BREAK STUFF

Wanye
March 03 2010 03:25PM

"Its just one of those days when you don't wanna wake up, everything is f***ed, everybody sucks. You don't really know why but you wanna justify, rippin' someone's head off. Your best bet is to stay away mother f****r - its just one of those days."

- Fred Durst of Limp Bizkit fame rapping directly to Oilers fans around the world.

So this is it is it Nation? After a season of waiting for someone - anyone among the 4,026 people collecting a Kay-Z paycheque to run this team - to step up and fix the squadron and provide us with a micron of hope. This is the best we could do is it?

It is clear that we have now crossed the threshold of a team looking to make upgrades to the current roster and have now become a team looking to blow it all up and let it all die. 17 points out of 14th place in the Western Conference, it's hard to imagine how things could get worse for the Oilers.

But that is exactly what the monkeys running the zoo have been able to pull off.

So, lets take a quick gander at the trades the Oilers managed to pull off today shall we?

INSULT NUMBER ONE

Lubomir Visnovsky to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for Ryan Whitney and a sixth-round draft pick.

Wow, where do we start with this humdinger of a crappy deal? Perhaps by pointing out that dealing away the only only offensive defenseman that isn't currently staring down hand amputation surgery - helpfully announced with about an hour to the deadline we might add - the Oilers are basically saying "there is no sense keeping good players around here. Not with what we are in the midst of destroying."

RYAN WHITNEY - 4 Million per season, signed through 2012-13.

2009-10 ANA 62 GP 4G 24A  28 Pts  -6 48 PIM

2008-09 ANA 20 GP 0G 10A 10 Pts +1 12 PIM

2008-09 PIT 28 GP 2G 11A 13 Pts -15 16 PIM

2007-08 PIT 76 GP 12G 28A 40 Pts -2 45 PIM

2006-07 PIT 81 GP 14G 45 A 59 Pts +9 77 PIM

2005-06 PIT 68 GP 6G 32A 38 Pts -7 85 PIM

Here is the boiled down deal with Whitney. When he broke into the league with Pittsburgh, he collected mad second assists, scored at an above average pace for a defenseman and used to hit. This all went down on a young gun team of Penguins and he was able to coast along with an offensively gifted team.

Then he stopped hitting, scoring and collecting points and got dealt to Anaheim late last year.

Then the Ducks took a look at him doing less and less and dealt him to the Oilers for one of the better offensive defensemen in the game in Visnovsky. Even on the worst team in the NHL (and possibly the AHL) Visnovsky has been able to contribute regularly this season and was arguably one of the only positives on the team.

This trade is a salary dump - plain and simple - and for 1.6 million less per season it wasn't even a good one in that regard. The Oilers are still paying 4 million for a substantially worse defenseman that they have up for another 3 seasons to come.

Welcome to the Oilers Tom Gilbert II.

INSULT NUMBER TWO

Steve Staios to the Calgary Flames for defenceman Aaron Johnson and a third round draft pick.

Steve Staios, Assistant Captain and former folk hero with 99% of Edmontonians, has exactly one year left on his contract but was moved to the Calgary Flames of all teams to save $2.7 million dollars on a team that will still be incapable of even hoping to be .500 next year. Remember when trading within your Conference or Division was considered unwise? Remember when deals with the Flames were rarer than a 2010 Oilers victory? All these rules seem to have gone out the window now.

It's as though the Oilers head office have a secret list of "the hell we can put our fan base though in a 6 year period" and they are just checking off each item as fast as they can.

Really Tambellini? Staios to the Flames huh? Are there any insults left you can hurl in our collective direction?

We aren't going to even bother looking at Aaron Johnson's career stats. Know why? Cause he sucks and we don't care. And as he is a UFA at the end of the season hopefully he hits the dusty trail as quickly as he arrived.

HERE IS WHAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND

As crappy as the Oilers have been, they have at least been able to lay claim to a decent - albeit expensive - defensive corps. It has been one of the few bright spots on this team that justice and time have forgotten. But now with the departures of Lubo, Staios and Grebs, coupled with the wonderfully timed season ending hand infection suffered by Sheldon Souray, this leaves the Oilers with the following defenseman:

Whitney - Gilbert

Smid - Studwick

JUNK - JUNK

JUNK

This could be somehow overlooked if by some miracle the holes on the team had actually been plugged as a result of the decimation of our defensive corps. Defensive forward anyone? Nope. Physical forward or d-man capable of hardening up this butter soft lineup? Nope. The ever elusive player capable of winning faceoffs on a regular basis? Crickets. A mercy trade for our shell shocked Captain? Nein. A goalie to plug in behind Glug Glug Ripoffibulin and the backup AHL goaltending duo? No.

