Oilers Vs. Wild Postgame: “There Is Some Room For Improvement”

Jonathan Willis
March 16 2010 10:32PM

Oilers: 2

Wild: 4

The title comes courtesy of Gene Principe, who used that term to describe the Oilers season to date. It also applies to the Oilers’ effort against Minnesota tonight; they played miserably for the first two periods, were gifted a 5-on-3 power play which gave them some life, and then reverted back to form.

Oilers Three Stars

1. Sam Gagner. With Ales Hemsky out and Lubomir Visnovsky sent away in exchange for Clubfoot, Sam Gagner has been the Oilers’ best player down the stretch and that held true tonight. In an evening where most of the team had checked out mentally before stepping on the ice, Gagner was sharp in both ends of the rink and was easily the most imaginative Oiler offensively, too. He finished with two assists and now has 19 points in 25 games since January 1, along with a respectable minus-3 rating.

2. Cal Clutterbuck. Yes, that’s right: Cal Clutterbuck. I know if I were Wild coach Todd Richards I’d want to find something blunt and beat him over the head until the stupidity was all poured out. Clutterbuck can be an effective agitator, but he did his very best to giftwrap the game for the Oilers tonight, taking the additional penalty to give them the game-changing 5-on-3 at the end of the second, and then taking another incredibly stupid penalty on a disciplined Theo Peckham with minutes left on the clock. Aside from Sam Gagner, no player on the ice tonight did as much to try and help the Oilers win.

3. Aaron Johnson. A decidedly ‘best of the rest’ selection, Johnson had a relatively low event night where he stood out on account of a couple of smart shots (including a lethal wrister that Harding had to be sharp to stop) and a decided lack of boneheaded own-zone plays.

Of Note

The Sportsnet panel decided early on to praise Andrew Cogliano for his play over the Oilers road trip (where he’s admittedly had his best offensive effort this season) but bizarrely continued to heap the plaudits on regardless of how clueless Cogliano was in his own end. After a great chance in the game’s first minute, Cogliano took a needless penalty and botched a 2-on-1. Those were both relatively trivial sins, but his inability to take the guy in front of the net contributed to two goals against on the evening – and that was decidedly non-trivial.

Speaking of the Sportsnet panel, Mike Brophy’s take on the Craig Anderson signing says pretty much everything one needs to know about him as an analyst – he picked up a paper, looked in the “Transactions” section, and thought, ‘Hey, Anderson might be Colorado’s backup.’

John Scott and Zack Stortini had a running battle before both were set aside in the third period. The linesmen prevented a fight between them in the first period, which I thought was a shame. It took place right after Stortini fired a shot, blew by an ineffective Scott and looked dangerous before Marek Zidlicky bumped him out of the crease. Scott may be huge, but he’s no great shakes as a hockey player.

Tom Gilbert, Man’s Man, must have read Brownlee’s article before playing tonight, because he was as physically aggressive as I’ve seen him. He led off with a vicious hit on Robbie Earl, dumped Owen Nolan, dumped Earl again later on and got into a tussle with Mikko Koivu in the third. Unfortunately, while the physical edge was nice to see, both he and Whitney were decidedly unimpressive in their own end.

Jeff Deslauriers was fairly good through the first two periods, making 22 saves while allowing two goals to keep the Oilers in it, but when the Oilers started applying pressure in the third he came apart, allowing two goals on just four shots.

Ethan Moreau took a brain-dead penalty, cross-checking Clutterbuck three times in the back of the neck despite the fact that a) the referee was standing right there and b) Clutterbuck was a non-threat, but he also drew two penalties with some strong efforts, so he probably deserves some slack (tonight, anyway).

After recording only eight points (and going minus-14)in his first 19 games, Martin Havlat’s come alive for the Wild, recording 41 points and a plus-9 rating over the last 44 games. Barring poor health (always a risk) he’s going to be a key player with Minnesota for the rest of his contract.

I like Theo Peckham. I’ve been a fan of his since practically the first time I saw him play, and he had some good moments tonight, including a great hip-check on Andrew Ebbett and some disciplined play when hit by Clutterbuck late in the game. On the other hand, he also seemed not to realize that Ebbett had snuck behind him on the latter’s goal, and along with Moreau wasn’t far back enough to cover Antti Miettinen on his breakaway (he missed the net). I think he’s going to be an NHL player for a long time, but like both Ladislav Smid and Matt Greene it’s probably going to be a while before he’s a good one.

