Looking to the future...

Jason Gregor
March 12 2010 09:59AM

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When your team is worst in the league, looking towards the future is sometimes the only solace you have. Earlier this week The Hockey News hit the newsstands with their always-anticipated Future Watch edition. It ranks the top 75 prospects in the NHL, and for the first time ever the Oilers had two guys in the top eleven.

The Hockey News gathers info from every NHL head scout and some other scouts and then compiles the rankings. Here are the top eleven across the NHL:

  1. Alex Pietrangelo, (4th, 2008) D-man, St. Louis Blues
  2. Jacob Markstrom (31st, 2008) Goalie, Florida Panters
  3. Oliver Ekman-Larsson (6th, 2009) D-man, Phoenix Coyotes
  4. Cody Hodgson, (10th, 2008) Centre, Vancouver Canucks
  5. John Carlson (27th, 2008) Defence Washington Capitals
  6. Jordan Eberle (22nd, 2008) Winger, Edmonton Oilers
  7. Nikita Filatov (6th, 2008) LW, Columbus Blue Jackets
  8. Colin Wilson (7th, 2008) Centre, Nashville Predators
  9. Luca Sbisa (19th, 2008) D-man, Anaheim Ducks
  10. Brayden Schenn (5th, 2009) Centre, Los Angeles Kings
  11. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson (10th, 2009) LW, Edmonton Oilers

The only other Oiler prospect in the top-75 was D-man Jeff Petry who was ranked 56th. I put winger beside Eberle’s name because he is comfortable playing either wing. Colin Wilson is ranked 8th, but is currently playing in Nashville. The surprise in the top ten has to be Ekman-Larsson. Many people were shocked when Phoenix took him 6th last year, but clearly he continues to progress. The Coyotes have lots of good young players in their organization.

The THN also ranks the top ten players in each organization and it is interesting to see that Linus Omark is ranked 9th within the Oiler organization.

  1. Jordan Eberle
  2. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
  3. Jeff Petry
  4. Taylor Chorney
  5. Anton Lander
  6. Teemu Hartikainen
  7. Alex Plante
  8. Riley Nash
  9. Linus Omark
  10. Johan Motin

Hartikainen is a name to look for in the future. I know the Oiler scouts like his skating, grit and he has some decent finish. The 6th rounder in 2008 is currently playing for KalPa Kuopio in Finland, and he has 12 goals and 28 points in 49 games. He is 6’1” and 200 pounds and he plays with a bit of “crust”. You might see him come over here this upcoming season, but it isn’t guaranteed yet.

Omark’s ranking should calm some of those who have been calling for him to come here and be a lock in the top-six. If he expects a guarantee to play in Edmonton then I can’t see him coming over here. He does have an out-clause in his KHL contract that would allow him to come over next year, and maybe he comes, goes to camp and if he doesn’t make the team he goes back to the KHL and collect $1.2 million rather than $75,000 in the AHL.

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#151 swany
March 12 2010, 04:45PM
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What's this with Schremp again I thought this was about the future of the Oilers last time I looked Schremp doesn't play here, as far as the future I would love to see all the guys make it this year Eberle, Hall and MPS. Here's a new topic, out of Nilsson PattyO Brule Gagner and Cogs who goes who stays. I see the Oil buying out Nilsson and PattyO because of the under 25 rule (costs only 1/3) I see Brule staying put he skates fast and is physical. so now between Cogs and Gagner who gets traded? Gagner will get you alot more, but would the Oil even look at a deal involving Gagner. I hope the lines next year go Penner, Gagner, Hemmer 2nd line of MPS, Hall, Eberle 3rd line of Blank, Horc, Blank fill in the spaces this way you can really shelter that second line, and boy would it be fast.

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#152 Chris.
March 12 2010, 04:51PM
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@swany

What's this with Schremp again

Exactly. If Schremp were still an Oiler he'd just be joining O'Sullivan, Nilsson, and probably Cogliano on the way out the door.