How can we have even less hope after the trade deadline? It boggles the mind.

We are really rollin' now.

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#101 Cayman
March 03 2010, 05:22PM
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In Hall We Trust wrote:

Tyler Seguin is more of a complete player but less skilled than Hall.

How do you figure? Seguin's in his second year of junior vs. Hall's third. He's on a terrible team while Hall's on a top team, and he's scored 10 more goals and 5 more points to date this year. He's also playing centre.

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#102 Heavyd
March 03 2010, 05:23PM
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Whats a good website for online gambling?

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#103 RossCreekNation
March 03 2010, 05:23PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

For whom - RossCreek?

...and you thought the Visnovsky trade was bad!

LOLZ

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#104 Ender
March 03 2010, 05:30PM
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I needed time to process. I’ve processed now. Here are the three reasons why the Whitney/Vishnovsky trade absolutely stinks:

1) As Rick pointed out, Whitney and Grebeshkov are very similar players. I spent some time following up on their stats; their scoring rates are almost identical and the slightly better +/- from Whitney is offset by Grebs slightly younger age and slightly higher goal-scoring ability. Add to this the fact that Whitney got these numbers playing for the Ducks while Grebs got his playing for the Oilers, and Grebs actually comes out looking (to me) like the better player. (I know. It shocked me too. Sorry, Wanye.) Oh, and here’s the kicker: Grebs was doing it for about $1M less per year. Where are we going with this? (Secondrounder in / Grebs out) + (Grebsclone in / Visnovsky out) ≈ (Secondrounder in / Visnovsky out) And that makes me sick. The savings for Vis/Whitney are eaten up by the price increase on Whitney/Grebs, so salary is a wash and it ends up to be dumping Visnovsky for a pick.

2) In case you’re curious about actual salary, Visnovsky’s deal was getting cheaper every year. Whitney’s is getting more expensive. I’m sure Katz doesn’t mind, right Tambo?

3) As Travis Dakin pointed out, Stoll+Greene for Vishnovsky for Whitney = Stoll+Greene for Whitney. Methink me no likey.

The more I think about it, the more I hate this deal. Spin it however you like; this is the day I’m officially onboard the FTNF bandwagon.

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#105 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
March 03 2010, 05:37PM
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Ender wrote:

I needed time to process. I’ve processed now. Here are the three reasons why the Whitney/Vishnovsky trade absolutely stinks:

1) As Rick pointed out, Whitney and Grebeshkov are very similar players. I spent some time following up on their stats; their scoring rates are almost identical and the slightly better +/- from Whitney is offset by Grebs slightly younger age and slightly higher goal-scoring ability. Add to this the fact that Whitney got these numbers playing for the Ducks while Grebs got his playing for the Oilers, and Grebs actually comes out looking (to me) like the better player. (I know. It shocked me too. Sorry, Wanye.) Oh, and here’s the kicker: Grebs was doing it for about $1M less per year. Where are we going with this? (Secondrounder in / Grebs out) + (Grebsclone in / Visnovsky out) ≈ (Secondrounder in / Visnovsky out) And that makes me sick. The savings for Vis/Whitney are eaten up by the price increase on Whitney/Grebs, so salary is a wash and it ends up to be dumping Visnovsky for a pick.

2) In case you’re curious about actual salary, Visnovsky’s deal was getting cheaper every year. Whitney’s is getting more expensive. I’m sure Katz doesn’t mind, right Tambo?

3) As Travis Dakin pointed out, Stoll+Greene for Vishnovsky for Whitney = Stoll+Greene for Whitney. Methink me no likey.

The more I think about it, the more I hate this deal. Spin it however you like; this is the day I’m officially onboard the FTNF bandwagon.

put the common sense thoughts and rational ideas aside for a sec.

what we have here is a dedicated plan to solidify a top 2 pick. vis was one of the few with potential to put up points, and potentially help put up wins.

with this d core and JDD manning the nets, it is going to be tough for any other team in the league to match the garbage that is this years oilers.

beggin for seguin!!!!!!

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#106 Petr's Jofa
March 03 2010, 05:37PM
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Racki wrote:

Quite a few RFAs this year, including the big ones.. Gagner, Cogliano, Brule, to name a few...

