Looking to the future...

Jason Gregor
March 12 2010 09:59AM

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When your team is worst in the league, looking towards the future is sometimes the only solace you have. Earlier this week The Hockey News hit the newsstands with their always-anticipated Future Watch edition. It ranks the top 75 prospects in the NHL, and for the first time ever the Oilers had two guys in the top eleven.

The Hockey News gathers info from every NHL head scout and some other scouts and then compiles the rankings. Here are the top eleven across the NHL:

  1. Alex Pietrangelo, (4th, 2008) D-man, St. Louis Blues
  2. Jacob Markstrom (31st, 2008) Goalie, Florida Panters
  3. Oliver Ekman-Larsson (6th, 2009) D-man, Phoenix Coyotes
  4. Cody Hodgson, (10th, 2008) Centre, Vancouver Canucks
  5. John Carlson (27th, 2008) Defence Washington Capitals
  6. Jordan Eberle (22nd, 2008) Winger, Edmonton Oilers
  7. Nikita Filatov (6th, 2008) LW, Columbus Blue Jackets
  8. Colin Wilson (7th, 2008) Centre, Nashville Predators
  9. Luca Sbisa (19th, 2008) D-man, Anaheim Ducks
  10. Brayden Schenn (5th, 2009) Centre, Los Angeles Kings
  11. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson (10th, 2009) LW, Edmonton Oilers

The only other Oiler prospect in the top-75 was D-man Jeff Petry who was ranked 56th. I put winger beside Eberle’s name because he is comfortable playing either wing. Colin Wilson is ranked 8th, but is currently playing in Nashville. The surprise in the top ten has to be Ekman-Larsson. Many people were shocked when Phoenix took him 6th last year, but clearly he continues to progress. The Coyotes have lots of good young players in their organization.

The THN also ranks the top ten players in each organization and it is interesting to see that Linus Omark is ranked 9th within the Oiler organization.

  1. Jordan Eberle
  2. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
  3. Jeff Petry
  4. Taylor Chorney
  5. Anton Lander
  6. Teemu Hartikainen
  7. Alex Plante
  8. Riley Nash
  9. Linus Omark
  10. Johan Motin

Hartikainen is a name to look for in the future. I know the Oiler scouts like his skating, grit and he has some decent finish. The 6th rounder in 2008 is currently playing for KalPa Kuopio in Finland, and he has 12 goals and 28 points in 49 games. He is 6’1” and 200 pounds and he plays with a bit of “crust”. You might see him come over here this upcoming season, but it isn’t guaranteed yet.

Omark’s ranking should calm some of those who have been calling for him to come here and be a lock in the top-six. If he expects a guarantee to play in Edmonton then I can’t see him coming over here. He does have an out-clause in his KHL contract that would allow him to come over next year, and maybe he comes, goes to camp and if he doesn’t make the team he goes back to the KHL and collect $1.2 million rather than $75,000 in the AHL.

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#51 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 01:51PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

MacT wasn't Schremps only coach with those concerns.

I'm happy to read the quotes from his other coaches if you have the links.

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#52 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 12 2010, 01:51PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I'm happy to read the quotes from his other coaches if you have the links.

Willis did a 5 page blog on it in the summer.

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#53 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 01:51PM
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@Archaeologuy

Not trying to be difficult here Arch but read my initial comment (10) and subsequent one (39). I said that it would have been nice to get something for him as opposed to losing him to waivers. I'm as critical of management here as the next guy (unless JW is the next guy) and I think that they have failed to manage the asset properly because if they did so we could have got something for him if it was done earlier in the process..

That said, when they were putting together the line up this year there wasn't room for him and the team made its decision. I don't think there were too many people that were screaming to put Rob on the squad last fall after camp and preseason. At that point they had to decide if the collection of smurfs were going to include people that had more to bring to the table than being a PP specialist. I agreed with it then and I agree with it now. Should something have been done sooner? Sure, but a lot of that is on Mac-T.