Marc Pouliot’s been very good since coming back from injury.

And just to end things on a positive note, I’m going to go back to Sam Gagner. He’s been a difference maker on this team, despite a lack of support from other lines and some *ahem* interesting wingers, and barring injury there’s no reason he can’t be a star for the next 15 years. He’s a special player, certainly the best the Oilers have developed since Ryan Smyth, and I have very high hopes for his continued growth. Big picture, he’s the most significant player currently in the system.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 #EM
March 16 2010, 10:45PM
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Nice job Samwise Gagner!

In other news... ISS ranks Seguin as #1: http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=2689394

Seguin better fits my bizarre view of what an Oiler should be, although I wouldn't mind Hall.

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#2 Librarian Mike
March 16 2010, 10:47PM
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What? The Oilers played tonight? Seriously?

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#3 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 16 2010, 10:59PM
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"The Sportsnet panel decided early on to praise Andrew Cogliano for his play over the Oilers road trip (where he’s admittedly had his best offensive effort this season) but bizarrely continued to heap the plaudits on regardless of how clueless Cogliano was in his own end"

I've heard various announcers and even opposing fans make comments similar to this, but I just don't know what they are seeing. Sure he's quick enough to get back but he's VERY average at best in his own zone.

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#4 Moop
March 16 2010, 11:08PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

David Staples seems to think he has improved defensively this year:

http://communities.canada.com/EDMONTONJOURNAL/blogs/hockey/archive/2010/03/15/in-defence-of-andrew-cogliano-again-who-is-arguably-a-better-player-this-season.aspx

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#5 Muji 狗
March 16 2010, 11:11PM
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This season kinda feels like the lockout season.

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#6 Jamie B.
March 16 2010, 11:18PM
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Nothing is as bad as the lockout season. Nothing!!

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#7 Red Deerian Convert
March 16 2010, 11:19PM
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+1 except that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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#8 OilCrazy
March 16 2010, 11:52PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

"The Sportsnet panel decided early on to praise Andrew Cogliano for his play over the Oilers road trip (where he’s admittedly had his best offensive effort this season) but bizarrely continued to heap the plaudits on regardless of how clueless Cogliano was in his own end"

I've heard various announcers and even opposing fans make comments similar to this, but I just don't know what they are seeing. Sure he's quick enough to get back but he's VERY average at best in his own zone.

If the media wants to talk up the performance of Cogliano lately, I'm all for it!

If we move him at the draft, which is likely the case, it will only increase is trade value.

Don't get me wrong, I like Cogs as a player and he actually wants to be in Edmonton, however we have too many players of the same type, and he would be one of the ones on the outs including Nilson and O'Sullivan. With Brule emerging this year, and already having Gagner as one of the faces of the franchise, he's a third line centre here at best and could be a 2nd line centre on another team in the league.

He really has top 6 potential and we have too many other players ahead of him. i.e.:

1st line: 2010 1st Pick (Hall) - Gagner - Hemsky 2nd line: Penner - Brule - Eberle 3rd line: MPS - Horcoff - ? 4th line: Pouliot - Potulny - Storts

I just don't see him in our top 6 future plans, and the above depth chart doesn't even include other potential players we recieve in trade or sign as an FA, as the above lineup is too soft. Perhaps someone like a Colby Armstrong on the 3rd line with MPS and Horcoff...

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#9 #EM
March 17 2010, 12:09AM
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#10 dunciano
March 17 2010, 03:08AM
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This summer Oilers need to re-sign Gagner. What does he get?

$ 3.25 $ 3.0 $ 2.5 $ 2.0

I think if he gets more than $ 2.5 we're paying him on potential rather than merit. Which obviously can be dangerous, depending on term.

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#11 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
March 17 2010, 06:36AM
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dunciano wrote:

This summer Oilers need to re-sign Gagner. What does he get?