So having that cash is good. Plus, why spend money to suck? :)

Yes there are RFAs to resign, but there are also players that can be bought out and contract that will expire. I don't understand why you give up a quality player like Visnosky unless you clearly win the trade.

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#107 RossCreekNation
March 03 2010, 05:39PM
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Kinda shocked Ethan Moreau wasn't moved. Even for a 7th round pick. Did Tambellini get greedy and try to get to much or was no one willing to take him for a 7th? I bet they got greedy.

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#108 OilFan
March 03 2010, 05:41PM
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Now the Oilers need to get two more dman ( one a offensive dman)in the off season and still has to fill the holes we have they year ( checking center, some one to score goals). How in the world is Tambo going to get free agents to come to Edmonton. The weather is bad and the city( well i love it) isn't on the top of many players list. Oh yeah and the team sucks. I sure hope Tambo's replacement does better then him. Yes I fully believe he will be let go. There is no way Katz can talk the people of Edmonton into paying for a new arena with the management team he has running this team. No way

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#109 Crooked
March 03 2010, 05:43PM
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Tambellini was going to face harsh criticism regardless of what moves he made. He could have gotten more for Grebs and Visnovsky, but it doesn't seem like the other teams were offering much, based on the trades made throughout the NHL at the deadline this season. I don't like moving Visnovsky, but it's clear with a rebuild taking place he wasn't in the team's plans moving forward. Best of luck to him.

Regardless, I'm glad Grebs and Staios are gone. They contributed pretty well in the past, but this year has been a disaster for both of them. Hopefully they do well with their new teams.

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#110 OilFan
March 03 2010, 05:46PM
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Do you really think it's going to take a lot of money to resign Gagne,Brule or Cogs? Brule has played very good this year. I like Cogs and Gagne. But Gagne and Cogs are 45 point players. Gagne hasn't stepped up his play since his first year. Still a point every second game player. I don't see any one sending a offer sheet to them, if so i'm sure it could be matched.

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#111 Ender
March 03 2010, 05:47PM
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@Crooked

Pardon me, did you just say you hope Staios does well with his new team? Blasphemy!!!

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#112 Petr's Jofa
March 03 2010, 05:47PM
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@Crooked

If other teams weren't offering much, why trade him today? He's not a UFA, Tambo could have traded him this summer when teams have more cap space.

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#113 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 03 2010, 05:48PM
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Ender wrote:

I needed time to process. I’ve processed now. Here are the three reasons why the Whitney/Vishnovsky trade absolutely stinks:

1) As Rick pointed out, Whitney and Grebeshkov are very similar players. I spent some time following up on their stats; their scoring rates are almost identical and the slightly better +/- from Whitney is offset by Grebs slightly younger age and slightly higher goal-scoring ability. Add to this the fact that Whitney got these numbers playing for the Ducks while Grebs got his playing for the Oilers, and Grebs actually comes out looking (to me) like the better player. (I know. It shocked me too. Sorry, Wanye.) Oh, and here’s the kicker: Grebs was doing it for about $1M less per year. Where are we going with this? (Secondrounder in / Grebs out) + (Grebsclone in / Visnovsky out) ≈ (Secondrounder in / Visnovsky out) And that makes me sick. The savings for Vis/Whitney are eaten up by the price increase on Whitney/Grebs, so salary is a wash and it ends up to be dumping Visnovsky for a pick.

2) In case you’re curious about actual salary, Visnovsky’s deal was getting cheaper every year. Whitney’s is getting more expensive. I’m sure Katz doesn’t mind, right Tambo?

3) As Travis Dakin pointed out, Stoll+Greene for Vishnovsky for Whitney = Stoll+Greene for Whitney. Methink me no likey.

The more I think about it, the more I hate this deal. Spin it however you like; this is the day I’m officially onboard the FTNF bandwagon.

How do you come to the conclusion that Whitney and Grebs put up very similar numbers?

I'm not a huge Whitney fan, but he's alot better then Grebs. He's a Gilbert clone only better, Whitney's down years are Gilbert good years.

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#114 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 03 2010, 05:51PM
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@RossCreekNation

I'd bet he got gready as well.

Follow the events: Reports come out of pretty crappy offers (ie Moreau + pick for Exelby)

Tambellini states offers are starting to increase for his players

At the very last minute Staios is traded for a pretty healthy return for him....don't you think that makes Tambo was holding out right to the end to get a nice return for Staios...which should make you think the same for Moreau.