As far as him having issues his history is well documented from junior on up. I don't think he was ever with the big club long enough to cause a problem but if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/7164/the_revealing_of_rob_schremp/

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#54 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 12 2010, 01:53PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

ROB SCHREMP 44GP 7-18-25 -4 8PIM 5PPP

ROBERT NILSSON 49GP 8-15-23 -18 12PIM 3PPP

Only real difference I see is $$

I'm no expert, nor am I a Rob Scremp fan, but it seems to me that they could have waived Nilsson to keep Schremp and save the money without putting themselves in any worse of a situation, no?

And to go one step farther: I think your Nilsson = Schremp comparison is basically bang on.... now, it's resonable to believe that Nilsson could be done in the NHL as early as next year so it should be also resonable to believe that their would be a pretty good chance that Schremp wont last more then another year or two in the NHL.

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#55 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 01:53PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I agree, but what's the point? Why would the team waive Nilsson 1 to bring in Nilsson 2?

Saves money. Maybe that extra wiggle room keeps Tambellini from trading Visnovsky for Lamefoot McSurgeryRequired at the deadline. What does it matter? The team dropped the ball, surprise.

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#56 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 12 2010, 01:54PM
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rubbertrout wrote:

Not trying to be difficult here Arch but read my initial comment (10) and subsequent one (39). I said that it would have been nice to get something for him as opposed to losing him to waivers. I'm as critical of management here as the next guy (unless JW is the next guy) and I think that they have failed to manage the asset properly because if they did so we could have got something for him if it was done earlier in the process..

That said, when they were putting together the line up this year there wasn't room for him and the team made its decision. I don't think there were too many people that were screaming to put Rob on the squad last fall after camp and preseason. At that point they had to decide if the collection of smurfs were going to include people that had more to bring to the table than being a PP specialist. I agreed with it then and I agree with it now. Should something have been done sooner? Sure, but a lot of that is on Mac-T.

As far as him having issues his history is well documented from junior on up. I don't think he was ever with the big club long enough to cause a problem but if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/7164/the_revealing_of_rob_schremp/

Also, it was Quinn that cut Schremp, so that's two sets of proffesional eyes that didn't think he was good enough.

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#57 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 12 2010, 01:55PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Saves money. Maybe that extra wiggle room keeps Tambellini from trading Visnovsky for Lamefoot McSurgeryRequired at the deadline. What does it matter? The team dropped the ball, surprise.

I'm fairly confident that Vishnosky wasn't traded over a million bucks.

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#58 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 01:56PM
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@rubbertrout

You can count me in Schremp's corner. I wanted him to get a real shot last year blah blah blah. It doesnt matter now anyway.

Read the article you linked. Nothing in it supports the idea that Schremp was a poisonous player.

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#59 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 01:57PM
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@ Rosscreek

Sure they could have waived Nilsson and assumed that nobody was going to pick him up because of the contract but I thought on re-entry waivers the Oil would have to pay for half of it (and don't thay have some kind of cap hit too?--I don't know and I'd appreciate if someone smarter than me could fill me in).

If they did have a cap hit AND had to pay for half of the contract that might have been the reason as opposed to Robbie's 2 way deal for $750K with the big club and $75K with the AHL.

I'm not positive about the process though and I'd appreciate if someone who knows could inform me.

EDIT: Something tells me that it is only to do with veteran contracts but I can't recall.

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#60 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 01:58PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'm fairly confident that Vishnosky wasn't traded over a million bucks.

I can say, no word of a lie, that I honestly dont know why he was traded essentially straight up for Whitney. The money saving aspect almost makes sense until you think about it. I went with that.

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#61 Thor
March 12 2010, 01:59PM
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I agree that Omark would not get a top 5 pick in this cosmic dimension.

For the guys that know way more than myself what do you see the chances of getting Boston's Leaf pick should Toronto finish 29th?

Say a Hemsky and Oiler's 2011 1st round pick for Boston's Leaf 1st rounder and either a salary dump or a high 2010 second round pick.

Or what do you think would make Boston say yes?

Thoughts?

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#62 RossCreekNation
March 12 2010, 02:03PM
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rubbertrout wrote:

I love how people look at Schremp with 20/20 hindsight. Given the number of smurfs the Oil had (and has) is keeping one more of them with a limited skill set a good idea?

~Yeah sure we should have known that Hemsky was going to hurt himself so we could use another body for the PP~

Give me a break.