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#153 Matt Henderson
March 12 2010, 04:52PM
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Chris. wrote:
What's this with Schremp again

Exactly. If Schremp were still an Oiler he'd just be joining O'Sullivan, Nilsson, and probably Cogliano on the way out the door.

but maybe they'd be able to get something for him.

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#154 Matt Henderson
March 12 2010, 04:56PM
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Sorry JG, I try to respond to you but the site does not want me to, some random bug maybe.

My being in the Schremp corner has more to do with me believing that given the chance he could do exactly what he's proven he could do given a long enough opportunity. I believed that before and argued that point here at ON ad nauseum.

He left with no value. Do you still think that no one would offer a pick of any kind for him based on what he's done with the Islanders.

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#155 rubbertrout
March 12 2010, 04:58PM
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@Chris.

I'm tired of all the Horcoff bashing. It's gotten old.

Guys stop feeding our back from IP ban troll (Hans Baur Hatecoff Smidsky Watson if there was any doubt). He is going to keep going down the "I hate Horcoff" road with unreadable and nonsensical drivel. There is no point in engaging him. He feeds off your hate and it makes him stronger.

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#156 Chris.
March 12 2010, 05:01PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

but maybe they'd be able to get something for him.

Now that is an interesting argument...

But remember, out of training camp, the Oilers had to get down to a 23 man roster. Also, there was good reason to believe that they could sneak Schremp through.

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#157 swany
March 12 2010, 05:02PM
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@Matt Henderson

Back to the future boys still on Schremp what about the topic at hand like the future of the Oil and who's here now and won't be next season, and who will be next season. With a full rebuild I still would like to see 3 rookies in the lineup next year. Also what is going to happen with the D is Souray gone or will they keep him now (I would keep him to play with Whitney because we need a Shooter) so we go Souray, Whitney second pair of Gilbert, Smid last Pair of Johnson, Peckham.

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#158 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 05:02PM
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@rubbertrout

LoL

I was waiting for you to come. Where were you the last few hours?

What hate? Don't be rude just because we watch hockey from a different set of brains eyes.

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#159 Matt Henderson
March 12 2010, 05:13PM
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@swany

Yeah, but sometimes it's just nice to take the time to look back on the things you were right about.

But yeah, cant change it now.

I'm fine with 3 rookies in the lineup, if they are honestly better than what the Oil have.

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#160 RossCreekNation
March 12 2010, 05:13PM
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@Mike Modano's Dog

So, the question is can we compare them to: Lafontaine and Yzerman? That year you couldn't lose with either of them!

There were 2 losers that year - Minnesota (Brian Lawton, 1st) and Hartford (Sylvain Turgeon, 2nd).

EDIT: I see you addressed this later in the same (lengthy) post.

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#161 dunciano
March 12 2010, 05:16PM
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swany wrote:

Back to the future boys still on Schremp what about the topic at hand like the future of the Oil and who's here now and won't be next season, and who will be next season. With a full rebuild I still would like to see 3 rookies in the lineup next year. Also what is going to happen with the D is Souray gone or will they keep him now (I would keep him to play with Whitney because we need a Shooter) so we go Souray, Whitney second pair of Gilbert, Smid last Pair of Johnson, Peckham.

I think Souray will be traded.

What do you think they could get for him?

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#162 dunciano
March 12 2010, 05:18PM
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I guess if we're going to rebuild we gotta DO this .

Trade any with value now to speed up rebuild.

ie. Trade Penner for a 1st, Souray for a 2nd,

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#163 Eddie Shore
March 12 2010, 05:44PM
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Chris. wrote:

I'm tired of all the Horcoff bashing. It's gotten old.

Horcoff has played big minutes for this club all year against the toughest opposition with a first degree shoulder seperation. He has size, moves well, and aside from Potulny, is the only Oiler forward with a dangerous shot.

Yes... Horcoff, like almost every single other Oiler, has had a bad year.

And Yes..!. Horcoff is overpayed...GET OVER IT! That point has been made ad nausium; besides this team will have $10m in cap space for next season anyway.

I'd argue Brule, O'Sullivan and even Pisani all have a more dangerous shot than Horcoff. First degree shoulder seperation? I doubt it. So he's been playing all season with a seperated shoulder on the worst team in the NHL? That makes 0 sense...