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#115 DonDon
March 03 2010, 05:54PM
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After coming off a real high from the excitement of the Vancouver 2010 Olympics, this is just appalling! It is not like the sky is falling, the sky has actually fallen and Oiler fans have been pancaked.

If Tambellini was trying to clear some cap space as well as rid the organization of bad contracts, why would he have claimed an AHL player off waivers and added Whitney's and Johnson's contracts? Is this rebuilding?

This is indeed the season from hell for the Oil. I guess we should have expected such when Tambellini wasted the summer passing up on opportunities to strengthen the team by picking up inexpensive players while pathetically chasing Heatley and then signing a 36-year old often injured Khabibullin to a 4-year contract.

When you think it can't get worse, it gets worse. The monkeys are actually running the zoo.

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#116 S.Tambellini
March 03 2010, 05:54PM
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Sheesh. You guys are never happy. Maybe next year I let Joey and Sparky steer the ship for the day.

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#117 Crooked
March 03 2010, 06:11PM
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@Petr's Jofa

When has Tambellini done anything as a GM that's made any sense?

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#118 BarryS
March 03 2010, 06:14PM
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@Crooked

If there were any better offers for the three defencemen, then they would have been traded for those better offers.

I think most people here jus b*tch for the sake of b*tching. Does this mean, the fans here are also wrong about decent cheap UFA defencemen being available this summer?

Its not only the Oilers Management who were are guilty of covervaluing the players.

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#119 BarryS
March 03 2010, 06:19PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Given all the complaints about how little he got for those traded, greed doesn't come into it. The sad fact is, the only players with any value were traded. It does not matter what the original offer was, from the Oilers, it matters what the comeback offer was. It would seem there were no comeback offers since there were no more trades.

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#120 Crooked
March 03 2010, 06:20PM
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@Ender

He was a valuable member of the Oilers for a number of years, why wouldn't I wish him well? It's not like Calgary are going to come close to the cup this year anyway.

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#121 Hamburgler
March 03 2010, 06:37PM
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Can I give Wanye props for every part of that article?

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#122 Hamburgler
March 03 2010, 06:46PM
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My biggest problem is how is that the best they could get for Visnovsky? If that is the best, then maybe wait until the draft/summer....

Remember last year at the deadline when trading Ryan Whitney brought Chris Kunitz? Wooooooo. Apparently, Whitney has gotten worse and brings back a better return. Outstanding!

The Staios value is fair, but dealing with Calgary is a kick to the balls.

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#123 Mowzie
March 03 2010, 06:59PM
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Hey Wanye, you spelled Strudwick wrong in your defensive pairings. It's spelled J U N K.

I'm excited honestly, I heard Quinn is gonna get the 6th round pick from Anaheim to suit up and play defense.

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#124 GLoKz0r
March 03 2010, 07:04PM
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I don't think I'll ever understand people's reactions to days like this. What did you expect? Did you really think 1pm was going to roll around, and we were going to be well on our way through the rebuilding process?

Face it folks, we're in this for the long haul. This isn't something that was going to get fixed today.. it's not going to get fixed this off season... we'll probably still be shaking our fists in frustration NEXT off season. If rebuilds were painless, do you think there'd ever be any hesitation? The minute a team was out of the playoff race, GM's would just detonate.

Pittsburgh drafted Crosby with their first round pick. They proceeded to finish dead last that season with a Rookie who put up a 100+ point season. Did you think that we were going to bust out of this one and be playoff bound next season? Give your head a shake. I'd bet dollars to donuts the fans in Chicago weren't exactly ready to hand the key to the city over to their GM either while they wallowed through one piss poor season after another and watched good players get parted out for crap and picks.

We had huge cap problems going in to the deadline day with some key contracts coming to bear on us July 1st. Bitch and moan about the lack of return on Viz all you want, we need the money to sign our young guys more than we need someone who's going to need a walker and portable air tank by the time we're ready to compete.

And Staios? Who cares WHERE he goes so long as he's gone. Nothing but love for the guy, but that 2.7 mil is gonna be mighty handy when Gagner, Cogs and Brule are sitting at the negotiation table this summer. Not to mention we get another pick (Guess what rebuilding teams need? PICKS!)

You guys better get used to this. If Player X's age is >30, they'll likely be shipped for whatever we can get for them.