~Yeah sure we should have known that Hemsky was going to hurt himself so we could use another body for the PP~

Thats not the point. Nilsson and Schremp are basically seen as "PP specialists" (of the 2nd unit variety). They could've just as easily cut bait with one Rob for anotherand kept Schremp instead of Nilsson. No way I would have kept both, though.

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#63 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 02:06PM
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@Thor

They arent trading the pick

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#64 RossCreekNation
March 12 2010, 02:06PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

And to go one step farther: I think your Nilsson = Schremp comparison is basically bang on.... now, it's resonable to believe that Nilsson could be done in the NHL as early as next year so it should be also resonable to believe that their would be a pretty good chance that Schremp wont last more then another year or two in the NHL.

We basically agree. Schremp being here instead of Nilsson doesn't make this team any better or worse, so what's the point in arguing either way? Answer: Because thats what we do here at TheNation, lol.

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#65 Bucknuck
March 12 2010, 02:07PM
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Thor wrote:

I agree that Omark would not get a top 5 pick in this cosmic dimension.

For the guys that know way more than myself what do you see the chances of getting Boston's Leaf pick should Toronto finish 29th?

Say a Hemsky and Oiler's 2011 1st round pick for Boston's Leaf 1st rounder and either a salary dump or a high 2010 second round pick.

Or what do you think would make Boston say yes?

Thoughts?

I can't see Boston trading it, but Hemsky, Gagner and a 2nd round pick might be enough if we take some salary in return.

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#66 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 02:09PM
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@RossCreekNation

It is still hindsight to say it should have been one over the other when according to you it was essentially a coin flip subject to the money stuff that I haven't heard an answer on). Maybe they wanted/needed to show that the Smytty trade wasn't a complete debacle otherwise all we'd hear was that they traded Smyth for a guy they waived.

I'm in agreement that they could have done a better job managing the assets and I have been all along.

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#67 Tracie
March 12 2010, 02:11PM
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Thor wrote:

I agree that Omark would not get a top 5 pick in this cosmic dimension.

For the guys that know way more than myself what do you see the chances of getting Boston's Leaf pick should Toronto finish 29th?

Say a Hemsky and Oiler's 2011 1st round pick for Boston's Leaf 1st rounder and either a salary dump or a high 2010 second round pick.

Or what do you think would make Boston say yes?

Thoughts?

Nothing would make Boston trade that pick! NOTHING! Why would they? If you were in their shoes, getting a young superstar or trading for an expensive superstar, it would be a no brainer. the Only way Boston would even look at trading that pick is if they had a young superstar in the minors and didn't have room for young guys in the big leagues and that's not the case! they actually need more scoring depth! There is no way Boston trades TO's pick! I'd love to have it, but there is no way, unless Tambo knows Jedi mind tricks or something!

EDIT: is there anyone in the league that you would trade our first pick for? Boston is in the same boat we are, TO's pick could be 1st overall for them. Is there anyone in the league you would trade it for? Is there anyone on our team that you would trade it for? No, there's your answer!P>

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#68 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 02:17PM
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@Tracie

These arent the no-trade clauses you're looking for.

*waves hand across from the left to right like a very reserved member of The Village People*

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#69 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 02:18PM
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@Archaeologuy

That made me spit coke on my computer.

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#70 Bucknuck
March 12 2010, 02:19PM
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@Archaeologuy

How about this:

Cogs and 2nd rounder gets you a mid first round pick.

that mid first rounder and second rounder gets you an even higher first rounder.

Then you package that with Hemsky for the 2nd overall. Voila - you have Hall and Seguin.

But here is the magic question - will either of those guys be better than Hemsky? I think it's even odds.

But yeah... Boston wouldn't trade it.

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#71 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 02:23PM
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@Bucknuck

I'm too big of a Hemsky fan to give you an objective answer.

I'm hoping that Tambi can package our* two 2nd rounders for a low end 1st. I think that's do-able. Let's start with that before dreaming about him getting the 1st and 2nd overall together.

