Do you see what I see, edition VII

Jason Gregor
March 29 2010 10:06AM

With less than two weeks to go in the season, how much can we take out of these final games?

Are five consecutive solid starts enough that the Oilers need to be concerned that a team will claim Devan Dubnyk next year? Or are they enough that the Oilers will keep him and waive Jeff Deslauriers? Or is trading one of them the best option for Steve Tambellini?

If he trades one then they have zero depth in the organization and with Nikolai Khabibulin’s age and recent back surgery I don’t know if that's the best option. The only way they trade one of them is if they can sign a journeyman veteran who won’t get claimed on waivers.

I don’t think Dubnyk has shown enough for a team to grab him and keep him as their back up next season.

Robert Nilsson and Patrick O’Sullivan are exact replicas. Soft and inconsistent yet they can tantalize you skill that gives you a false sense that they have turned the corner. O’Sullivan is a bit grittier, but like his consistency that facet of his game only appears from time-to-time. Does Tambellini keep one of them, or both?

Both of them are under 26 years of age, so they can be bought out for 1/3 of their salary, but I don’t see both of them getting the pink slip. If I had to choose I’d get rid of O’Sullivan first, but I bet the team parts ways with Nilsson.

Can the Oilers move forward with Sam Gagner and Andrew Cogliano as centremen? Not if they want to be a contender some day, but Cogliano has put up some decent numbers since being promoted off the 4th line. He has four goals and nine points in his last 11 games, after scoring five goals and 14 points in the first 64.

I think his promotion has been a showcase and he’ll be moved this summer. I like his game and I think he’ll be a 20-goal man very soon, but he just doesn’t fit in the long term plans with Gagner and Tyler Seguin in the mix. Yes, I said Seguin. I think that is who the Oilers should choose on June 1st, if they get the first pick.

The Oilers will move Cogliano for a winger with size or a solid D-man.

The more I think about it, the more realistic it seems that the Oilers might move Ales Hemsky. Hemsky likes Edmonton, but he is tired of losing. Either they move Hemsky or they improve his supporting cast so this team can make the playoffs. I don’t think the latter is that easy, so Hemsky might be dangled.

I know a majority of fans are dreaming of getting the top two picks, but that slim, and I mean slim, possibility will only happen if Boston or Columbus is the other team in the top two. Carolina, Tampa and the Islanders won’t trade the pick, but Boston and Columbus would at least consider it. Scott Howson and Peter Chiarelli need to win next season, while the other three can be patient.

Once again it looks like the east will have four of the top five picks. It’s no wonder many of the top young stars play in the east. Since the 2000 draft only once, 2007, has the west had three picks in the top five. Every other year the east has had at least three choices, and three times they have had four of the top five picks.

Here is who the east and west have drafted since 2000.

East West
Rick Dipietro Marian Gaborik
Dany Heatley   Rostislav Klesla
Raffi Torres Stanislav Chistov
Ilya Kovalchuk Rick Nash
Jason Spezza Nikolai Zherdev
Alexandr Svitov Cam Barker
Stephan Weiss Blake Wheeler
Kari Lehtonen Bobby Ryan
Jay Bouwmeester Benoit Pouliot
Joni Pitkanen Erik Johnson
Ryan Whitney Jonathon Toews
Marc-Andre Fleury Patrick Kane
Eric Staal Kyle Turris  
Nathan Horton Thomas Hickey
Thomas Vanek Drew Doughty
Alex Ovechkin  Alex Pietrangelo
Evgeni Malkin   Matt Duchene
Sidney Crosby  Brayden Schenn
Jack Johnson  
Carey Price  
Jordan Staal   
Nicklas Backstrom  
Phil Kessel  
James Van Riemsdyk   
Karl Alzner   
Steven Stamkos  
Zach Bogosian  
Luke Schenn  
John Tavares   
Victor Hedman   
Evander Kane  

The western teams need to learn how to suck better down the stretch. The Blue Jackets are 6-2-2 in their last ten and are now out of the bottom five, and if they keep rolling them might find themselves drafting 9th. Just more proof that you can’t get teams to purposely tank it down the stretch. The Jackets beat the Hawks twice in the last week.

