Big Sexy's big interview

Jason Gregor
April 12 2010 09:40AM

Calgary Flames v Edmonton Oilers

Take a deep breath Oilersnation... relax, inhale and look at how the Sheldon Souray trade request will impact the team. Souray told Mark Spector he wants out, and you shouldn’t be shocked by Souray’s request.

But why he wants out is the bigger issue.

Here’s what he said to Spector.

"I don’t talk to anyone (in management) and I don’t expect to when I check out of here. I don’t really need to talk to them. There isn’t anything to say.

"Management has soured on me, and I’ve soured on them," he continued. "The fans are great, they’ve accepted me here, I see the jerseys in the stands. I couldn’t have pictured a more opposite vision of what my experience here would be like. What the organization here would be like, overall."

"I feel now that, when I signed here, I probably was as blinded by their great past as (the Oilers) are," Souray said. "People will question me, that they overpaid me … that it was a bad decision to sign me. But I can tell you this: I turned down more money in other places."

"I got challenged by management on the very first day of my first training camp. The very first day," he said. "They said, ‘When are you going to play?’ I said, ‘I have a six month (shoulder) injury and I’m at five months.’ But I played.

"The Oilers always prided themselves in being a family. Whatever happened to that? I haven’t talked to (Tambellini) since mid-January."

Here we are a day after the season ended and the drama of the off-season will only intensify with Souray’s comments.

Steve Tambellini is not the best communicator to guys on his own management team, so I’m not stunned he hasn’t spoken with Souray, however, I doubt one phone call to see how he was doing was going to change Souray’s mind.

Souray was bang on when he said it was a mutual “souring” between him and management. Tambellini would have traded him at the deadline if he didn’t break his hand in a fight with Jarome Iginla.

Souray didn’t see eye-to-eye with Craig MacTavish or Kevin Lowe, but neither of those guys are in the same position when Souray signed.

I appreciate when a player speaks his mind, and Souray was never afraid to answer any question, but what is gained by demanding a trade today?

Souray has a no-movement clause until June 30th, so he controls where he gets dealt despite his public demand. Even once July 1st hits he and his agent still have some say, because they will undoubtedly tell teams where he wants to play. No team will trade for a $5.4 cap-hit player who doesn’t want to be in their organization.

So what was Souray’s motivation?

He wants the world to know he wasn’t treated fairly? That Tambellini didn’t check up on him? Or that the Oilers management team isn’t as professional as the New Jersey Devils or Montreal Canadiens?

The Devils traded him at the deadline in 2000 to Montreal, the year they won their 2nd Stanley Cup. The Habs didn’t re-sign after he scored 26 goals. Why?

I don’t see Souray’s demand as another low point for the organization, because they can’t get lower than 30th. Souray is not Chris Pronger. The Rake led the Oilers to game seven of the Stanley Cup finals, while the Oilers haven’t made the dance once in Souray’s three seasons.

It is clear that Souray was frustrated and annoyed with Tambellini and the Oilers and the last three years have been tough, but it hasn’t been any harder on him than other players and the fans that have loyally doled out thousands of dollars only to watch a below-average product for three years.

While Souray has a right to be annoyed he should look in the mirror and realize that he isn’t completely innocent either.

He was part of a leadership group that missed the playoffs three years running. He was in the room where harmony was questioned. He accuses Tambellini of not being “family oriented” yet the area he could control, the dressing room, was far from harmonious.

Both sides are to blame in this divorce, and I think both sides will be better off without one another moving forward. Now it is up to Tambellini to try and salvage something out of Souray’s tenure in Edmonton.

The most important off-season in Oiler history starts today, and it just got a bit more interesting with Souray’s comments.

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#51 Jmask5
April 12 2010, 10:42AM
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I think Spector is trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Like he just got the biggest scoop of the year. This is not Chris Pronger Part deux. We actually wanted to keep Pronger. At this point I'd care more if Liam Reddox asked for a trade. I mean really who cares about this guy. He sucks and is overpaid. I'm sure management would high five each other the second they trade him.