*Note the use of the word "our" as if he is in any way a member of the Oilers Organization

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#72 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 02:23PM
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@Tracie

EDIT: is there anyone in the league that you would trade our first pick for? Boston is in the same boat we are, TO's pick could be 1st overall for them. Is there anyone in the league you would trade it for? Is there anyone on our team that you would trade it for? No, there's your answer!P>

There are lots of guys you would happily trade that pick for in some kind of package (Crosby, Ovechkin and others) but those guys aren't going to be traded. I'd make the trade with a lot of extras if it meant I was getting a bona fide star who was still young enough to build around and under contract even if it would cost me more to do so.

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#73 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 12 2010, 02:25PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I can say, no word of a lie, that I honestly dont know why he was traded essentially straight up for Whitney. The money saving aspect almost makes sense until you think about it. I went with that.

Ya I wasn't a big fan of the trade either (more for the rushed aspect) but getting 6 years younger does make some sense.

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#74 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 02:28PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

That is only 1 aspect of many that should be of importance to Tambellini. If Whitney was 23 and doing what he's doing, then his age might have more weight as far as I'm concerned.

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#75 BUCK75
March 12 2010, 02:30PM
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@Bucknuck

I don't understand why everyone would want both of them. I mean it's not like it's Ovechkin/Malkin or Stamkos/Doughty.

Besides that Kyle Turris was a projected #1 pick & what has he done lately. It's this kind of 'Saviour' talk that will disappoint us fans.

Giving up Hemsky a 'proven' 70 point guy for a hope & a prayer is ridiculous & desperate. Not saying I wouldn't trade Hemsky, but I would just expect a proven player for him.

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#76 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
March 12 2010, 02:32PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Willis did a 5 page blog on it in the summer.

then it should be easy to find.

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#77 Bucknuck
March 12 2010, 02:33PM
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@Archaeologuy

I think as fans we are entitled to use the word "our" when describing the Oilers. Without our support there are no Edmonton Oilers.

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#78 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
March 12 2010, 02:33PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

I don't understand why everyone would want both of them. I mean it's not like it's Ovechkin/Malkin or Stamkos/Doughty.

Besides that Kyle Turris was a projected #1 pick & what has he done lately. It's this kind of 'Saviour' talk that will disappoint us fans.

Giving up Hemsky a 'proven' 70 point guy for a hope & a prayer is ridiculous & desperate. Not saying I wouldn't trade Hemsky, but I would just expect a proven player for him.

I've heard comparisons to Stamkos this year, actually. I'd be ecstatic to have a player of that caliber in the system.

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#79 Jonathan Willis
March 12 2010, 02:37PM
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My big Schremp profile, from February 2009. Sorry about the formatting; it got wrecked when the site was updated. I think it holds up fairly well.

From the conclusion:

"Because of his level of offense, I’m content saying that Schremp is still likely to show up on an NHL team somewhere. It’s likely to be a team that needs offense at all costs; a team willing to put up with the many weaknesses in Schremp’s game because of his proven abilities on the powerplay and in sheltered minutes."

"The Oilers have almost certainly handled Schremp badly. Once he was passed by so many younger players in need of sheltered offensive minutes, a trade would likely have been in the interests of both Schremp and the Oilers, because he’s rotting on the vine in Springfield."

"That said, the folks who feel that Schremp’s an excellent player who isn’t being allowed to succeed because of Craig MacTavish’s distaste for him need to wake up. Schremp’s been benched and scratched by his OHL coach, passed over repeatedly by the coaches on the American U-20 teams, as well as scratched and publicly criticized by his first AHL coach. Craig MacTavish made some classless public statements, but Schremp has always run into trouble with his coaches because of the limits to his game. He isn’t a wunderkind; he’s a useful offensive player in tightly controlled situations, but he needs to land on a team that needs him so much they’re willing to overlook his deficiencies, or on a team that can stick him with capable and responsible linemates who can compensate for those deficiencies. Edmonton is neither."

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#80 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 02:37PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I think as fans we are entitled to use the word "our" when describing the Oilers. Without our support there are no Edmonton Oilers.

So do I, but sometimes I catch myself reading into my role as armchair GM, Coach, and Scout a little too much.

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#81 Archaeologuy
March 12 2010, 02:40PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Thanks JW!

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#82 Bucknuck
March 12 2010, 02:42PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

I've heard comparisons to Stamkos this year, actually. I'd be ecstatic to have a player of that caliber in the system.