$ 3.25 $ 3.0 $ 2.5 $ 2.0

I think if he gets more than $ 2.5 we're paying him on potential rather than merit. Which obviously can be dangerous, depending on term.

given some of the comparables out there, gagner will probably be in the 3-3.25 range on a 3 or 4 year deal.

see: brassard, derrick

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#12 Petr's Jofa
March 17 2010, 06:55AM
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Man these guys are focused on sucking. Remember back in November when catching Carolina seemed like a pipe-dream? Just looking at the standings Edmonton now has a 15 point lead on Caroliona in the race for 30th.

The Oiler loss and the Leafs' win equals two steps closer in the Fall for Hall. Magic number is now down to 7. If the Leafs can win 1 more game in next two weeks, there is a possibility that the Oilers could have 30th wrapped up before the end of the month.

Other good news is that the Nashvillians produced a 4-3 OT win over Philly to pull 6 points ahead of Calgary in the Sputter under Sutter.

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#13 BUCK75
March 17 2010, 07:06AM
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12 games to go. Next win @ St Louis March 28th?

I think they have pretty much sewn up 30th, CLB & NYI are 18 up, FLA is up 17 , Canes are up 15, & the Leafs are up by 11. It sure would be nice to see them pull off another winning streak. With the season coming to an end, Teams like ST Louis, Dallas, Minne & Anaheim's chances of getting into the 7th or 8th play off spot is shrinking. If we played against Calgary, they would be in that club too. I'm trying to be optimistic we can win maybe 2 in a row...

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#14 Tracie
March 17 2010, 07:33AM
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@Petr's Jofa

Hey PJ, Thanks for keeping us up to date on the Oilers "tragic number"! and Cgy's woes as well! These are two of the main things I'm keeping tabs on too!

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#15 Petr's Jofa
March 17 2010, 08:00AM
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Anyone else catch the link to Elliotte Freidman's article that Andy Grabia posted over at Lowetide's?

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/elliottefriedman/2010/03/adversity-part-of-the-game-for-lundmark-family.html

I asked about Fowler vs Hall/Seguin in the comments of a recent blog and low and behold:

" 4. Question for Oilers fans: How would you feel if Edmonton ended up with Cam Fowler instead of either Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin? I'm not saying it will happen (probably depends on where they end up in the lottery), but they are watching him very closely. Oilers might need more help on the blue-line than up front. The Leafs felt they were easy to get behind, and they can't be the only team feeling that way."

Even if he is the best player, at this point in time it would be a PR disaster if Edmonton used the 1st or 2nd pick on him. I hope that they were looking at him closely just in case the Oil slipped to 2nd and lost the lottery.

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#16 madjam
March 17 2010, 08:09AM
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Calling a spade a spade . Everything Tams does turns to crap , and until he is gone no proper assessment of players or team can be done . There is no substitute ,or accountability for not motivating and getting quality work from team with Tams at the helm . This guy truly has an anti- midas touch . Who knows why all the players in system are on long term digression instead of steady improvement- Tams is the leading reason why . Tams couldn't get us out of a financial and contact mess . He has subsequently put us in more of a mess going into next season by guarateeing a less than adequate defence , goaltending , etc..Players are blaming themselves for the poor job Tams has done . Tams never gave this years Oilers a chance to move forward and progress, by not filling the glaring voids from the years past . Now , not only do players not want to come play here , but many incumbents want out . Hopefully at seasons end Tams will be first to go and be replaced - then at least next season their might be some hope the players with the proper tools that they might at least advance instead of digress! Who knows just how good or competitive our club might have been this season if they had gotten rid of Tams ? I blame Tams more than anyone for the lack of progression for our players here and all the other leagues this bumbler has ruined and put in the basement . You can add more in management if you like , but Tams is the main culprit here !! What a bloody mess he has created for us . Seems like moving forward to him is moving backwards . Dump the guy, his probationary period is over -assessment termination.Maybe we will get lucky and he will resign before he does any further damage .

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#17 Petr's Jofa
March 17 2010, 08:18AM
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@madjam

Who wants out?

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#18 Tracie
March 17 2010, 08:22AM
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@madjam

How can you blame player development on a guy who has only been here for two years?

You rant but you don't back up your rant with any examples...