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#52 BarryS
April 12 2010, 10:42AM
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dragon wrote:

as far as: - 2) No - goes:

no owner is God. with ownership comes responsibility both towards your clients and your employees.

and there are several ways and channels that could get ownership's attention quite quickly.

for the record: i'm not siding with Souray, but the accusations are serious enough that cannot be simply ignored.

All this team needs is a GM who is meddling in the day to day affairs of the team, that's the coaches job. In real life, you seldom ever see the real boss, and even less get to talk to him. Talk about entitlement.

Beside's I thought players had agents so they didn't have to deal with the GM personally?

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RossCreekNation wrote:

Souray (2yrs @ 5.4) for Eric Brewer (1yr @ 4.25) ??

I can't see the Blues moving their captain for Souray.

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#54 Dan the Man
April 12 2010, 10:43AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Reagan:

Remember last summer when Brownlee floated those rumours about Souray wanting to leave town? (He was criticized for those, btw.)

Is it plausible that Souray's been waiting on a trade for a season?

I believe that Souray has wanted out since last summer as Brownlee has suggested and management isn't blameless here but in fairness it's tough to trade a guy who's missed more than half the season with injury.

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#55 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 10:44AM
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@ Dan the Man:

And that's a very fair point. Some of the responsibility here is Souray's, as he was the one who decided to fight.

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#56 6 ring circus
April 12 2010, 10:48AM
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The real question is Souray the only player that feels this way? I would bet that there are a few others on this team, that do not want to be here any longer either,lets hope that the players that do want to play here stay and the ones that do not get sent packing.

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#57 jake
April 12 2010, 10:49AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I understand some backlash towards Souray, but given that Souray praised his teammates, the city and the fans, specifically targetting only management, I have one question for the wave of anti-Souray sentiment:

Do you really want to defend this management group?

This isn't Souray vs. the Oilers. This is Souray vs. the people who have made the Oilers the worst franchise in the NHL.

Praised his teammates, fans and the city. Would he chop up Edmonton (basically his hometown), the fans and his teammates in PUBLIC and expect to be welcomed anywhere else as anything but possible locker room trouble? Not so sure.... (not saying has does indeed have problems with those 3 entities)

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#58 nickxero
April 12 2010, 10:51AM
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We officially have no good captaincy prospects on the team. Sigh. "Jaromir? JAROMIR!?" (And no, Tencer, it shouldn't be Whitney.)

But you know what? I will defend Souray to the end on this one. I'm not a defender of his uninjured play this season... he was a bum out there more often than not. Sure, it's more damaging than not to go public with this... it almost certainly lowers the return, and he almost certainly knows that. A bit of a cheap move, sure. But we must ask: Why?

This is a poorly managed team. Anyone can see that. The amount of overall bad decisions made by this team's office is embarrassing. You have to think that Souray knows that Eberle is coming, that Hall is coming, that the future is brighter than ever before... and he still wants to leave.

This speaks volumes... about something that a lot of us already knew.

But the big issue is THIS:

I don't think he's whining about not getting a text during his injury free-time. It's about them pressuring him to play as he's been close to healthy more than once... to think that a pushy Tambellini could be partly responsible for the injury-prone tenure of Souray is very discouraging going forward.

Then again, does Tambellini man up and just sit him, like they maybe should have with Pronger? Instead of being strongarmed?

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#59 Victor
April 12 2010, 10:52AM
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Souray is one of the most respected players in the league - if he says there is a problem with management I tend to believe him. Some other facts, like players being seemingly cleared to play early (eg. Staios playing after missing one game from a concussion only to make matters worse) seem to support Souray's claims. The question is whether Katz is listening with an open mind and whether or not he has the guts to clean house if he finds that Souray is telling the truth.

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#60 BarryS
April 12 2010, 10:52AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

I just hope the whistle blowing actually leads to some action.

The time for Katz to act is now while the spotlight is on the problem. Show that he deals with issues and makes it better. Fire Tambo, fire Kevin Lowe, trade Souray...move on.