More to the point, if you think Tambo is going to start kicking doors down to fill all our holes now, rather than in the off season, you should probably look around your room for a paint can with a loose lid or something; there's some fumes doing damage to yer brain. Why trade now for something that might be attainable for free on the FA Market in the off season. (And to hell with this "Edmonton can't sign anyone on the FA Market" nonsense. If that's the case, we're screwed no matter what GM is at the helm, because if you can't even attract some gritty PKers and a decent face off man through the FA, this team will never be complete.)

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#125 OilFan
March 03 2010, 07:31PM
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GLoKz0r wrote:

I don't think I'll ever understand people's reactions to days like this. What did you expect? Did you really think 1pm was going to roll around, and we were going to be well on our way through the rebuilding process?

Face it folks, we're in this for the long haul. This isn't something that was going to get fixed today.. it's not going to get fixed this off season... we'll probably still be shaking our fists in frustration NEXT off season. If rebuilds were painless, do you think there'd ever be any hesitation? The minute a team was out of the playoff race, GM's would just detonate.

Pittsburgh drafted Crosby with their first round pick. They proceeded to finish dead last that season with a Rookie who put up a 100+ point season. Did you think that we were going to bust out of this one and be playoff bound next season? Give your head a shake. I'd bet dollars to donuts the fans in Chicago weren't exactly ready to hand the key to the city over to their GM either while they wallowed through one piss poor season after another and watched good players get parted out for crap and picks.

We had huge cap problems going in to the deadline day with some key contracts coming to bear on us July 1st. Bitch and moan about the lack of return on Viz all you want, we need the money to sign our young guys more than we need someone who's going to need a walker and portable air tank by the time we're ready to compete.

And Staios? Who cares WHERE he goes so long as he's gone. Nothing but love for the guy, but that 2.7 mil is gonna be mighty handy when Gagner, Cogs and Brule are sitting at the negotiation table this summer. Not to mention we get another pick (Guess what rebuilding teams need? PICKS!)

You guys better get used to this. If Player X's age is >30, they'll likely be shipped for whatever we can get for them.

More to the point, if you think Tambo is going to start kicking doors down to fill all our holes now, rather than in the off season, you should probably look around your room for a paint can with a loose lid or something; there's some fumes doing damage to yer brain. Why trade now for something that might be attainable for free on the FA Market in the off season. (And to hell with this "Edmonton can't sign anyone on the FA Market" nonsense. If that's the case, we're screwed no matter what GM is at the helm, because if you can't even attract some gritty PKers and a decent face off man through the FA, this team will never be complete.)

One would think Tambo would have signed those gritty Pkers and a decent face off man last summer. Do you really think Gagne and Brule and Cogs will be getting huge increases in pay ? Making a trade to fill holes won't have hurt the fall for Hall. Tambo created the hole we have with Pk by trading Broz ( can't spell his name). I'm not saying he would have made the diffence but that trade never helped. I think your can of paint is almost empty if you think we can attract UFA's. They offered Hossa 80million enough said.

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#126 GLoKz0r
March 03 2010, 08:08PM
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OilFan wrote:

One would think Tambo would have signed those gritty Pkers and a decent face off man last summer. Do you really think Gagne and Brule and Cogs will be getting huge increases in pay ? Making a trade to fill holes won't have hurt the fall for Hall. Tambo created the hole we have with Pk by trading Broz ( can't spell his name). I'm not saying he would have made the diffence but that trade never helped. I think your can of paint is almost empty if you think we can attract UFA's. They offered Hossa 80million enough said.

Thanks for the heads up, I've cracked a new can to keep the good times rolling.

And yes, one would think. I'm not sold that he's got a master plan and things will all pan out for the best, but I'm hoping against hope that last season he was simply delusional and thought this team could compete with a simple coaching change.

This at the very least shows he's willing to start a rebuild.

As for the UFA's, as I said, if Edmonton literally cannot attract any UFA's, then what's the point in even bitching? The team is screwed. You can't build a team purely from Drafting and Trading, you just can't. It doesn't matter if we have Tambo, or a GM that comes from a genetic soup that includes Steve Yzerman, Scotty Bowman and Jesus Christ. If UFA's are out of the question, so is fielding a competitive team. PERIOD.

I mean, if this is the logic we're holding to, were you hoping Tambo could plug ALL the holes at once by trading Lubo? Give me a break. At best he might have been able to fill one. And then what? Since we can't sign any UFA's, we just can't fill the rest?

So give me your best case scenario here. Let's pretend that through some wheeling and dealing magic, Tambo traded Lubo and got us say... a solid PKer who can take face-offs and a draft pick. What then? By your assumption, no hole can be filled by UFA's, so how does Tambo fill all the other holes, as well as the new hole that's been created by trading away one of the only decent defensemen on a terrible Defensive team?