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#19 VMR
March 17 2010, 08:35AM
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If you want to complain about management start at the top with Lowe and work your way down. Either you think they are completely incompetent and we need to destroy everyone responsible or you accept that they've made mistakes but they might be able to turn this thing around, eventually. Ranting about Tambellini is simply finding a scapegoat for this horrible season.

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#20 Zamboni Driver
March 17 2010, 08:37AM
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Honestly...+10C on March 16?

Who, in their right mind is watching this sh*tshow. Jonathan gets paid for commenting on 'it' - myself, I just want it to be over.

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#21 Petr's Jofa
March 17 2010, 08:38AM
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@VMR

I disagree, Tambellini is the GM, the blame should fall on his shoulders.

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#22 VMR
March 17 2010, 09:26AM
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Petr's Jofa wrote:

I disagree, Tambellini is the GM, the blame should fall on his shoulders.

What is Lowe's title again President of Hockey operations? Something like that. He's in charge of the Oilers the Falcons and what's our ECHL team again? All of whom are at or near the bottom of their respective leagues? He built this Oilers squad that he's left Tambellini. He's still actively involved with the strategizing and decision making for the team.

How does he not get the vast majority of the blame on his shoulders?

I dont mind putting some of the blame on Tambellini, signing Khabibulin was a horrible move. But seriously this team was in trouble long before he showed up. Firing him but keeping the guy who hired him would be a joke, a move just to appease the fans.

You either start at the top and can everyone involved in the hockey operations or you give them the chance to fix this mess. I cant see anything that Tambellini has done that doesnt have look like KLowe had a hand in it.

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#23 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 17 2010, 09:29AM
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VMR wrote:

What is Lowe's title again President of Hockey operations? Something like that. He's in charge of the Oilers the Falcons and what's our ECHL team again? All of whom are at or near the bottom of their respective leagues? He built this Oilers squad that he's left Tambellini. He's still actively involved with the strategizing and decision making for the team.

How does he not get the vast majority of the blame on his shoulders?

I dont mind putting some of the blame on Tambellini, signing Khabibulin was a horrible move. But seriously this team was in trouble long before he showed up. Firing him but keeping the guy who hired him would be a joke, a move just to appease the fans.

You either start at the top and can everyone involved in the hockey operations or you give them the chance to fix this mess. I cant see anything that Tambellini has done that doesnt have look like KLowe had a hand in it.

Every GM inherited his current roster, it's their job to take what they've been given and improve on it.

Fact is Tambellini took a 9th place team that almost everyone thought was on the rise and turned it into a 30th place team. I don't know if theirs another president in the league that is pegged to take the fall for his teams on ice performance

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#24 S.Tambellini
March 17 2010, 09:57AM
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Lowe's fault. 100%

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#25 Pokey Reddock
March 17 2010, 10:08AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Every GM inherited his current roster, it's their job to take what they've been given and improve on it.

Fact is Tambellini took a 9th place team that almost everyone thought was on the rise and turned it into a 30th place team. I don't know if theirs another president in the league that is pegged to take the fall for his teams on ice performance

This season is a blessing in disguise.

Yes, the Khabi signing was horrible. Yes the Heatley mess was ugly, because he forgot to address the other glaring holes in the lineup because he was focussing on signing a high end UFA.

Although Tambo has done virtually nothing to improve this team, in the long term, if he sticks to the slow rebuild the Oilers are going to be a great team; not fighting for 7-12 spot every year.

I am sick of this, as I am sure that all Oiler fans are. Building a team through the draft is the only way the Oilers can compete eventually.

You cannot say that Tambo has done a bad job drafting so far.

Whether he can do a proper rebuild and not mess it up remains to be seen. That's what all Oil fans are hoping for IMO.