~I bet a Sutter or two might be looking for work in Alberta soon~

Like how everybody comes to the defence of a millionaire player who has hurt feelings. What's Souray got to worry about, he's getting paid 5 mill a year for the next two years, play or not. Boo hoo.

So tell me, in what business have you ever been in where the management gets fired because some employee is unhappy? From the owners point of view the management is doing quite well, thank you, the seats are full, the team junk flys out of their store. People constantly talk about the product so the advertizing budget can be trimmed. And better new employees are on the horizon, to keep the seats full, and the junk flying off the shelves.

So tell me how they failed?

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#61 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 12 2010, 10:53AM
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@nickxero

more than just tencer have been on the whitney for captain train.

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#62 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 10:53AM
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Just for the record: Souray missed two preseason games in 2007 with what was described - by the player - as a tweaked back. I'm looking but so far have found no comments to the media about his shoulder at the time.

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#63 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 10:55AM
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@ BarryS:

I know they're seperate issues, but "tell me how they failed" isn't a good invitation when referring to this management group.

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#64 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 12 2010, 10:55AM
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@BarryS

From the owners point of view the management is doing quite well,

sarcasm?

management has taken a borderline playoff team and ridden it to multiple years of no playoffs, and drove it to a 30th place finish this year.

pretty tough for katz to stand there and talk $$$$$ for a huge new arena when the on ice product is sh*t dont you think?

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#65 BarryS
April 12 2010, 10:56AM
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Victor wrote:

Souray is one of the most respected players in the league - if he says there is a problem with management I tend to believe him. Some other facts, like players being seemingly cleared to play early (eg. Staios playing after missing one game from a concussion only to make matters worse) seem to support Souray's claims. The question is whether Katz is listening with an open mind and whether or not he has the guts to clean house if he finds that Souray is telling the truth.

Don't recall any former team mates in Montreal or New Jersey crying to the media when he was let go. Don't recall their media writing stories about how bad it was either.

Also notice he is not the player rep with the union, so much for this respect he has.

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#66 Dan the Man
April 12 2010, 10:56AM
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Victor wrote:

Souray is one of the most respected players in the league - if he says there is a problem with management I tend to believe him. Some other facts, like players being seemingly cleared to play early (eg. Staios playing after missing one game from a concussion only to make matters worse) seem to support Souray's claims. The question is whether Katz is listening with an open mind and whether or not he has the guts to clean house if he finds that Souray is telling the truth.

I was just thinking of the Staios thing as well. It seemed to me at the time that the only reason he played was because they were short d-men.

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#67 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 10:57AM
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And here's a comment on the shoulder. From February 2008:

"Having previous injuries didn't really have anything to do with it, but the re-hab lenth, I think, did," Souray said. "Coming back to play probably a little bit sooner than I should have, injuring it again — a different injury but still the same shoulder … Without getting too specific there are probably three or four things that were wrong in there."

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#68 Victor
April 12 2010, 10:57AM
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@Jonathan Willis

I've heard time and time again that Souray's injury problems in his first year with the Oilers were due to him coming back too soon from an injury he suffered in Montreal the year before.

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#69 BarryS
April 12 2010, 10:58AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:
From the owners point of view the management is doing quite well,

sarcasm?

management has taken a borderline playoff team and ridden it to multiple years of no playoffs, and drove it to a 30th place finish this year.

pretty tough for katz to stand there and talk $$$$$ for a huge new arena when the on ice product is sh*t dont you think?

Let's see. Toronto's full. Montreal's full. New York is full. Vancouver is full. Calgary's full. None of them has won anything lately, so your point about fill a building with a bad team is?

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#70 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 12 2010, 10:59AM
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BarryS wrote:

Let's see. Toronto's full. Montreal's full. New York is full. Vancouver is full. Calgary's full. None of them has won anything lately, so your point about fill a building with a bad team is?

are you serious?

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#71 Dodd
April 12 2010, 10:59AM
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Good. The more upset vets wanting out the better. It's pretty obvious that the vets control the culture in the dressing room and on the ice - everything from where to sit on the plane to who picks up the pucks at practice.