There is no doubt that both of them will be good players. What IS in doubt is that they will be superstars. Hemsky is not merely a good player, he is a great player.

Do you get Stamkos/Kane, or do you get Turris or Stefan or Daigle. Do you want to trade Hemsky for a chance that you might get a franchise player. Boston might make that trade... who knows. As for the Oilers I would hold some doubt that Hemsky will sign here in three years and might choose to take the risk.

I would be sad if they did trade Hemsky plus for a "maybe" though. Say what you want about "next level", but Hemsky is an incredibly entertaining hockey player and I would be sad to see him go regardless of the return.

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#83 Tracie
March 12 2010, 02:43PM
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rubbertrout wrote:
EDIT: is there anyone in the league that you would trade our first pick for? Boston is in the same boat we are, TO's pick could be 1st overall for them. Is there anyone in the league you would trade it for? Is there anyone on our team that you would trade it for? No, there's your answer!P>

There are lots of guys you would happily trade that pick for in some kind of package (Crosby, Ovechkin and others) but those guys aren't going to be traded. I'd make the trade with a lot of extras if it meant I was getting a bona fide star who was still young enough to build around and under contract even if it would cost me more to do so.

If I was GM, I think I would trade the pick if I was offered Crosby or Ovechkin...but you are right, those two will never be offered...I guess if Boston was looking for depth instead of just one good player and we offered them Hemsky and Eberle and our 2nd pick this year and our 1st pick next year, they might consider it, but again, only if they were looking for depth...but in my mind, Boston has two 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks and they can build depth cheaply...i don't think we have anything we can offer them for that pick...

Bucknuck probably has the best plan to acquiring that 2nd overall but alot of things need to fall into place before that happens! LOL! Not saying it can't happen, more so just that it would take alot to get it out of them...not just Hemsky and soemthing else...

Arch - LMAO!!!

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#84 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 12 2010, 02:46PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

That is only 1 aspect of many that should be of importance to Tambellini. If Whitney was 23 and doing what he's doing, then his age might have more weight as far as I'm concerned.

As sugested in the other thread I'd bet Vish was pushing for a deal as well.

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#85 RossCreekNation
March 12 2010, 02:46PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Pretty much bang on, except one part:

... but he needs to land on a team that needs him so much they’re willing to overlook his deficiencies, or on a team that can stick him with capable and responsible linemates who can compensate for those deficiencies. Edmonton is neither.

I would think that since you had the Oilers ranked 8th (ish ?), you felt that statement was true, but could they not be considered "a team that needs him so much they’re willing to overlook his deficiencies"?

Like I said, I'm no Schremp fan, but *THIS IS* thee worst team in hockey this year.

In any case, a saviour he is not. Next topic...

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#86 BUCK75
March 12 2010, 02:47PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

Who wouldn't be? I would love to have a 40 goal scorer on our team.

I just think that beyond the top couple of picks it is a crap shoot every year. We have I think 10 first round picks in the line-up now. Assuming Eberle plays a few games, & Whitney & Moreau can get/stay healthy we will have 11. We have got more first round picks playing on our team than any other team in the league. Point is you can't have achievable expectations for these guys.

If Hall/Seguin doesn't have 40 goal season in 2 years is it a bad pick? If Hall/Seguin is playing 3rd line minutes in 2 seasons is it a coaching or developing problem? If Eberle doesn't score 20 goals ever in a season, but becomes an everyday NHL player for 10 years is he a bust? It's all about perspective I guess.

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#87 Jonathan Willis
March 12 2010, 02:49PM
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@ RossCreek:

In February of 2009 that fit the Oilers description as a team; they were in playoff position (I believe) at that point and would only fall out later in the season, and with guys like Gagner, Cogliano, Nilsson, etc. there just didn't look to be room for him.

I'm still mad they didn't trade him earlier rather than losing him for nothing via waivers. As much as I was a critic of Schremp there are some nice things about him as a player.

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#88 RossCreekNation
March 12 2010, 02:54PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Would you have kept him over Nilsson given the bit of $ they could have saved (had they needed to use it elsewhere).