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#164 oilerman53
March 12 2010, 05:58PM
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Trade Penner and Cogliano and maybe even throw in the second we got for Grebs to Boston for that Toronto pick, Boston to me always seems in the mindset of staying competitive and since competitiveness in Edmonton right now is about us stock piling good young players why not try and fleece Chiarelli into taking Penner and Cogs for the pick or a player and a pick. Maybe Lucic and the pick for these two guys?

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#167 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 06:06PM
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@Eddie Shore

Nillsons shot is pretty good too.

I hate Horcoffs game with a passion. I just don't understand where this love for him comes from. On top of all that the wack @ss excuse of the separated shoulder.

On a side note, how about them Gunners. That goal by Nasri was sick, WoW. If they don't decide to sell their kids again, I can see them becoming a force in the EPL.

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#168 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 06:10PM
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@oilerman53

Penner isn't going nowhere. He is a valuable power forward. It would make no sense for Oilers to get rid of him. Hate on him if you want, but there isn't many players like him in the league. I'm pretty sure it wasn't Cogliano and Smid that were bringing Heatley to Edmonton.

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#169 Red Deer Rebel
March 12 2010, 06:20PM
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@Jason Gregor

The Oilers tried to trade him, but no body wanted to give up anything for him. That isn't much of an asset in my mind.

The same applies to Moreau, Pisani, Horcoff, Nilsson, Strudwick, Stortini, and most of the rest of the junk on the Oilers roster.

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#170 Chris.
March 12 2010, 06:24PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

I'd argue Brule, O'Sullivan and even Pisani all have a more dangerous shot than Horcoff. First degree shoulder seperation? I doubt it. So he's been playing all season with a seperated shoulder on the worst team in the NHL? That makes 0 sense...

I don't know about Brule. I never really see him wire one from outside the faceoff circle. O'Sullivan has a nice release, and can get a shot off from anywhere... but IMO, his velocity is pretty brutal. When he was on the powerplay you could two count while the puck came in.

BTW, Horcoff did play with a first or second degree shoulder seperation earlier this year. He played through a lot of pain and others had to take draws for him. This kind of seperation requires rest and not surgery... Is it a coincidence that Horcoff's game has really improved since the Olympic break?

I'm not trying to be a Horcoff apologist. I know he has had a poor season... But the sheer level of vitriol aimed at Horcoff is uncalled for.

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#171 Matt Henderson
March 12 2010, 07:29PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I really don't think a team would, because they probably feel they could just pick him up on waivers if the Islanders waived him. I don't see him making an impact on a playoff team, so why would a playoff team give up a pick.

I see that, but we moved Brodziak for a 5th rounder in the summer. From my perspective, the Islanders could get at least that for Schremp this summer.

Either way, Schremp isnt a part of the Oiler picture anymore. I just hope that the Oilers learn their lesson about asset management before they reduce the value of another player who can actually play in the NHL (in at least some capacity) to nothing.

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#172 dunciano
March 12 2010, 07:30PM
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Rebuild manifesto:

1. Fearless, relentless FOCUS on the goal.

You want to win a cup in 5 years? Doesn't matter what your roster looks like next year or the year after. Your roster 5 years from now is what matters.

Amass draft picks.

Trade Penner for an early 1st, Whitney for a late 1st, Souray for a 2nd etc.

By the time we want to be winners (remember our goal now - 5 years)Penner and Whitney etc will have become UFA's, we may have been able to resign them and maybe not, chances are they will leave to go to a winner, or we will have traded them at the future trade deadline for the same level of draft picks...

So trade them now so you have the young'ns in 5 years blossoming.

You want Penner and Whitney that bad, you may be able to sign them as UFA's in 5 years anyways.

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#173 Pajamah
March 12 2010, 08:18PM
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All day today I heard about The Hockey News future watch..... Has it been released yet, because by the sweet name of Allah, I cannot find said copy of it anywhere

I wanna read me some prospecticus!!!