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#26 Dan the Man
March 17 2010, 10:09AM
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madjam wrote:

Calling a spade a spade . Everything Tams does turns to crap , and until he is gone no proper assessment of players or team can be done . There is no substitute ,or accountability for not motivating and getting quality work from team with Tams at the helm . This guy truly has an anti- midas touch . Who knows why all the players in system are on long term digression instead of steady improvement- Tams is the leading reason why . Tams couldn't get us out of a financial and contact mess . He has subsequently put us in more of a mess going into next season by guarateeing a less than adequate defence , goaltending , etc..Players are blaming themselves for the poor job Tams has done . Tams never gave this years Oilers a chance to move forward and progress, by not filling the glaring voids from the years past . Now , not only do players not want to come play here , but many incumbents want out . Hopefully at seasons end Tams will be first to go and be replaced - then at least next season their might be some hope the players with the proper tools that they might at least advance instead of digress! Who knows just how good or competitive our club might have been this season if they had gotten rid of Tams ? I blame Tams more than anyone for the lack of progression for our players here and all the other leagues this bumbler has ruined and put in the basement . You can add more in management if you like , but Tams is the main culprit here !! What a bloody mess he has created for us . Seems like moving forward to him is moving backwards . Dump the guy, his probationary period is over -assessment termination.Maybe we will get lucky and he will resign before he does any further damage .

Do you realize that you said "Tams" 10 times in your rant?

That's pretty much all I got out of your ridiculous ramble on paragraph.

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#27 Petr's Jofa
March 17 2010, 10:18AM
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@Pokey Reddock

Tambellini has been around for 1 draft that credit needs to go to the scouting staff that Lowe assembled.

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#28 Chris.
March 17 2010, 10:23AM
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I was reading the recent Black Dog Hates Skunks posting... It's nice to get a fresh perspective from a seasoned hockey fan, who loves the Oilers, but who doesn't attend many games. It's like having a friend who sees you every two to three years commenting on your weight gain... Every year the Oilers have gotten smaller, slower, and generally less talented.

It's unrelated: but I enjoyed Eberle's take on playing an extra year in the WHL... Seems the experience helped him develop some "leadership qualities", and helped him "round out his overall game". Had it not been for that extra year, Eberle would not have learned to kill penalties, play shutdown minutes late, or gain the overall confidence in his ability to be "the man"... When I think of the way the Oilers f%cked over Gagner's development: I weep.

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#29 Pokey Reddock
March 17 2010, 10:32AM
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Petr's Jofa wrote:

Tambellini has been around for 1 draft that credit needs to go to the scouting staff that Lowe assembled.

Agreed 100%. However, Tambo has the final say on draft picks. At least, he didn't trade the picks away for players or whatever.

I am not a Tambo fan. In fact, some of the moves he has made are bizarre. However, as far for his rebuilding abilities, I don't have an opinion yet, because as you say 'he has only been around for 1 draft'.

Let's hope he doesn't try to put band-aids on the team for a short term fix.

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#30 Chris.
March 17 2010, 10:39AM
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@Pokey Reddock

I am thrilled with Stu Macgregor as compared to Predergast... Gives me some faint hope moving forward.

Now here's to hoping K.P. loses his responsibility over the Falcon's also!

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#31 dunciano
March 17 2010, 10:52AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

given some of the comparables out there, gagner will probably be in the 3-3.25 range on a 3 or 4 year deal.

see: brassard, derrick

Good comparable.

That was Howson signing someone to a rich contract after 31 good games.

He was the dude signing contracts here as ASS GM right.

Gilberts deal, Horcoffs, etc. During his tenure here.

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#32 Chris.
March 17 2010, 10:53AM
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I highly doubt bandaids such as Jager will be signed... If that was the plan why did management utterly gut the back end?

Whitney was a second pair D man on a team that will miss the playoffs. Gilbert was a second pair D man on a team that will finish 30th overall... Smid has a bad neck.

I guess what I'm saying is that when Souray is moved, If a D-man doesn't come back, the Oilers will only have three legit NHL D-men (without anyone who is established as a successful top pairing type). Aaron Johnson; (God love him) probably should be a number 7; same with Peckham; and Chorney isn't even a good AHL defenceman (neither is Plante)... Petry hasn't turned pro yet... AAAHH... Pretty slim.

~But hey, at least we will have great goaltending to prop up a very suspect back-end moving forward...right?~

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#33 VMR
March 17 2010, 11:08AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Every GM inherited his current roster, it's their job to take what they've been given and improve on it.

Fact is Tambellini took a 9th place team that almost everyone thought was on the rise and turned it into a 30th place team. I don't know if theirs another president in the league that is pegged to take the fall for his teams on ice performance

So you dont see any continuity in the way that 9th place team under Kevin Lowe ignored resigning a grinder like Glencross to chase Hossa the same way they ignored signing depth players this off season to chase Heatley?