With four straight wins it looks the Sharks have woke up and will get home ice advantage in the west. They won’t face Detroit in the first round, so I will pick the Sharks to represent the west in the Cup. I know they have Joe “I can’t play with emotion” Thornton, but I believe the Olympic experience will help him and with Dan Boyle, Dany Heatley and Patrick Marleau all winning the gold, the Sharks will finally make it to the fourth round.

I don’t like the Hawks goaltending, and I don’t think Vancouver’s defence is deep enough to win three rounds.

And it will be sweet to watch the Flames scratch and claw their way to 9th place in the west. They are dreaming if they think they will catch Colorado. They play each other this Friday, but it won’t matter. The Avs have five of their seven remaining games at home where they are 23-11-2. Sorry Flamers you won’t be going to the dance.

I wonder if the Flames would be in the playoffs if they showed as much fire as Jim Playfair, the head coach of their AHL team in Abbotsford.

Playfair lost it over the weekend. To bad he didn’t rip off his shirt,that would have been even funnier.

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#51 Lofty
March 29 2010, 12:00PM
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yegCopywriter wrote:

Actually, I'd say that POS has one of the hardest snap shots on the team. He just doesn't seem to pick his spots and they usually end up being easy saves.

Not a chance

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#52 cambosmash
March 29 2010, 12:04PM
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The only reason anyone is leaning towards Hall instead of Seguin is because you "saw him good" at the WJC. Seguin has almost twice as many even strength goals as Hall (34 to 19). Twice as many! He's an even strength game breaker, unlike Hall and Rob Schremp who rack up points on the pp and into an empty nets.

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#53 Reggie
March 29 2010, 12:05PM
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Giggsunited wrote:

whatever happened to Kyle Turris? he's not anywhere to be seen on hockeys future for Phoenix?

Off-season back surgery similar to Lupul and Smid.

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#54 Let's Rebuild
March 29 2010, 12:07PM
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If I'm not mistaken they have been using Nilsson on the point for the second PP unit. That adds a lot more of a dynamic playmaker on the point than POS.

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#55 BUCK75
March 29 2010, 12:08PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

That's why I think we should take a stab at Vermette for Hemsky straight up. Pad up with Cogs & other 'prospects/suspects' for the pick. Vermette is slightly cheaper than Hemsky.

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#56 Twiggs
March 29 2010, 12:14PM
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@cambosmash

So special teams goals don't count for as much on the scoreboard? I found after watching them both play Hall seemed like a much quicker, more dynamic player.

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#57 Matt Henderson
March 29 2010, 12:16PM
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@BUCK75

Vermette for Hemsky? That's a bold move. Too risky for this anonymous commenter.

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#58 Sars
March 29 2010, 12:21PM
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I would keep Nilsson over O'Sullivan in a heartbeat. Sure, they're both inconsistent, but I think Nilsson is trying to improve, and add more elements to his game. O'Sullivan almost acts like he's entitled or something. When he was on the 4th line earlier in the year, he complained. Nilsson (as far as I know), did not. And I've noticed him trying to hit more, and go to the tougher areas of the ice.

That being said, I think Nilsson is more likely to be gone over O'Sullivan. And I also think Cogliano will be gone, and that makes me really mad. He has been one of my favorite players since his first season, and I dislike the lack of oppurtunity he's been given. Except that lately, he has been given a lot of oppurtunity, which makes me believe (like Gregor) that he is being showcased for trade.

As for the goaltending situation, I think Dubnky and JDD have both made strong cases to be here next year. I don't think Dubnyk would be claimed on waivers though, nor I think he'd bring much back in a trade. So I'm thinkinbg our goaltending for next season will start out the same as it did this season, with JDD as the backup.

