Win and you're in: or not

Robin Brownlee
March 22 2010 05:29PM

Calgary Flames v Edmonton Oilers

With 117 seasons of coaching experience on his resume, Edmonton Oilers bench boss Pat Quinn probably doesn't need any advice from somebody like me, but he's going to get it anyway.

By wavering on the win-and-you're-in edict he issued to goaltenders Jeff Deslauriers and Devan Dubnyk a few weeks ago, as he did after Sunday's 5-1 win over the San Jose Sharks, Quinn is not only mixing his messages, he's doing so at the worst possible time.

After watching Dubnyk grind his way through an 0-8-2 stretch in the first 13 appearances of his rookie season before beating Detroit 3-2 in a shootout Friday, then coming within three minutes of a shutout against the Sharks, Quinn is now re-thinking his approach after a conversation with goaltending coach Frederic Chabot.

Apparently, Chabot is concerned that win-and-you're-in might leave either Deslauriers or Dubnyk on the outside looking in for too long if the team gets on a roll. Fat chance of that, but that's his argument.

I get the thinking behind that, but the way I see it, the benefits of letting Dubnyk build confidence as a reward for outstanding efforts in back-to-back games should trump any concerns about Deslauriers having to sit too long at this point in the season.

JDD has had his chance to shine. Dubnyk deserves the same.

STAY THE COURSE

As much as I respect Quinn, I've had some difficulties with some of the decisions he's made this season. You can add abandoning the win-and-you're-in approach to the list if he listens to Chabot and gives Deslauriers the start against the Vancouver Canucks Tuesday.

We asked Quinn about that possibility again today after it came to light in his availability after the win over San Jose. Nothing in his answer made me think it's a good idea.

"We're going to talk about that a little bit," Quinn said. "There's a decision time coming for this organization in the sense of one of these two young guys.

"While we thought the idea of win and you play is a good one, and could still be a good one, we also don't want to get anybody isolated in case we run the table out, that sort of thing.

"Whatever our decision is as to how we're going forward, when we tell our young goaltenders this is what we're deciding on right now, it has to make some sense and has to have a sense of fairness to it."

Yes, it does. And after Deslauriers, who has made 42 appearances, was given the chance on more than one occasion to stake his claim to the crease with some fine performances, fairness dictates Dubnyk should get the same opportunity, no?

Of course, I suggested months ago that Deslauriers and Dubnyk rotate no matter what the result so that each could stake a claim as back-up to Nikolai Khabibulin going into next season. I liked the idea.

Then again, I can't say I minded when Quinn suggested he'd stick with the hot hand, either. That was, frankly, because I didn't see either one of Deslauriers or Dubnyk getting on enough of a roll to keep the other on the bench for any extended period of time.

To change it now, to flip-flop, after Dubnyk hung in and took his lumps behind a thinly disguised AHL defence to put together two outstanding efforts, would be a bad call. It's one Quinn has to rethink.

THE WAY I SEE IT

-- I'm told president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe and GM Steve Tambellini are in Portland taking a look at Nino Niedereiter of the Winterhawks.

I wouldn't read too much into that because Lowe and Tambellini will look at every player ranked in the first round, and Neidereiter, a right winger ranked 14th among North American skaters, will certainly go in the top 30. The Winterhawks also have a centre, Ryan Johansen, ranked 16th and a defenceman, Troy Rutkowski, ranked 43rd.

-- Ales Hemsky skated with the Oilers for the first time since having shoulder surgery today and, NO, he will not return this season.

That said, one good arm and all -- he still isn't healed enough to take any contact -- Hemsky looked better shooting and handling the puck while taking a twirl than anybody else on the ice.

-- Too bad Theo Peckham is out for the final 10 games with a separated shoulder after ending up on the hurting end of a hit by behemoth Doug Murray because he was coming along nicely.

Peckham will be a younger and cheaper version of Steve Staios for seasons to come, as long as he stays on top of his conditioning. He's mean as hell, and that's an element this defensive corps is lacking.

-- There's still no official word from the Oilers medical staff, but as I suggested March 5, expect Ryan Whitney to have off-season surgery on his right foot to correct a defect he's already had repaired in his left foot.

Whitney had what's called on osteotomy on his left foot in August 2008 to re-align bones in his foot. Whitney has extremely high arches that lead to chronic pain.

