FINALLY SOME LEADERSHIP

Wanye
April 13 2010 02:07AM

We were in the midst of peppering Gregor and Brownlee's articles with commentary about Sheldon Souray demanding a trade when we remembered that we could actually write an article of our own and force everyone to listen to our opinion too. We gave 'er a day to calm down, but calm down we have NOT.

Although we generally agree with most everything Brownlee and Gregor have to say, we dispute with the idea that Souray has done the team a disservice by opening his mouth about his disdain for Oilers management. The timing wasn't great we will grant you that, but it pulls back the curtain and reveals the Wizard for all to see.

BEHOLD

One of the things that has pissed us off the most this season was the complete lack of accountability on the part of Players, Coaches and the 7,382 Managers of the team. The arrogance displayed by virtually every single member of this organization has been hilariously disconnected with the performance on the ice. Contenders for the Cup are entitled to a certain level of arrogant swagger.

30th place Crap Squads? Not so much.

With the exception of Ryan Whitney - who has been awesomely honest in the papers and on the air - the Oilers have to a man remained silent all season and have been content to give the usual platitudes as to why things are going poorly.

Finally someone has had the stones to shed light on an area many here on the Nation have long suspected and secretly hoped has been the case - players don't like it here in Edmonton in large part because of team management.

Ahhhhh.

Not because of the pot holes in our roads, not because of the Northernly weather patterns or the lack of night life. Instead it is the people running the team and their attitudes towards the players, which seems to eerily echo their attitude towards the rest of us fans. 

LET'S REWIND

For years now we Oilers fans have been subjected to numerous slights and insults from the other 29 Cities in the League. First CFP left town in a hail storm of rumour and innuendo. Then Hossa spurned us, then Heatley. Jagr burned us too somewhere in there, as did Bouwmeester and countless other free agents that have told Edmonton to eff off behind closed doors.

All the while media types have been quick to suggest that the reason players didn't want to sign here had more to do with things we could not control. Weather, quality of living in the City, ugly ass buildings and uglier citizens. Every insult imaginable was hurled in our direction and resulted in a dark cloud of emotion unfairly hanging over our City since 2006.

Thanks to Sheldon Souray, plans to pick up and move the entire City of Edmonton 500 miles in a warmer direction can be put on hold.  The problem instead is actually quite solveable: get new people to run this squadron.

"You talk about Prongs (Chris Pronger) and guys like that, and it should raise an eyebrow when players who leave town are skipping out with a smile on their face."

Our eyebrow is so raised it popped clean off our head and ran down the street. We hear you loud and clear Big Sexy.

You have to wonder how many players (both here and long since gone) have echoed these sentiments behind closed doors but lacked the nuts to say it aloud, letting the City of Edmonton take the brunt of the blame for the reason why players seek to ply their trade elsewhere.

PRIMA DONNA BS?

The counterpoint to all of this of course is the idea that it is Souray that is the problem and not Tambellini, not Kevin Lowe and not anyone else associated with the team.

This is certainly possible and we wouldn't put it past Souray to be embellishing the issues he has had with the team as part of a larger "get me the hell out of here" type strategy. Some of the other quotes in the article make no sense, at least if you have been paying attention for the past year or two.

QUOTE 1: I WAS OFFERED MORE MONEY ELSEWHERE

"People will question me, that they overpaid me … that it was a bad decision to sign me. But I can tell you this: I turned down more money in other places" Souray was quoted as saying. 

Er, wasn't the story going around that the Oilers came out of nowhere to offer him substantially more money than any other team in the running? Didn't the Oil open up the same vault that they have creaked open from time to time with disastrious results with the likes of Horcoff, Khabibulin et al?

QUOTE 2: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYONE

"The Oilers always prided themselves in being a family. Whatever happened to that? I haven’t talked to (Tambellini) since mid-January."

Er, didn't Souray give the Oilers a list of teams he wanted to go to just prior to the trade deadline? How do you provide a list of teams without speaking to anyone directly? This is shady too, but perhaps one can do all of one's talking via an agent. We don't have an agent, so we don't know.

If we DID have an agent we would be all "what the business Agent? How come you ain't got me no deodorant endorsements? You know I gots them pheremones people wanna emulate!"

AT LEAST KAY-Z NOW KNOWS THE SCORE

 

Much has been said about Daryl Katz's ownership and management style of the team. An admittedly non massive hockey fan, Katz has been content to rule the team from afar, staying out of day to day matters and making the occasional comment or interview to Stauffer.