You dont see a pattern where they've been chasing the names like Khabibulin rather than developing talent or finding decent depth players to fill in?

Fact is this team has made the playoffs 3 times in the decade that Lowe has been in management and there are few signs they are getting any better since the handcuffs were removed.

Fact is that every team under the umbrella of the Oilers management team is a piss poor team floundering near the bottom of the standings.

This is still Lowes team and he's pulling the majority of the strings. If we're trying to change the organization for the better he has to go not just Tambellini.

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#34 Chris.
March 17 2010, 11:24AM
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It is possible, though unlikely, that Katz cleans house this offseason. Remember the text about how MacT was going "nowhere?".

Lowe was the first ever Oiler draft pick. Lowe scored the first ever Oiler goal. Lowe was a stud defenceman who won 6 Stanley Cups, roomed with Gretz, and helped keep the Oilers firmly planted in this community... He is a good man, a great Oiler, and deserves our Thanks....

That said, Lowe has never demonstrated the ability to build a good team from the ground up... and neither has Tambellini. There has got to be someone out there who is more suited to the job at hand.

Thanks for everything Kevin. Please be honest enough with yourself to resign.

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#35 Pokey Reddock
March 17 2010, 11:26AM
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Chris. wrote:

I am thrilled with Stu Macgregor as compared to Predergast... Gives me some faint hope moving forward.

Now here's to hoping K.P. loses his responsibility over the Falcon's also!

I couldn't agree more. Stu MacGregor looks a hell of a lot better so far.

I know that all of our AHL talent is playing with the big club pretty much but K.P. still needs to be held accountable for that joke of a team in Springfield all excuses aside.

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#36 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 17 2010, 11:28AM
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VMR wrote:

So you dont see any continuity in the way that 9th place team under Kevin Lowe ignored resigning a grinder like Glencross to chase Hossa the same way they ignored signing depth players this off season to chase Heatley?

You dont see a pattern where they've been chasing the names like Khabibulin rather than developing talent or finding decent depth players to fill in?

Fact is this team has made the playoffs 3 times in the decade that Lowe has been in management and there are few signs they are getting any better since the handcuffs were removed.

Fact is that every team under the umbrella of the Oilers management team is a piss poor team floundering near the bottom of the standings.

This is still Lowes team and he's pulling the majority of the strings. If we're trying to change the organization for the better he has to go not just Tambellini.

To tell you the truth, I put "the big fish" syndrome on Katz more then either of Lowe Tambellini.

That said though, it's irrelavant what Lowe did in the past when evaluating what Tambellini is doing now. Under Lowe the team was competitive, under Tambillini the team has been a joke.

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#37 Pokey Reddock
March 17 2010, 11:31AM
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Chris. wrote:

I highly doubt bandaids such as Jager will be signed... If that was the plan why did management utterly gut the back end?

Whitney was a second pair D man on a team that will miss the playoffs. Gilbert was a second pair D man on a team that will finish 30th overall... Smid has a bad neck.

I guess what I'm saying is that when Souray is moved, If a D-man doesn't come back, the Oilers will only have three legit NHL D-men (without anyone who is established as a successful top pairing type). Aaron Johnson; (God love him) probably should be a number 7; same with Peckham; and Chorney isn't even a good AHL defenceman (neither is Plante)... Petry hasn't turned pro yet... AAAHH... Pretty slim.

~But hey, at least we will have great goaltending to prop up a very suspect back-end moving forward...right?~

I hope you're right. But then again who would have thought they would have signed Khabi?

There is no way they are going to good next year, I just hope they are bad enough to be still in the top 5 for picks.

I am a season ticket holder and I don't mind 2-3 more years before the ship is righted.

I know the chances are slim, but I'd love to find a way to have a chance at Fowler in addition to Hall or Seguin.

Pipe dream probably; but wow would the be awesome. To bad Mike Milbury is not in the league still than maybe we'd have a chance.

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#38 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
March 17 2010, 11:51AM
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dunciano wrote:

Good comparable.

That was Howson signing someone to a rich contract after 31 good games.

He was the dude signing contracts here as ASS GM right.