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#51 Ender
March 23 2010, 03:03PM
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Rob... wrote:

I do think it's fair to ask whether Quinn has value that isn't showing up in the win column, or is being hindered by upper management in such a way that he hasn't been able to do his job. If the answer is no to both of those things then it's just another Tambi contract that is much too long, especially on a club that has two people filling one position.

Two Jack Adams Awards and 774 career wins says he might have some value as a coach. What he's hindered by is a roster that looks like a MASH unit and a GM that didn't fill any of the gaping holes on said roster.

Regarding contract, there's no salary cap on coaching positions and it's not our money so why worry about what the Oilers spend on coaching? Heck, if I thought the Oilers would be better with 18 coaches I'd be recommending picking up 14 more. Salary aside, Quinn replaced MacT and Renney replaced Huddy so I don't see how that's two people doing one job.

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#52 Nate Full of Hate
March 23 2010, 04:30PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Nate: Why so full of hate?

I miss playoff hockey in Oil Country. :(

Seriously though,

It was my texting handle on the Jim Rome Show

from my days living in Denver.

War Matt Duchene

War George Gwozdecky

UN War the CFL

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#53 Pajamah
March 23 2010, 08:12PM
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Nate Full of Hate wrote:

I miss playoff hockey in Oil Country. :(

Seriously though,

It was my texting handle on the Jim Rome Show

from my days living in Denver.

War Matt Duchene

War George Gwozdecky

UN War the CFL

Now I get the Canadian apologist crack!!

Thats why you thought I had an issue with the Oilers drafting Campbell? (Yes, I'm a little slow)

No sir, wouldve had the same problem had you said Benjamin Conz.

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#54 Rob...
March 23 2010, 09:33PM
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Ender wrote:

Rob... wrote:

I do think it's fair to ask whether Quinn has value that isn't showing up in the win column, or is being hindered by upper management in such a way that he hasn't been able to do his job. If the answer is no to both of those things then it's just another Tambi contract that is much too long, especially on a club that has two people filling one position.

Two Jack Adams Awards and 774 career wins says he might have some value as a coach. What he's hindered by is a roster that looks like a MASH unit and a GM that didn't fill any of the gaping holes on said roster.

Regarding contract, there's no salary cap on coaching positions and it's not our money so why worry about what the Oilers spend on coaching? Heck, if I thought the Oilers would be better with 18 coaches I'd be recommending picking up 14 more. Salary aside, Quinn replaced MacT and Renney replaced Huddy so I don't see how that's two people doing one job.

I'd argue that Two Jack Adams Awards and 774 career wins say he was worth a shot as coach, the same way 1599 points in the NHL might suggest Yagr is worth a one year contract. Want to know what I'd do with thoughts of an extension though if Yagr wasn't able to muster at least the points he is in the KHL? And that's regardless who the GM has given him to play with.

Good point on the Renney for Huddy thing, though I never did bring up money, just the idea that if Quinn wasn't providing value this year then it was a bad contract.

Going back to my original post, I was still just trying to find out if Quinn was providing that value in some way that wasn't showing up on the score sheet.

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#55 Starving Student
March 23 2010, 09:56PM
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With the injury i think it's safe to say, Theo Peckham you're no doubt an Oiler!

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#56 michael clarke
March 24 2010, 04:45PM
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@Cory Dakin

Your points are well made. Tambo would have to admit the mistake. That ain't going to happen anytime soon. Also I really can't see Bulin playing 55 games next season or in any other season in the future. If they can swallow the contract in the minors? I would put him there until apoint a time that a desparate team comes callin. Analogy. Fuhr and Moog. This may turn into one of those situations. JDD looked awesome last night again. The Oilers D has solidified. No Garbagekov giving away the puck. No Staios taking penalties in critical situations. No Visnovsky being outmuscled for the puck. And No Souray moping around giving half and effort each and every night.Funny how the Oilers fortunes have changed since the trade deadline? Whitney is wow. Gilbert looks like he found his best friend in Whitney. Johnson looks like a dog who has found a home and is marking his territory. Peckham has looked like Peckham. A wall with legs. He is physical. Strudwick is what he is. A good reliable 6-7 defenceman. Simple looking D. Nothing fancy. It shows in the results. We are 6-5 since the deadline.

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