As is the case with most power ballers,  Katz gets the bulk of his performance reporting on the company from a handful of his top level executives and in the instance of the Oilers, Katz gets all his information from Lowe. It's easy to see how Katz could be led down the proverbial primrose path by eventual Hockey Hall of Famer Lowe and Company.

"Things are working their way through Daryl," they would nervously explain. "We have had some ill timed injuries and some players depart. But once we get through the draft and start winning again people will sign. Don't you worry."

With the revelations courtesy of Big Sexy, a new problem has been brought to the surface. Management seems to be the issue here in Edmonton and now this is all out in the open.

For a guy like Katz, he really just wants to ice a winner and finally receive some good PR for paying close to thrice what this team was actually worth. Comments like these by Souray won't lead to the immediate dismissal of anyone, but it certainly provides some weighty insight as to what is wrong with this team. 

FINAL TEETH GNASHING

Is Souray right or wrong? Is he part of the solution to righting this Titanician hockey team? Or instead is the best looking Oiler since Igor Ulanov part of the very same problem that has led to the considerable decline of the quality of Ice Hockey around these parts?

When #44 looks in the mirror this morning is he gazing longingly at his sexy good looks - content to look out for number one - or is he staring smack dab into the tender eyes of the man who has blown the lid off the real problem with the Oilers?

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#151 Bucknuck
April 13 2010, 03:01PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I'm fine with them being on the club in a 3rd line role and on the same line. As soon as the team starts to pretend that either belongs in a different role or on a different line I want them gone.

I agree if they play like they did this year. If Horcoff plays like he did in '06 or '08 then he can be on any line he wants. It's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

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#152 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 03:05PM
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@smiliegirl15

He also leads the league in taking dumb offensive zone penalties, throwing teammates under the bus and making excuses. I think the gritty guy you are talking about last played in 2006.

I'm all for role players on a team. Everyone needs them. At this stage of his career and for what he brings to the table he is one of the last guys that I want in that room (the last being 44).

Get to the lottery already damnit. SEGUIN!!!

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#153 dragon
April 13 2010, 03:26PM
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~ yeah, Horc for captain, he's a great company man! ~

now, if playing injured was not a problem for him, what was his problem?

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#154 Skidplate
April 13 2010, 03:28PM
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dragon wrote:

~ yeah, Horc for captain, he's a great company man! ~

now, if playing injured was not a problem for him, what was his problem?

that he was injured

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#155 dragon
April 13 2010, 03:30PM
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Skidplate wrote:

that he was injured

yeah, the only problem is, during his interview today he said 'playing injured was not a problem for me' (as opposed to others like sissy-Souray, I suppose)

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#156 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 13 2010, 03:33PM
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Twiggs wrote:

I'm pretty sure that Moreau isn't the type of vetran we want to be teaching next year's rookies .

didnt moreau recently win an NHL award for leadership?

~yah, why would we want that type of guy teaching the rookies~

i agree 110% with anyone that says moreau was brutal this year. And, some of his comments were probably not what you want to hear from a captain. But seriously, none of us are around the team or in the room, we have little/no idea how moreau actually interacts with the team in a leadership role.

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#157 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 03:35PM
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@dragon

~I think Horc should have gone on the record with Gregor saying that him playing was the cause of all of his problems. Maybe he should have said the MGMT made him play too....~

Seriously - after all of the positive news the last 24 hours about a defenceman who is crying about injuries?!?!?!

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#158 Tomm
April 13 2010, 03:51PM
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Ok, now that the Souray issue has been beaten to death...what about Horcoff? Don't even start with the 12points in last 14 games BS, 7 million for a third line checker??? Its time to revisit the contract and move the decimal to the left. Either that or have him pick up his check in front of the unemployed at Canada Place. He didn't deserve the contract KLowe gave him and hasn't answered the bell since the ink dried. Character guys cost less than a million...move him...somehow, or teach him to drive the Zamboni.

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#159 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 03:56PM
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@Tomm

Speaking of beating something to death - who care how much money, the number that matters is 5.5 on the books!

*facepalm*

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#160 Tomm
April 13 2010, 03:58PM
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@Buck75, ok my mistake...like 5.5 is easier to swallow.

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#161 Ender
April 13 2010, 03:59PM
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Tomm wrote:

Ok, now that the Souray issue has been beaten to death...what about Horcoff? Don't even start with the 12points in last 14 games BS, 7 million for a third line checker??? Its time to revisit the contract and move the decimal to the left. Either that or have him pick up his check in front of the unemployed at Canada Place. He didn't deserve the contract KLowe gave him and hasn't answered the bell since the ink dried. Character guys cost less than a million...move him...somehow, or teach him to drive the Zamboni.