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#59 Woogie
March 29 2010, 12:21PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

That's why I think we should take a stab at Vermette for Hemsky straight up. Pad up with Cogs & other 'prospects/suspects' for the pick. Vermette is slightly cheaper than Hemsky.

Give your head a shake my friend!

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#60 Crash
March 29 2010, 12:27PM
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Sars wrote:

I would keep Nilsson over O'Sullivan in a heartbeat. Sure, they're both inconsistent, but I think Nilsson is trying to improve, and add more elements to his game. O'Sullivan almost acts like he's entitled or something. When he was on the 4th line earlier in the year, he complained. Nilsson (as far as I know), did not. And I've noticed him trying to hit more, and go to the tougher areas of the ice.

That being said, I think Nilsson is more likely to be gone over O'Sullivan. And I also think Cogliano will be gone, and that makes me really mad. He has been one of my favorite players since his first season, and I dislike the lack of oppurtunity he's been given. Except that lately, he has been given a lot of oppurtunity, which makes me believe (like Gregor) that he is being showcased for trade.

As for the goaltending situation, I think Dubnky and JDD have both made strong cases to be here next year. I don't think Dubnyk would be claimed on waivers though, nor I think he'd bring much back in a trade. So I'm thinkinbg our goaltending for next season will start out the same as it did this season, with JDD as the backup.

I just got a signed Cogliano jersey so that pretty much seals that he will be gone I'm afraid :)

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#61 SirFozz
March 29 2010, 12:27PM
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The thing that scares me about Hall is that he was no problem going 100 mph into the tough areas and getting creamed to make a play. While this aspect of his game is easy to appreciate, the Oilers don't need another injury prone player.

That said, I still have no idea which way to go. Hope they choose right.

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BUCK75 wrote:

That's why I think we should take a stab at Vermette for Hemsky straight up. Pad up with Cogs & other 'prospects/suspects' for the pick. Vermette is slightly cheaper than Hemsky.

I don't do Hemsky for Vermette. Hesmky and Cogs for Vermette and their pick then I would have to probably do it, that is if that pick turns out to be a good one.

Don't get me wrong I really like Vermette and what he brings, but he is more of a #2-#3 center. This 60+ season seems like a real good year, but not something I'd expect out of him every year.

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#63 BUCK75
March 29 2010, 12:32PM
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@Matt Henderson

@ Woogie

If your're getting their first pick & if Colubus has to lose some salary.

That would be ridiculous to trade straight up. If Vermette was part of the deal, we would have to lose a center, like Cogs.

I think trading Hemsky for just a pick is riskier than getting back a player & a pick. It's tangible - you can see the player. People would be chastising a Hemsky for a pick deal forever if the pick didn't pan out the way us fans would want.

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SirFozz wrote:

The thing that scares me about Hall is that he was no problem going 100 mph into the tough areas and getting creamed to make a play. While this aspect of his game is easy to appreciate, the Oilers don't need another injury prone player.

That said, I still have no idea which way to go. Hope they choose right.

I rather have someone that goes into the tough areas then someone who is going to wait for the puck (not saying that is Seguin).

We don't have guys that will go into the tough areas and hopefully with the new headshot rule we won't have to worry about him getting his head knocked off.

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BUCK75 wrote:

@ Woogie

If your're getting their first pick & if Colubus has to lose some salary.

That would be ridiculous to trade straight up. If Vermette was part of the deal, we would have to lose a center, like Cogs.

I think trading Hemsky for just a pick is riskier than getting back a player & a pick. It's tangible - you can see the player. People would be chastising a Hemsky for a pick deal forever if the pick didn't pan out the way us fans would want.

When I mentioned salary coming back from CBJ I was thinking more on the lines of someone they don't need, not their 2nd best player.

Anyone catch that Hejda is being sat? He or Chris Clark was who I was thinking about when taking on some salary.

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#66 SirFozz
March 29 2010, 12:36PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

I rather have someone that goes into the tough areas then someone who is going to wait for the puck (not saying that is Seguin).

We don't have guys that will go into the tough areas and hopefully with the new headshot rule we won't have to worry about him getting his head knocked off.