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#89 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
March 12 2010, 02:54PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Who wouldn't be? I would love to have a 40 goal scorer on our team.

I just think that beyond the top couple of picks it is a crap shoot every year. We have I think 10 first round picks in the line-up now. Assuming Eberle plays a few games, & Whitney & Moreau can get/stay healthy we will have 11. We have got more first round picks playing on our team than any other team in the league. Point is you can't have achievable expectations for these guys.

If Hall/Seguin doesn't have 40 goal season in 2 years is it a bad pick? If Hall/Seguin is playing 3rd line minutes in 2 seasons is it a coaching or developing problem? If Eberle doesn't score 20 goals ever in a season, but becomes an everyday NHL player for 10 years is he a bust? It's all about perspective I guess.

The other thing that people aren't mentioning is the fact that - even if Edmonton holds the top two picks - the lottery could turn them into a first and a third or a second and a third.

Do you package up Hemsky for Boston's (Toronto's) first, even if there's a chance our top two picks yield one of Hall/Seguin, and Fowler?

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#90 Ducey
March 12 2010, 02:54PM
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How come everytime there is slow day people need to have the Schremp argument and try and figure out how to get Boston's #1? :-)

You guys have it all wrong.

The Islanders are third last right now only 5 points up on the "streaking" Leafs. NYI could easily get the #2 pick and might even get the #1 if TO passes them.

Now Wang is as crazy as they come. He just might trade the #1 or #2 overall pick if the Oilers offered him a Hemsky or offered to take their goalie and his remaining 30 years off their hands. Hell, if you want you could even bring back Robbie as part of the deal.

Dipietro + Hockey Jesus + #2 pick for Hemsky?

The Wanger didn't trade away the chance to get Tavares last year but maybe he does this year?

Discuss.

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#91 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 02:56PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

then it should be easy to find.

http://oilersnation.com/2009/2/19/ahl-prospect-rankings-8-rob-schremp

EDIT: I can't keep up with the comments. JW beat me to the punch.

Hey JW how do you embed the links?

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March 12 2010, 02:59PM
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Ducey wrote:

How come everytime there is slow day people need to have the Schremp argument and try and figure out how to get Boston's #1? :-)

You guys have it all wrong.

The Islanders are third last right now only 5 points up on the "streaking" Leafs. NYI could easily get the #2 pick and might even get the #1 if TO passes them.

Now Wang is as crazy as they come. He just might trade the #1 or #2 overall pick if the Oilers offered him a Hemsky or offered to take their goalie and his remaining 30 years off their hands. Hell, if you want you could even bring back Robbie as part of the deal.

Dipietro + Hockey Jesus + #2 pick for Hemsky?

The Wanger didn't trade away the chance to get Tavares last year but maybe he does this year?

Discuss.

everybody wang-chung tonight

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March 12 2010, 03:00PM
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@Ducey

Well that's clearly the sanest thing I've seen here today*. Charles Wang + mystery box = surefire 1 & 2 picks.

* that doesn't say much, lol.

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#94 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
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http://oilersnation.com/2009/2/19/ahl-prospect-rankings-8-rob-schremp

EDIT: I can't keep up with the comments. JW beat me to the punch.

Hey JW how do you embed the links?

i seen that one. ogden referred to one from the summer.

***prays he doesnt get ogden'd for calling out the grande puuba***

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#95 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 03:00PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

everybody wang-chung tonight

Just when I thought Arch had the comment of the week with the Jedi mind trick bit you had to go and steal his thunder. Well done sir.

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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

There are some at Copper and Blue but the above link is the most detailed comment I could find from JW.

Beware the Ogdens.

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I just think that Hemsky has more value than an 18 year old kid. I wouldn't like MGMT to gamble like that. Season ticket holders are grumbling already, imagine if we traded Hemsky for 'promise' or 'potential' & one of the picks turned in Patrik Stefan...

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I just think that Hemsky has more value than an 18 year old kid. I wouldn't like MGMT to gamble like that. Season ticket holders are grumbling already, imagine if we traded Hemsky for 'promise' or 'potential' & one of the picks turned in Patrik Stefan...

100% agree. The DiPietro + Fowler + 2nd rounder deal for Hemsky doesn't great, either.

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