Lawyers that write contracts frown on moving decimals midstream. And if you're paying someone $5.5M to drive the Zamboni, well . . . can I come work for you?

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#162 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 13 2010, 04:03PM
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@Tomm

He didn't deserve the contract KLowe gave him

is that really horcoffs fault? do you expect him to say "wow, im really not worth that, i cant take that"????

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#163 Twiggs
April 13 2010, 04:03PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

didnt moreau recently win an NHL award for leadership?

~yah, why would we want that type of guy teaching the rookies~

i agree 110% with anyone that says moreau was brutal this year. And, some of his comments were probably not what you want to hear from a captain. But seriously, none of us are around the team or in the room, we have little/no idea how moreau actually interacts with the team in a leadership role.

Yeah leadership in the community, which is important but you need more than that to be a captain of an NHL team. He may be great in the dressing room and you are right, as fans we have next to no idea what the situation is in there. Unfortunately Moreau has been playing brutal (not only this year) and rookies don't need to be learning from a vetran who drags ass and consistantly takes brutal penalties which hurt the team. There so many qualities that a captain needs that Moreau just doesn't have. Winning a leadership award on its own doesn't make a strong enough case for his continued captaincy.

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#164 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 04:04PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

didnt moreau recently win an NHL award for leadership?

~yah, why would we want that type of guy teaching the rookies~

i agree 110% with anyone that says moreau was brutal this year. And, some of his comments were probably not what you want to hear from a captain. But seriously, none of us are around the team or in the room, we have little/no idea how moreau actually interacts with the team in a leadership role.

It says "on and off ice leadership" but then goes on ad nauseum about the charitable stuff he does which I don't see being a huge impact on the team.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=430927

I'm not saying that Moreau isn't a good guy in the community and that he hasn't been great for this team in the past. he isn't the guy they need now nor will he be next year.

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#165 The Real Scuba Steve
April 13 2010, 04:04PM
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Why is it that all of the big name players who left or didn't come to Edmonton all sound like today's Souray interview? We need new management.

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#166 Ender
April 13 2010, 04:07PM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

Why is it that all of the big name players who left or didn't come to Edmonton all sound like today's Souray interview? We need new management.

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#167 Twiggs
April 13 2010, 04:07PM
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@rubbertrout

Agreed 100%

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#168 Archaeologuy
April 13 2010, 04:11PM
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@Ender

Well played...Well played.

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#169 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 04:14PM
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@Ender

Props to you!

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#170 RossCreekNation
April 13 2010, 04:17PM
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Herbal Magic now, eh...

Oh... and props Ender

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#171 Bucknuck
April 13 2010, 04:26PM
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Tomm wrote:

Ok, now that the Souray issue has been beaten to death...what about Horcoff? Don't even start with the 12points in last 14 games BS, 7 million for a third line checker??? Its time to revisit the contract and move the decimal to the left. Either that or have him pick up his check in front of the unemployed at Canada Place. He didn't deserve the contract KLowe gave him and hasn't answered the bell since the ink dried. Character guys cost less than a million...move him...somehow, or teach him to drive the Zamboni.

"don't even start with the 12 points in 14 games BS"

Ummm... Why not? I suppose the 73 points in '06 and the PPG pace set in '08 are off limits as well?

If he turns back into THAT guy, then I want him on my team. Yeah OK he's overpaid, but by the time we need that cap space (to resign Hall or Seguin, MPS and Eberle) then the deal will be over so who cares now anyways.

Oh - and now that his first year of the contract is over you can quit throwing around the seven million he was paid as he won't be paid that next season, or the seasons after that.

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#172 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2010, 04:31PM
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Harlie wrote:

but I thought you didn't care who was Captain? And what point exactly are you trying to make? Are you siding with management and a Souray hater now cuz of his remarks? If so, that make you a bandwagon jumper of the worst kind. Like it or not I called for Souray to be the Captain and I've always hated Moreau being our Captain. I've never changed my opinion despite other's agreeing or not agreeing with me. You like looking in the rear view and changing your points or shaping your arguments accordingly. Pretty lame if you ask me.

What on earth are you talking about?

I never changed my opinion, I've thought since day one that the people calling for Souray to be captain would regret their choice if they got their wish. I'm not looking in the rear view at all.

Look, the masses (which you obviously were one of) that have been crying for Souray to be captain for the last year ended up with egg on their face, that was my point from the begining.

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#173 corsby87
April 13 2010, 04:35PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

I can't even believe I'm even thinking this but what about Pierre McGuire???