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#127 OilFan
March 03 2010, 08:55PM
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GLoKz0r wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, I've cracked a new can to keep the good times rolling.

And yes, one would think. I'm not sold that he's got a master plan and things will all pan out for the best, but I'm hoping against hope that last season he was simply delusional and thought this team could compete with a simple coaching change.

This at the very least shows he's willing to start a rebuild.

As for the UFA's, as I said, if Edmonton literally cannot attract any UFA's, then what's the point in even bitching? The team is screwed. You can't build a team purely from Drafting and Trading, you just can't. It doesn't matter if we have Tambo, or a GM that comes from a genetic soup that includes Steve Yzerman, Scotty Bowman and Jesus Christ. If UFA's are out of the question, so is fielding a competitive team. PERIOD.

I mean, if this is the logic we're holding to, were you hoping Tambo could plug ALL the holes at once by trading Lubo? Give me a break. At best he might have been able to fill one. And then what? Since we can't sign any UFA's, we just can't fill the rest?

So give me your best case scenario here. Let's pretend that through some wheeling and dealing magic, Tambo traded Lubo and got us say... a solid PKer who can take face-offs and a draft pick. What then? By your assumption, no hole can be filled by UFA's, so how does Tambo fill all the other holes, as well as the new hole that's been created by trading away one of the only decent defensemen on a terrible Defensive team?

LOL. I just grabbed another can also. I think they could trade some picks or players to fill the holes. I think they can get FA but not big names which we probably don't need at this point. I still think Lubo was worth more then Whitney and a 6th round pick but I'm just a disappointed fan like the rest of us. New hole created in defense maybe draft Fowlar not sure. Offensive dman are hard to get it seems like every team want's one. May be a trade with the leafs for Kaberla ( spelling). I guess we will all have to wait till the draft and July 1st. My fingers are crossed. At least next season I won't expect the team to make the playoffs.

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#128 Crash
March 03 2010, 10:27PM
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BarryS wrote:

Given all the complaints about how little he got for those traded, greed doesn't come into it. The sad fact is, the only players with any value were traded. It does not matter what the original offer was, from the Oilers, it matters what the comeback offer was. It would seem there were no comeback offers since there were no more trades.

Couldn't agree more. A more likely guess is Tambo couldn't find a team to take Moreau because of his low value and because he has one year left on a bad contract without the Oilers throwing in a decent draft pick.

More than likely if the Oilers can't find a taker for Moreau he either gets waived after this season or gets bought out.

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#129 Crash
March 03 2010, 10:36PM
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BarryS wrote:

If there were any better offers for the three defencemen, then they would have been traded for those better offers.

I think most people here jus b*tch for the sake of b*tching. Does this mean, the fans here are also wrong about decent cheap UFA defencemen being available this summer?

Its not only the Oilers Management who were are guilty of covervaluing the players.

Again, couldn't agree more....in fact the b*tching and whining on here is really starting to get old and more than tiresome.

And I agree that many on here are overvaluing the players.

Rebuild isn't going to happen overnight people...get used to it

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#130 S.Tambellini
March 03 2010, 10:42PM
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I don't think I'll ever understand people's reactions to days like this. What did you expect? Did you really think 1pm was going to roll around, and we were going to be well on our way through the rebuilding process?

Face it folks, we're in this for the long haul. This isn't something that was going to get fixed today.. it's not going to get fixed this off season... we'll probably still be shaking our fists in frustration NEXT off season. If rebuilds were painless, do you think there'd ever be any hesitation? The minute a team was out of the playoff race, GM's would just detonate.

Pittsburgh drafted Crosby with their first round pick. They proceeded to finish dead last that season with a Rookie who put up a 100+ point season. Did you think that we were going to bust out of this one and be playoff bound next season? Give your head a shake. I'd bet dollars to donuts the fans in Chicago weren't exactly ready to hand the key to the city over to their GM either while they wallowed through one piss poor season after another and watched good players get parted out for crap and picks.

We had huge cap problems going in to the deadline day with some key contracts coming to bear on us July 1st. Bitch and moan about the lack of return on Viz all you want, we need the money to sign our young guys more than we need someone who's going to need a walker and portable air tank by the time we're ready to compete.