Not true. The latest Spacek hit is still clean. Of course we want players to go into the dirty areas, but Hall does get hit big lots. After the past few seasons of injures, it does worry me.

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#67 Cutterov
March 29 2010, 12:37PM
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@Jay

I agree with you 100 percent Jay. Seguin plays on a worse team then Hall However playing on a worse team with little tar power allows Seguin to be the guy and do what he wants and get top ice. If Hall wasnt producing there would be many others guys available to take his spot in the line-up. This Hall has to compete harder for ice time then Seguin. There has been mention that Seguin stays out for the entire 2 minutes of powerplay time. Hall is also a proven winner with a memorial cup mvp on his resume and Seguin doesnt have this. Hall is that explosive electric player we have been searching for and he is a must to bring in.

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SirFozz wrote:

Not true. The latest Spacek hit is still clean. Of course we want players to go into the dirty areas, but Hall does get hit big lots. After the past few seasons of injures, it does worry me.

The new rule that will be implemented next year could very will include any head hits.

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#69 Matt Henderson
March 29 2010, 12:40PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

I dont think so. They were pretty specific about what kind of head hit. Blindside or from behind to an unsuspecting player. They arent going to ban all head hits.

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#70 Dave Smith
March 29 2010, 12:43PM
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Patrick Osullivan has been a 20 goal scorer with career high of 53 pts. Nilsson has never scored more than this years 11 goals. Nilssons best season before this year is equal to Osullivans worst.

Its simple to see who to keep. Nilssons been a bum here for last 2 seasons, while POS only 1. Bring in a Winger with size and pair him with POS and I bet his pt totals go back up, Nilsson - not so much.

If we do trade Hemsky, I do not want it to be to a western conference team, unless the return is hugely greater than what we would get from the East. He would likely become the biggest Oiler killer since Joe Nieuwendyk. The suggestion of Cogliano + Hemsky for Vermette + a 5-10 pick in my eyes is absolutely horrible. Vermette is a slightly better POS who wins faceoffs. The only way I would move him is if getting a guaranteed star in return or a package of same pt total players. Hemsky is better than his pt totals, take another player that averages 70 pts and put him on the Oilers and he will likely get 50. Take Hemsky and put him on a good team and he has a chance at 100.

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#71 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
March 29 2010, 12:44PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

When I mentioned salary coming back from CBJ I was thinking more on the lines of someone they don't need, not their 2nd best player.

Anyone catch that Hejda is being sat? He or Chris Clark was who I was thinking about when taking on some salary.

Isn't this akin to taking Whitney for Visnovsky? When the Oil dumped Visnovsky one of the reasons was salary-related, despite the fact that he was far and away the best player on the team.

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#72 Bucknuck
March 29 2010, 12:50PM
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If they trade Hemsky there had better be something amazing coming the other direction or it is a bonehead move. Particularly when you consider that we might finally have someone awesome for him to play with.

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#73 Lofty
March 29 2010, 12:51PM
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Dave Smith wrote:

Patrick Osullivan has been a 20 goal scorer with career high of 53 pts. Nilsson has never scored more than this years 11 goals. Nilssons best season before this year is equal to Osullivans worst.

Its simple to see who to keep. Nilssons been a bum here for last 2 seasons, while POS only 1. Bring in a Winger with size and pair him with POS and I bet his pt totals go back up, Nilsson - not so much.

If we do trade Hemsky, I do not want it to be to a western conference team, unless the return is hugely greater than what we would get from the East. He would likely become the biggest Oiler killer since Joe Nieuwendyk. The suggestion of Cogliano + Hemsky for Vermette + a 5-10 pick in my eyes is absolutely horrible. Vermette is a slightly better POS who wins faceoffs. The only way I would move him is if getting a guaranteed star in return or a package of same pt total players. Hemsky is better than his pt totals, take another player that averages 70 pts and put him on the Oilers and he will likely get 50. Take Hemsky and put him on a good team and he has a chance at 100.