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#174 Thor
March 12 2010, 08:22PM
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dunciano wrote:

Rebuild manifesto:

1. Fearless, relentless FOCUS on the goal.

You want to win a cup in 5 years? Doesn't matter what your roster looks like next year or the year after. Your roster 5 years from now is what matters.

Amass draft picks.

Trade Penner for an early 1st, Whitney for a late 1st, Souray for a 2nd etc.

By the time we want to be winners (remember our goal now - 5 years)Penner and Whitney etc will have become UFA's, we may have been able to resign them and maybe not, chances are they will leave to go to a winner, or we will have traded them at the future trade deadline for the same level of draft picks...

So trade them now so you have the young'ns in 5 years blossoming.

You want Penner and Whitney that bad, you may be able to sign them as UFA's in 5 years anyways.

In my opinion, this line of thinking includes Hemsky. I proposed earlier in this thread that Hemsky and a pick, maybe even the first round pick in 2011, could get the #2 pick this year.

Hemsky is a UFA in 2 years. Get something for him this year or next to strengthen the future and as you mentioned if they are free agents in 5 years they can re-sign here if they wish.

Hemsky, just like Penner, is not the future. And the Oiler's aren't building a elite team around those guys. Sorry if that upsets certain members.

Just my opinion.

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#175 Crash
March 12 2010, 08:32PM
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dunciano wrote:

Rebuild manifesto:

1. Fearless, relentless FOCUS on the goal.

You want to win a cup in 5 years? Doesn't matter what your roster looks like next year or the year after. Your roster 5 years from now is what matters.

Amass draft picks.

Trade Penner for an early 1st, Whitney for a late 1st, Souray for a 2nd etc.

By the time we want to be winners (remember our goal now - 5 years)Penner and Whitney etc will have become UFA's, we may have been able to resign them and maybe not, chances are they will leave to go to a winner, or we will have traded them at the future trade deadline for the same level of draft picks...

So trade them now so you have the young'ns in 5 years blossoming.

You want Penner and Whitney that bad, you may be able to sign them as UFA's in 5 years anyways.

Who said it had to be 5 yrs? One thing I've noticed on this site is that everyone always wants to trade away our higher end guys when they are nearing UFA status. Already, slowly but surely the trade Hemsky talk is picking up....

I keep hearing let's package Hemsky up with something to get a high 1st rounder....of course Hemsky is our most talented player...makes perfect sense to purge your best players (shakes head in disbelief).

It's an endless cycle on this site to trade all of our players before they walk as UFA's...with this kind of mentality the Oilers will NEVER be an elite team because most of you will always want to trade away our best 26 yr olds for a high draft pick....and the merry go round continues...it's like ground hog day...

I don't see why this has to take 5 yrs for the Oilers to become a very respectable team...if our current batch of youngsters (Gagner, Eberle, Svensson, Brule, etc.) and the pending Hall or Seguin are as good as we are suspecting then why wouldn't Hemsky, Penner or any of our other better players want to stay? Why is it most on here always want to trade away our best players for more draft picks?

I just don't get it.

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#176 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 08:38PM
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@Thor

Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one.

How is Hemsky like Penner not part of the future? It doesn't upset me, I just want more of your knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

FYI IMO, Hemsky is the only proven future we have. Tell me otherwise, please.

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#177 RossCreekNation
March 12 2010, 08:42PM
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@Pajamah

It is out. I have a subscription, so I don't recall if I've seen it anywhere. Nazem Kadri on the front cover.

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#178 OilFan
March 12 2010, 08:44PM
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Thor wrote:

In my opinion, this line of thinking includes Hemsky. I proposed earlier in this thread that Hemsky and a pick, maybe even the first round pick in 2011, could get the #2 pick this year.

Hemsky is a UFA in 2 years. Get something for him this year or next to strengthen the future and as you mentioned if they are free agents in 5 years they can re-sign here if they wish.

Hemsky, just like Penner, is not the future. And the Oiler's aren't building a elite team around those guys. Sorry if that upsets certain members.

Just my opinion.