Out. All of you.

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#72 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 10:59AM
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#73 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 11:00AM
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@ BarryS:

Did you seriously just describe Vancouver as "a bad team"?

Edit to add: And in terms of teams that "haven't won anything lately," that describes everyone other than Pittsburgh and Detroit, doesn't it?

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#74 dragon
April 12 2010, 11:01AM
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BarryS wrote:

Like how everybody comes to the defence of a millionaire player who has hurt feelings. What's Souray got to worry about, he's getting paid 5 mill a year for the next two years, play or not. Boo hoo.

So tell me, in what business have you ever been in where the management gets fired because some employee is unhappy? From the owners point of view the management is doing quite well, thank you, the seats are full, the team junk flys out of their store. People constantly talk about the product so the advertizing budget can be trimmed. And better new employees are on the horizon, to keep the seats full, and the junk flying off the shelves.

So tell me how they failed?

30th in the league

horrendous play

highest number of surgeries required in a season

no roster improvement all summer long

according to some sources 'toxic locker room'

???? shouldn't the results be enough to fire management ????

look no further then Tampa. And wait and see for flames as well...

??? where the @#$# did all the talk about 'being a contender' go ????

do you honestly believe this management team is able to take the Oilers back to game 7?

*** they should have given Rollie a contract for that playoff run alone (as oppose to Horc) ****

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#75 Victor
April 12 2010, 11:01AM
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@BarryS

Souray is respected as person of integrity. And the fact that he isn't a shop steward doesn't mean anything.

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#76 Ender
April 12 2010, 11:03AM
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RossCreek wrote:

Souray (2yrs @ 5.4) for Eric Brewer (1yr @ 4.25) ??

Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

I can't see the Blues moving their captain for Souray.

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote that I thought Brewer might be a good candidate for the Oilers captaincy. Original Ogden Brother said something that made me check his plus/minus. I was horrified. Now I'm not so worried that we couldn't get the Blues to give Brewer up as I am worried that the Blues would do this deal in a heartbeat leaving us even worse off. RossCreek, whose side are you on here?!!

(Oh yeah, I remember now. Cunning, you devil you . . .)

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#77 Archaeologuy
April 12 2010, 11:03AM
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BarryS wrote:

Like how everybody comes to the defence of a millionaire player who has hurt feelings. What's Souray got to worry about, he's getting paid 5 mill a year for the next two years, play or not. Boo hoo.

So tell me, in what business have you ever been in where the management gets fired because some employee is unhappy? From the owners point of view the management is doing quite well, thank you, the seats are full, the team junk flys out of their store. People constantly talk about the product so the advertizing budget can be trimmed. And better new employees are on the horizon, to keep the seats full, and the junk flying off the shelves.

So tell me how they failed?

You're kidding right? Lots of people in management get in serious trouble when they are purposefully endangering and harassing their employees. There are safety codes and unions for a reason, it's to protect employees from being abused in cases like this.

I get the anger towards people who make lots of money in some respects, but youre talking about people's health and safety.

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#78 BarryS
April 12 2010, 11:05AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ BarryS:

I know they're seperate issues, but "tell me how they failed" isn't a good invitation when referring to this management group.

That's because you look at it as a fan.

As a business, they're doing quite good, actually. The players make good wages, mostly for easy work, seeing as how few go into the corners or in front of the net, either one. The team makes money selling nothing, like say selling bread or cars. As for it being bad entertainment, how many bad movies make gazillions of bucks and folks go to sequal after sequal.

Beside, if they ever do good, this site and the sports stations will die the slow death if they only can report wins and happy players.

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#79 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 11:05AM
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Also of interest from the Montreal Gazette:

Had he wished to remain with the Canadiens, there was very little difference between the $27 million he's receiving for five years with the Oilers and the reported $22 million he was offered on a four-year deal by Bob Gainey. Souray chose to move. Time will tell if he made the right decision.