Gilberts deal, Horcoffs, etc. During his tenure here.

yup.

and, overpaid or not, gagners agent will hold up Brassards (and others) production and hold up gagners.

anything in the 3-3.5 range is probably fair for gagner.

cogliano, on the other hand, is a bit more of a wild card.

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#39 VMR
March 17 2010, 12:01PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

To tell you the truth, I put "the big fish" syndrome on Katz more then either of Lowe Tambellini.

That said though, it's irrelavant what Lowe did in the past when evaluating what Tambellini is doing now. Under Lowe the team was competitive, under Tambillini the team has been a joke.

You missed the point then. This still is Lowes team. He's still involved in how this team decides to move forward he's still part of every transaction this team makes. His job isnt distant and uninvolved this is a management team and if you review the actions Tambellini has taken you have to think that they were approved by Lowe.

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#40 RossCreekNation
March 17 2010, 12:03PM
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dunciano wrote:

This summer Oilers need to re-sign Gagner. What does he get?

$ 3.25 $ 3.0 $ 2.5 $ 2.0

I think if he gets more than $ 2.5 we're paying him on potential rather than merit. Which obviously can be dangerous, depending on term.

I'd say +/- $2.75mil

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#41 Jamie B.
March 17 2010, 12:06PM
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Chris. wrote:

I was reading the recent Black Dog Hates Skunks posting... It's nice to get a fresh perspective from a seasoned hockey fan, who loves the Oilers, but who doesn't attend many games. It's like having a friend who sees you every two to three years commenting on your weight gain... Every year the Oilers have gotten smaller, slower, and generally less talented.

It's unrelated: but I enjoyed Eberle's take on playing an extra year in the WHL... Seems the experience helped him develop some "leadership qualities", and helped him "round out his overall game". Had it not been for that extra year, Eberle would not have learned to kill penalties, play shutdown minutes late, or gain the overall confidence in his ability to be "the man"... When I think of the way the Oilers f%cked over Gagner's development: I weep.

I don't buy it. If Gagner had been playing for the OHL's version of the Regina Pats, then sure. But he had 118 points as a 17-year-old. Another year with the Knights, even without Pat Kane, would have just taught him how to play 35 minutes a night of Rob Schremp hockey. There's nothing well-rounded about the games of offensive players from the Knights.

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#42 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 17 2010, 12:29PM
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VMR wrote:

You missed the point then. This still is Lowes team. He's still involved in how this team decides to move forward he's still part of every transaction this team makes. His job isnt distant and uninvolved this is a management team and if you review the actions Tambellini has taken you have to think that they were approved by Lowe.

I'm not into the conspiricy theories.

That said though, I'd guess most/all teams in the leauge work under some type of a committee where multiple people have imput in decisions. I'd also guess the Oilers have a similar modle meaning, yes Lowe probably has input just like most/all presidents.

And to my earlier point he's probably the only one that has 90% of a fan base calling for his head, meaning it is likely because people are more interested in their pound of flesh then they are in actually improving the team.

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#43 Red Deerian Convert
March 17 2010, 12:46PM
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Every GM inherited his current roster, it's their job to take what they've been given and improve on it.

Fact is Tambellini took a 9th place team that almost everyone thought was on the rise and turned it into a 30th place team. I don't know if theirs another president in the league that is pegged to take the fall for his teams on ice performance

So are you gonna blame tambellini for injuries? How was he supposed to know half of our team would have the flu and 6 players could not play the rest of the season because they needed surgery (Jacques, Stone, Khabibulin, Hemsky, Smid, Souray).

Come on guys give your heads a shake. We would not be in 30th if there weren't all the injury problems. I am not saying that tambellini isnt at fault for some of this season (khabibulin) but we competed last year for a bottom playoff spot, and just had bad luck this year.

A full blown rebuild is gonna take some losing, so get used to it.

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#44 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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Red Deerian Convert wrote:

So are you gonna blame tambellini for injuries? How was he supposed to know half of our team would have the flu and 6 players could not play the rest of the season because they needed surgery (Jacques, Stone, Khabibulin, Hemsky, Smid, Souray).

Come on guys give your heads a shake. We would not be in 30th if there weren't all the injury problems. I am not saying that tambellini isnt at fault for some of this season (khabibulin) but we competed last year for a bottom playoff spot, and just had bad luck this year.

