff had a bum shoulder when he was given the contract of a life time. Relax people.

The Oilers dont have to sign him to a 15 year Rick DiPietro type deal. Hemsky is the best offensive player on the team, at least for now, but he hasnt put up the raw numbers that translate to huge money. It just doesnt work that way in today's NHL. And term is the same. It's the top 10% (maybe less) that get those kinds of contracts. As good as Hemsky is, it's hard to argue he's top 10% in the league.

He might be moved before the end of his term, but it shouldnt be until at least the Oilers have a chance to negotiate an extension.

Avatar
#45 m3sh
December 06 2010, 11:30PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

His medical list doesn't really merit a title of "brittle" IMHO... he plays hard and goes into hard areas and pays the price sometimes. He also played on a team for these last 3 years (where majority of his injuries are), that was soft as melting ice cream. I actually think Hemsky is tough as nails, for all the pounding he takes along the boards.

Agreed with poster above that if there was a running string of shoulder injuries then we might have to worry about whether he's part of the picture at the end of 2011-2012 season. But when the most recurring issue is the flu... meh.

Avatar
#46 Sandra Blood
December 06 2010, 11:30PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Garfield is claiming the Oilers have put a claim on Todd White off of waivers, Still 14hours away. Hmm thats why no one has been called up.

Avatar
#47 magisterrex
December 07 2010, 04:33AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Thought I heard that Hemsky's looking for 5.5M average for his next deal. Don't recall if that was Stauffer's show or not, though. I'd jump at that offer if I was ST.

Avatar
#48 Hemmertime
December 07 2010, 05:14AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@magisterrex

5.5? Hellz ya.

It's like taking Gaborik, though not as risky but not as skilled (goal scoring wise, Hemsky still #1 in my heart). The Rangers signed him to 7.5 mil for 5 years after he only played 18 games the previous season. 76 GP: 42 G 44 A +15. I don't think they're regretting. Suprisingly too... 59 hits and 31 blocked shots - only year I could find data in 3 seconds on that. Maybe hes made of glass but with those indicators he sure aint a p*ssy. Glad he went to east. Sure Gabby has missed abit this season but meh.

Comments are closed for this article.