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#80 Jmask5
April 12 2010, 11:06AM
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The Dressing room is nowhere near as bad as people think. Guys like Lubo, Cole, Whitney, Johnson have all said great things about the guys in the room. But when you are losing people want to pinpoint something. I honestly think the dressing room was worse in 2006 during the cup run. But they were winning so no one said anything.

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#81 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 11:09AM
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@ BarryS:

There's a correlation between team success and the money a team makes. As a business, they aren't doing so well in a lot of areas - for instance, why do you suppose they broadcast games for free and had a high number of PPV's this year? It was because they couldn't find a buyer for those games.

Ticket sales are holding steady, for now. That won't continue if they can't fix the on-ice product.

Like it or not, this team has already started suffering financially from their poor on-ice performance. It's going to continue to impact their bottom line, and possibly their ability to get a free arena from the City of Edmonton too.

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#82 Twiggs
April 12 2010, 11:09AM
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HA, I just realized that the caps had more wins at home than the Oilers total win count for the entire season. Sweet.

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#83 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 11:10AM
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@ JMask5:

Do you have anything to back that up, or are you speculating?

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#84 I'm a Scientist!
April 12 2010, 11:11AM
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BarryS wrote:

That's because you look at it as a fan.

As a business, they're doing quite good, actually. The players make good wages, mostly for easy work, seeing as how few go into the corners or in front of the net, either one. The team makes money selling nothing, like say selling bread or cars. As for it being bad entertainment, how many bad movies make gazillions of bucks and folks go to sequal after sequal.

Beside, if they ever do good, this site and the sports stations will die the slow death if they only can report wins and happy players.

Since when does the President of HOCKEY Operations care if somebody buys an Oilers dog leash? The product that Lowe and Tambo care about is the product on the ice... not the junk on the shelves.

Correct me if i am wrong, but haven't the last few home games NOT been sold out? Haven't people been complaining that the games are boring to watch?

Management = MASSIVE FAIL.

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#85 Lisa McRitchie
April 12 2010, 11:11AM
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Its still another all star player demanding a trade, no matter what the underlying issues are. I thought having an owner like Katz was supposed to stop this from happening? I thought that we were trying to make Edmonton a place that is friendly to players and their families.

I loved that Souray at least indicated that we, the fans, were tollerable, or even fine to be around.

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#86 Wanye
April 12 2010, 11:14AM
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Well this is just a fantastic way to start a Monday.

Let's see:

1. I hate Mark Spector. He is a self indulgent nerd that has taken great joy in shredding the hopes of Oilers fans since I was L'il Wanye having his heart broken by the likes of Boris Mironov.

2. Contrary to what Gregor says in what is probably his best article written on this site in a long time, this is another blow for the team. Perception is 99% of the matter with NHL players.

3. I immediately regret my "BIG SEXY 4 LYFE" plus an Oilers Logo tattooed on my back. We will have to start calling Theo Peckham Big Sexy now.

At least Souray has the balls to call out the team brass and not slink off into the night thereby calling the City into question again.

MONDAY=RUINED

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#87 BarryS
April 12 2010, 11:15AM
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@Archaeologuy

The tradition in hockey is to play hurt. That's in the job discription. If Souray didn't want to play hurt, all he had to do was say something, of course the rest of the players in the league would laugh him right out of it.

Lets see, Bob Bonn played with a broken leg, Hemsky and Horcoff played with seperated shoulders, Lowe played with broken ribs, no doubt come playoffs we will hear of several players playing with similar injuries and for free.

Talking about hypcracy, the fans call out players who don't play unless they see the cast. No cast and they write in about someone being soft and faking injury when the going gets tough.

If health and safety was the issue, there'd be no hitting, or fighting in the game and they would use sponge pucks and rubber sticks.

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#88 smiliegirl15
April 12 2010, 11:17AM
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If you need a refresher as to how "well" Tambellini, Lowe, et al. are doing... check out the article Jonathon wrote on January 29th.