Pierre for what? GM? He doesnt even know the Oilers. He couldnt even take Joey Moss' position

Ya for G.M...Kevin Lowe has been here for how long now? You think he "Knows" the Oilers? Who cares if he knows the Oilers, he knows the leauge...he seems good at picking out young talent and for some reason hockey people seem to like him. Can we say the same about Lowe?? I think not...and that has been proven over and over again. At this point almost anyone seems like a better option then the "management" we have in place right now.

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#174 Oilitsinyoutogive
April 13 2010, 04:43PM
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I guess what i would like to see is for the oilers to clean house with management and Souray, at least then if we keep loosing we would know management is not the problem right? Also i cant think of a good legit reason K lowe or Tambo should keep their jobs, at least not from this fans point of view. On to Souray, once someone wants out, you gain nothing in value and you gain nothing in effort. Trading him should be the first order of business for a new Management team.

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#175 Woogie
April 13 2010, 04:43PM
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I just wanted to write something....

that is all.

Thank you for reading.

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#176 Skidplate
April 13 2010, 04:47PM
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@Ender

Good work Ender. Props as well.

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#177 David S
April 13 2010, 04:48PM
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Ender - Continually raising the bar for responses to idiotic posts.

Your universal facepalm gambit was well played sir. The poster has been weighed, measured and found wanting.

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#178 jeanshorts
April 13 2010, 04:49PM
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Isn't there some kind of something tonight where by GM's play powerball or something and it helps determine something pretty huge?

Oh, sorry, I guess that is WAY off topic.

Souray something something, management something something, a-hole something something.

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#179 Eddie Shore
April 13 2010, 04:51PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

"don't even start with the 12 points in 14 games BS"

Ummm... Why not? I suppose the 73 points in '06 and the PPG pace set in '08 are off limits as well?

If he turns back into THAT guy, then I want him on my team. Yeah OK he's overpaid, but by the time we need that cap space (to resign Hall or Seguin, MPS and Eberle) then the deal will be over so who cares now anyways.

Oh - and now that his first year of the contract is over you can quit throwing around the seven million he was paid as he won't be paid that next season, or the seasons after that.

There are more signs showing that he won't turn back into that player than signs showing that he will.

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#180 David S
April 13 2010, 05:00PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

Isn't there some kind of something tonight where by GM's play powerball or something and it helps determine something pretty huge?

Oh, sorry, I guess that is WAY off topic.

Souray something something, management something something, a-hole something something.

First or second. Who cares? We win either way.

Now back to important stuff like Souray needing to suck a fat co...

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#181 Eddie Shore
April 13 2010, 05:01PM
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*I've got my case of beer. When does bingo start again?*

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#182 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 05:52PM
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David S wrote:

First or second. Who cares? We win either way.

Now back to important stuff like Souray needing to suck a fat co...

That's the other website Davey. Mom reads these ones.

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#183 BarryS
April 13 2010, 05:58PM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

Why is it that all of the big name players who left or didn't come to Edmonton all sound like today's Souray interview? We need new management.

What we need is to stay away from free agents. Hired guns are by definition not to be depended on since their loyality is to the $ not the team.

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#184 Biowolf
April 13 2010, 06:34PM
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Souray vs Oilers management. Why cant these guys fight it out in an other location. What a treat that would be.

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#185 Slenster
April 13 2010, 07:20PM
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About management/ownership: I've worked for some pretty silly people in my life and you know what, jut like Pat Quinn said, I didn't want to be there so I got the hell out! I didn't make a big stink, or cause a fuss I left. Souray may be right he may be wrong, who cares!? Shut up and leave like the big boy you are! Pronger left quietly but did so professionally. A personal issue/problem that the so called lame management in E-Town knew about all year handled equally Professionally as well for Pronger. Souray needs to talk with his bosses quietly and handle this professionally. He didn't and now as another GM I'd be leary of bringing him to my dressing room!

Oh and owners can be goofy, look at George Stienbrenner with the New York Yankees, Yeah pretty wild.... Have they ever been successful?

As for leadership, Pat Quinn said he has never been part of such a quiet dressing room. That must have been due to Souray being injured so much... So my question is, Do we need a rally guy(s) or a bunch of follow my example guy(s)? I think we according to Pat's comments, have the latter. I guess that's why we ended up worst in the league, the non leaders followed the leaders in that they all had their worst years. Captain Moreau- Horrible year, like him in the last month or so, and gee the team seemed a little better.

Staios - Assitant, gone now, thank all that is holy, but man has been going down hill the last few years.

Souray - Assistant Tough as nails, but hey like nails you apply heat and pressure and the snap! Yes three tough years have taken it's toll on 44.