So you suggest we trade all our proven talent to get prospects or picks ? Hemsky makes the younger guys better same with Penner. Do you want all rookie unproven players the whole rebuild ? Yes trades down the road will happen but to trade every player of value now. I can see how that would make a good environment for young unproven talent.

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#179 OilFan
March 12 2010, 08:48PM
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Trading proven talent like Hemsky this guy is crazy. Like my A$$ hole I CAN'T SEE IT

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#180 OilFan
March 12 2010, 08:48PM
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Double post sorry

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#181 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 08:52PM
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@OilFan

Spread your buttcheeks in front of the bathroom mirror. Works every time for me.

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#182 dunciano
March 12 2010, 08:59PM
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Thor wrote:

In my opinion, this line of thinking includes Hemsky. I proposed earlier in this thread that Hemsky and a pick, maybe even the first round pick in 2011, could get the #2 pick this year.

Hemsky is a UFA in 2 years. Get something for him this year or next to strengthen the future and as you mentioned if they are free agents in 5 years they can re-sign here if they wish.

Hemsky, just like Penner, is not the future. And the Oiler's aren't building a elite team around those guys. Sorry if that upsets certain members.

Just my opinion.

Ya', I didn't have the guts to put Hemsky's name on there so I put etc.

You have the guts.

But you're right, it's something you probably have to do.

He would net us another 1st round pick towards the rebuild.

Could you imagine...

Tambo would have to have serious balls to trade Penner, Hemsky, Whitney, Souray, etc....

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#183 OilFan
March 12 2010, 09:01PM
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LOL.

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#184 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 09:02PM
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@dunciano

Some people have problems seeing their buttholes and other peoples buttholes have the gift of gab. What a world we live in.

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#185 dunciano
March 12 2010, 09:05PM
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Crash wrote:

Who said it had to be 5 yrs? One thing I've noticed on this site is that everyone always wants to trade away our higher end guys when they are nearing UFA status. Already, slowly but surely the trade Hemsky talk is picking up....

I keep hearing let's package Hemsky up with something to get a high 1st rounder....of course Hemsky is our most talented player...makes perfect sense to purge your best players (shakes head in disbelief).

It's an endless cycle on this site to trade all of our players before they walk as UFA's...with this kind of mentality the Oilers will NEVER be an elite team because most of you will always want to trade away our best 26 yr olds for a high draft pick....and the merry go round continues...it's like ground hog day...

I don't see why this has to take 5 yrs for the Oilers to become a very respectable team...if our current batch of youngsters (Gagner, Eberle, Svensson, Brule, etc.) and the pending Hall or Seguin are as good as we are suspecting then why wouldn't Hemsky, Penner or any of our other better players want to stay? Why is it most on here always want to trade away our best players for more draft picks?

I just don't get it.

Well if you think that you can win the cup with the guys you mentioned then you're right you keep them.

Makes no sense to trade them.

If you think that you can't win with those guys then you trade.

Remember, I said 5 years to win the cup that means a very good team in 4 years.

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#186 dunciano
March 12 2010, 09:29PM
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Right now we're building a foundation.

The foundation has to be the most solid thing in this house.

The stronger the foundation the better we will be when we add the fixtures and walls etc...

which are 1- UFA signings in 3-4 years to add what is missing. 2- Trades to fine tune the club, to go from a very good team to a great team.

So, are Penner, Hemsky, Whitney etc a solid foundation for a cup team?

I would suggest that they would be a weak foundation for this reason:

You have zero certainty they will re-sign after their current contracts are up.

So say one of them leave...that's a crumbling foundation.

We need a solid foundation.

That's the current priority - finding that foundation.

The Draft

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#187 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 09:48PM
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@dunciano

so why build anything around eberle, gagner, mps and hall/sequin? how do you know they will resign? how do you know you'll be able to sign all of them? will you have enough capspace for all these superstar salaries?

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#188 TAYLOR HALL
March 12 2010, 09:50PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfNK2yHFf00

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#189 David S
March 12 2010, 09:59PM
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dunciano wrote:

Right now we're building a foundation.