Apparently The Detroit Model Doesn't Work Jonathan Willis January 29 2010 12:01PM

http://oilersnation.com/2010/1/29/apparently-the-detroit-model-doesnt-work

I don't know how to put in the fancy links so please forgive me.

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#89 Crooked
April 12 2010, 11:18AM
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No big surprise he's demanding a trade out of town, considering he all but said he wanted to be gone before the trade deadline. Hell, judging by the comments he made to end last year it sounded like he wanted to be gone quite a while ago.

Blasting management on the way out sounds more like he's butthurt that they didn't massage his ego more, but whatever. He was going to get moved this summer regardless.

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#90 RossCreekNation
April 12 2010, 11:18AM
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Ender wrote:

RossCreek wrote:

Souray (2yrs @ 5.4) for Eric Brewer (1yr @ 4.25) ??

Ogden Brother Jr. wrote:

I can't see the Blues moving their captain for Souray.

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote that I thought Brewer might be a good candidate for the Oilers captaincy. Original Ogden Brother said something that made me check his plus/minus. I was horrified. Now I'm not so worried that we couldn't get the Blues to give Brewer up as I am worried that the Blues would do this deal in a heartbeat leaving us even worse off. RossCreek, whose side are you on here?!!

(Oh yeah, I remember now. Cunning, you devil you . . .)

*teehee*

Seriously though, I wouldn't be looking to add Eric Brewer to my team (not really a fan), but that suggestion was meant as the type of trade I expect to make. Souray's value was low and just plummeted. Your basically looking for a dance partner that has another bad contract they'd like to dump. If you can trade a problem with 2 years left for a problem with 1 year left, you do it. Especially since the new problem a) wouldn't necessarily be a problem here, and b) would be playing in a 'contract year'. It may not be Eric Brewer, but I suspect the return will resemble that type of deal.

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#91 BUCK75
April 12 2010, 11:18AM
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@I'm a Scientist!

Empty seats here still count as sold seats. Something like 15k season ticket holders & the balance being single game seats.

2 hits to Katz today new rules coming in on generic prescription drugs in Ontario & the Souray story.

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#92 Wanye
April 12 2010, 11:18AM
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"But you talk about Prongs (Chris Pronger) and guys like that, and it should raise an eyebrow when players who leave town are skipping out with a smile on their face."

I have half a mind to think that Kevin Lowe needs to go and Tambellini needs to follow. This is the most damning quote I have probably ever read about the Oilers.

At least we know that the potholes aren't to blame for people signing here.

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#93 BarryS
April 12 2010, 11:22AM
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@I'm a Scientist!

All them dog leashes is where the profit is. The product on the ice is just so the fans will buy the logo junk, i.e. pay a couple hundred bucks for a jersy for the opportunity to give free advertizing to the team. When I can buy new team jersey's at value village for five bucks, then the team is in trouble.

As for complaining, haven't heard any rumours tickets are not being renewed in unacceptable numbers. Only hear people who don't buy tickets complain. I complained to when I couldn't afford tickets anymore after 20+ years, and used the same excuses people use here when they say they're giving up their tickets.

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#94 madjam
April 12 2010, 11:23AM
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BarryS wrote:

Like how everybody comes to the defence of a millionaire player who has hurt feelings. What's Souray got to worry about, he's getting paid 5 mill a year for the next two years, play or not. Boo hoo.

So tell me, in what business have you ever been in where the management gets fired because some employee is unhappy? From the owners point of view the management is doing quite well, thank you, the seats are full, the team junk flys out of their store. People constantly talk about the product so the advertizing budget can be trimmed. And better new employees are on the horizon, to keep the seats full, and the junk flying off the shelves.

So tell me how they failed?