How do you explain his +/- and liability on the ice? If you want to go by the numbers POS is on the decline and Nilsson is on the way up.

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#74 Sars
March 29 2010, 12:55PM
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@Crash

I feel your pain...I got my jersey crested with Brodziak's name and number last season...about a month before he got traded :(

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#75 BUCK75
March 29 2010, 12:59PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

If they trade Hemsky there had better be something amazing coming the other direction or it is a bonehead move. Particularly when you consider that we might finally have someone awesome for him to play with.

That is exactly what I'm talking about.

It won't matter who comes back, or who we pick. If they never amount to the expectation of the 70-80 point guy the fans will not look at this deal very good.

If we trade 83 & Clark is coming back with a draft pick an Angry Mob comes to mind. I think the pitchforks & torches would be out in full force.

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Matt Henderson wrote:

I dont think so. They were pretty specific about what kind of head hit. Blindside or from behind to an unsuspecting player. They arent going to ban all head hits.

Is the rule they currently have going to be the one they have next year? Even if the current logic stands true I wouldn't be too worried about Hall getting knocked out.

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#77 Dave Smith
March 29 2010, 01:04PM
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How do you explain his +/- and liability on the ice? If you want to go by the numbers POS is on the decline and Nilsson is on the way up.

Easy, our team sucks, hes been paired with crap players most the season too. By that stat Nilsson > Horcoff. And both are on the decline, Nilsson has 1 more goal than his high, wow, so much better. Hes still 14 pts from his high.

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#78 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
March 29 2010, 01:06PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

That's why I think we should take a stab at Vermette for Hemsky straight up. Pad up with Cogs & other 'prospects/suspects' for the pick. Vermette is slightly cheaper than Hemsky.

still drunk from saturday?

hemsky for vermette? really?

c'mon now

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#79 dragon
March 29 2010, 01:12PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

If they trade Hemsky there had better be something amazing coming the other direction or it is a bonehead move. Particularly when you consider that we might finally have someone awesome for him to play with.

LOL

The only one that would offer 'something amazing' for just-got-my-shoulder-fixed Hemmer would be a solid Oiler Fan...

~ you can't trade Hemsky! bring Hemmer Malkin at center and Hall at the other wing and we're gonna win it all ~

seriously: package deal including Hemmer might get you something to try on 1st line...

and they should have done this 2 years ago!!!

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#80 BUCK75
March 29 2010, 01:12PM
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Possibly....but I really think that is the only way to sell it to the fans. Trade quality, get back a player & the draft pick.

If we traded for the pick, say it is the #4 pick. We get our pick of house hold names like Brett Connolly, Riley Sheahan or Erik Gudbranson. What do you think the reaction is then?

I would hope they wouldn't do the deal if Columbus wasn't picking top 3.

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#81 Matt Henderson
March 29 2010, 01:14PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

I'm not worried about Hall getting hurt. Either he will or he wont and the Oilers cant help that outside of what they do with their training staff.

I'm also intrigued more by Seguin than Hall anyway. I want to see if the EV strength goal difference is something that is maintained in the NHL.

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#82 Let's Rebuild
March 29 2010, 01:16PM
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Everyone except himself

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#83 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
March 29 2010, 01:17PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Possibly....but I really think that is the only way to sell it to the fans. Trade quality, get back a player & the draft pick.

If we traded for the pick, say it is the #4 pick. We get our pick of house hold names like Brett Connolly, Riley Sheahan or Erik Gudbranson. What do you think the reaction is then?

I would hope they wouldn't do the deal if Columbus wasn't picking top 3.

i think the reaction will be negative for almost any trade involving hemsky.

however

trading hemsky for a cheaper version of horcoff probably wont fly. trading hemsky for a top 3 or 4 pick sells the fanbase on potential. you know, that same potential we have had shoved down our throats since '92

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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

i think the reaction will be negative for almost any trade involving hemsky.

however

trading hemsky for a cheaper version of horcoff probably wont fly. trading hemsky for a top 3 or 4 pick sells the fanbase on potential. you know, that same potential we have had shoved down our throats since '92

Trading Hemsky for someone with less potential and roughly the same age and roughly the same cost doesn't make sense.