And Staios? Who cares WHERE he goes so long as he's gone. Nothing but love for the guy, but that 2.7 mil is gonna be mighty handy when Gagner, Cogs and Brule are sitting at the negotiation table this summer. Not to mention we get another pick (Guess what rebuilding teams need? PICKS!)

You guys better get used to this. If Player X's age is >30, they'll likely be shipped for whatever we can get for them.

More to the point, if you think Tambo is going to start kicking doors down to fill all our holes now, rather than in the off season, you should probably look around your room for a paint can with a loose lid or something; there's some fumes doing damage to yer brain. Why trade now for something that might be attainable for free on the FA Market in the off season. (And to hell with this "Edmonton can't sign anyone on the FA Market" nonsense. If that's the case, we're screwed no matter what GM is at the helm, because if you can't even attract some gritty PKers and a decent face off man through the FA, this team will never be complete.)

I like this guy. You can come over and hang with me and Kevin in the bat cave anytime!

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#131 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 03 2010, 10:53PM
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Crash wrote:

Couldn't agree more. A more likely guess is Tambo couldn't find a team to take Moreau because of his low value and because he has one year left on a bad contract without the Oilers throwing in a decent draft pick.

More than likely if the Oilers can't find a taker for Moreau he either gets waived after this season or gets bought out.

I think our point is, if Staios can get you a 3rd rounder+ how can Moreau not get you a 7th? Especially considering how many rumours their were of him being traded.

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#133 Petr's Jofa
March 04 2010, 04:21AM
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GLoKz0r wrote:

I don't think I'll ever understand people's reactions to days like this. What did you expect? Did you really think 1pm was going to roll around, and we were going to be well on our way through the rebuilding process?

Face it folks, we're in this for the long haul. This isn't something that was going to get fixed today.. it's not going to get fixed this off season... we'll probably still be shaking our fists in frustration NEXT off season. If rebuilds were painless, do you think there'd ever be any hesitation? The minute a team was out of the playoff race, GM's would just detonate.

Pittsburgh drafted Crosby with their first round pick. They proceeded to finish dead last that season with a Rookie who put up a 100+ point season. Did you think that we were going to bust out of this one and be playoff bound next season? Give your head a shake. I'd bet dollars to donuts the fans in Chicago weren't exactly ready to hand the key to the city over to their GM either while they wallowed through one piss poor season after another and watched good players get parted out for crap and picks.

We had huge cap problems going in to the deadline day with some key contracts coming to bear on us July 1st. Bitch and moan about the lack of return on Viz all you want, we need the money to sign our young guys more than we need someone who's going to need a walker and portable air tank by the time we're ready to compete.

And Staios? Who cares WHERE he goes so long as he's gone. Nothing but love for the guy, but that 2.7 mil is gonna be mighty handy when Gagner, Cogs and Brule are sitting at the negotiation table this summer. Not to mention we get another pick (Guess what rebuilding teams need? PICKS!)

You guys better get used to this. If Player X's age is >30, they'll likely be shipped for whatever we can get for them.

More to the point, if you think Tambo is going to start kicking doors down to fill all our holes now, rather than in the off season, you should probably look around your room for a paint can with a loose lid or something; there's some fumes doing damage to yer brain. Why trade now for something that might be attainable for free on the FA Market in the off season. (And to hell with this "Edmonton can't sign anyone on the FA Market" nonsense. If that's the case, we're screwed no matter what GM is at the helm, because if you can't even attract some gritty PKers and a decent face off man through the FA, this team will never be complete.)

I agree with what your saying however what I don't understand is if "we're in this for the long haul" why is cap space for next year so important?

I like the Staios trade and think we lost the grebesckov trade but was ok with it. However, trading you best player for $1.6 mil in cap space at this point in time does not make any sence to me. What was the rush to trade Visnosky? I'm not opposed to trading him, but wouldn't waiting until the summer when more teams have the cap room to make an offer be the better option to maximize the return.

The Oilers must know something about Whitney I don't which is likely because they have a knack for finding and developing defensemen (well they did until this year)

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#134 Chris.
March 04 2010, 07:02AM
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The Oiles must know something about Whitney...

Maybe they just wanted to keep at least one Olympian on the roster so fans in Edmonton can at least pretend they are cheering for an NHL team.

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#135 MattL
March 04 2010, 07:18AM
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Holy cow do I ever feel good about the decision to never buy a Limp Bizkit album ever. I think Rollin' is just a square dance for White Trash suburbanite rednecks.