I doubt you have ever been in a union setting by your comments . Several times i have witnessed many management get chastized , disaplined and fired over an unhappy and grieving employees grievances against management for more reasons than you could possibly imagine . I've seen it several times as well outside a union setting as well over the years . I praise and respect Souray for airing our dirty laundry , now maybe we might see some light and real optimism evolve !Souray has handled it very well , and it's too bad Pronger didn't air it when he wanted out . I think some of you are missing things by expecting Katz to do something about it . He might have been spared Sourays outburst , but is he not part of accountability to team and fans as well ? I go back to an earlier blog i wrote about questioning the entire organization including owner about the possibilty of them throwing this entire season down the toilet on purpose . Considering nothing seems apparantly been done to remove anyone from coaching or management , maybe my so called stupid and wild idea has a lot more validity than one cares to admit .

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#95 Jonathan Willis
April 12 2010, 11:24AM
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@ BarryS:

So, no comment on the disinterest of TV networks in the Oilers' product?

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#96 I'm a Scientist!
April 12 2010, 11:24AM
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Empty seats here still count as sold seats. Something like 15k season ticket holders & the balance being single game seats.

2 hits to Katz today new rules coming in on generic prescription drugs in Ontario & the Souray story.

True, but how many Molson's half price singles do you think were sold?

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#97 Archaeologuy
April 12 2010, 11:25AM
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The tradition in hockey is to play hurt. That's in the job discription. If Souray didn't want to play hurt, all he had to do was say something, of course the rest of the players in the league would laugh him right out of it.

Lets see, Bob Bonn played with a broken leg, Hemsky and Horcoff played with seperated shoulders, Lowe played with broken ribs, no doubt come playoffs we will hear of several players playing with similar injuries and for free.

Talking about hypcracy, the fans call out players who don't play unless they see the cast. No cast and they write in about someone being soft and faking injury when the going gets tough.

If health and safety was the issue, there'd be no hitting, or fighting in the game and they would use sponge pucks and rubber sticks.

Now you're just being an idiot. Are you f*cking serious? You just listed 2 of 3 players who played injured and had their seasons this year ended prematurely for their troubles. The other, Horcoff, became a useless shell of a player for half the season with his shoulder troubles. We arent talking about bruises and sprains, you listed 3 players that required surgery in the last 3 years. Pull your head out of your a$$.

We arent talking about the playoffs. We're talking about a team that was eliminated from the playoffs before Christmas.

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#98 Petr's Jofa
April 12 2010, 11:25AM
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Strudwick for Masterson? Edmonton didn't have anyone better? I would have thought Pisani's return and Penner's bounce back seasons were better than 7th D-man struggling to stay in the league so he can collect his $700,000 payday.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Strudwick+Oilers+Masterston+nominee/2790541/story.html

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#99 BarryS
April 12 2010, 11:32AM
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@madjam

Actually I have and the union management was just as bad as the employers, only they couldn't get fired. Wearing expensive suits to the meetings, costing the members more money than they'll ever get back and then caving in for a buck an hour instead of dealing with the real issues. And the only employees they stand up for are serious union supporters. Unions are just another level of management between the employee and the paycheck.

Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it.

Good to see you're a good union man, hope your union enqable you to make 5 mill a year playing kids games.

Souray is just another whiner in a long line of whiners trying to justify hurt feelings while also trying to insure the fans won't boo him when he comes back in another jersey. As others have said, he's part of the problem with this team, not part of the solution.

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#100 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 12 2010, 11:33AM
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*teehee*

Seriously though, I wouldn't be looking to add Eric Brewer to my team (not really a fan), but that suggestion was meant as the type of trade I expect to make. Souray's value was low and just plummeted. Your basically looking for a dance partner that has another bad contract they'd like to dump. If you can trade a problem with 2 years left for a problem with 1 year left, you do it. Especially since the new problem a) wouldn't necessarily be a problem here, and b) would be playing in a 'contract year'. It may not be Eric Brewer, but I suspect the return will resemble that type of deal.

Ya that's the kind of trade I'd be looking for to. Some other guys I think are plausible that I'd be happy to see Souray moved for:

Hainsy/Legwand/Hannan/Brewer/Liles/Handzus/Commodore/Jackman/Sarich/Oduya/Bryan Allen/Pahlson/Chris Clark/Kobasew

Baiscally if we can get 2/3 of younger/cheaper/less injury prone I'd call us a winner.

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