The foundation has to be the most solid thing in this house.

The stronger the foundation the better we will be when we add the fixtures and walls etc...

which are 1- UFA signings in 3-4 years to add what is missing. 2- Trades to fine tune the club, to go from a very good team to a great team.

So, are Penner, Hemsky, Whitney etc a solid foundation for a cup team?

I would suggest that they would be a weak foundation for this reason:

You have zero certainty they will re-sign after their current contracts are up.

So say one of them leave...that's a crumbling foundation.

We need a solid foundation.

That's the current priority - finding that foundation.

The Draft

You seriously think that the way to build a solid foundation is to ditch every player over the age of 20 and run this team of kids (who you're also assuming will be Patrick Kane, every one of them) with no mentors, no protection, no support? AND they're all going to have flawless development paths - no glitches, no "Rob Schremp" bombs, nothing? AND every high draft pick is going to work out as a bonafide star?

You know NHL 2010 is just a video game right? RIGHT?

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#190 dunciano
March 12 2010, 10:04PM
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Aleslav Smidsky wrote:

so why build anything around eberle, gagner, mps and hall/sequin? how do you know they will resign? how do you know you'll be able to sign all of them? will you have enough capspace for all these superstar salaries?

We have those players under control for a minimum of 7 years or until age 27.

Well then at least we'll have superstars to re-sign! Wouldn't that be nice. Sounds like the situation Chicago is in now, which is exactly where we want to be in 4-5 years no?

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#191 dunciano
March 12 2010, 10:09PM
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David S wrote:

You seriously think that the way to build a solid foundation is to ditch every player over the age of 20 and run this team of kids (who you're also assuming will be Patrick Kane, every one of them) with no mentors, no protection, no support? AND they're all going to have flawless development paths - no glitches, no "Rob Schremp" bombs, nothing? AND every high draft pick is going to work out as a bonafide star?

You know NHL 2010 is just a video game right? RIGHT?

Do you seriously think that the way to build a solid foundation is to sit on your valuable assets?

You help make my point. There will definitely be glitches that is why you need as many irons in the fire as you can have.

See if we don't do it that way then what happens if we have those glitches? Our rebuilding plan takes longer. More years mired in mediocrity.

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#192 Aleslav Smidsky
March 12 2010, 10:19PM
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@dunciano

Go back to your Pilsner Pyramid.

Why would you want anymore 1st round picks? I think the prospects we have now with the addition of this years 1st rounder, is a solid ground to go on.

Like David said, this is not EA Sports. Who said we need 5 years to rebuild? Why not 3?

I don't know what your beef is with Hemsky and Penner, or maybe you just getting to the top of the Pyramid and losing your senses.

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#193 dunciano
March 12 2010, 10:25PM
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Aleslav Smidsky wrote:

Go back to your Pilsner Pyramid.

Why would you want anymore 1st round picks? I think the prospects we have now with the addition of this years 1st rounder, is a solid ground to go on.

Like David said, this is not EA Sports. Who said we need 5 years to rebuild? Why not 3?

I don't know what your beef is with Hemsky and Penner, or maybe you just getting to the top of the Pyramid and losing your senses.

Did you say, "Why would we want anymore 1st round picks?"!!?

Think about that for a few seconds and you give me an answer.

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#194 Matt Henderson
March 12 2010, 10:26PM
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@dunciano

I think the idea of getting rid of anyone with talent is a surefire way to keep the club bad for a long time. Long enough to sour the minds of whichever young stars the Oil bring up through the draft.

Hemsky, Penner, Whitney. The Oil need to keep these guys until their contracts are in their final years.

That foundation youre looking for could surely use an offensive defenseman, a Bull-Winger, and a point per game distributor of the puck.

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#195 dunciano
March 12 2010, 10:30PM
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Aleslav Smidsky wrote:

Go back to your Pilsner Pyramid.

Why would you want anymore 1st round picks? I think the prospects we have now with the addition of this years 1st rounder, is a solid ground to go on.

Like David said, this is not EA Sports. Who said we need 5 years to rebuild? Why not 3?