Horcoff - Assitant who has picked it up, claims a change in his training buggered him up this year. He switched back at the olympic break and seems to be back on track! Cross your fingers it lasts. Team seems to follow this trend.

Pisani- Assistant, Battles health issues courageously, and with Captain Moreau and Horcoff seems to be rebounding. Team seems to follow this rebound as well. (Hmmmmmm)

Penner - Assistant. Who da thunk it? NO ONE. Penner an Assitant? WTF. I seriously have him on the tops of my list as fav Oiler. What a year. Sagged in the middle and so did the team! Resurged and so did the team! I am very excited to see him look to have the puck on his stick more often next year!

Hemsky - Assistant, Hurt and done for the season, no real shock that the team followed him. What would his and Penner's numbers have been for the year if they'd played all year together?

So In conclusion, I probably missed a few of the other assistants this year but I think the trend shows. Those who lead by example the team follows. But I also think 1 or 2 rah rah guys may help too. So who fills that rah rah void? Hall? Seguin? Eberle? MPS? Jagr?

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#186 Jodes
April 13 2010, 09:11PM
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*I've got my case of beer. When does bingo start again?*

Early bird starts at 6:30.. Don't forget the $250,000 Super Satellite Bingo comin up on da 23rd..

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#187 Harlie
April 14 2010, 09:05AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

What on earth are you talking about?

I never changed my opinion, I've thought since day one that the people calling for Souray to be captain would regret their choice if they got their wish. I'm not looking in the rear view at all.

Look, the masses (which you obviously were one of) that have been crying for Souray to be captain for the last year ended up with egg on their face, that was my point from the begining.

no egg on my face as I still think that Souray was the best on ice leader we had when he was in the lineup.

I like that he spoke up about management. It's been a turnstile of players being cycled through here and they all sucked for one reason or another when they played here only to play better when they left. Lupul, Cole, Pitkanen etc etc. Lead me to think that the grass wasn't greener over here just because of the Coaching.

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#188 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2010, 10:26AM
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Harlie wrote:

no egg on my face as I still think that Souray was the best on ice leader we had when he was in the lineup.

I like that he spoke up about management. It's been a turnstile of players being cycled through here and they all sucked for one reason or another when they played here only to play better when they left. Lupul, Cole, Pitkanen etc etc. Lead me to think that the grass wasn't greener over here just because of the Coaching.

Yes egg on your face, naming a guy captain to watch him play 30 uninspired games and then demand a trade would have been ridiculous.

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#189 Harlie
April 14 2010, 10:49AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Yes egg on your face, naming a guy captain to watch him play 30 uninspired games and then demand a trade would have been ridiculous.

i'd hardly call Souray's play un-inspired. If you were referring to POS then I would agree with you.

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April 14 2010, 10:56AM
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Harlie wrote:

i'd hardly call Souray's play un-inspired. If you were referring to POS then I would agree with you.

That portion is obviously just my opinion, but to me it really stuck out during the 3/4 times I seen him live this year. Always slow on the line changes, lack of hustle and a sulking look on his face.

Either way though, the drama from the last few days would have been hieghtend if he was named captain this past summer.

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#191 Harlie
April 14 2010, 11:04AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

That portion is obviously just my opinion, but to me it really stuck out during the 3/4 times I seen him live this year. Always slow on the line changes, lack of hustle and a sulking look on his face.

Either way though, the drama from the last few days would have been hieghtend if he was named captain this past summer.

I agree with you that the drama would have been intensified. But I'd be willing to bet that if he was the Captain he woulda kept his trap shut. But that's neither here nor there now.

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#192 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2010, 02:30PM
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Harlie wrote:

I agree with you that the drama would have been intensified. But I'd be willing to bet that if he was the Captain he woulda kept his trap shut. But that's neither here nor there now.

So Tambillini just said Souray asked for a trade a year ago.

~Too bad he wasn't named captain~

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He wants to go GO! Personally I would make him suffer by playing here and if he doesn't play send him to the minors and demolish his career!

I don't like Lowe he is a cocky ass but the bottom line is that he isn't playing. These guys are babies! get in the game or go home. You don't get to pick and choose where you go, they should be thankful just to play here in the NHL and collect millions of dollars. If you can't handle it get a real job like the poor stiffs that shell out hard earned dollars to watch your lame ass complain and suck balls on the ice.. PULL you head out of your assess, stop making excuses and play the dam game......For our newest oilers and ones to come this summer ....GO OILERS GO! Seguin or Hall...Fricken eh...who to choose!! I bet you they will play their asses off and won't complain where ever they go!

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