Whitney for Lubo at least Whitney has a couple things on Lubo and the deal could potentially make us a better team.

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#85 Robin Brownlee
March 29 2010, 01:22PM
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Issuing a major and game misconduct for a glancing blow on a goaltender who his 10 feet out of the crease -- and playing the puck -- is a brutal call by Koharski.

Based on Playfair's reaction, I can only guess that Koharski, being fast-tracked because he's the son of Donut Don, compounded matters by telling Playfair to STFU at the bench.

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#86 Bucknuck
March 29 2010, 01:24PM
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dragon wrote:

LOL

The only one that would offer 'something amazing' for just-got-my-shoulder-fixed Hemmer would be a solid Oiler Fan...

~ you can't trade Hemsky! bring Hemmer Malkin at center and Hall at the other wing and we're gonna win it all ~

seriously: package deal including Hemmer might get you something to try on 1st line...

and they should have done this 2 years ago!!!

Are you trying to troll or should I take you seriously?

If you cannot get a first liner back then you most certainly do not trade him. Have you watched Hemsky play? He is the only 1st liner we have (and maybe Penner when he is on his game), so you better get something back if you trade him.

Are you going to suggest that Hemsky is not a first line forward now?

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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Issuing a major and game misconduct for a glancing blow on a goaltender who his 10 feet out of the crease -- and playing the puck -- is a brutal call by Koharski.

Based on Playfair's reaction, I can only guess that Koharski, being fast-tracked because he's the son of Donut Don, compounded matters by telling Playfair to STFU at the bench.

While I call it a bit more then a glance, either way a major and a game is too much.

But come on doesn't playfair know how much those sticks cost?

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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

if cost is an issue i will send $20 to help pay for the sticks.

the pure entertainment that clip gave me is worth every penny

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be alone.

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#89 Dan the Man
March 29 2010, 01:33PM
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I'm not a big fan of POS or Nilsson but I would take POS. He scored 22 goals once so to me he's slightly more proven than Nilsson.

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#90 Milli
March 29 2010, 01:41PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

After watching our offense completly implode after Hemsky went down, I'm really shocked at how many people don't see his value and importance to the team.

Agreed. I haven't been a Hemmer fan mostly ever, but that is a true statement and has to show us something. If his trade value is that low, why would we even consider it?

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#91 dragon
March 29 2010, 01:54PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Are you trying to troll or should I take you seriously?

If you cannot get a first liner back then you most certainly do not trade him. Have you watched Hemsky play? He is the only 1st liner we have (and maybe Penner when he is on his game), so you better get something back if you trade him.

Are you going to suggest that Hemsky is not a first line forward now?

no trolling...really.

in my opinion (and, yes, I've seem Hemsky play) Hemsky has not lived up to the expectations.

yes, his flashy brilliance have enchanted the Oilers fans but have not produced much else.

I have no idea what has gone on in that locker room to the point it was called 'toxic' by management, by in my limited view Hemsky is part of that veteran core that needs changing.

It will make absolutely no sense to bring Eberle in and draft Hall/Seguin just to have them serve master Hamsky.

my problem with Hemsky is he has not made this team better.

he's put himself in better light, yes. by default players playing with him got some points, but his part in this team probably reflects his 4mil pay grade, not more.

1st liner, yer, but as supportive cast.

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#92 Ducey
March 29 2010, 01:54PM
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The Oilers should keep a maximum of 4 smurfs with Gagner, Cogs and Brule being the 3 main little guys. They can keep a spot warm for Omark or Eberle after they spend some time in the AHL.

They should keep one of Nilsson or O'Sullivan as the 13th forward. Even if they bring in a witch doctor to get rid of the curse, someone in the top 6 will get hurt and one of Nilsson or POS can step in. They can also use them when they play a less physical team or to give someone a night off. They are good for .4 to .5 pts a game which is likely better than a call up.