I don't know what your beef is with Hemsky and Penner, or maybe you just getting to the top of the Pyramid and losing your senses.

I definitely could be losing my senses no doubt about it.

ya' you may be right, we may be able to rebuild in 3 years.

Of course Penner and Hemsky are UFA's after 2 years...what would we have to pay them and would that screw up our rebuild?

I loved seeing Penner play strong on the puck against Montreal, and in front of the net. He had his speed that game too. It was a pleasure to watch.

I like Hemsky too. I love the way he seems to score the big goal. Like the one against SJ a couple years ago.

No beef, no beef.

I love the Oilers, I have since I was 10...pretending to be Gretzky and Messier on my driveway playing street hockey with the boys...

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#196 David S
March 12 2010, 10:37PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I think the idea of getting rid of anyone with talent is a surefire way to keep the club bad for a long time. Long enough to sour the minds of whichever young stars the Oil bring up through the draft.

Hemsky, Penner, Whitney. The Oil need to keep these guys until their contracts are in their final years.

That foundation youre looking for could surely use an offensive defenseman, a Bull-Winger, and a point per game distributor of the puck.

Ahhhh...the sweet, sweet sound of sanity.

I wonder if there's some sort of "Bomb ON" contest going on right now over at HF boards.

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#197 dunciano
March 12 2010, 10:39PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I think the idea of getting rid of anyone with talent is a surefire way to keep the club bad for a long time. Long enough to sour the minds of whichever young stars the Oil bring up through the draft.

Hemsky, Penner, Whitney. The Oil need to keep these guys until their contracts are in their final years.

That foundation youre looking for could surely use an offensive defenseman, a Bull-Winger, and a point per game distributor of the puck.

I just think that if we're gonna do this rebuild then let's do this!

No half ass. You know?

I think that if we keep those guys then ya maybe we could be ok next year with some luck and then the next year a little better.

But if we finish last next year I think I would be happier in the long run. I would be happier getting that Swedish d-man or whoever will be #1 overall next year and perhaps the next year.

Will those 3 assets you refer to be here when we are coming out of the rebuild?

And what is the opportunity cost of keeping them? That is what could we have gotten if we traded them sooner and is that better in the long run.

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#198 Matt Henderson
March 12 2010, 10:51PM
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Those 3 assets might want to stick around if guys like Gagner, Eberle, MPS, and Hall/Seguin turn out to be the real deal. If they get to their final years, and extension talks breakdown, then it's easier to move them then at that time. Teams are built too close to the Cap to take on guys for multiple years anyway. Highest trade opportunity is in the final year.

I am a huge Hemsky fan, but if it's his final year and he doesnt want to re-sign with the Oil then I think it would be EASY to find a team that would be willing to part with prospects or picks to add him at the deadline.

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#199 dunciano
March 12 2010, 11:02PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Those 3 assets might want to stick around if guys like Gagner, Eberle, MPS, and Hall/Seguin turn out to be the real deal. If they get to their final years, and extension talks breakdown, then it's easier to move them then at that time. Teams are built too close to the Cap to take on guys for multiple years anyway. Highest trade opportunity is in the final year.

I am a huge Hemsky fan, but if it's his final year and he doesnt want to re-sign with the Oil then I think it would be EASY to find a team that would be willing to part with prospects or picks to add him at the deadline.

O for sure he is a tradeable asset at anytime - no question.

What is better:

1) we sign Hemsky in 3 years to a what...I don't know..what is he gonna want? Will he want a 5 year deal at 4.75? Will he want one of those 10 year deals?

2) Trade him this summer for a what top 15 pick and another pick.

What we don't want is what you suggested there and trade him in 2 years for picks...

Because of where we are now as an organization. It would be WAY more important to have those picks now, then the players we pick with those picks will have 2 years to grow and be part of the rebuild.

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#200 dunciano
March 12 2010, 11:06PM
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BTW

Minnetonka High School (the team Troy Hesketh - Oilers 3rd round choice this past year plays defence for) is going into 3rd Overtime tied 1-1 in the state semifinals.

they are ranked #1 in the state

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