Now swing your partner round and round, and breathe right in, and breathe right out. Now put your hands up, and put your hands down. Tell me ya'll, what are you going to do now? Let's keep rollin' now... dosey-doe...

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#136 VMR
March 04 2010, 08:44AM
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Petr's Jofa wrote:

I agree with what your saying however what I don't understand is if "we're in this for the long haul" why is cap space for next year so important?

I like the Staios trade and think we lost the grebesckov trade but was ok with it. However, trading you best player for $1.6 mil in cap space at this point in time does not make any sence to me. What was the rush to trade Visnosky? I'm not opposed to trading him, but wouldn't waiting until the summer when more teams have the cap room to make an offer be the better option to maximize the return.

The Oilers must know something about Whitney I don't which is likely because they have a knack for finding and developing defensemen (well they did until this year)

Your overating Visnovsky. He has all of 4 more points than Whitney, is several years older, costs more, is poor defensively and is smaller. Look at what the talking heads on the sports shows outside of Edmonton are saying. We didnt lose this deal, they all seem to think it was a good deal for both sides. The most we would have got in the offseason is bumping that 6th round pick up to a 2nd or 3rd but there's the chance the deal doesnt go through.

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#137 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 04 2010, 09:06AM
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VMR wrote:

Your overating Visnovsky. He has all of 4 more points than Whitney, is several years older, costs more, is poor defensively and is smaller. Look at what the talking heads on the sports shows outside of Edmonton are saying. We didnt lose this deal, they all seem to think it was a good deal for both sides. The most we would have got in the offseason is bumping that 6th round pick up to a 2nd or 3rd but there's the chance the deal doesnt go through.

You're right it's a good deal in the fact that we cashed in an asset that realistically wasn't going to be around long enough to help, however I think alot of people are going to be dissapointed in Whitney, Ducks/Pens fans have never spoken overly high on the guy. He's soft like Lubo but he doesn't have the wheels to make up for his mistakes like Lubo does.

I think the biggest knock on the trade is: Their was no reason to deal him now (especially last minute) he could have been saved for the draft and potentially gotten more/a more appropriet fit.

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#138 Chris.
March 04 2010, 10:06AM
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VMR wrote:

Your overating Visnovsky. He has all of 4 more points than Whitney, is several years older, costs more, is poor defensively and is smaller. Look at what the talking heads on the sports shows outside of Edmonton are saying. We didnt lose this deal, they all seem to think it was a good deal for both sides. The most we would have got in the offseason is bumping that 6th round pick up to a 2nd or 3rd but there's the chance the deal doesnt go through.

You don't see the problem with cross comparing points genrated while playing with the Oilers vs points generated while playing with the Ducks? Visnovsky is still a top 20 defencemen in this league... Whitney is not.

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#139 VMR
March 04 2010, 10:10AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

I think the problem with waiting is finding the right fit. Whitney pretty much replaces Vis and he's cheaper and younger. Would we be able to find a team that wanted to commit that much cap space for 3 seasons? What would we have to take back to make it happen? It's tough to say that there would have been a better deal out there if we waited for the summer.

Whitney is young enough that with the right coaching he still could turn into something pretty good.

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#140 Milli
March 04 2010, 10:42AM
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Newspaper headline: Tambo makes Kevin Lowe look like a GENIUS. I actually have no problem with the Staios trade, ans also wish him the best. He was all class. But the Vish deal, to me, makes no sense. Why not wait, surely we could have got more at the draft? wow, if this year sucked, can you imagine next year?

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#141 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 04 2010, 11:30AM
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VMR wrote:

I think the problem with waiting is finding the right fit. Whitney pretty much replaces Vis and he's cheaper and younger. Would we be able to find a team that wanted to commit that much cap space for 3 seasons? What would we have to take back to make it happen? It's tough to say that there would have been a better deal out there if we waited for the summer.

Whitney is young enough that with the right coaching he still could turn into something pretty good.

It is tought to say, but why rush a last minute deal when you don't have to.

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#142 VMR
March 04 2010, 12:19PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

It is tought to say, but why rush a last minute deal when you don't have to.

If you think Whitney is about as good as your going to get then why wait? Are we just holding out to bump the draft choice up a bit and if so is it really worth possibly souring the deal? What if Anaheim moves on to Kaberle come summer time where do we go then?

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#143 innocent bystander
March 04 2010, 01:41PM
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@RossCreekNation

I bet no one wanted Ethan.

~ I can't understand why though, he is after all signed for another season still which is a "bonus" for teams considering him~

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