So keep one of POS or Nilsson. Which one? I don't know - is there really a lot between them?

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#93 Hemmertime
March 29 2010, 01:54PM
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... wow, either ban removed or my IP changed. Ill behave! I swear.

I wouldnt trade Hemsky unless we were packaging him together with our First overall pick for something like Malkin. Other than that... maybe for the #2 overall pick if Hemmer looks like he won't resign.

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#94 BUCK75
March 29 2010, 02:00PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

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... wow, either ban removed or my IP changed. Ill behave! I swear.

I wouldnt trade Hemsky unless we were packaging him together with our First overall pick for something like Malkin. Other than that... maybe for the #2 overall pick if Hemmer looks like he won't resign.

*facepalm*

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#95 Crash
March 29 2010, 02:01PM
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dragon wrote:

no trolling...really.

in my opinion (and, yes, I've seem Hemsky play) Hemsky has not lived up to the expectations.

yes, his flashy brilliance have enchanted the Oilers fans but have not produced much else.

I have no idea what has gone on in that locker room to the point it was called 'toxic' by management, by in my limited view Hemsky is part of that veteran core that needs changing.

It will make absolutely no sense to bring Eberle in and draft Hall/Seguin just to have them serve master Hamsky.

my problem with Hemsky is he has not made this team better.

he's put himself in better light, yes. by default players playing with him got some points, but his part in this team probably reflects his 4mil pay grade, not more.

1st liner, yer, but as supportive cast.

Isn't this year with Hemsky being out all year a pretty good gauge that Hemsky in fact does make this team better....

We need to re-up Hemsky beyond his current contract and watch him, Eberle, Hall, Gagner, Brule, Penner and MPS shine during the next 4 yrs...

Finally something for Hemsky to work with...

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#96 I'm a Scientist!
March 29 2010, 02:02PM
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Ducey wrote:

The Oilers should keep a maximum of 4 smurfs with Gagner, Cogs and Brule being the 3 main little guys. They can keep a spot warm for Omark or Eberle after they spend some time in the AHL.

They should keep one of Nilsson or O'Sullivan as the 13th forward. Even if they bring in a witch doctor to get rid of the curse, someone in the top 6 will get hurt and one of Nilsson or POS can step in. They can also use them when they play a less physical team or to give someone a night off. They are good for .4 to .5 pts a game which is likely better than a call up.

So keep one of POS or Nilsson. Which one? I don't know - is there really a lot between them?

Is Brule really a smurf? I would call him mid-sized or average, but not a smurf or a giant.

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#97 RossCreekNation
March 29 2010, 02:02PM
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So... Phoenix to Winnipeg? Where there's smoke, there's fire! I've been saying this for weeks now (not that I'm that smart, but Scott Taylor suggested as much on Oilers Lunch with Bob a while back). David Thompson, Winnipeg... STAND UP!

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2010/03/29/daily2.html

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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

After watching our offense completly implode after Hemsky went down, I'm really shocked at how many people don't see his value and importance to the team.

While I don't disagree, doesn't that show the lack of top end talent on this team?

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#99 Matt Henderson
March 29 2010, 02:07PM
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@dragon

He hasnt produced much except nearly a point per game since the Lockout. How is Hemsky part of the toxic veteran core that crapped the bed this season considering he only played 1 quarter of the season? (the most successful quarter for the team)

And what makes you think anyone is serving "Master Hemsky"? How hasnt he made this team better? Which of his linemates wasnt helped by playing with him?

I understand wanting more from the guy; Leadership, goals, etc, but your accusations are totally baseless.

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#100 Crash
March 29 2010, 02:09PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

While I don't disagree, doesn't that show the lack of top end talent on this team?

Yes absolutely, but is it possible that the top end talent is in place now and will show itself within the next 2 or 3 years?

Hemsky, Gagner, Eberle, Hall

Penner, Magnus Paajarvi Svensson, Brule

oh and Horcoff :)

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