A full blown rebuild is gonna take some losing, so get used to it.

Lowe/Tambellinit need to share blame in bringing in injury prone vets, injuries are a legit reason in some cases, but when you've loaded up on injury prone that excuse fails.

Like you said though, injuries is the single biggest problem this team has.

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#45 Matt Henderson
March 17 2010, 01:03PM
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Stauffer today just re-iterated that, according to Tambi, Eberle will NOT be up with the Oilers this year.

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Chris. wrote:

I was reading the recent Black Dog Hates Skunks posting... It's nice to get a fresh perspective from a seasoned hockey fan, who loves the Oilers, but who doesn't attend many games. It's like having a friend who sees you every two to three years commenting on your weight gain... Every year the Oilers have gotten smaller, slower, and generally less talented.

It's unrelated: but I enjoyed Eberle's take on playing an extra year in the WHL... Seems the experience helped him develop some "leadership qualities", and helped him "round out his overall game". Had it not been for that extra year, Eberle would not have learned to kill penalties, play shutdown minutes late, or gain the overall confidence in his ability to be "the man"... When I think of the way the Oilers f%cked over Gagner's development: I weep.

You weep over the way his development has been f'd up?

First of all he's 20, and he's the best player on this team right now. Even when Hemmer is healthy, he's still top 2. Gagner has been the brightest spot on this team during this terrible year.

The best part about him is that he's still getting better. I take that back - the best part might be that he busts his ass every night during a season where a lot of the guys have been mailing it in.

I love Sam. (nohomo)

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#47 Red Deerian Convert
March 17 2010, 01:24PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Lowe/Tambellinit need to share blame in bringing in injury prone vets, injuries are a legit reason in some cases, but when you've loaded up on injury prone that excuse fails.

Like you said though, injuries is the single biggest problem this team has.

The players were already signed prior to tambellini (khabibulin is an exception). That was what I was arguing.

Lowe already shows that he is incapable of being a GM, keep him in public relations or something that he can't screw up.

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#48 jeanshorts
March 17 2010, 01:26PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

As valid as your points on Tambo are, how many times does a GM put together a mediocre team, try and sign every UFA in the league by throwing around insane offer sheets, give a bunch of 3rd and 4th line guys 20 times more money than they are worth, then get replaced, but instead of being fired, gets promoted and still has a say in running the franchise?

It's the most backward scenario ever, and BOTH Tambellini and Lowe are to blame for the last 4 years.

Edit: I see, later on, you also said they need to share the blame. Carry on. *really wish I got more than 4 hours sleep*

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#49 RossCreekNation
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Petr's Jofa wrote:

Anyone else catch the link to Elliotte Freidman's article that Andy Grabia posted over at Lowetide's?

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/elliottefriedman/2010/03/adversity-part-of-the-game-for-lundmark-family.html

I asked about Fowler vs Hall/Seguin in the comments of a recent blog and low and behold:

" 4. Question for Oilers fans: How would you feel if Edmonton ended up with Cam Fowler instead of either Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin? I'm not saying it will happen (probably depends on where they end up in the lottery), but they are watching him very closely. Oilers might need more help on the blue-line than up front. The Leafs felt they were easy to get behind, and they can't be the only team feeling that way."

Even if he is the best player, at this point in time it would be a PR disaster if Edmonton used the 1st or 2nd pick on him. I hope that they were looking at him closely just in case the Oil slipped to 2nd and lost the lottery.

We brought it up yesterday a bit. For comments...

http://oilersnation.com/2010/3/16/times-change-no-more-tom-gilbert-trade-talk/page/1#comments

(starts at #24)

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#50 pmg2
March 17 2010, 01:29PM
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The title "Some room for improvement". I say "SOME room for improvement" ??? Really ? "SOME room for improvement" ? This team needs a massive overhaul ? Not every player, but numerous more than what has been done. Though I expect more moves in the summer. Management needs a change (hear that K-Lowe ?) you oversighted $%#&*^%$@ !! I don't like the inconsistency and frequent inability of many players on this team. It's essentially a glorified AHL team ! Period ! Enough of this bulls**t watching mediocrity year after year (except 2006).

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